frosbel:


The Lord said to My Lord - first hint.

One Lord said to the other Lord, sit at my right hand, meaning we have 2 Lords here, one obviously being in subjection to the other.

We know that Lord does not only refer to GOD in this context.

lol lol lol

There is ONE Lord.

Then there are two Lords!

Yeah, right! lol

Let us use our friends own quote"

frosbel: The creed of Jesus :

"Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and [size=14pt]only[/size] LORD." - Mark 12;29

When did there is ONLY ONE Lord mean there are two Lords?

When did the ONE and ONLY Lord become two Lords?

Enigma: Some people are quoting dictionary 'definitions' of "deity" out of a misunderstanding and poor biblical thinking.

All deities other than God are false, false deities, false gods.

Therefore if Jesus is a "deity" like any of these "dictionary deities" then Jesus too is a false deity and a false god.

That is why the Bible says that God is one and that is why Jesus is one God with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Simples.

In case it's lost on you, 'deity' is an English word so we have to accept the dictionary definition and not what you imagine it to be.

Pastor Kun:

In case it's lost on you, 'deity' is an English word so we have to accept the dictionary definition and not what you imagine it to be.

Of course the biblical teaching and its internal logic is lost on you.

Yeah, Jesus is "deity" like Baal, Shango,etc

Rubbish!

Pastor Kun: I thought I'd supply the dictionary meaning of Deity for trinitarians who wrongly assume deity only means God. .......

Examining the "logic" of the Jesus is “a god” 'thinking' --- using a definition supplied by one of its adherents

deity

[ dee-i-tee ]

noun plural de•i•ties.

1. a god or goddess.

Is Jesus “deity” in this sense? (Just like Baal, Shango, Yemoja, Mammy-wata etc?)

2. divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.

Is Jesus “deity” in this sense?
And here the defenders will have to explain what is meant by “divine character” and how you distinguish between the divine character of the Supreme Being and the divine character of others that are not the Supreme Being!

3. the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.

Is Jesus “deity” in this sense?

4. a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.

Is Jesus “deity” in this sense?

5. God; Supreme Being

Hmmm, Is Jesus “deity” in this sense?

Enigma:

lol lol lol

There is ONE Lord.

Then there are two Lords!

Yeah, right! lol

Indeed there are.

One who is Lord Messiah and the other Lord God Almighty.

Let us use our friends own quote"

When did there is ONLY ONE Lord mean there are two Lords?

You cannot Lol this one away.

Jesus the Christ, is also Lord , but that in no way contradicts God the Father being called overall Lord or the Almighty Lord.

You people should respect this thread. How many times have you argued back and forth like this without any result. The ppl that are doing this should be sanctioned. Deep and anony should come back quickly before this thread is completely polluted.

frosbel:

Indeed there are.

One who is Lord Messiah and the other Lord God Almighty.



You cannot Lol this one away.

Jesus the Christ, is also Lord , but that in no way contradicts God the Father being called overall Lord or the Almighty Lord.

Ahem!

Sir, I would also like to hook up for a drink. And no, I don't live in London.

Please if anyone wishes to argue, he/she should open another thread.
@frosbel, you claim there is one lord, then there are two lords, nawa for you sir. You do even worse than you accuse others of doing

Tgirl4real:

Ahem!

Sir, I would also like to hook up for a drink. And no, I don't live in London.

Oh yes, when I come to Lagos next .

Congrats on your new Job.

Chibuebem: Please if anyone wishes to argue, he/she should open another thread.
@frosbel, you claim there is one lord, then there are two lords, nawa for you sir. You do even worse than you accuse others of doing

Jesus is Lord Messiah, God is Lord God Almighty.

frosbel:

Oh yes, when I come to Lagos next .

Congrats on your new Job.

OK o. Thanks. Lol

frosbel:

Jesus is Lord Messiah, God is Lord God Almighty.

Do you know that if u're a true christian, u're also a god?
so i can call you frosbel of god or god frosbel,or lord frosbel. so the name 'god' is associated with those with heavenly connection. - that is our heavenly surname,
The supreme GOD is JEHOVAH God or Lord Jehovah. and you have Lord Jesus Christ.
of course i must say that their names are inexhaustible

BENALVINO

1. "That is because Moses is not god and
other gods are not god in the real
sense... YHWH said from his mouth he
formed no god..."

granted Moses is not God almighty. Jah didnt form any false god to be worshipped by pple. however, was Moses called god? exod. 4:16. i need ur reply.

b) do u agree that the word "god" does not always refer to one who is worshipped? psalm 8:5. pls ur answer.

