ifeness:

YAHWEH of the bible is not god simple! He is Mr Genocide,he even supports slavery

Alabiojoski: I can't imagine, u don't believe the bible yet you are taking its text to be true. Sad

Lord Babs: o.k. Who is a christian?

CrazyMan:
Since you've insisted on derailing this thread with your questions, I've also got some for you.
1. Did you once believe in God?  If yes, ask: Why did you stop?

CrazyMan:
2. What do you base your disbelief in God on?

CrazyMan:
3. What would make you feel open to the existence of God?

CrazyMan:
Honest answers please...this is to all the Atheist in the house.

Alabiojoski: I can't imagine, u don't believe the bible yet you are taking its text to be true. Sad

Red-Light:
well based on the topic.. am not fully an atheist but am not pro-anyreligion

and i think abortion is not killing as some people want us to believe
the foetus doesn't have life and doesn't have a soul yet ... all measure we take everyday to prevent pregnancy are also abortions in disguise ...using comdoms or masturbating, wasting spermm that could lead to pregnancy... their is no much difference from this sperms and the foetus.. both dont have life.. the only difference is that the sperm has developed in woman to foetus while comdoms or sprayed away sperm has being denied the opportunity to develop into foetus which could lead to babies

Area_boy:

I don't see your point here. He is merely telling you guys how silly it is to believe in daddy big boss the dictator.

That knows everything about us and yet does absolutely nothing, maiming and killing people in the old testament without mercy, Loving the "sweet" smell of burning animals, demanding absolute control for everything, punishing 4th and 5th generations for what they had no idea about, killing his own son (who is himself by the way) to redeem us from original sin which he masterfully set in place himself in the first place, created hell to send the same people he created for not believing in his fairy tale, will allow his own creation to burn and burn for all eternity, but he loves you

I dont know about you, but i'm sure i wont call such "being" my god

Area_boy:
yes i did, was born into it and had no choice neither did i know any better. I learnt more about religion and realised it was man made. Man created god in his image and likeness and not the other way around.

Area_boy: His inability to actually do anything: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Epicurus

Area_boy: I am open to one as soon as I see evidence of him/her/it (any form of ACTUAL physical manifestation will do)

Billyonaire: Abortion is not murder or manslaughter. Life is not taken during abortion, cos foetus remains an organ and not an independent living soul. Foetus has no soul even at 9 months. Foetus becomes living being, habits soul at first breath of air at birth.

ACM10:
With due respect, I disagree with the bolded. It's cool to be pro-choice, but don't denigrate the status of embryos or unborn kids. Foetus is a full-fledged life! Life starts at fertilization. Spe.rm/se.men has haploid chromosome(23X), and ova/egg has haploid chromosome(23X or 23Y). An embryo/foetus has diploid chromosome(46XY or 46XX). Me and you have haploid chromosme. There is no difference between you and foetus, genetically; except variation. The difference is on the extent of development of body's anatomy and physiology. Therefore, only an embryo/foetus fits the definition of life. Mastur.bation and ej.aculation does not fit in the definition of abortion. Though Catholic church is against mas.turbation on the ground that it is a wastage of seed of life. But they have since realised the folly of their position cos millions of spermatozoa dies naturally when the are stored in the tes.tis. On the other hand, women lose hundreds of egg in their lifetime. Nowadays, Catholic church rarely take that stu.pid stance. Pls articulate your stance next time and don't misinform

Logicboy03: Abortion should be legal but must come with counselling so that the woman understands her full options.


The irony from christians is that they will say that women should not abort babies but then when the woman has the child, these christians will not support the woman or the child but pay tithes or oferrings to the church.


Surviving abortion, only to die by starvation. Christian logic is wonderful

Standing5: Atheist, to me, have no moral standard. The sense of right and wrong is just to flexible.

CrazyMan:
Since you've insisted on derailing this thread with your questions, I've also got some for you.

1. Did you once believe in God?  If yes, ask: Why did you stop?

CrazyMan:
2. What do you base your disbelief in God on?

CrazyMan:
3. What would make you feel open to the existence of God?

Lord Babs: Ban religion...abortion becomes sensible and legal...less bæstards...more food for the poor...a quantum leap in economy.

ACM10:
Abortion is a murder but not manslaughter. Just that abortion is a necessary murder. Sometimes killing is necessary. But that does not take out the fact that life is extinguished.
I'm lost at the definition of soul. I don't believe in it. You will find my comment below helpful.

thelastPope: 100 or 50 years ago, men and women grew to manly ages before they ever came together as man and wife. They had issues with their marriages but found ways to live together and make things work. They didn't have abortions because they didn't need to in the first place. Fast forward to 2012 and divorce rate is now over 70 percent in the first 5 years of marriage in many societies. Hat has changed? What is different now. Is it marriage? No its humans that have changed.

