Emusan:


But God's Spirit is also called Jesus's Spirit.

Which spirit was Jesus telling the disciples that he would ask the father to send ?

Aemmyjah:

Where is it written that Holy Spirit is God?

Then Man's spirit is man na

You're looking for our trouble o!

Aemmyjah:
Which spirit was Jesus telling the disciples that he would ask the father to send ?

You agree that The Holy Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ, anyway you don't need to agree because that's boldly written in the scriptur.

I love this question!

In the message of encouragement Jesus was given to His disciples, Jesus said He will ask the Father and the Father will send the Advocate which is the Spirit of Truth.

In John 14 but from John 15 and 16, Jesus switch from the Father and directed that to Himself by saying "But I will send you the Advocate — the Spirit of truth..." vs 26 and "If I do go away, then I will send him to you." vs 7

Do you see the reason why the Holy Spirit was called the Spirit of the Father and Jesus Christ?

Emusan:


You agree that The Holy Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ, anyway you don't need to agree because that's boldly written in the scriptur.

I love this question!

In the message of encouragement Jesus was given to His disciples, Jesus said He will ask the Father and the Father will send the Advocate which is the Spirit of Truth.

In John 14 but from John 15 and 16, Jesus switch from the Father and directed that to Himself by saying "But I will send you the Advocate — the Spirit of truth..." vs 26 and "If I do go away, then I will send him to you." vs 7

Do you see the reason why the Holy Spirit was called the Spirit of the Father and Jesus Christ?

So Jesus will ask God to send himself to the Apostles?
Was it that same God that someone else wanted to buy?

Aemmyjah:

So Jesus will ask God to send himself to the Apostles? Was it that same God that someone else wanted to buy?

If the spirit of God is God himself that means Jesus will tell/order his father to send himself (the father) to Jesus' disciples!

MaxInDHouse:


If the spirit of God is God himself that means Jesus will tell/order his father to send himself (the father) to Jesus' disciples!

Don't mind him
Why must Jesus ask?
Since they are equal, Jesus could send his own spirit

Aemmyjah:

Don't mind him
Why must Jesus ask?
Since they are equal, Jesus could send his own spirit

Àbí o, since God and Jesus share the same spirit why couldn't Jesus just send his own spirit instead of asking the father?

They are just envious of God's people being preachers and teachers of God's word so they also want to teach but the incoherency really makes me laugh!

What is hard in Jesus been a MESSENGER of God asking his father to send that active force which He uses in accomplishing His purpose to imperfect humans who are willing to work with God in gathering obedient ones globally?

Aemmyjah:
So Jesus will ask God to send himself to the Apostles?

No! because I never remember saying something like this, can you remind me?

Was it that same God that someone else wanted to buy?

You're changing mouth, stay on the pov.

Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ.

Was that proven using the scripture?

Aemmyjah:


Is it the same spirit they share?

If there are three as you say
You said God
You said God's Spirit
You said Jesus

What about Jesus spirit??

What about Jesus spirit ?


Tell us your opinion

Emusan:


No! because I never remember saying something like this, can you remind me?



You're changing mouth, stay on the pov.

Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ.

Was that proven using the scripture?

Which Jesus did Jesus had before the holy Spirit descended upon him as a dove?
Why did he ask his father to send the holy Spirit to the disciples?

Aemmyjah:
Which Jesus did Jesus had before the holy Spirit descended upon him as a dove?

What are you saying here?

Why did he ask his father to send the holy Spirit to the disciples?

I provided where Jesus said He Himself will send the Holy spirit.

Did you miss that part?

Emusan:


What are you saying here?



I provided where Jesus said He Himself will send the Holy spirit.

Did you miss that part?

If Jesus had it, why will he ask the Father yo semd to the disciples

Quite an interesting but appropriate question

Aemmyjah:



If Jesus had it, why will he ask the Father yo semd to the disciples

FxMasterz:


Exodus 24:10
"There they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there seemed to be a surface of brilliant blue lapis lazuli, as clear as the sky itself."

Exodus 33:20 -23
""But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen."

Mathew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."

