ifechukwukamso:


@solomonwis Read pages 11-17 of the ATTACHED GUIDE TO APPLICATION UPDATED LAST IN 2013-04-29
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/EG7TOC.asp
This is an extract of what page 13 under languages STATES look under important Notice section
Note: Test results from a designated testing agency will be used as conclusive
evidence of your language proficiency.
Important information. If you wish to be awarded points for your
proficiency in both official languages, you must include the results of your
official English language proficiency test ([b]C[/b]ELPIP – General or IELTS –
General Training) AND your official French language proficiency test (TEF)
with your application to the CIO.
Important information. If you are claiming adaptability points for your
spouse or common-law partner’s language proficiency, you must include the
results of their official English language proficiency test (CELPIP – General
or IELTS – General Training) OR their official French language proficiency
test (TEF) with your application to the CIO.

For the Notarization palava am quoting an inside source in Famarha Immigration service you can choose to believe it or not.
With this I rest my case

solomonwis:

You have done well...You need to look at the highlighted parts of your information.Again let me reiterate the fact that you totally misunderstood how points are awarded under Language and I will refer you here to understand better http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp

The bottom line is,you get a maximum of 28 points as the principal applicant under language. 24 points maximum from your English Language OR French result and get an additional 4 points if you meet the minimum THRESHOLD in each of the four language abilities in either English Language OR French.

Absolutely,you do not need to combine both test results from English and French to gain the maximum points. If you however choose and wish to combine,you will need to send both results with your application. You are only showing skills with your abilities in Enlglish and French but it will not earn you anything above the maximum 28 points which you can obviously obtain using the test results from either English OR French.

Please guide/educate yourself with that link above.

Since when has Famarha Immigration service become "the authority" in dictating how documents are to be prepared? The authority is with CIC and you are to be guided by the checklist. You see what I observe about the agents and their wonderful work is to make the whole process look cumbersome and make you think you need to go to hell and return before you can scale through. Yes,you need to be thorough but you don't need to incur unnecessary cost.

Do you know what it means to get documents notarized in some countries? I agree in Nigeria,it is pretty easy but in some countries it cost a whole lot and the process is cumbersome.

Let me state again that I am not against notarization,absolutely not but IT IS NOT A MUST and YOU WILL NOT BE PENALIZED or your application DELAYED as been touted. You are equal to the person who decides to notarize when you don't.

aspirecanada:

Hi people .. the previous 2 posts have totally confused me regarding the way in which points for language abilities are to be calculated. It would be great if we can explain this with an example:

For example, in my case, I have got the following score in IELTS
Speaking: 7
Reading: 7
Listening: 8
Writing: 8

My first official language is English. In this case, the points awarded for 1st official language is 24 (6 marks per ability)

Now, I have 2 questions regarding the 4 additional points that will be awarded for 2nd official Language:
1. When 1st official language is chosen as English, does it automatically indicate that my 2nd official language is French(even when I dont know french)?

2. If the answer to above question is NO, then does it indicate that my 1st official language as well as 2nd official language is English. In this case, will I get 4 additional points (coz the minimum level is achieved in each of the language abilities)?

3. How does the embassy come to know which is my 2nd official language coz there is no form where we have to specify the 2nd official language?

Please clarify.

aspirecanada:

Hi people .. the previous 2 posts have totally confused me regarding the way in which points for language abilities are to be calculated. It would be great if we can explain this with an example:

For example, in my case, I have got the following score in IELTS
Speaking: 7
Reading: 7
Listening: 8
Writing: 8

My first official language is English. In this case, the points awarded for 1st official language is 24 (6 marks per ability)

Now, I have 2 questions regarding the 4 additional points that will be awarded for 2nd official Language:
1. When 1st official language is chosen as English, does it automatically indicate that my 2nd official language is French(even when I dont know french)?

2. If the answer to above question is NO, then does it indicate that my 1st official language as well as 2nd official language is English. In this case, will I get 4 additional points (coz the minimum level is achieved in each of the language abilities)?

