Aafulenu: @op
The fact u haven't come across atheist in real life, doesnt mean they r all closet atheist.

That's exactly what it implies, I'm afraid.

Aafulenu: I personnally knw so many atheist in real life who are very vocal. Inshort the first day u meet them is the same day u will knw their religious beliefs. -myself inclusive!

Easier said than done. It's all very good and proper to display fake braggadocio in an anonymous online forum, but a different ball game in reality, dude.

Aafulenu: Even @ my place of work, we have dem, in my neighborhood and my Family. They tell u bluntly who they are and they don't give a darm.

Good for you in your dream world.

plaetton:

Ashamed? That is very silly.

Many have asked you here, what exactly would be the point of an atheist wanting to be indentified in public in a religious hot zone like Nigeria?

It's not only exclusive to Nigeria. In my first post, I made a fine point in excusing that, then gave the United State example where atheism is still pretty scarce. Any reasons as to why?

plaetton: unlike religious folks, an atheists has no need to constantly re-affirm and revalidate his worldview.
Atheism is not a drug that one has to take every sunday, then again at midweek service, then again on Friday night vigils.
There is no imaginary sky or land daddy to placate.

Okay.

plaetton: An atheists walks self-assured and does not earn any after-death credits for spreading the good news.

Okay, but that's not what I asked.

Mr Troll: @OP, Atheists have no dogma to sell so what exactly do you want them to flaunt?

Hian! I don't want them to flaunt anything, just a little honesty. What's the harm in indicating that you an atheist in your national ID card?

Mr Troll: 9ja is a very bigoted country and therefore they are wisely keeping their controversial opinions to themselves in public for fear of discrimination. Man must survive and adapt. . .

In other words, you shouldn't be taken seriously, perhaps?

Mr Troll: By the way, i think what you want to arrive at is that atheists are hypocrites and cowards. Abi?

Your words not mine

double post..

@FrostyZonn If a christian believed the gospel in his heart/in private but acted like a Muslim in public for fear of discrimination (E.g in Saudi Arabia).. Does that make him a fake Christian? A fake Muslim yes... It all depends on what you believe behind closed doors. That's what defines us... So saying closet atheists are fake atheists is grossly absurd.

AVmonster: double post..

Already rectified.

AVmonster: @FrostyZonn If a christian believed the gospel in his heart/in private but acted like a Muslim in public for fear of discrimination (E.g in Saudi Arabia).. Does that make him a fake Christian? A fake Muslim yes... It all depends on what you believe behind closed doors. That's what defines us... So saying closet atheists are fake atheists is grossly absurd.

What defines you is what you identify as in public, anything short of that makes you a yellow bellied, weak livered cowàrd.

I'm a Christian and proud and identifies as one, even in the mist of Muslims. Why shouldn't an atheist do the same?

FrostyZonn:

What defines you is what you identify as in public, nothing short of that makes you a yellow bellied, weak livered cowàrd.

I'm a Christian and proud and identifies as one, even in the mist of Muslims. Why shouldn't an atheist do the same?

Because atheism knows no divisions... We discuss real life issues not absurd tales of dogs and gods...

FrostyZonn:

What defines you is what you identify as in public, nothing short of that makes a yellow bellied, weak livered.

I'm a Christian and proud and identifies as one, even in the mist of Muslims. Why shouldn't an atheist do the same?

Then all early Christians who were persecuted were not real Christians by your reasoning...

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cyrexx:


O my, it's obvious that you know nothing about bigotry and extreme religious fundamentalism in places like Iran or Pakistan and even Nigeria. And thus I see no reason to continue this discussion with you.

With this I rest my case.

Cheers.

the op is either a pure hypocrite or just being economical with the truth.
I don't think the topic really worth debating if the op is not ready to admit that there are fanatics willing to kill u for not believing in their god.
even a christian that still believes in god gets killed by Muslims that felt they are worshiping wrong god let alone someone that doesn't believe in any .. Imagine asking someone in Iraq or Pakistan to declare he is atheist in public in a country where 95% of its citizens are fanatic

AVmonster:
Then all early Christians who were persecuted were not real Christians by your reasoning...