All the scriptures you're quoting are talking about physical man seeing a spiritual God which is impossible. The naked eyes cannot see God, even though Moses was allowed to see God's back part. The spiritual man would see God. When we put off our earthly tabernacle, we shall see God. You can't see God in your flesh. Adam and Eve saw God regularly in Eden until they sinned.

One of the insincerity of men is not being objective in the interpretation of the Bible. None of the scriptures here or elsewhere contradict the claim of Jesus that no one had seen the Father. However, the Father showed Himself to people, making them to 'sleep ' or putting them in a sort of trance. This happened in the case of Abraham and in Genesis 15, during the making of covenant. Abraham knew something happened. He was conscious but not with his naked eyes. The same in Exodus 24. The same at the month of transfiguration. Think of it, of what significance is the transfiguration to the disciples? They couldn't stand the glory of Jesus. If Jesus is an ordinary man or mere Angel, why glory, which glory was He asking the Father to give Him af of right and possession?
Isaiah 6 clearly points to Jesus as explained by John in 12. John saw His glory and spoke about Him. Only in Isiah 6 is Seraph mentioned as seen somebody on the Throne. It mentioned about Jesus. In Revelation, there are no two Thrones guided by Cherubim and Seraphim in the Bible, towards the end. Only Jesus was seen there.

In all Father, Jesus (Man or Word) reason His name is Word not clearly known. Spirit represented severally by dove, lightning, seven headed candle stick, olive tree or leaves, eyes. These are symbols. All are beings. Everyone entity in heaven is a spirit including the Father. Devil is a spirit, angels are spirits, demons are spirits,. If there is a spirit called Holy Spirit, It can only be a being like others. If a being, It can only be The Father or The Son or a separate entity or part of a class. The idea that other spirits are beings but only Holly Spirit is a force is unimaginable.


My submission, trying to defend the identity of The Son or The Holy Spirit, the part of Godhead that interact with humans directly or by influence is not worth it. I am safe with the doctrine of Trinity. Deut. 29:29. Anyway, many people including in Bible people write all manners or think about God. Job and his friends thought they knew God, all of them were wrong. Solomon claimed God said,' He was going to dwell in darkness'; elsewhere, He said to dwell in unapproachable light . In Yoruba land, as many others we eulogize God with falsified words like He has crown on His head; . In any vision, no one ever saw the Father with any crowns. .

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

MightySparrow:

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

How do you think Muslims think for God?

How do you think Muslims think for their God that's not in their scripture?

You and JW use the same scripture yet have different belief in core creed of trinity and the identity of Jesus and the holy spirit, doesn't that make trinity and the mainstream identity of Jesus and the holy spirit dubious?

MightySparrow:



One of the insincerity of men is not being objective in the interpretation of the Bible. None of the scriptures here or elsewhere contradict the claim of Jesus that no one had seen the Father. However, the Father showed Himself to people, making them to 'sleep ' or putting them in a sort of trance. This happened in the case of Abraham and in Genesis 15, during the making of covenant. Abraham knew something happened. He was conscious but not with his naked eyes. The same in Exodus 24. The same at the month of transfiguration. Think of it, of what significance is the transfiguration to the disciples? They couldn't stand the glory of Jesus. If Jesus is an ordinary man or mere Angel, why glory, which glory was He asking the Father to give Him af of right and possession?
Isaiah 6 clearly points to Jesus as explained by John in 12. John saw His glory and spoke about Him. Only in Isiah 6 is Seraph mentioned as seen somebody on the Throne. It mentioned about Jesus. In Revelation, there are no two Thrones guided by Cherubim and Seraphim in the Bible, towards the end. Only Jesus was seen there.

In all Father, Jesus (Man or Word) reason His name is Word not clearly known. Spirit represented severally by dove, lightning, seven headed candle stick, olive tree or leaves, eyes. These are symbols. All are beings. Everyone entity in heaven is a spirit including the Father. Devil is a spirit, angels are spirits, demons are spirits,. If there is a spirit called Holy Spirit, It can only be a being like others. If a being, It can only be The Father or The Son or a separate entity or part of a class. The idea that other spirits are beings but only Holly Spirit is a force is unimaginable.


