Mr_Anony:
[size=18pt]Supernatural is not something that contradicts nature rather it is something that transcends nature i.e. You cannot explain the supernatural using Natural laws.
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When I say God is supernatural, what I mean is that He is not subject to natural laws rather He transcends them. God is Spirit.

The nature of God is such that you cannot define God in terms of space, time and matter. That is what is meant by God is Supernatural.

Does this clarify things for you?

Lmao....see remix definition! This guy is truly shameless with his apologetics!


But wait, if supernatural means transcending nature, wouldnt that still contradict nature? How does one transcend nature without contradicting it?

Kay 17:

Expressed as a contravention of Nature

Lol, here we go again with more wordplay.....I have given you an explanation of what it means when it is said that God is supernatural. Does the explanation I gave satisfy you? If yes we move on. If no, why not?

Logicboy03:


Lmao....see remix definition! This guy is truly shameless with his apologetics!


But wait, if supernatural means transcending nature, wouldnt that still contradict nature? How does one transcend nature without contradicting it?

Go look up the meaning of the words "transcend" and "contradict" in a dictionary

Mr_Anony:
Go look up the meaning of the words "transcend" and "contradict" in a dictionary

Even more Anonyism



Nice try to shift the argument- no one is saying that they mean the same thing (Transcend and contradict)


The point is that; in order to transcend nature, one would have to contradict nature.


Simple logic that Anony can not understand

mazaje:

Another meaningless talk apologist use to confused themselves and delude others into believing their myths and nonsense talk. . .

Firstly, the bible describes its god as the beginning and the end, that denotes time. . .

Nope. it denotes greatness and supremacy over time and everything else.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Rev 22:13

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev 1:8

"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

To see more of God transcending time, see 2Peter 3:8, Psalm 90:4, Isaiah 46:10, Deuteronomy 33:27 etc etc. God is Eternal.

It says god created man in his own image, and that god lives in a place called heaven. . .

This is inaccurate because the bible starts by telling us that in the beginning God created heaven and earth. Where was God at that time?

The bible tells us also that God is everywhere:

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me.
If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,” Even the night shall be light about me;
Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You, But the night shines as the day; The darkness and the light are both alike to You.
Psalm 139:7-12.

God by nature of His being omnipresent, transcends space.

To see more about God transcending space, see 1Kings 8:27, Acts 17:24, Jeremiah 23:24 etc etc

Actually the bible even claimed that people once tried to build a tower up high so that they could reach where god was in his abode before he got scared and confused their tongue which resulted to people speaking different languages. . .That denotes matter and space since people could reach his abode. . .

Here is the passage you were referring to:

Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.
Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar.
And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
Genesis11:1-8

All you have to do now is show us where in the passage above,
1. The intention of the people was to reach God's abode
2. God became scared that people will reach His abode

There is no where in the bible where it says that god lives outside of time and space. . .

I have just shown you from scripture that God transcends space and time. God is eternal.

Logicboy03:


Even more Anonyism



Nice try to shift the argument- no one is saying that they mean the same thing (Transcend and contradict)


The point is that; in order to transcend nature, one would have to contradict nature.


Simple logic that Anony can not understand

That is not true. To transcend something simply means to be greater than it. You don't have to contradict something to be greater than it. Africa transcends Nigeria but it doesn't necessarily contradict Nigeria.

I can give you another example: "Logicboy's knowledge of chemistry, transcends the secondary school knowledge of chemistry". This is not the same as "Logicboy's chemistry contradicts secondary school chemistry"


There is a difference between "to contradict" and "to surpass"

Mr_Anony:
Nope. it denotes greatness and supremacy over time and everything else.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Rev 22:13

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev 1:8

"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

To see more of God transcending time, see 2Peter 3:8, Psalm 90:4, Isaiah 46:10, Deuteronomy 33:27 etc etc. God is Eternal.




This is inaccurate because the bible starts by telling us that in the beginning God created heaven and earth. Where was God at that time?

The bible tells us also that God is everywhere:

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me.
If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall on me,” Even the night shall be light about me;
Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You, But the night shines as the day; The darkness and the light are both alike to You.
Psalm 139:7-12.