Those that denied their faith weren't, yes.

It seems you have made your point already. There's nothing more to discuss. . .

musKeeto:

Because atheism knows no divisions... We discuss real life issues not absurd tales of dogs and gods...

BWAHAHAHAHA...

After Nearly Being Killed for His Atheism, Bangladeshi Blogger Still Faces Blasphemy Charges


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/06/29/after-nearly-being-killed-for-his-atheism-bangladeshi-blogger-still-faces-blasphemy-charges/

Save atheists! Islamists are slaughtering them in Bangladesh! (Warning: Violent Images)


http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013/02/23/save-atheists-islamists-are-slaughtering-them-in-bangladesh/

9jadelta: the op is either a pure hypocrite or just been economical with the truth.

I'm neither but you are entitled to your own opinion.

9jadelta: I don't think the topic really worth debating if the op is not ready to admit that there are fanatics willing to kill u for not believing in their god.

I never said that there weren't. I only said that it's a global phenomenon where people rather prefers to identify as theist, even in very tolerant countries;

In a religious country like Nigeria, it's understandable, because of the stigma that a non-believer might be subjected to, but in a secular nation like the United States where 98.5%(77% as Christians) of the population identify with either the Christian faith, Judaism, Islam, and Buddhaism, one couldn't help but wonder where in the blue moon are the same atheists that are making so much noise online?

Read my lips.

9jadelta: even a christian that still believes in god gets killed by Muslims that felt they are worshiping wrong god let alone someone that doesn't believe in any .. Imagine asking someone in Iraq or Pakistan to declare he is atheist in public in a country where 95% of its citizens are fanatic

I already excused religious countries like Nigeria which includes your Favorite excuses like Iraq and Pakistan.

Nigeria for that matter, is not as half bad as those aforementioned middle eastern countries, so what is really your excuses.

FrostyZonn:

BWAHAHAHAHA...

My version of LOL.

9jadelta: Texas man allegedly killed soldier for not believing in God

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/texas-man-allegedly-killed-soldier-for-not-believing-in-god/

9jadelta: After Nearly Being Killed for His Atheism, Bangladeshi Blogger Still Faces Blasphemy Charges


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/06/29/after-nearly-being-killed-for-his-atheism-bangladeshi-blogger-still-faces-blasphemy-charges/

9jadelta: Save atheists! Islamists are slaughtering them in Bangladesh! (Warning: Violent Images)


http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013/02/23/save-atheists-islamists-are-slaughtering-them-in-bangladesh/

You are simply fishing. Surely, you can do better than that?

musKeeto:
My version of LOL.

FrostyZonn:

Those that denied their faith weren't, yes.

And u are equating Belief to Non-Belief... Not believing is the only requirement to being an atheist...
Lying about it is just that, LYING! It doesn't make u any less of an atheist.

FrostyZonn:

That's exactly what it implies, I'm afraid.



Easier said than done. It's all very good and proper to display fake braggadocio in an anonymous online forum, but a different ball game in reality, dude.



Good for you in your dream world.

Lol, i no sabi argue
I don tell u wetin i kno, if u say na dream no problem.
And this fakr barggado online wey u dey yarn abt, am very sure if i didnt comment on this thread, u wouldn't even have knw me as i don't frequent religious section.

Same way i don't endulge in religious argument in real life.

#bottom line
Believe it or not, i have met many vocal atheist in real life.

Aafulenu:
Believe it or not, i have met many vocal atheist in real life.

Well a lot of Nairaland atheists doesn't seem to agree with you. According to them, it's better to stay closeted than stake their claim in public, for fear of stigma.

The far of religious bigots is the beginning of wisdom...lol!

FrostyZonn:

You are simply fishing. Surely, you can do better than that?