My submission, trying to defend the identity of The Son or The Holy Spirit, the part of Godhead that interact with humans directly or by influence is not worth it. I am safe with the doctrine of Trinity. Deut. 29:29. Anyway, many people including in Bible people write all manners or think about God. Job and his friends thought they knew God, all of them were wrong. Solomon claimed God said,' He was going to dwell in darkness'; elsewhere, He said to dwell in unapproachable light . In Yoruba land, as many others we eulogize God with falsified words like He has crown on His head; . In any vision, no one ever saw the Father with any crowns. .

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

You didn't address his concern.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible.

No one has seen the Father because we are in the flesh. God said to Moses 'You can't see my face because anyone who sees my face would die, but while I pass by, I'll allow you see my back. After I have covered you with my hand while passing by, I'll remove it and you'll see my back." It means God has a face and He has a back. God is not formless. He is only physically invisible. We'll see God when we put on our celestial bodies. We must not think we won't see God in heaven just because we can't see Him on earth. If God created man in His image, how can we say God has no visible form?

The only invisible person in the Trinity is the Holy Ghost. Stephen saw the heavens opened "and the son of man standing at the right hand of God." This tells you that God and the Lord Jesus' thrones in heaven are visible as noted by the two thrones in Revelation.

May God give you understanding.

Ohyoudidnt:

Quite an interesting but appropriate question

The Holy Spirit was given to Jesus by his father so it's not Jesus' property that's why he begged his father to give his disciples the same active force in other for the (as imperfect humans) to meet up with the responsibility of disciple making which they can't do without the spirit of God!

FxMasterz:


You didn't address his concern.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible.

No one has seen the Father because we are in the flesh. God said to Moses 'You can't see my face because anyone who sees my face would die, but while I pass by, I'll allow you see my back. After I have covered you with my hand while passing by, I'll remove it and you'll see my back." It means God has a face and He has a back. God is not formless. He is only physically invisible. We'll see God when we put on our celestial bodies. We must not think we won't see God in heaven just because we can't see Him on earth. If God created man in His image, how can we say God has no visible form?

The only invisible person in the Trinity is the Holy Ghost. Stephen saw the heavens opened "and the son of man standing at the right hand of God." This tells you that God and the Lord Jesus' thrones in heaven are visible as noted by the two thrones in Revelation.

May God give you understanding.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible


That's exactly what I first mentioned. Reading with objective. How can a being without shape have a face or back parts. Jesus said no one has seen His shape, not that He is shapeless like Amoeba.

John.5.37 - And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus was telling the people around him that they had not seen or heard His voice. He was not saying no one else. I can't see the OP's argument here.


Later people heard His voice na!
John.12.28 - Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.


What should be a concern is the claim that no this:

Luke.10.22 - All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


No one knows the Father nor the Son but by revelation.

Paul we all take as authority as Apostle to the gentiles said that that he might know him


Is it any GB or one Mohammed that knows Him?

Aemmyjah:

LIf Jesus had it, why will he ask the Father yo semd to the disciples

But you see where Jesus said he will be the one to send Him also.

Or are you saying Jesus is lying?

Ohyoudidnt:
Quite an interesting but appropriate question

The person asking that question claimed to be a student of the Bible but hear what Jesus said here.

"But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you." - John 16:7

Was Jesus lying here? Definitely No! That is the reason why Holy Spirit was also called the Spirit of Christ.

Emusan:


But you see where Jesus said he will be the one to send Him also.

Or are you saying Jesus is lying?

The imperfect disciples became filled with God shey?

A mother can assure his child that she will ask the Father for money and she says she will give him. Where does the money come from?

MaxInDHouse:


If the spirit of God is God himself that means Jesus will tell/order his father to send himself (the father) to Jesus' disciples!

If God is Almighty why not?

Jesus was incarnated.
In fact, the picture painted by Jesus of the Spirit is like another reincarnation.
Jesus unlimited!