3. How does the embassy come to know which is my 2nd official language coz there is no form where we have to specify the 2nd official language?

Please clarify.

ifechukwukamso:

@ Aspire. congrats on your excellent IELTS results
In one of the Economic class forms question 7 asks you your first official language in Canada. Since Canada has 2 officials languages, the second one automatically becomes ruled out

It is based on this chosen official language that you will be assessed

Now for You, you have achieved 24 points for English + 0 points for french. For you to get that 4 extra points, you must score the minimum required marks in the 4 different modules in the french language test (the reverse is the case for people who chose french as their first language).

Now this is where solomonwis is confusing things. If for instance id i claimed French as my first language and i scored a total of 20 in my french language test, for me to get 4 extra point from English (if i choose to, then i MUST HAVE THE MINIMUM SCORE FOR THE FOUR SECTIONS IN MY IELTS MODULES (ie CBL 5 and above).

What solomonwis is saying which is absolutely wrong is that after scoring your points for each of the modules, they will then give you additional 4 points for getting the minimum in the same English test which really does not make much sense.

For the the Notarization issue, take it or leave it that is the truth i have said. I WONT COMMENT FURTHER ON THIS

Cheers!

ifechukwukamso:

@ Aspire. congrats on your excellent IELTS results
In one of the Economic class forms question 7 asks you your first official language in Canada. Since Canada has 2 officials languages, the second one automatically becomes ruled out

It is based on this chosen official language that you will be assessed

Now for You, you have achieved 24 points for English + 0 points for french. For you to get that 4 extra points, you must score the minimum required marks in the 4 different modules in the french language test (the reverse is the case for people who chose french as their first language).
Now this is where solomonwis is confusing things. If for instance id i claimed French as my first language and i scored a total of 20 in my french language test, for me to get 4 extra point from English (if i choose to, then i MUST HAVE THE MINIMUM SCORE FOR THE FOUR SECTIONS IN MY IELTS MODULES (ie CBL 5 and above).

What solomonwis is saying which is absolutely wrong is that after scoring your points for each of the modules, they will then give you additional 4 points for getting the minimum in the same English test which really does not make much sense.

For the the Notarization issue, take it or leave it that is the truth i have said. I WONT COMMENT FURTHER ON THIS

Cheers!

Bwave:

I think solomonwis is right! Unless you can explain why on the CIC website, IELTS score was stated as a determinant of eligibility to gain the 4 points for second official language. We all know that IELTS is for only English language.

ifechukwukamso:


@solomonwis Read pages 11-17 of the ATTACHED GUIDE TO APPLICATION UPDATED LAST IN 2013-04-29
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/EG7TOC.asp
This is an extract of what page 13 under languages STATES look under important Notice section
Note: Test results from a designated testing agency will be used as conclusive
evidence of your language proficiency.
Important information. If you wish to be awarded points for your
proficiency in both official languages, you must include the results of your
official English language proficiency test (CELPIP – General or IELTS –
General Training) AND your official French language proficiency test (TEF)
with your application to the CIO.
Important information. If you are claiming adaptability points for your
spouse or common-law partner’s language proficiency, you must include the
results of their official English language proficiency test (CELPIP – General
or IELTS – General Training) OR their official French language proficiency
test (TEF) with your application to the CIO.

For the Notarization palava am quoting an inside source in Famarha Immigration service you can choose to believe it or not.
With this I rest my case

ifechukwukamso:

@aspirecanada
No he is not!
OK..look at the end of the link solomonwis provided to prove his theory
At the end it says Add your point: first language + second official language
see attached
Now how can English be your first and second official language in Canada
The 4 points can only be gotten with IELTS if you choose french as your First language which automatically implies that English is your second
Na wa ooh. I just realized how difficult Understanding English can be
Think about it

ifechukwukamso:

@ Aspire. congrats on your excellent IELTS results
In one of the Economic class forms question 7 asks you your first official language in Canada. Since Canada has 2 officials languages, the second one automatically becomes ruled out

It is based on this chosen official language that you will be assessed

Now for You, you have achieved 24 points for English + 0 points for french. For you to get that 4 extra points, you must score the minimum required marks in the 4 different modules in the french language test (the reverse is the case for people who chose french as their first language).