2. "There cannot not be 2 God of the
world... If Satan is truely the god of
the world then why is it wrong for
people to worship him. The bible says
YHWH is the God of the world heaven
and beneath the earth and the is no
other God... This alone means Satan is
not god of the world.''

ya. when I say that Satan is the god of the world , 2cor. 4:4. (kjv) I do nt mean he is the God of the universe. even when the bible says the satan rules the world, it does not mean the universe as i said above. the "world" used in 2cor 4:4 is "aion" not "kosmos".

but this is not our discussion here. that corenthians indicates that satan is a god, not so?

3. "When the bible says their belle is their
god doesn't it mean belle is god?"

thank u. so we are now on the same page, namely, that when god is used in the bible it doesnt always refer exclusively to the almighty.

other persons or things are often called God in the bible. eg belle, humans, angels etc. that is what i ve been trying to prove. but my emphasis is on angels and humans. ie as the bible makes use of the word.

so that Jesus is called god doesnt make him the almighty, just like calling angels gods wouldnt make them the almighty.

4. "When you try to equate men in same
nature as God and say one is greater
than the other U R wrong because God
is nature and men are not God by
nature. Anything can be God."

I ve never tried to equate men to God. rather I am trying to prove that humans and angels are equally referred to as Gods in the bible. so Jesus being called God in the bible does not mean he is the almighty God.

inshort the angels that sonetimes extend God's message in the past are often referred to as God, even YHWH atimes by those who received the message. gen. 19:18. that Jesus is called God doesnt make him equal to his creator. afterall what he said was giving him by the Almighty.

5. "Woods are to some people god. Any thing
people make their god is idol.
Again moses was like god to pheroah
and his people but not to me and
you... Pharoah needed a lesson.
Again why am saying if moses is God
we are God also is because you are
making moses into the nature God."

a) so u ve agreed that atleast he was called God? the word "God" is not exclusive to God. am I right?
b) i never said he was god by nature, neither am I equating him with God almighty. I jst want to establish that the word "god" can be called on righteous persons or angels in the BIBLE, which does not perforce mean almighty God. Jesus is not an exception.

c) and I asked, that Moses is a prophet, makes me and u prophets?

6. "And yes the bible says God will
destroy any god that did not create
the heaven and earth simple... The
bible said it."

where did the bible say it? b) so God will still destroy the faithful angels simple?

7. "JW says any god that didnot seek
worship won't be destroyed according
to ijawkid. But the woods and idols
never seek worship from humans even
the sun and moon people worship."

pls refer the question to ijawkid. am hearing that for the first time.

BENALVINO

1. "That is because Moses is not god and
other gods are not god in the real
sense... YHWH said from his mouth he
formed no god..."

granted Moses is not God almighty. Jah didnt form any false god to be worshipped by pple. however, was Moses called god? exod. 4:16. i need ur reply.

b) do u agree that the word "god" does not always refer to one who is worshipped? psalm 8:5. pls ur answer.

2. "There cannot not be 2 God of the
world... If Satan is truely the god of
the world then why is it wrong for
people to worship him. The bible says
YHWH is the God of the world heaven
and beneath the earth and the is no
other God... This alone means Satan is
not god of the world.''

ya. when I say that Satan is the god of the world , 2cor. 4:4. (kjv) I do nt mean he is the God of the universe. even when the bible says the satan rules the world, it does not mean the universe as i said above. the "world" used in 2cor 4:4 is "aion" not "kosmos".

but this is not our discussion here. that corenthians indicates that satan is a god, not so?

3. "When the bible says their belle is their
god doesn't it mean belle is god?"

thank u. so we are now on the same page, namely, that when god is used in the bible it doesnt always refer exclusively to the almighty.

other persons or things are often called God in the bible. eg belle, humans, angels etc. that is what i ve been trying to prove. but my emphasis is on angels and humans. ie as the bible makes use of the word.

so that Jesus is called god doesnt make him the almighty, just like calling angels gods wouldnt make them the almighty.

4. "When you try to equate men in same
nature as God and say one is greater
than the other U R wrong because God
is nature and men are not God by
nature. Anything can be God."

I ve never tried to equate men to God. rather I am trying to prove that humans and angels are equally referred to as Gods in the bible. so Jesus being called God in the bible does not mean he is the almighty God.

inshort the angels that sonetimes extend God's message in the past are often referred to as God, even YHWH atimes by those who received the message. gen. 19:18. that Jesus is called God doesnt make him equal to his creator. afterall what he said was giving him by the Almighty.