John.14.17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John.14.18 - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.



They know the Holy Spirit as what? Coming to them how till the end of the age.

MightySparrow:


He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible


That's exactly what I first mentioned. Reading with objective. How can a being without shape have a face or back parts. Jesus said no one has seen His shape, not that He is shapeless like Amoeba.

John.5.37 - And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus was telling the people around him that they had not seen or heard His voice. He was not saying no one else. I can't see the OP's argument here.


Later people heard His voice na!
John.12.28 - Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.


What should be a concern is the claim that no this:

Luke.10.22 - All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


No one knows the Father nor the Son but by revelation.

Paul we all take as authority as Apostle to the gentiles said that that he might know him


Is it any GB or one Mohammed that knows Him?

Yeah. That's exactly my position.

Regarding Paul's knowledge of God, Paul knows that God is infinite. Whatever you know of God is still infinitesimally small compared to what you could potentially know of Him.

So, no one knows God enough. We must keep learning God for all eternity.

Aemmyjah:
The imperfect disciples became filled with God shey?

Yes!

Or you don't know God can fill people?

A mother can assure his child that she will ask the Father for money and she says she will give him. Where does the money come from?

You have started changing mouth.

Did Jesus say He will send the Holy Spirit? Yes!

Was the Bible called God's Spirit the Spirit of Christ? Yes!

Your analogy is faulty because as human the woman might have her own money or both husband and wife run a joint account or as most couple believes that whatever the husband/wife has is theirs too.

Are you saying the scriptures is wrong?

MightySparrow:





If God is Almighty why not?

Jesus was incarnated.
In fact, the picture painted by Jesus of the Spirit is like another reincarnation.
Jesus unlimited!


John.14.17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John.14.18 - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.



They know the Holy Spirit as what? Coming to them how till the end of the age.

You know their god is limitless and not almighty so they place him in the same level as human.

Ordinary dictionary meaning of ALMIGHTY would have helped them but they just don't want to develop themselves.

AbuTwins:
God is Omniscient!

For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 1 John 3:20
Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit. Psalm 147:5
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary; His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40:28

Laying out the cards!
There are two Bible verses that proves the Holy Spirit is NOT Omniscient (i.e. does not know all things hence not God)!

1. Matthew 24:36 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
2. Mark 13:32 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

From the above verses, we see that Jesus despite being 100% God + 100% man (as some Christians claim) is not Omniscient!
We also see most importantly that ONLY the father knows all things. ONLY the father is omniscient!

So how is the Holy Spirit God?

Apostle Paul tried to correct the above after Jesus with:
"For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11 (NIV)

But this falls short as Jesus already made the claim that NO ONE KNOWS THE HOUR BUT THE FATHER!

So Apostle Paul was wrong that the Spirit knows the thoughts of God and this is a contradiction to what Jesus said!

So which Bible verse(s) proves without ambiguity that the Spirit is God Omniscient?

fxmasterz
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Regarding Jesus, first go and learn about christology then we can discuss earthly Jesus who is actually God in flesh and NOT physically God.
Jesus has a human soul and is fully human. He wasn't pretending to be human.

However Jesus disciples confirmed Jesus Christ knew all things despite being human.

John 29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

As for the holy spirit, Jesus never said the spirit of God doesn't know the hour. Did he?
The spirit of God is inseparable from God just like his soul. The spirit of God is the manifestation God's process, thoughts and actions.

That's why David said in psalm 139.7

Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

This shows the holy spirit is omnipresent just as God, so why would the spirit not be omniscient?

Emusan:


You know their god is limitless and not almighty so they place him in the same level as human.

Ordinary dictionary meaning of ALMIGHTY would have helped them but they just don't want to develop themselves.

They are not reasoning with the writers but give colouration of their opinions.

SIRTee15:


Regarding Jesus, first go and learn about christology then we can discuss earthly Jesus who is actually God in flesh and NOT physically God.
Jesus has a human soul and is fully human. He wasn't pretending to be human.

Where is Christology in the Bible? Show me where to read it? I agree he has a human soul and body! He is human not in any way divine/God!