Now this is where solomonwis is confusing things. If for instance id i claimed French as my first language and i scored a total of 20 in my french language test, for me to get 4 extra point from English (if i choose to, then i MUST HAVE THE MINIMUM SCORE FOR THE FOUR SECTIONS IN MY IELTS MODULES (ie CBL 5 and above).

What solomonwis is saying which is absolutely wrong is that after scoring your points for each of the modules, they will then give you additional 4 points for getting the minimum in the same English test which really does not make much sense.

For the the Notarization issue, take it or leave it that is the truth i have said. I WONT COMMENT FURTHER ON THIS

Cheers!

solomonwis:

It might not make sense to you but it does make sense to CIC. You don't have to believe me but you cannot interprete outside of this link http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp

It is good enough to be confused,but carrying people along in your confusion is what will not be acceptable.

I really don't see the difficulty in understanding the language points.....Just take your time and read through the link..

You are saying people need to write two language tests to gain the maximum points and I say that is totally wrong! Absolutely wrong!

Not wrong. If u can can exhibit knowledge abi Proficiency in both Languages, u take both exams. Nobody assumes that because u score high in one Language say English then you have the aptitude for the 2nd Language.
The idea being that if u can speak both Languages, then u can adapt better than the guy that speaks just one.

LadyGuinivere:
Excellent Summation.
This argument is really getting too Long. @Aspirecanada please read the relevant cic page lest u dash urself scores where none exists.

Bwave:

I think solomonwis is right! Unless you can explain why on the CIC website, IELTS score was stated as a determinant of eligibility to gain the 4 points for second official language. We all know that IELTS is for only English language.

LadyGuinivere:
Yes IELTS is for english. Pls research into the exam for testing proficency in French. Also, take out time to find out the official Languages of canada. It might give u a deeper understanding of how the language scores are apportioned

solomonwis:

Which CIC page is relevant and which is not?

Well,the bottom line is for you to gain a minimum of 67 points {excluding the 4 additional points if you wish},Aspirecanada will still meet up with the minimum point whichever angle you look at it.

solomonwis:

Your source please?

LadyGuinivere:
Google.

LadyGuinivere:
Yes IELTS is for english. Pls research into the exam for testing proficency in French. Also, take out time to find out the official Languages of canada. It might give u a deeper understanding of how the language scores are apportioned

Bwave:
You are not getting the point, go to that page and look at it again, if the 4 points must come from French what business does IELTS have on the second table. As a lawyer your argument should be logical and based on facts, I don't think you understand how the language scores are apportioned.


Thanks Bwave for your observation. This cleared my confusion.

solomonwis:

There's no confusion whatsoever, there's a minimum threshold you have to meet in your first language (Your first language can either be English or French). When you meet the threshold,you get an additional 4 points in the second official language.

The idea is,if you can meet the threshold in your chosen language you definitely possess the basic ability in the other language. For instance,your language is English and you meet the minimum threshold then you sure possess the basic ability needed to understand and speak French...Don't forget what you are tested on are your abilities on Speaking,Reading,Writing and Listening either in English or French.

Again,please read through this link http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp

The link is self explanatory and unambiguous....

1. Yes, your second official language will be French (Even when you don't speak French,as long as you meet the minimum threshold in your first official language,it is assu1. med that you possess basic ability in French even when you are not speaking French).

2. The above explains the question.

3.You get points for Second official Language when you meet the minimum threshold in your first official language.

aspirecanada:

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@solomonwis: I appreciate your reply. What I understood from this is that EVERY candidate will get 4 points in the 2nd official language. However, from a candidate's perspective, it NULLIFIES the need to acquaint himself/herself with the 2nd official language (coz the candidate will anyway get 4 additional points) and that is something which sounds ILLOGICAL (no offence to anyone) and has left scope for some more thinking. Anyway..without stretching the discussion more, I would say lets wait and see how many points CIC awards for language. As of now, assuming the worst case scenario (i.e. no additional points for 2nd official language) seems to be the safest option.