5. "Woods are to some people god. Any thing
people make their god is idol.
Again moses was like god to pheroah
and his people but not to me and
you... Pharoah needed a lesson.
Again why am saying if moses is God
we are God also is because you are
making moses into the nature God."

a) so u ve agreed that atleast he was called God? the word "God" is not exclusive to God. am I right?
b) i never said he was god by nature, neither am I equating him with God almighty. I jst want to establish that the word "god" can be called on righteous persons or angels in the BIBLE, which does not perforce mean almighty God. Jesus is not an exception.

c) and I asked, that Moses is a prophet, makes me and u prophets?

6. "And yes the bible says God will
destroy any god that did not create
the heaven and earth simple... The
bible said it."

where did the bible say it? b) so God will still destroy the faithful angels simple?

7. "JW says any god that didnot seek
worship won't be destroyed according
to ijawkid. But the woods and idols
never seek worship from humans even
the sun and moon people worship."

pls refer the question to ijawkid. am hearing that for the first time.

BENALVINO

1. "That is because Moses is not god and
other gods are not god in the real
sense... YHWH said from his mouth he
formed no god..."

granted Moses is not God almighty. Jah didnt form any false god to be worshipped by pple. however, was Moses called god? exod. 4:16. i need ur reply.

b) do u agree that the word "god" does not always refer to one who is worshipped? psalm 8:5. pls ur answer.

2. "There cannot not be 2 God of the
world... If Satan is truely the god of
the world then why is it wrong for
people to worship him. The bible says
YHWH is the God of the world heaven
and beneath the earth and the is no
other God... This alone means Satan is
not god of the world.''

ya. when I say that Satan is the god of the world , 2cor. 4:4. (kjv) I do nt mean he is the God of the universe. even when the bible says the satan rules the world, it does not mean the universe as i said above. the "world" used in 2cor 4:4 is "aion" not "kosmos".

but this is not our discussion here. that corenthians indicates that satan is a god, not so?

3. "When the bible says their belle is their
god doesn't it mean belle is god?"

thank u. so we are now on the same page, namely, that when god is used in the bible it doesnt always refer exclusively to the almighty.

other persons or things are often called God in the bible. eg belle, humans, angels etc. that is what i ve been trying to prove. but my emphasis is on angels and humans. ie as the bible makes use of the word.

so that Jesus is called god doesnt make him the almighty, just like calling angels gods wouldnt make them the almighty.

4. "When you try to equate men in same
nature as God and say one is greater
than the other U R wrong because God
is nature and men are not God by
nature. Anything can be God."

I ve never tried to equate men to God. rather I am trying to prove that humans and angels are equally referred to as Gods in the bible. so Jesus being called God in the bible does not mean he is the almighty God.

inshort the angels that sonetimes extend God's message in the past are often referred to as God, even YHWH atimes by those who received the message. gen. 19:18. that Jesus is called God doesnt make him equal to his creator. afterall what he said was giving him by the Almighty.

5. "Woods are to some people god. Any thing
people make their god is idol.
Again moses was like god to pheroah
and his people but not to me and
you... Pharoah needed a lesson.
Again why am saying if moses is God
we are God also is because you are
making moses into the nature God."

a) so u ve agreed that atleast he was called God? the word "God" is not exclusive to God. am I right?
b) i never said he was god by nature, neither am I equating him with God almighty. I jst want to establish that the word "god" can be called on righteous persons or angels in the BIBLE, which does not perforce mean almighty God. Jesus is not an exception. and that to use small "g" for Jesus doesnt violate any law, neither does it make Jesus a false god.

c) and I asked, that Moses is a prophet, makes me and u prophets?

6. "And yes the bible says God will
destroy any god that did not create
the heaven and earth simple... The
bible said it."

where did the bible say it? b) so God will still destroy the faithful angels simple?

7. "JW says any god that didnot seek
worship won't be destroyed according
to ijawkid. But the woods and idols
never seek worship from humans even
the sun and moon people worship."

pls refer the question to ijawkid. am hearing that for the first time.

MY POINT?

a) referring to Jesus with small god doesnt violate any law. capitalisation is obedience to english grammar not of greek.
b) that he is referred to as small god doesnt make him a false god. for that will mean that angels are also false gods too.
c) elohim or theos is used as a common noun not as a proper name in the bible.

@jman I responded in another thread... This thread is becoming something else because of us.

https://www.nairaland.com/1339284/polytheists-vs-trinity/12#17070168

Hi Deep Sight, it has been some time now, still awaiting your response. At the rate we are currently moving, it'll take us a few years to finish this: that's 38 verses at 4 posts per verse at the rate of one post per week.

