Sangoamadioha1:
In Christianity to blaspheme against the holy spirit is regarded as the greatest sin, which means Christians also have greater and lesser sin.
Sin is sin in both religions, no need looking for differences.

TenQ:

Thanks for the note about the Spirit of God.

This is a completely different class of violation of God's Commands or Instructions.

A person can blaspheme the Holy Spirit in a state of conscious rebellion against His person: when such a person who knows the Holy Spirit Consciously dare Him in an act of IRREVERENCE.

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit of God does not even have forgiveness.

Luk 12:10:
"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."


Sin is SIN in both Religions, however the Concept of the Weight and Consequence of Sin is completely different.


Here is an analogy of Weight of Sin
1. FORNICATION× infinity = STEALING ×infinity = MURDER×infinity =INFINITY!

Does the actual value of fornication, stealing or murder matter?
2. Does it matter if I excrete 1mg of feaces into your wine cup or I excrete 10 kg of feaces into the same cup: will you drink from it?

It is not about the Quantity of Sin, it is the fact that sin contaminates

Sangoamadioha1:


In your original post you said Muslims have different weights of sin while to Christians, there is no such thing as less or great sin. I am just pointing out that to both Christians and Muslims sin is going against God's laws and both religions have sin that can be forgiven and those that cannot be forgiven.

TenQ:
A Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?






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Sangoamadioha1:
In Christianity to blaspheme against the holy spirit is regarded as the greatest sin, which means Christians also have greater and lesser sin.
Sin is sin in both religions, no need looking for differences.

drlateef:


There’s no doubt about that. The prophet SAW admonished muslims to always do good deeds so as to erase their sins.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus didn't call it "sin against holy spirit" mind the translation.

He said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit {Matthew 12:31-32} sin is what people do out of ignorance or confused stare of mind but blasphemy is what people do deliberately.

For Instance some people said about Jesus "this young man is mad" {John 10:20} even his own mother and siblings thought the same {Mark 3:21} this is what Jesus meant by blasphemy against the Son of man, those saying these things has a good reason in their own hearts they think Jesus is not getting his senses right so even though they blasphemed such blasphemy wasn't due to evil intentions! Luke 6:45

But when someone sees the works Jesus is doing and remembered that God has promised all these things as evidence of the presence of the Christ but started saying evil things against what God promised then there's no forgiveness for such a person because he is intentionally condemning God's work!

TenQ:
Both Islam and Christianity agree about the definition of SIN:
Sin can generally be defined as a VIOLATION of God's instructions or command.

Other than this, there is a wide gap between the understanding of the GRAVITY of SIN by Christians and Muslims.

Islam:
A. Muslims usually see SIN as TRIVIAL such that it takes NOTHING from God to OVERLOOK the Sin of a Person.
B. For Muslims, there SIN is in graduations. There are small Sins and Big Sins of which the biggest is Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
Christians:
A. For the Christians, SIN is the most Grevious Offence a Human being can commit AND thus a Sinner CANNOT escape PUNISHMENT.
B. There is NO Big Sin or Small Sin before God as ALL Sin have an INFINITE consequence.

FOR COMPARISON PURPOSE:
1. In other words (for the Muslim Readers), the Christians are saying that SIN is the VIOLATION of the Kunfayakun (Power of Command or Decree: BE!) of God!
In other words, the Power of the Kunfayakun of God FAILS anytime Sin is Committed by a Person.

1. Sin is a CONTAMINANT
I will have to explain the Concept of SIN in Christianity as it is completely different from the Concept of SIN in Islam. Sin is not just what we have done that is not right but a CONTAMINANT!

The Bible describes our Bodies as Houses or Containers (Cup, Plate etc) for the Spirit of God.

1Cor 6:19:
"Or have ye not known that your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God, and ye are not your own?"

Violation of God's Rule for Mankind is called SIN. SIN Contaminate our Bodies just as Human Excrement contaminates a vessel for eating.

2. All Human Beings are Sinners by Nature!
2. In other words like a drug addict must have cravings for drugs so all human beings have cravings for Sin.
Just as a Piglet inherits non chalance attitude to filth from its parents, as humans we have inherited the nature to sin from Adam.

We were Born SELFISH at birth and this. Is the ROOT cause of ALL Sin.

It is this the REASON why you don't have to specially COACH any baby how to LIE or STEAL or FORNICATE. It comes naturally to us while DOING Gods will is extremely difficult for us.

Rom 3:23:
"for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

We cannot by any means share eternally with God his Paradise

3. Sin MUST be PUNISHED
Every Sinner is called Wicked in the Bible

Prov 11:21:
"Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered."