Abortion is man's failure to do the right thing and his attempt to escape responsibility. He is looking for the easy way out. He wants to live the way he likes but not take responsibility for his actions. This is what is destroying the world and will eventually sink it. America is 16 trillion dollars in debt and still handing out food stamps and telling themselves they will balance the books.

It is all a big lie and time will make everything bare and punish our actions

CrazyMan:
No it doesn't.


In a case of raape...I would recommend that the girl be catered for...she has just passed through a very painful and humiliating experience. Why batter her the more by suggesting she aborts a pregnancy?

For God's sake, she has suffered enough...her parents should accept the child and show her unfathomable love and care.

Pls be serious. Care for the child of an irresponsible idiot. I know u will counter me with teaching the child good morals, what about the mother and the pain of being raped? The presence of that child will always give her pains, so abortion is a big yes for rape related issues

From experience, war doesn't just start over night.

So the idea of suddenly is totally out of the question.

Burch:

What he means by sudden is also known as unexpected pregnancy which can happen to anyone.

Billyonaire: If you do not understand what soul is, and have not even experienced yourself as soul

you will really know nothing about when Soul enters new babies at birth.

Work on your knowledge of soul and abortion will clearly be understood.

There is no life without soul, and there is no soul before natural birth.

Oxygen activates life and infuses soul into human spirit at birth

Abortion is not murder, fullstop!

inurmind: Actually I think it should be legalised. There's no point keeping what u can't handle.

I watch a lot of documentaries and I have noticed that most serial killers, serial r.a.p.i.s.t.s, multiple criminal offenders and so on, come from homes where they had no fathers and their mothers were not just ready.

So u see, we would save the world and the criminals themselves so much trouble if they never came into it.

Its not just about bringing someone into this world, its also about taking care of their psychological as well as material needs.

mumumugu:

na she put d pikin 4 ha belle ? No be d man help am? She shud consult d man b4 makin any conclusion on abortion?

Pesonaly,am against it.GOLDEN RULE

ACM10:
Now, let us define soul,

1. The part of a person that some people believe is spirit and that continues to exist in some form after their body has died.
2. The part of a person or thing that expresses the basic qualities that makes what it is.
The first definition captures your contextual meaning of soul. The second definition is about the "internal conviction in a personality".
There is no evidence that something related to a person continues to live long after the individual is gone. That is just a superstition.

Pls educate me on that. I've witnessed over a hundred childbirths. But I've not witnessed soul enterin a body.

Really?
I wonder why you are a pro-choice while you speak like religious jingoists. Pls can you provide any evidence of existence of SOUL?
Who told you that foetus do not use oxygen in the womb. For your information, foetus derives its oxygen from the maternal blood through the placenta. This is transported to the foetal organ to aid in metabolism through the umbilical vessels. You are exposing your poorly thought-out logic by using oxygen as a benchmark for life and soul. The newly born child has to take a deep breath to expand the lungs and derives its oxygen independently. No more relying on mom's oxygen supply. Foetus is an obligate parasite. It elaborates some hormones that affect its mother's physiology in the process increase the oxygen content made available for its use through the placenta.
We may agree to disagree on this one.

Billyonaire: ACM10, You have a thorough knowledge of Biology, I do too and I believe that many Nairalanders have these knowledge of elementary Biology, but basic biology will have little to do with knowledge of Soul, Existence of Soul, Craddle of Soul in living forms and entrance of soul to human vessels. Before I proceed, I need to know if you will be humble and teachable enough, cos to be taught, one has to be sincere and open minded. The concept of soul, entrance of soul to 'things' to become living are not up for debate, its either you know or you dont. I will love to know if to proceed.

*Kails*:
[size=18pt]To those who are debating whether or not the soul exists..[/size]
please don't kid yourselves. The soul is very real.

Right now I am typing to you and wording each one inside of my head before and as I type them. I can have conversations with myself and premeditate my actions before doing them/plan.

If someone, some accident, or disease were to kill me..I would no longer have this ability.

People will say "well Kails, your body is made up of organs and muscle, you see THAT is what keeps you alive and allows you to do all of the above"...

WELL to whom it may concern, I could have part of my brain removed and still think. I could have a heart transplant, lung removed, 90% of my entire face could be gone.... I could literally be a torso with just my head attached and so on, so on....but unless that inner breath in me(soul) is still within my body...I am still here. Once THAT is gone...then I am no more.

Think of it as a car with no battery. I could have my timing belts, my gas pedal, my front/tail lights, could have my brake fluid reservoir, my radiator, my alternator etc...but if I don't have my BATTERY to put it all in motion...I would be of no use. I wouldn't be able to serve my purpose.