GooseBaba: ^^^^^
LMAO..!!!! YEPARIPA ..!!

k2039: God existed before He created man, so He didn't need man to exist.

okeyxyz: Can god exist without man? Simply put: No!!! Well, actually God is Human. He made man in his own image and likeness; All the prophets he sent were human; He incarnated(Jesus) as Human and his project is to save man. He has placed the rest of the universe under the feet of man, to be in subjection and domination by Man. thus, For as many as receive him, he gave the power to become the sons of God. For those who can receive this message: the God person is Human.

As per God needing human praise; It is not literal as we interpret things but symbolic/spiritual. Praise means to have the mindset and behavior of God. As the scripture says: In all situations give thanks to god. Yes, All situations, even in sufferings. It simply means: Think and behave like god in all situations and how you judge all things. The big falsehood is in our (mis)understanding of god rather than in the truth and validity of God.

So what/Who is God?? God is a spirit. Spirit does not mean Ghost as we have been taught to understand. Spirit means Mindset/Behaviour. Therefore to worship god is to think and behave like god. Firstly, It means that you are not bound by the moral and ceremonial laws of Moses from which all human moralities are derived. As god, you have a nature that CANNOT sin; All things in nature are good for you to use, control and enjoy, rather than to be feared in the believe that they might be sinful. Anybody who who still thinks that what he eats, drinks, wears etc can make him ungodly, then such a person does not understand godhood.

So science does not and cannot validate God. This means that God transcends science. Transcend does not mean against science but rather it means God encompasses and extends beyond science, just like we humans do. Scientific principles are godly principles too but scientific values and measurements are limited to what is physical and literal while Godhood extends to spirituality(Mindset and understanding) and accomplishes powers that cannot be explained by conventional, scientific wisdom. It is godly to true discern Good and evil, while science has no morals at all. Science only measures what is objectively demonstrable. Science is a tool while god is a (the ultimate)being/mindset.

Wiz emmanuel: I can see that u all are being caged in this world, don't u know that the devil is rulling this world, u all say foolish things without thinking of the consequences ,don't u know that God loves u that he sent he sent his only begotten son that we might be saved. Don't u know that he has already prepared a place for us, a place where there is no suffering , no death ,no sickness, a place full of love. Yet u all sinned he u still live , u fornicate, steal ,lie,worship idols , instead of u to worship he that created u.

elnath: ......... I commend your passion, sir. But who created the Devil? Why will an omniscient, omnipotent God not forsee that this creature he created would turn to become the Devil? If God is a spirit, does He need an abode? Do spirits need a realm to stay in? Now, consider this place called Heaven. Where is it? Up there? Among the stars or beyond them? Is heaven a planet? Is it in our Milky Way galaxy or beyond it? What survives death is the soul, right? It is immaterial. So how come something without flesh and blood, something without form, is said to either know eternal bliss or pain? Can the air feel pain? Brother, don't be too blinded. 'Seek and ye shall find.'

elnath: ............. Thank you very much, my man. God is a spirit. Granted. God wants us to think and act like Him? What!!! Go and read the Old Testament of the Bible. I can't really act like that God that was so bloodthirsty, killing and plundering whole nations just for fun. That certainly isn't someone worthy of emulation, someone who destroys children just because of the sin of their parents. Now, as for God being God and man at the same time, that is not what the Bible said. Jesus Christ isn't God. He never purported to be. In John 14:28, he made a clear distinction between him and God. And He incarnated to save man? From what? From Himself? So God can change from the bloodlusty fellow in the Old Testament to the pacifying, all-loving God of the New Testament, who still through the apostles John, Paul and Peter still threatened fire and brimstone on dissenters on the Last Day? Now, if we're not bound by the laws of Moses, by which laws are we bound? Who gave Moses those laws? Are they not Holy Writ, from God Himself? So, suddenly, God's law changed? Can God be so fickle and shifty in his ways? An entity that was immutable for billions of years changed just within four thousand years of creating man, shifting His goalpost to accommodate man? So in the vast universe, so mind-blowing that it beats my three-dimensional mind, it is just man that God sees fit to subject everything to? Brother, take away the biase of religion and what you've been taught and look at this objectively. We've not even tapped into the vastness of our earth. How then is it that the universe was created for us, for our subjection and exploitation? These are questions you should sincerely answer for yourself, from the core of you, not by quoting what you read in other people's writing of their understanding of the mechanisms of life and the universe. Thank you, brother.

elnath: ............. Thank you very much, my man. God is a spirit. Granted. God wants us to think and act like Him? What!!! Go and read the Old Testament of the Bible. I can't really act like that God that was so bloodthirsty, killing and plundering whole nations just for fun. That certainly isn't someone worthy of emulation, someone who destroys children just because of the sin of their parents.

