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Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 1:40pm On Sep 04, 2013
There are so much end-time threads on Nl these days, one wonders with amusement why NL christians are so eager to ditch this world for better offerings promised in the bible.

But what is interesting is that the many end-time teachings are all different, and sometimes contradict one another.

Or, maybe I am the one who is not understanding them properly.

Therefore I would love for someone to carefully explain to me the following;

1. What is Rapture, and does it happen before of after Armagedon and judgement?

2. Does rapture come before Jesus arrival or after?

3. What is Armegedon, and does it come before or after Jesus arrival?

4. Does Armagedon come before or after judgement?

5. What is judgement day, and does it come before or after rapture, armegedon, and jesus arrival.

6. What about the 1000yrs of Jesus Reign on earth? How does that fit into all these scenarios?.

7. And, after all these events have taken place, what next? Will the Earth be blown up, or left desolate like Mars? (could that be what happened to Mars? lol)

8. What about other living things like plants and animals? What is in their future?
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Kween1: 2:14pm On Sep 04, 2013
Read your BIBLE and asked the HOLY SPIRIT for interpretation.

Don't let anyone decieve u.

End Time is Near....
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 2:20pm On Sep 04, 2013
Kween1: Read your BIBLE and asked the HOLY SPIRIT for interpretation.

Don't let anyone decieve u.

End Time is Near....

In other words, you are confused as well?

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 2:25pm On Sep 04, 2013
grin grin

Plaetton.. I look forward to your threads these days..

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 2:25pm On Sep 04, 2013
We need Obadiah on this thread... undecided
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by HumbledbYGrace(f): 2:39pm On Sep 04, 2013
aManFromMars: We need Obadiah on this thread... undecided
I saw somehwere where its Plaeton asked if the world will be isoleted like Mars so since you are from Mars can you please enlighten us about what happened to your home for it to be isolated the way it is?

And the end time team, be way its getting boring so beware you won't get banned for derailing threads with your 'end time' stuff.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 2:58pm On Sep 04, 2013
HumbledbYGrace: I saw somehwere where its Plaeton asked if the world will be isoleted like Mars so since you are from Mars can you please enlighten us about what happened to your home for it to be isolated the way it is?

And the end time team, be way its getting boring so beware you won't get banned for derailing threads with your 'end time' stuff.

Mars isn't isolated. You earthlings just can't see us. We haven't permitted you to.. wink

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by HumbledbYGrace(f): 3:00pm On Sep 04, 2013
aManFromMars:

Mars isn't isolated. You earthlings just can't see us. We haven't permitted you to.. wink
but we can see you tongue
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 3:36pm On Sep 04, 2013
@op.

You confusion is understandable. it is true that apostle Paul's words at 1cor. 15 sounds as if those alive will change their fleshly bodies to that of spirit spontaneously, but a close consideration of the verse shows that it is after death that one will put on a spirit body to live in heaven. but it will be IMMEDIATELY after the person's death during the presence of the lord.

secondly, you need to bear in mind that Christ's presence covers a period of time.

these summary will help:

- no one has gone to heaven before Christ's presence.

- the presence covers a period of time.

- shortly the tribulation will come. it is this tribulation that will culminate in the war of armaggedon.

- after armaggedon, there will be the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. these resurrected humans will live under the rulership of Jesus and his corulers (those that went to heaven during his presence). john 5: 28, 29

Jesus and his corulers will rule for a thousand years. it is this one thousand year period that is called the judgement day. (a day in God's sight is one thousand years in our eyes. 2peter 3:cool (Rev. 20 - end.)

the unrighteous ones to be resurrected are logically not the ones who has been destroyed in any aspect of judgemental destruction. eg flood of Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorroh, armaggedon.

after the one thousand years of Jesus uninterrupted rulership, the devil will be released from prison to test those who had enjoyed the period of peace of a thousand years. No doubt there will be a bible education work during the thousand years for the unrighteous before satan will be released. Rev. 20:7-9.

- after the destruction of satan and his cohorts, Christ will hand over rulership to his father. 1cor. 15:28. by this time, no longer will death appear again.

Remember that those faithfuls who were raised to heaven will never experience satan's temptation during the thousand years, and in turn can never die or experience the second death or total obliteration.

those who stand the risk of experiencing the second death are those righteous and unrighteous who will live on earth under the heavenly rulership of Jesus and his corulers. Rev. 20:6.

This is just a summary. further questions will bring more scripture to light.