God by nature of His being omnipresent, transcends space.

To see more about God transcending space, see 1Kings 8:27, Acts 17:24, Jeremiah 23:24 etc etc




Here is the passage you were referring to:

Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.
Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar.
And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
Genesis11:1-8

All you have to do now is show us where in the passage above,
1. The intention of the people was to reach God's abode
2. God became scared that people will reach His abode



I have just shown you from scripture that God transcends space and time. God is eternal.

So god is omnipresent?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, here we go again with more wordplay.....I have given you an explanation of what it means when it is said that God is supernatural. Does the explanation I gave satisfy you? If yes we move on. If no, why not?

What do you sEe the natural as? Because if there is a causal connection btw them, God would still count as natural.

Kay 17:

What do you sEe the natural as? Because if there is a causal connection btw them, God would still count as natural.

Oh I see, I define a natural entity as anything that can be comprehensively defined within the bounds of space, time and materiality.

I won't define based on causal relationships because I hold that there exists causal connections between the supernatural and the natural.

For me the natural and the supernatural correspond directly to the physical and the spiritual.

Mr_Anony:
That is not true. To transcend something simply means to be greater than it. You don't have to contradict something to be greater than it. Africa transcends Nigeria but it doesn't necessarily contradict Nigeria.

I can give you another example: "Logicboy's knowledge of chemistry, transcends the secondary school knowledge of chemistry". This is not the same as "Logicboy's chemistry contradicts secondary school chemistry"


There is a difference between "to contradict" and "to surpass"

Yawn.

Everyone knows that both words are different. How do you surpass nature without contradicting it?

How do you transcend nature without contradicting it? Hmmm?


Transcending a a ceertain knowledge is one thing.....trannscending nature is another

Logicboy03:



Yawn.

Everyone knows that both words are different. How do you surpass nature without contradicting it?

How do you transcend nature without contradicting it? Hmmm?


Transcending a a ceertain knowledge is one thing.....trannscending nature is another

Una sabi tok long story...

Ask him to define miracles. The resurrection of Jesus? A virgin giving birth? Do these contradict or transcend nature?

musKeeto:
Una sabi tok long story...

Ask him to define miracles. The resurrection of Jesus? A virgin giving birth? Do these contradict or transcend nature?

lolz.

That is the point. To transcend nature, you must contradict it.


-A being beyond time? Contradiction because a being is defined by time and space.

-A human beyond death with a second life (ressurection). Contradiction because a dead person cant be alive

Logicboy03:

lolz.

That is the point. To transcend nature, you must contradict it.


-A being beyond time? Contradiction because a being is defined by time and space.

-A human beyond death with a second life (ressurection). Contradiction because a dead person cant be alive

I think you are confusing natural occurrence with agency.

There is a difference between how something acts naturally and how an agent can make it to act

For instance steel does not naturally float on water but man can and has made steel ships that do.

A dead man cannot naturally rise again but God can and has raised men from the dead.

This is not a contradiction to nature, it's just that the one who knows all things can easily manipulate nature. After all, He created it.

I am sure you if tomorrow some scientist found a way of raising people from the dead, you most probably won't see it as a contradiction of nature so why the double standard?

Mr_Anony:
I think you are confusing natural occurrence with agency.

There is a difference between how something acts naturally and how an agent can make it to act

For instance steel does not naturally float on water but man can and has made steel ships that do.

A dead man cannot naturally rise again but God can and has raised men from the dead.

This is not a contradiction to nature, it's just that the one who knows all things can easily manipulate nature. After all, He created it.

I am sure you if tomorrow some scientist found a way of raising people from the dead, you most probably won't see it as a contradiction of nature so why the double standard?

The spinning has begun

Nonsense. Floating in water is a factor of displacement in inanimate objects. To say that steel doesnt naturally float is a lie. Put a steel bowl in water an it will float.


We are not talking about "natural". We are talking about nature. What exists in this world. How can you transcend nature without contradicting it? To transcend it would be tantamount to not existing while existing.

Logicboy03:

The spinning has begun

Nonsense. Floating in water is a factor of displacement in inanimate objects. To say that steel doesnt naturally float is a lie. Put a steel bowl in water an it will float.