@all: I am stuck with one more problem. My employer is not agreeing to mention the following things in the reference letter:
1. Duration wise designation split-up
2. Number of hours worked per week
3. Designation wise Annual Compensation

Is anyone of you facing the same problem? If yes, what steps are you taking to ensure that CIC requirements are met?

tuamaP:

AspireCanada I found out that link you have shared got a virus and a lot of computers may not detect if their Antivirus isn't well updated. Please take note and do something about it.

Though I am new to this Land called Naira, I have been following quietly from the background, activities on this forum particularly because I am also an applicant for the Canada Skilled Migration stuff but have been in another forum where people speak less English and do more sharing and advise giving.

Nigerians we need to step up our game and be more creative with our online live. Some dudes from the other forums have been really impressive and many people will look at that and look at this and ask what da fu_c? I mean people take time to give opinions and advises, they show love and respect for man and religion. They behave like they can see each other and know each from somewhere. Others even created database for profiling Various Applicants. The time they sent their Applications, the time it was received, who received it and under what NOC etc.

Unfortunately what we do here is argue and call ourselves names. Dont get me wrong, a lot of our bros and Sis are in those forum too. Lets really help as in the word "HELP". You don't help people and at the same time talk them down. We all certainly gat our prides and Idiosyncrasies.
The truth is nobody knows for certain 100% how CIC works.Its human beings that work there and not machines. I mean people who have feelings and modes just like we do. Some will be seen to have gotten it wrong, yet get a PER while others who may have used the best immigration lawyer either hit the cap or get thrown out over a technical error.
Please lets do things with one spirit. No Boss, No student. We are all here to learn and we are all equal before God. After-all, in the end no one knows who you are and no one may ever get to care about what you are not. I hope someone digme.
I mean no harm, love is beautiful thing!!!

bayo1: Hi solomonwis,
Some of the forms has slots to fill in the current job and requires a date and there is usually no option of writing for instance - From: 2009-05-05 To: "till date" What should be written in this case if one is still holding that position?

aspirecanada: @all: I came across this link.. http://immigrationcanada.pro/immigration-rules/skilled-workers/

Hope you find it useful

tuamaP:

AspireCanada I found out that link you have shared got a virus and a lot of computers may not detect if their Antivirus isn't well updated. Please take note and do something about it.

Though I am new to this Land called Naira, I have been following quietly from the background, activities on this forum particularly because I am also an applicant for the Canada Skilled Migration stuff but have been in another forum where people speak less English and do more sharing and advise giving.

Nigerians we need to step up our game and be more creative with our online live. Some dudes from the other forums have been really impressive and many people will look at that and look at this and ask what da fu_c? I mean people take time to give opinions and advises, they show love and respect for man and religion. They behave like they can see each other and know each from somewhere. Others even created database for profiling Various Applicants. The time they sent their Applications, the time it was received, who received it and under what NOC etc.

Unfortunately what we do here is argue and call ourselves names. Dont get me wrong, a lot of our bros and Sis are in those forum too. Lets really help as in the word "HELP". You don't help people and at the same time talk them down. We all certainly gat our prides and Idiosyncrasies.
The truth is nobody knows for certain 100% how CIC works.Its human beings that work there and not machines. I mean people who have feelings and modes just like we do. Some will be seen to have gotten it wrong, yet get a PER while others who may have used the best immigration lawyer either hit the cap or get thrown out over a technical error.
Please lets do things with one spirit. No Boss, No student. We are all here to learn and we are all equal before God. After-all, in the end no one knows who you are and no one may ever get to care about what you are not. I hope someone digme.
I mean no harm, love is beautiful thing!!!

solomonwis:

Hello Bayo,Can you be more specific about which forms you are referring to?

bayo1:

Hello Solomonwis, an example is shown in this pix. Is it right to enter "till date" if that's my current job?

Secondly, can the document notarization be done by any court?