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by ninja4life(m): 3:49pm On Sep 04, 2013
Hehe nonsense op questioning d things of d spirit abeg wat do we call dis na end time o
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 3:50pm On Sep 04, 2013
@jman05
Thanks for your sincere effort, but I have to tell you, you have woven an even more complicated web.
Omg. I am even ten times more confused.
Your scenarios have far too many holes and contradicts.
Far too many too many questions.
I hope you are ready to start answering them.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 3:58pm On Sep 04, 2013
ninja4life: Hehe nonsense op questioning d things of d spirit abeg wat do we call dis na end time o

Well, if the things of the spirit are not discernable with our human brains, then either that god should not have given us a brain at all, or, the things of the spirit are totally irrelevant to human life on earth.

What do you think?
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:57pm On Sep 04, 2013
Obadiah is needed at this period of time.......

He said the world will end before 2016.....still watching his back
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 5:03pm On Sep 04, 2013
FOLYKAZE: Obadiah is needed at this period of time.......

He said the world will end before 2016.....still watching his back
never mind 2016. try 2013 grin grin

oh by the way i see Plaetton is starting to sweat. end time tinz bruv lol. atheists are starting to sweat

aManFromMars: We need Obadiah on this thread... undecided
for what ? yall continue yall atheism man. lol grin grin

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:22pm On Sep 04, 2013
obadiah777: never mind 2016. try 2013 grin grin

You good for one thing.....change with environment like chameleon. Lol

There will be no world war 3......mark that.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:25pm On Sep 04, 2013
JMAN05: @op.

You confusion is understandable. it is true that apostle Paul's words at 1cor. 15 sounds as if those alive will change their fleshly bodies to that of spirit spontaneously, but a close consideration of the verse shows that it is after death that one will put on a spirit body to live in heaven. but it will be IMMEDIATELY after the person's death during the presence of the lord.

secondly, you need to bear in mind that Christ's presence covers a period of time.

these summary will help:

- no one has gone to heaven before Christ's presence.

- the presence covers a period of time.

- shortly the tribulation will come. it is this tribulation that will culminate in the war of armaggedon.

- after armaggedon, there will be the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. these resurrected humans will live under the rulership of Jesus and his corulers (those that went to heaven during his presence). john 5: 28, 29

Jesus and his corulers will rule for a thousand years. it is this one thousand year period that is called the judgement day. (a day in God's sight is one thousand years in our eyes. 2peter 3:cool (Rev. 20 - end.)

the unrighteous ones to be resurrected are logically not the ones who has been destroyed in any aspect of judgemental destruction. eg flood of Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorroh, armaggedon.

after the one thousand years of Jesus uninterrupted rulership, the devil will be released from prison to test those who had enjoyed the period of peace of a thousand years. No doubt there will be a bible education work during the thousand years for the unrighteous before satan will be released. Rev. 20:7-9.

- after the destruction of satan and his cohorts, Christ will hand over rulership to his father. 1cor. 15:28. by this time, no longer will death appear again.

Remember that those faithfuls who were raised to heaven will never experience satan's temptation during the thousand years, and in turn can never die or experience the second death or total obliteration.

those who stand the risk of experiencing the second death are those righteous and unrighteous who will live on earth under the heavenly rulership of Jesus and his corulers. Rev. 20:6.

This is just a summary. further questions will bring more scripture to light.


A church is a place in which gentlemen who have never been to heaven brag about it to persons who will never get there.

A christian is the person that dream of heaven as a last resort when he destroy his own world and cant do anything to make it a better place.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 5:27pm On Sep 04, 2013
JMAN05: @op.

but a close consideration of the verse shows that it is after death that one will put on a spirit body to live in heaven. but it will be IMMEDIATELY after the person's death during the presence of the lord.
Pls examine your words carefully.
We know that upon death, the body dissolves into it's constituent elements. Right?
Now, if you say that one will put on a spiritual body, I ask you, into what does one put on a spiritual body?

If one puts on a spiritual body immedietly after death to live in heaven, then everything else you have written below that is false.

JMAN05: @op.


secondly, you need to bear in mind that Christ's presence covers a period of time.

these summary will help:

- no one has gone to heaven before Christ's presence.

- the presence covers a period of time.


What exactly does all that mean in simple english??
And how did you come to know that?


JMAN05:
- shortly the tribulation will come. it is this tribulation that will culminate in the war of armaggedon.


What do you mean by tribulation? Tribulation means conflict and chaos. Not so?
So conflict and chaos will lead to armaggedon.
Armeggedon means total destruction, and total destruction means total or near total extinction of life on earth.

And by the way who is going to be fighting whom?

So armaggedon ensures the total or near total destruction of life and earth, then what?

JMAN05:

- after armaggedon, there will be the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous.


In other words, everyone will be resurrected and alive again?