Isa 1:28:
"And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


4. The Magnitude of SIN is INFINITELY Large
The WEIGHT of Sin is INFINITELY LARGE:
1. Meaning that there is NOTHING like Small Sin or Big Sin. Sin is SIN.
2. The Judgement of SIN is INFINITELY LARGE. This is why the Judgement of Hell is eternal
3. The COST of Atonement for Sin is INFINITELY LARGE and the Sinner must thus be Punished!

5. The Punishment of Sin is INFINITELY Large
4. Because the weight of sin is INFINITELY Large, there is NOTHING we can do as humans to right the error of Sin Against God. What is done is done and it cannot be undone.

ONLY God has the Power to take our contaminated LIFE and wash it by HIMSELF with His OWN Detergent and Bleach and to His OWN Satisfaction
3. This requirement is fulfilled in the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:22:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission (forgiveness of sin)."


Finally, Jesus said:
John 3:36:
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


John 6:40:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life : and I will raise him up at the last day."



Questions:
1. Do you have ANY Questions for TenQ?
2. Do you have any correction of the Islamic stand of sin or explanations regarding it?
3. Do you think it is possible to UNDO a sin after it had been committed and How?


I invite you to the Messiah: He's the INFINITE cost of payment for the judgment against your Sin.

His Gift of Freedom is yours through FAITH in God's SOLUTION and turning around to live your Life to Honour Him

This above is what is called:
Accepting Jesus as Saviour AND
Accepting Jesus as Lord



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Raheeqilmaktoom:


This guys just lumps together all sorts of garbage and tries to leave around it, bringing together east and west to appear or sound logical. Still get an F9 by the way.

Raheeqilmaktoom:

1. A whole ton of rubbish trying to justify original sin. Humans are weak and crave that which is a sin does not mean humans committed a sin at birth. For all intents and purposes, a child is free of any wrongdoing. Even the Bible said so 'a child shouldn't be judged by the sins of the parents', where does original sin come from again?

Raheeqilmaktoom:

2. The way you talk about sin and the way you Christians live is completely, two galaxies away. You people are the most unobservant of any commandment even when they are your biggest assignments, it's what the Bible told you to do, observe the commandments, do you do that?

Raheeqilmaktoom:

4. Why would the cost of sin be huge that it has be atoned for with blood sacrifice? Didn't good know that humans are weak and will commit sins that he has to sacrifice his own child after discovering such to help atone humans sins? Does that mean any sin can be committed by anyone with no repercussions? If yes, then what's the essence of religion and all the instructions to be observed when your sins - the ones committed and the ones to be committed have already been given a free pass for? Meaning fornicate, kill, consume everything, do anything, don't observe the commandments, there are no repercussions?

If no, then why was a blood sacrifice needed in the first instance when it does not atone for the sins to be committed?

Raheeqilmaktoom:

6. This blood sacrifice that's the foundation of xtianity, does it cover the generations of old and future? By old I mean Adam, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Ezra, God's friends and children by the Bible's words?

TenQ:

Thanks for the "complement"!
LOL!!



Even though the use of the phrase "Original Sin" is a misnomer, you have a complete misunderstanding of it.

It doesn't mean that humans are born with sin.
It means humans are born with the nature to commit SIN.

Example:
1. A Pig is Born with a Nature not to mind filth: a Pig with justify rolling in the Mud.
2. A lion is born with the nature to eat meat. The fact that a baby lion is drinking milk does not mean that it will not switch to eating meat as it grows.

1. "If humans are born with an innate desire to sin, what then is the use of an atonement for something not of their doing?".



So also,
A human being is born with the NATURE to Commit Sin.
You don't need to coach a human being to do wrong BUT you have to work hard to make him do Right.



I agree with you because Christians are humans and even when they know the truth, they are tempted just as everyone else to do evil. A Christian has to struggle AGAINST sin and many times, we fail.

I agree with you


So many Questions
1. Why would the cost of sin be huge that it has be atoned for with blood sacrifice?
The cost of sin is infinitely huge because God is infinitely GREATER than us. Sin against the Almighty is akin to VIOLATING His INTEGRITY as God: because by His rule EVERYTHING MUST BEND to God's Will and Command. Sin is a refusal to bend to God's will and Command.

2. "In a certain verse, Jesus was reported to have told some companions if his that their sins were forgiven, and he implied that he can forgive sins, just like God in heaven - why then did he have to die to wipe the sins of humanity when he could have just forgiven them, as shown in the Bible, he was very reluctant regarding the whole crucifixion thing - he was foot dragging and even questioning if his Lord has abandoned him - so much for the lamb of the lamb led to the slaughter to save the world"


2. Why Atonement by LIFE (Evidenced by the Blood)?
God Himself set the Rule. The Person who sins against God MUST be CUT-OFF (die) from God.
Ezek 18:20:
"The soul that sins, it shall die. ..