I can understand that my last post was a little out of the norm of this discourse so I'll make you an offer:

You can plead a "NO CONTEST"

A "No Contest" WILL NOT MEAN in any way that you are conceding or granting the points neither will it mean that you agree or disagree either in part or in total with the post.

The "No Contest" WILL ONLY MEAN THAT you have decided not respond to it at this time. This will allow us the opportunity to skip and move on to D2.

Also if you intend to engage it at some other time, I'll suggest you can put up a blank post titled "Rebuttal of A2" to which I will in turn open a blank post titled "Response to Rebuttal" and then you can open the "Response to Response" blank post, we can feel these in later as we move along.

Finally, because my last post was not the normal specific verse by verse treatment we have been using, we can allow for skipping in this special instance, however, this should be the only time either of us will skip posts in this manner. This is so that we don't make it a habit leaving empty posts strewn all over the thread. It is only done in this case so that we can move on quicker to D2

Does this work for you?

Mr Anony is back...yippie!

Now, where is Deepsight?

Lol


I think what anony suggested is best for now.

Tgirl4real: Mr Anony is back...yippie!

Now, where is Deepsight?

Lol


I think what anony suggested is best for now.

Lol, I never left really, it's just that as per the rules, Deep Sight and I are not allowed to debate any other person on the thread apart from each other. So as much as I would have loved to join in the 'fun' earlier that nearly derialed the thread, I really couldn't.

the debate is too slow and thus boring.

JMAN05: the debate is too slow and thus boring.

I'm sorry sir but we didn't have your entertainment in mind when we created the thread. I'm sure there are better ways available for you to sufficiently titillate your senses.

Mr anony:
I'm sorry sir but we didn't have your entertainment in mind when we created the thread. I'm sure there are better ways available for you to sufficiently titillate your senses.

Lol. Romance section things..

I guess, while the main actors are perfecting their plans, i find this amusing

frosbel:


The Lord said to My Lord - first hint.

One Lord said to the other Lord, sit at my right hand, meaning we have 2 Lords here, one obviously being in subjection to the other.

We know that Lord does not only refer to GOD in this context.

frosbel: The creed of Jesus :

"Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD." - Mark 12;29

Enigma:

lol lol lol

There is ONE Lord.

Then there are two Lords!

Yeah, right! lol

Let us use our friends own quote"



When did there is ONLY ONE Lord mean there are two Lords?

When did the ONE and ONLY Lord become two Lords?

Mr anony:
Lol, I never left really, it's just that as per the rules, Deep Sight and I are not allowed to debate any other person on the thread apart from each other. So as much as I would have loved to join in the 'fun' earlier that nearly derialed the thread, I really couldn't.

there are threads you can still join in... like the one jman and bookmark is on with me about True God, no other God, and false gods...
they always argue God is one... and Jesus is not God... when it is on their neck they will say there are different level of God and he is the almighty and jesus is mighty then other gods are little ones... they also say God is not the only true God... that other gods are true gods too when the bible says there is only one true God...

https://www.nairaland.com/1339284/polytheists-vs-trinity/12#17122442

benalvino:

there are threads you can still join in... like the one jman and bookmark is on with me about True God, no other God, and false gods...
they always argue God is one... and Jesus is not God... when it is on their neck they will say there are different level of God and he is the almighty and jesus is mighty then other gods are little ones... they also say God is not the only true God... that other gods are true gods too when the bible says there is only one true God...

https://www.nairaland.com/1339284/polytheists-vs-trinity/12#17122442

So you are calling for help? If Anony should agree with you, then he has to pull down the walls i built with my question. I hope the bolded lie is not against me? Na so you wan make we take reason scripture?

There is rebuttal to A2 but will leave Deep to do the work.

Mr anony:
Lol, I never left really, it's just that as per the rules, Deep Sight and I are not allowed to debate any other person on the thread apart from each other. So as much as I would have loved to join in the 'fun' earlier that nearly derialed the thread, I really couldn't.

lol. So, you were viewing but not commenting. Pls, don't get distracted. You guys are doing perfectly well.

Mr anony:
I'm sorry sir but we didn't have your entertainment in mind when we created the thread. I'm sure there are better ways available for you to sufficiently titillate your senses.

Now, I find this amusing.

musKeeto:
Lol. Romance section things..

Mr anony: Hi Deep Sight, it has been some time now, still awaiting your response. At the rate we are currently moving, it'll take us a few years to finish this: that's 38 verses at 4 posts per verse at the rate of one post per week.