Then what would have been the point of the armaggedon if everyone was going to be resurrected?

And, by resurrrected, do mean everyone that has ever lived on earth from the time of creation?


JMAN05: @op.

these resurrected humans will live under the rulership of Jesus and his corulers (those that went to heaven during his presence). john 5: 28, 29


When you say these resurrected humans, what do you mean? But You just said all the righteous and unrighteous humans will resurrect. That means all humans fall into one of these two categories. Not so?

When did Jesus arrive on the scene? was it before , during or after the tribulation and armaggedon?

Who is going to make him ruler of the earth. Are you assuming that the war of armaggedon will turn out in his favour?
And why would the prince of peace fight a war that would destroy the earth and all life in it? Could he not wage this war in space to avoid human casualties?
And who are his co-rulers?
Will they be human or non human?

JMAN05: @op.


Jesus and his corulers will rule for a thousand years. it is this one thousand year period that is called the judgement day. (a day in God's sight is one thousand years in our eyes. 2peter 3:cool (Rev. 20 - end.)


Why would jesus need co-rulers? Are you referring to a coalition government, by any chance?
And what type of government is this going to be?
The modern world has grown very fond of the democracy, and I don't think anyone will want to revert back to a theocratic ,authoritarian ot totalitarian rule by any name .

Who is going to repair the destroyed earth and the infrastructures and technologies that makes life bearable, since all government agencies would have ceased to exist?

A thousand years reign will be too much. Will bring too much problems. Enough time to ferment dissent and rebellion.
You and you are assuming that Jesus and his co-rulers will live that long?

Also, in those thousand years, everyone will also live, work, enjoy, reproduce,face temptations, sin and die, right?

So, what exactly would be the point in all that?

JMAN05: @op.

after the one thousand years of Jesus uninterrupted rulership, the devil will be released from prison to test those who had enjoyed the period of peace of a thousand years. No doubt there will be a bible education work during the thousand years for the unrighteous before satan will be released. Rev. 20:7-9.


What?

Satan would still be alive? Why

The whole idea of putting someone in prison is for rehabilitation.
So Jesus wants to rehabilitate satan?
Why not start now and avoid the whole mess altogether?

So satan would be released from prison to test us again?
Why?
This is no longer a laughing matter.
That sounds very very sadistic.
A game being played by a deranged psychopath.


JMAN05:
- after the destruction of satan and his cohorts, Christ will hand over rulership to his father. 1cor. 15:28. by this time, no longer will death appear again.


What, again?

So Jesus arrests satan, puts him and his army in prison for a thousand years, then releases him to tempt the faithful, then launches another war to destroy satan and his cohorts: meaning that the original armageddon was a failure?
Unbelievable!


JMAN05: @op.


Remember that those faithfuls who were raised to heaven will never experience satan's temptation during the thousand years, and in turn can never die or experience the second death or total obliteration.

those who stand the risk of experiencing the second death are those righteous and unrighteous who will live on earth under the heavenly rulership of Jesus and his corulers. Rev. 20:6.


I have noooooo idea what you are talking about here. I dont think it is in English.



JMAN05:
This is just a summary. further questions will bring more scripture to light.

If this is just the summary, then the full story would make an excellent never-ending horror movie. grin


JMAN05: @op.

You confusion is understandable.

Oh thanks. But I'm now feeling more sorry for you. My confusion seems to pail in comparison to yours. shocked
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 5:28pm On Sep 04, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

You good for one thing.....change with environment like chameleon. Lol

There will be no world war 3......mark that.

ok now lol. i hope you dont quit this site before the end of the year.

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by MostHigh: 5:57pm On Sep 04, 2013
obadiah777: ok now lol. i hope you dont quit this site before the end of the year.

He sure will Sire Once the first missle goes off grin

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by MostHigh: 6:01pm On Sep 04, 2013
obadiah777: never mind 2016. try 2013 grin grin

oh by the way i see Plaetton is starting to sweat. end time tinz bruv lol. atheists are starting to sweat

for what ? yall continue yall atheism man. lol grin grin

Many scoffers starting to sweat sire grin

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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:17pm On Sep 04, 2013
obadiah777: ok now lol. i hope you dont quit this site before the end of the year.

Lol. No probs man
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by MostHigh: 6:32pm On Sep 04, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

You good for one thing.....change with environment like chameleon. Lol

There will be no world war 3......mark that.