God HIMSELF Allowed the Principle of Scapegoat to be used in atonement for Sin. In that way, God still Punish sin.

From the time of Moses, God asked that the children of Israel atone for the sin of their community by sacrificing goats after confessing the sin of Isreal upon their heads.
Lev 16:6-14:
"And Aaron shall offer his bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and make an atonement for himself, and for his house. And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself: And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the LORD, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the veil: And he shall put the incense on the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is on the testimony, that he die not: And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger on the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times."

The Principle:
The children of Israel commited sin
BUT
The judgement of Sin falls on the sacrificial animal


3. Didn't good know that humans are weak and would commit sin?
Of course, every Spirit Creature that God gives FreeWill has the capacity to commit sin AND God knew that Humans would commit sin, hence
BEFORE the Creation of the World God had Ordained Sacrifice for the Ones He LOVED of His Creations.
Rev 13:8:
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

And the Bible explain that it was because of LOVE that God made the Atonement available for humans.

John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world,[/s] [color=red]that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

4. Does that mean any sin can be committed by anyone with no repercussions?
No sir!
For a person who is not born again, his sin will be judged and he will still go to hell!
For a person who is born again, his sins will be judged but he wouldn't go to hell.

Even as people Redeemed by Christ, we shall be judged according to how we have lived here on earth

3. "What does be judged means?

If a born again commits sin and he is judged, does that skips him of hell? if so, what then is the use of observing the commandments and keeping to the religion?

If he isn't skipped of hell, what then is the whole essence of the blood sacrifice? What has it achieved?

Meaning the Christian whose Christianity is only in name though born again will go to hell even after professing his belief with died on the cross for humanity - what becomes the essence of the sacrifice? "



2Cor 5:10:
"For we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad."

In the Paradise of God, we are NOT equal o!

The earth is a school where we graduate to earn our prizes!

5. What's the essence of religion and all the instructions to be observed when your sins - the ones committed and the ones to be committed have already been given a free pass for?

Jesus said
1. Not ALL who say to me Lord, Lord (Christians) will enter the kingdom of God except those who do the will of God (Mt7:22)
2. A tree is known by its FRUIT: a person who is TRULY Born again will not remain in sin because he will feel dirty. Any Christian who justify sin is NOT Born Again (My 12:33)

4. "If all a person needs for salvation is to believe that Jesus dies on the cross for his sins, why then will Christians belockee out of heaven after such belief for sins that should have been wiped off them?"




3. In the end times, the church will be a mixture of sheep and goats, wheat and Tares: and they shall be separated. (My 13:30)

Any Christian that lives a life of sin is CERTAINLY NOT Born Again in Christ.

5. "Who's a born again Christian? A believer in Christ's sacrifice or an observer of religion?"




6. Why was a blood sacrifice needed in the first instance when it does not atone for the sins to be committed?
The Blood atones ONLY for those who trusts in God's SOLUTION for themselves.
Meaning:
1. Recieving Gods solution of Atonement by the Sacrifice of Christ. (Accepting Jesus as Saviour)
2. Accepting to Live under the Rule of God's Kingdom in Love and Purity (Accepting Jesus as Lord)


The Blood covers EVERY Generation including those who died before Jesus.

1. The bible speaks of Jesus at death going down to hell to save those who died even as far back as at the time of Noah
1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit : By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison (hell); Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

2. Even before the Physical death of Christ, the Lamb of God had been sacrificed so that Abraham can believe in God and it accounts to him as righteousness

Rev 13:8:
"And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Genesis 15:6
“And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord , and he accounted it to him for righteousness,”





Thanks for your input!
I hope I've answered some of your questions.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
As for your original sin, it's a solid and a very important pillar on which the whole crucifixion was built.

https://www.nairaland.com/6902133/what-does-wages-sin-death

TenQ:

1. The web address you quoted has NOTHING to do with Anything close to Original Sin.

2. I think I've explained exactly what it means

I said:
Even though I think the use of the phrase "Original Sin" is a misnomer, you have a complete misunderstanding of it.

It doesn't mean that humans are born with sin.
It means humans are born with the nature to commit SIN.

Example:
1. A Pig is Born with a Nature not to mind filth: a Pig with justify rolling in the Mud.
2. A lion is born with the nature to eat meat. The fact that a baby lion is drinking milk does not mean that it will not switch to eating meat as it grows.



So also,
A human being is born with the NATURE to Commit Sin.
You don't need to coach a human being to do wrong BUT you have to work hard to make him do Right.



What is termed as Original Sin is that: we ALL have inherited the NATURE to commit Sin from Adam and Eve. In that sense, we are all sinners by nature.


Is it difficult to understand that no one teaches his child how to tell lies or steal: we just seem to be natural at it.