However Jesus disciples confirmed Jesus Christ knew all things despite being human.

John 29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

Yes, Jesus knew some things but not of his own power! Moses cross the red sea only with inspiration from Allah!
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30


Jesus is not Omniscient!
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:12

As for the holy spirit, Jesus never said the spirit of God doesn't know the hour. Did he?
The spirit of God is inseparable from God just like his soul. The spirit of God is the manifestation God's process, thoughts and actions.

That's why David said in psalm 139.7

Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

This shows the holy spirit is omnipresent just as God, so why would the spirit not be omniscient?

Where are these theories derived from in the Bible?
The father, the son and Spirit is coequal, coeternal with one another yet distinct in personalities?
Jesus didn't mention the Spirit but he did mention ONLY the father and that's enough to exclude the spirit!

Jesus prayed to the Father many times in the Bible!
Did he ever pray to the spirit on its own?
He said he would send the Spirit... which means the spirit is like a messenger and you are equating the messenger to the sender of the message!

I think I should start a thread on this Nicene creed!

AbuTwins:
Where is Christology in the Bible? Show me where to read it? I agree he has a human soul and body! He is human not in any way divine/God!

Colossians 2
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness.

Philipians 2
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

John 1
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


Do U know more verses on christology. If U demand more, then U will have to explain to me what U understand by the term christology.

AbuTwins:


Yes, Jesus knew some things but not of his own power! Moses cross the red sea only with inspiration from Allah!
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 5:30

Blind Alfa, read the verse well. Jesus disciples said HE KNEW ALL THINGS, not some things.

AbuTwins:

Jesus is not Omniscient!
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:12

once again read about christology and we will discuss.

In summary this is your answer...

Daniel 7
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Now tell me who is called the son of man in the new testament?

AbuTwins:

Where are these theories derived from in the Bible?
The father, the son and Spirit is coequal, coeternal with one another yet distinct in personalities?
Jesus didn't mention the Spirit but he did mention ONLY the father and that's enough to exclude the spirit!

Based on psalm 139.7 I quote, Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
Do U agree the holy spirit is omnipresent? Let's s tart from there.

AbuTwins:

Jesus prayed to the Father many times in the Bible!
Did he ever pray to the spirit on its own?
He said he would send the Spirit... which means the spirit is like a messenger and you are equating the messenger to the sender of the message!

Have U heard of spirit of Jesus?

1 Peter 1
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.

This verse shows prophets in the old testament had the spirit of Christ in them. The old testament called the spirit in the prophets spirit of God.
Now what does that tell U?

AbuTwins:

I think I should start a thread on this Nicene creed!

Pls do, let's put an end to this trinity ignorance once and for all.
The first thing that will shock u with Nicene creed is different from the nonsense trinity definition you Muslims quote up and down.

MaxInDHouse:


Please what exactly are you trying to say?

Paul's word or what Churchgoers told you?

Well the Holy Spirit is not a person from my own understanding it's God's active force used in accomplishing whatever God purposed.
You have a physical body with different parts used for various purposes right? That's what the Holy Spirit is not a separate person.

So when dealing with Churchgoers try to keep me out of your arguments with them we and them aren't on the same page regarding what we preach, teach and practice!

Of course sir the OP is not for JWs. You don't believe in the Trinity! Nor that the father, son and Spirit are coequal, coeternal with distinct personalities!

Na those Christians wey believe such i dey ask!

AbuTwins:

Of course sir the OP is not for JWs. You don't believe in the Trinity! Nor that the father, son and Spirit are coequal, coeternal with distinct personalities! Na those Christians wey believe such i dey ask!

Have found the word TRINITY in the Bible or is there anywhere the Bible said Father, Son and Spirit are coequal?
Well i was a Muslim too so i know why you're happy arguing with deluded religionists who are claiming Christians when what they believe is not found written in God's word!

AbuTwins:

So which Bible verse(s) proves without ambiguity that the Spirit is God Omniscient?

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Please when next you want to argue with your friends don't include me i believe whatever is found written in the Bible not dogmas!