I can understand that my last post was a little out of the norm of this discourse so I'll make you an offer:

You can plead a "NO CONTEST"

A "No Contest" WILL NOT MEAN in any way that you are conceding or granting the points neither will it mean that you agree or disagree either in part or in total with the post.

The "No Contest" WILL ONLY MEAN THAT you have decided not respond to it at this time. This will allow us the opportunity to skip and move on to D2.

Also if you intend to engage it at some other time, I'll suggest you can put up a blank post titled "Rebuttal of A2" to which I will in turn open a blank post titled "Response to Rebuttal" and then you can open the "Response to Response" blank post, we can feel these in later as we move along.

Finally, because my last post was not the normal specific verse by verse treatment we have been using, we can allow for skipping in this special instance, however, this should be the only time either of us will skip posts in this manner. This is so that we don't make it a habit leaving empty posts strewn all over the thread. It is only done in this case so that we can move on quicker to D2

Does this work for you?

My deepest apologies: I have had a really harried last 2 weeks at work.

I prefer to address the post, notwithstanding the fact that it is, somewhat of an anomalous post.

I will do so presently.

REBUTTAL OF A2.

I see no substance to A2 and as such will not dwell on it.

Your argument centres on the reference to Christ as Lord.

Your own very post indicates that you understand the distinction between the way that the word "Lord" was used in the OT as opposed to how it was used in reference to Christ. The reference to Christ as Lord does not in any way render him God. It renders him the Lord Jesus Christ - and as far as this Lordship is concerned you may note that there are many traditions of references to Men, Judges, Kings, and such, as Lord. Christ as the son of God would thus be Lord as anointed and that in no way renders him God.

As I said, I see no substance in that post, and I will not dwell on it. However I will cull excerpts from an article talking about the use of the word Lord in the OT AND NT.

Here goes -

"The primary reason for the use of LORD in place of God's Hebrew name is to follow the tradition of the Israelites in not pronouncing or spelling out God's name. So, when God's Hebrew name "YHWH" is used in the Old Testament, English translations usually use "LORD" in all caps or small caps. Also, since ancient Hebrew did not use vowels in its written form, it is not entirely clear how God's name should be spelled or pronounced. It could be Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Yehowah, or something else.

As stated above, when "LORD" in all caps or small caps occurs in the Old Testament, it is a replacement for an occurrence of God's Hebrew name "YHWH," also known as the Tetragrammaton. This is fairly consistent throughout all the different English translations of the Bible. When "Lord" occurs in the Old Testament, referring to God, it is usually a rendering of "Adonai," a name/title of God that emphasizes His lordship. LORD/YHWH and Lord/Adonai are by far the two most consistent renderings throughout all the different English Bible translations.

In the Old Testament, when "God" is used, it is usually a rendering of the general Hebrew word for God, "Elohim." When "LORD GOD" or "Lord GOD" occurs, it is usually a rendering of a dual name for God "Adonai YHWH." The Hebrew term "YHWH Sabaoth" is usually rendered "Lord of Hosts." The Hebrew term "YHWH Shaddai" is usually rendered "LORD Almighty." The Old Testament uses many different names and titles to refer to God, to emphasize certain aspects of His person and attributes. This can result in confusion in translation, but in the original Hebrew, it was done entirely in an effort to glorify and magnify God's name.

The usage of "Lord" and "God" in the New Testament is much less complicated. Almost universally, "God" is a translation of "theos," the general Greek word for deity. Also almost universally, "Lord" is a translation of "kurios," the general Greek word for a master."

http://www.gotquestions.org/LORD-GOD-Lord-God.html

Its simple really.

This (the reference to Christ as Lord) is no evidence whatsoever for the Trinity, or the idea that Jesus is God.

I do not see anything in the rest of your post that requires a further rebuttal.

I made a similar point concerning it. I dont see any point to support the trinity there.

My deepest apologies, Anony and all.

I cannot continue this thread because I will be permanently withdrawing from Nairaland going forward on account of the unacceptable disposition of the owner of the site.

Best wishes.

Deep Sight:
My deepest apologies, Anony and all.

I cannot continue this thread because I will be permanently withdrawing from Nairaland going forward on account of the unacceptable disposition of the owner of the site.

Best wishes.

Your decision i believe is too rash and i believe Seun's disposition can still be remedied. That said we still need the quality of your thoughts and apt delivery on this forum. We don't have too many sound debaters here and it would be a big shame to loose you. Kindly reconsider your position.

Deep Sight:
My deepest apologies, Anony and all.

I cannot continue this thread because I will be permanently withdrawing from Nairaland going forward on account of the unacceptable disposition of the owner of the site.

Best wishes.

Wow...

I'm gonna miss your big big grammar