*yawns*

AVmonster:
And u are equating Belief to Non-Belief... Not believing is the only requirement to being an atheist...
Lying about it is just that, LYING! It doesn't make u any less of an atheist.

What's your point??

FrostyZonn:

Yes, I would. If they are bold enough to create Facebook profiles detailing their faith or lack of thereof, what then is stopping them from going pubic with it? What are they afraid of? The inevitable whip lash from the public or from their families that doesn't patronize the social media, perhaps? That can only be construed as double standardness from the so-called atheist, if you ask me.

I will appreciate it the day your pastor build a church in Mecca. Anything from this, your thread is just a complete trash

FrostyZonn:

What's your point??

They have no obligation to tell you what they truly believe.. Not doing so doesn't make them anything less of who they are..

FOLYKAZE:

I will appreciate it the day your pastor build a church in Mecca. Anything from this, your thread is just a complete trash

You are entitled to your own opinion.

AVmonster:
They have no obligation to tell you what they truly believe.. Not doing so doesn't make them anything less of who they are..

Typical. You don't get it just like all the others. No one expected it of them, which is why they should be more vocal in public as they are on internets. Unless, they prefers the anonymity which can only be interpreted by a non-atheist as being ashamed or afraid.

In some of these societies you call, being an atheist means at least ostracization, banishment leading to a loss in the ability to effect the lives of those around you you love and yourself. In some cases it literally costs one his life, yet you expect atheists to go about advertising their non-existent doctrine?

And as already pointed, there are a few who wouldn't shy away in most scenarios, like me. Eg, when applying for a passport i just put in muslim (i had enough trouble trying to convince them i'm nigerian, even threatened with arrest, really don't know why..). In just about every other scenario, especially social ones, i'm not going to lie. It comes with a price, but i'm prepared to pay as i'm rather selfish and shun responsibilities when i can, therefore have very few people relying on me. Is that enough for you?

Perhaps you expect homosexuals to indiscriminately advertise themselves as well, as it's the 'brave' thing to do, yes? Here's an idea, what if you don't know any atheists IRL because you're an intolerant bigot they don't care to bother with?

Honorable mention of theists that flood secular nations and play by secular rules, mostly because they have no choice.

Op, this is obvious butt hurt. Whoever did the ra.ping should apologise to you, really. On his/her behalf, sorry... Here's a pic of kitteh, it will make you happy

wiegraf: In some of these societies you call, being an atheist means at least ostracization, banishment leading to a loss in the ability to effect the lives of those around you you love and yourself. In some cases it literally costs one his life, yet you expect atheists to go about advertising their non-existent doctrine?

The same old song and excuses.

*Yawns*

This is getting old.

wiegraf: And as already pointed, there are a few who wouldn't shy away in most scenarios, like me. Eg, when applying for a passport i just put in muslim (i had enough trouble trying to convince them i'm nigerian, even threatened with arrest, really don't know why..). In just about every other scenario, especially social ones, i'm not going to lie. It comes with a price, but i'm prepared to pay as i'm rather selfish and shun responsibilities when i can, therefore have very few people relying on me. Is that enough for you?

*Yawns*

wiegra: Perhaps you expect homosexuals to indiscriminately advertise themselves as well, as it's the 'brave' thing to do, yes? Here's an idea, what if you don't know any atheists IRL because you're an intolerant bigot they don't care to bother with?

So atheism can now be likened to homosexualism, heh? Interesting. I never know your kind see yourselfs as such...but wait, both shares closet things both in Nigeria and diaspora...

Hmn...it's starting to make sense.

wiegraf: Honorable mention of theists that flood secular nations and play by secular rules, mostly because they have no choice.

*Yawns*

wiegraf: Op, this is obvious butt hurt. Whoever did the ra.ping should apologise to you, really. On his/her behalf, sorry... Here's a pic of kitteh, it will make you happy

*Snooze Mode*