We are not talking about "natural". We are talking about nature. What exists in this world. How can you transcend nature without contradicting it? To transcend it would be tantamount to not existing while existing.

I think I have given you a sufficient answer already so I don't need to drag this along a tangent into an aimless back and forth with you.
I'll await Kay's reply instead.

Mr_Anony:
Oh I see, I define a natural entity as anything that can be comprehensively defined within the bounds of space, time and materiality.

I won't define based on causal relationships because I hold that there exists causal connections between the supernatural and the natural.

For me the natural and the supernatural correspond directly to the physical and the spiritual.

But ideas and thoughts are not held to be supernatural.

If you wish to believe ideas are supernatural, you'd agree with atheists who believe God is an ideology.

Kay 17:

But ideas and thoughts are not held to be supernatural.

If you wish to believe ideas are supernatural, you'd agree with atheists who believe God is an ideology.

Not so, A computer/robot/machine can have thoughts but it's thoughts have no meaning. To have meaning, the computer will need to have a soul.

I believe that man unlike a robot has a soul/spirit/inner man (or perhaps what you may choose refer to as a man's consciousness) and that is who the man really is i.e his essence. This inner man has thoughts and ideas. As long as he is connected to a body, the man is alive. As soon as that connection is broken, the man is dead.

I don't think you would describe your "consciousness" as a ideology. I wouldn't.

Mr_Anony:
Not so, A computer/robot/machine can have thoughts but it's thoughts have no meaning. To have meaning, the computer will need to have a soul.

I believe that man unlike a robot has a soul/spirit/inner man (or perhaps what you may choose refer to as a man's consciousness) and that is who the man really is i.e his essence. This inner man has thoughts and ideas. As long as he is connected to a body, the man is alive. As soon as that connection is broken, the man is dead.

I don't think you would describe your "consciousness" as a ideology. I wouldn't.

Hahahahahahahaha

wiegraf:

Hahahahahahahaha

iThoughts..

musKeeto:
iThoughts..

Luckily steve jobs never met anony. Imagine what they could have achieved together?

Mr_Anony:
I think I have given you a sufficient answer already so I don't need to drag this along a tangent into an aimless back and forth with you.
I'll await Kay's reply instead.

Thank you very much.

Artful dodger

Logicboy03:

Thank you very much.

Artful dodger

yawn.......

@mr anony

Consciousness is supernatural?

Kay 17: @mr anony

Consciousness is supernatural?

If by consciousness we are both referring to the soul then yes a man's soul is a supernatural being.

Mr_Anony:
If by consciousness we are both referring to the soul then yes a man's soul is a supernatural being.

Soul? Soul and consciousness are not the same thing. If souls even exist


Or do you lose your soul when you are unconscious? Is a coma patient soulless?


Again, is consciousness supernatural?

Logicboy03:




Soul? Soul and consciousness are not the same thing. If souls even exist


Or do you lose your soul when you are unconscious? Is a coma patient soulless?


Again, is consciousness supernatural?

Is a person in coma dead?

Mr_Anony:
Is a person in coma dead?

I asked you a question. A person in a coma is not conscious.

Logicboy03:
I asked you a question. A person in a coma is not conscious.

And I asked you a question too. Is a person in coma dead?

Mr_Anony:
And I asked you a question too. Is a person in coma dead?

Good night.


I will leave you since you dont want to answer a simple question. I dont have time for your tricks




#Anony exposed

Logicboy03:

Good night.
I will leave you since you dont want to answer a simple question. I dont have time for your tricks
#Anony exposed

Perhaps you should look up the definition I gave for the soul/consciousness and evaluate your question based on that.

Mr_Anony:
Perhaps you should look up the definition I gave for the soul/consciousness and evaluate your question based on that.

You are seriously either crazy or deceitful.



So, your definition has become a binding law.


You have done nothing but argue illogically on this thread.


Afterall, it was what prompted this thread in the first place! Look at the topic!


Goodnight

Logicboy03:

You are seriously either crazy or deceitful.



So, your definition has become a binding law.


You have done nothing but argue illogically on this thread.


Afterall, it was what prompted this thread in the first place! Look at the topic!


Goodnight

Eya! Sori o!