Now, as for God being God and man at the same time, that is not what the Bible said. Jesus Christ isn't God. He never purported to be. In John 14:28, he made a clear distinction between him and God. And He incarnated to save man? From what? From Himself? So God can change from the bloodlusty fellow in the Old Testament to the pacifying, all-loving God of the New Testament, who still through the apostles John, Paul and Peter still threatened fire and brimstone on dissenters on the Last Day?

Now, if we're not bound by the laws of Moses, by which laws are we bound? Who gave Moses those laws? Are they not Holy Writ, from God Himself? So, suddenly, God's law changed? Can God be so fickle and shifty in his ways? An entity that was immutable for billions of years changed just within four thousand years of creating man, shifting His goalpost to accommodate man? So in the vast universe, so mind-blowing that it beats my three-dimensional mind, it is just man that God sees fit to subject everything to?

Brother, take away the biase of religion and what you've been taught and look at this objectively. We've not even tapped into the vastness of our earth. How then is it that the universe was created for us, for our subjection and exploitation? These are questions you should sincerely answer for yourself, from the core of you, not by quoting what you read in other people's writing of their understanding of the mechanisms of life and the universe. Thank you, brother.

elnath: Okeyxyz, I am finding you increasingly interesting. For your information, I am not am atheist. I am a theistic freethinker.

I've passed this phase you are in now long ago. There was a time I accepted hook, line and sinker everything I read from the Bible and the interpretation of so-called men of God. But I got older and wiser. And I started asking questions......

okeyxyz: 1) You can either interpret these passages as literal: I cannot vouch for their literalness. That is not to say that the events did not occur as written, just that I don't know, but if peradventure they are indeed literal, then I accept them wholly (with fear..).

Anyway, back to the topic. I can only give you one answer. You said the laws followed by the Israelites i.e. the Laws of Moses were not given by God but made by man. Brother, you certainly do not read your Bible. From Exodus down to Deuteronomy where all those mind-boggling laws were laid, almost every chapter starts with "the Lord said to Moses". So, those were not the not God speaking but Moses?

The problem with you Christians is that you see others as foolish while you are wise.

The God of the Old Testament, the 'creator of the heavens and earth', is one controversial entity. I won't repeat myself, brother. Dwell in the realms of your faith. I won't interfere. But, please, tell your pastors, priests and evangelists to stop looking for converts since everyone is better off as one is.

You just came and made a lot of noise here without any substantive answer to the question raised. Indulge in your fanaticism. But you certainly, in the deepest core of your heart, are troubled with the questions raised. Thank you, brother.

okeyxyz:

There you go again, proving me right in my assessment of you "christianity detractors". You want to debate against christian doctrine but never based on the claims of this doctrine, You always debate claims that were never made. Please show me from my writeup, where did I ever say you were an atheist?? I simply said: "atheists and non-christians" do so and so..., How do you jump-off defending\attacking the atheist line?? Did I call you one?? /*Fail!! one*/




Again, you shoot first and aim later
Where in my writeup gave you the impression that I believe hook, line and sinker, what is written in bible?? Did I not write the words below



Again, raising issues with claims that were never made /*Fail!! two*/

And my second take on the subject, I clearly stated that it was a symbolic/spiritual interpretation on the subject, and I dare you to find anywhere in the bible where such points of view where expressed. So you CANNOT accuse me of swallowing hook, line and sinker, the narratives in the bible.




I said they were not God's Laws and I also stated explicitly that "God allowed these laws to be given and enforced upon man..."(refer back). If God allowed(or enforced) the Laws on man, it does not mean that they were his laws. The consequences of Adam's choice has to be played out and this manifested as the Laws of Moses. Of course they'd think it's god's will because He enforced(or allowed) them, just like a prisoner would think it's the prison guard punishing him, instead of the Laws of the land which he broke. So that is how they attribute these laws to God. So I'll let this one slide and will not call a /*Fail!! three*/ on you. It's understandable that you mis-understood(no pun)





And what is wrong with that?? The fact that you are here arguing against my positions is because you believe me to be wrong(foolish). This is classic hypocritical of you, pretending to be holier than thou when you(and anybody with any opinion) are guilty of this same attitude.




You want us to stop looking for converts but you yourself will not cease in trying to convert us from our ignorance and delusions..?? Hmm, Somebody please tell me the meaning of hypocrisy again..




But I'd answered the question nah, in my first reply to the OP. God cannot exist without man. God is Human. But you choose not to (or are unable to) understand that, thus this arguing in cycles..
And as per being a fanatic, obviously you believe it's derogatory(like most people) to be called a fanatic