Joker grin
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:56pm On Sep 04, 2013
MostHigh:

Joker grin

JMAN05 contributed to the thread. Your version is like cattle egret that cant live but roll round cattle. You got nothing to offer.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by MostHigh: 7:14pm On Sep 04, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

JMAN05 contributed to the thread. Your version is like cattle egret that cant live but roll round cattle. You got nothing to offer.




grin
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by Nobody: 7:27pm On Sep 04, 2013
plaetton: @jman05
Thanks for your sincere effort, but I have to tell you, you have woven an even more complicated web.
Omg. I am even ten times more confused.
Your scenarios have far too many holes and contradicts.
Far too many too many questions.
I hope you are ready to start answering them.

please are you an atheist? If you are, then you wont understand.

your questions above indicates that you know little about the bible or that you are simply an atheist.

If you read those bible portions i gave, your questions should not go like that. for eg, the bible says Jesus will have corulers. if you believe the bible, you wont ask such questions.

that satan's prison is a place of rehabilitation cast more prove to my conclusion. you ve not heard about the abyss before in the bible?

again, if you an atheist you CAN NEVER understand unless you start believing the bible to be true.

I expect question from a christian.

tackling your problem will start from, does God exist? is the bible true or false?

as far as you do not satisfy yourself with this answers to those questions, you can never understand.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 8:08pm On Sep 04, 2013
JMAN05:

please are you an atheist? If you are, then you wont understand.

your questions above indicates that you know little about the bible or that you are simply an atheist.

If you read those bible portions i gave, your questions should not go like that. for eg, the bible says Jesus will have corulers. if you believe the bible, you wont ask such questions.

that satan's prison is a place of rehabilitation cast more prove to my conclusion. you ve not heard about the abyss before in the bible?

again, if you an atheist you CAN NEVER understand unless you start believing the bible to be true.

I expect question from a christian.

tackling your problem will start from, does God exist? is the bible true or false?

as far as you do not satisfy yourself with this answers to those questions, you can never understand.

He he he.
So just call me an atheist, and then case closed?.
Haba!

I opened this thread to ask for clarifications on what I read in the bible.
If I cannot understand the bible, and you cannot explain what is written, then of what use is it?

Why waste your time babbling and babbling if you do not know what you are babbling about , or how to explain it to another person.

Are you saying that if I am not a christian, then I cannot be able to understand what is written in the bible?

All the questions I asked where very valid questions that any sunday school child would ask.

What I think has happened here is that I have inadvertently shown you how very confused you are about what you believe.

I would have felt better if you had simply told me that only holy spirit can answer those questions. lol

Well, I am human, and I need simple human answers to those questions.

So please come again.
Try again, I am listening.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by truthislight: 8:11pm On Sep 04, 2013
grin

very curious i am.

Not when the "evil genius" himself is at work !

Ah !

About this:
plaetton:
Pls examine your words carefully.
We know that upon death, the body dissolves into it's constituent elements. Right?


Mmmmmm !

Even the yam you eat have to completely desolved into the soil befor it produces a new stem right ?

Ah ! How easily we overlook reality of nature, especially if it comes from this angle >>> religion to an atheist.
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by truthislight: 8:25pm On Sep 04, 2013
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Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 8:25pm On Sep 04, 2013
truthislight: grin

very curious i am.

Not when the "evil genius" himself is at work !

Ah !

About this:


Mmmmmm !

Even the yam you eat have to completely desolved into the soil befor it produces a new stem right ?

Ah ! How easily we overlook reality of nature, especially if it comes from this angle >>> religion to an atheist.

Yeah. smiley
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by truthislight: 8:37pm On Sep 04, 2013
plaetton:

He he he.
So just call me an atheist, and then case closed?.
Haba!

I opened this thread to ask for clarifications on what I read in the bible.
If I cannot understand the bible, and you cannot explain what is written, then of what use is it?

Why waste your time babbling and babbling if you do not know what you are babbling about , or how to explain it to another person.

Are you saying that if I am not a christian, then I cannot be able to understand what is written in the bible?

All the questions I asked where very valid questions that any sunday school child would ask.

What I think has happened here is that I have inadvertently shown you how very confused you are about what you believe.

I would have felt better if you had simply told me that only holy spirit can answer those questions. lol

Well, I am human, and I need simple human answers to those questions.

So please come again.
Try again, I am listening.

But sarcasm is hardly the way to learn i guess undecided
Re: Rapture, Armagedon, Second Coming ,and Final Judgement: I'm Confused by plaetton: 8:43pm On Sep 04, 2013
truthislight:

But sarcasm is hardly the way to learn i guess undecided

There is nothing more sarcastic than telling someone that he cannot understand certain ideas or precepts because he is an atheists.In other words, i have some kind of mental deficiency that prevents me from understanding simple written words in english.

Such is usually a copout, and I'm not shy to point it out.

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