Raheeqilmaktoom:
Why lock down the thread

Raheeqilmaktoom:



Learned Christian missionaries think otherwise.

"Original sin is the Christian doctrine which says that because of the sin of Adam and Eve, original innocence is lost and all subsequent human beings are born into a state of sinfulness. The doctrine states that human beings do not commit this sin but rather contract it from the Fall of Adam and Eve (CCC: 404). In other words, original sin is an inherited condition."

Source: https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-0-387-71802-6_480

"Original sin is a Christian doctrine describing the first human act of disobedience, as well as the ongoing fallen state of humanity bound in enduring, irremediable alienation from God. Christian tradition regards original sin as the general lack of holiness into which human beings are born, DISTINCT from any actual sins that a person may commit later."

Source: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Original_sin

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-biblical-evidence-for-original-sin


1. Besides, take this logically, having the innate desire to commit a sin, perform an action or undertake a task doesn't make you sinner till you have sinned, doesn't make you a performer of that action till you have really performed it, doesn't make you an actor till you have done that task, so the whole concept of being born into sin doesn't stand on 2 feet since the child didn't really sin except if this whole campaign is to whitewash what we've told since childhood - we've being born into sin because our ancestors committed a sin we know nothing of.

Why lock down the thread Territorial Io

Shenanigan3:


It still opens.

drlateef:

There’s no doubt about that. The prophet SAW admonished muslims to always do good deeds so as to erase their sins.

TenQ:
I asked a Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?


According to



My question is this:
We all know that Good deeds are easier to do if a person has plenty money and difficult (but not impossible) to do if one is poor.

Does this not give rich people more advantage to enter Paradise than poor people?

What is the position of Islam on this?

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TenQ:
I asked a Question for Muslims:
Do you honestly think that many good deeds can OVERRIDE sin in a person's life?


According to



My question is this:
We all know that Good deeds are easier to do if a person has plenty money and difficult (but not impossible) to do if one is poor.

Does this not give rich people more advantage to enter Paradise than poor people?

What is the position of Islam on this?

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AntiChristian:


The rich Muslim many advantages over the poor Muslim in that he can give Sadaqah, feed many indigents, fulfill others debt, perform pilgrimage etc.

The poor on the other hand has equal standing with the rich in invocations and supplications! The advantage the poor has will be on the day of accounts, when the rich will have to explain how he got each Kobo!

The rich and the poor have a similar advantage in intending good always!

I intend to go for Hajj if Allah enriches me.

drlateef:




Sadaqat is the main edge a rich person has over poor muslim. But the prophet told them to do more adkhar for their own benefit too. And every soul will account for what they had in this world, a poor person has little to account for. That’s why the prophet stated that paradise was filled with poor people when he was made to see the inhabitants. Whatever state we find ourselves is a test for us. If you are rich, you are tested with your wealth to see if you will earn reward or punishment from Allah. Same with poverty. But Allah loves the poor people more because they are usually more devoted and righteous.

TenQ:


Thanks Bro for your response:
It seems the rich has an undue advantage over the poor in Islam with respect to the favours Allah bestows on him then: why?

We know that in Reality:
The modest Muslim who is rich don't have to commit sins for his survival and existence.
However
The Modest Muslim that is poor may have to do some prostitution, stealing, cheating etc for his survival.

Unfortunately, while the rich can always use his money to override his evil deeds: making it extremely likely that a modest rich Muslim will enter paradise while a modest poor Muslim may not be able to go to paradise!

I am sure it would not be condoned that a pius and religious Muslim live his life by fraud, stealing, cheating while his supplications are excellent.



Even though you said that the prophet Mohammed said that there are more poor people in paradise: this may just be because the ratio of the poor to the rich is like 1 in 300.
Am I misunderstanding you?

drlateef:



But on the day of judgement the poor will be in paradise for over 500 years while the rich are still making accounts of how they spent their money.

TenQ:

A. Can you give me a Hadith that support this 500 years?
Are all rich people in this category?
I assume some rich people like Zakir Naik are also religious, pius and devoted to Allah

B. Don't you think 500 years is too long to report what a rich human did in 50-60 years maximum?



I know there is a Hadith
1. Where Mohammed will intercede for you Muslims
2. Where Muslims will pass over the bridge of Al-Sirat
3. Where Allah will appear to you Muslims in a shape different from the way you know him until you see his shin

I've not heard of 500 years headstart for Muslims in paradise

drlateef:



Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The poor Muslims will enter Paradise before the rich by half of a day, the length of which is like five hundred years.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2354


It is not a matter of being righteous. But it is a matter of accounting for what they were provided with, how they spent it, who they gave money, their intention for giving it etc. The poor have nothing to account for.