When the going was good, Queen made Mugabe a Knight of British Empire.

Can we ask Queen why was this done?

Because they provided weapon for him to fight Ian Smith, who was going to shame the last of British Empire.

How times has changed.

Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe's honorary Knighthood is to be withdrawn by the Queen, the BBC has learned.

Mr Mugabe, condemned over violence ahead of a presidential run-off election, was made a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath in 1994.

landis:

When the going was good, Queen made Mugabe a Knight of British Empire.

Can we ask Queen why was this done?

Because they provided weapon for him to fight Ian Smith, who was going to shame the last of British Empire.

How times has changed.

You've made this point over and over. Yes, people change. So what?
When the going was good was Abacha not a 'hero' of the federal republic of Nigeria (after allegedly masterminding the defense against Orkar's coup)
Mugabe chose a path fro himself, choosing to cling on to power perpetually. From being a hero of his people he's now a distrusted and feared figure.


But i don't care about all this. You see, despite the fact that you guys snigger and sneer and call Kobojunkie names like 'uncle tom' and 'house nigger' you fail to realise one thing. He's shown far more concern for his fellow blacks sufferingin zimbabwe than you have.

For you, this is a political issue, an opportunity to score some cheap jibes against the west.

For decent African brothers, we see suffering in zimbabwe. Suffering and starvation in a fellow black nation brought about largely by Mugabe's thuggery and lack of common sense in destroying his country's capacity to feed itself.


Choose what you want. on one hand you have politics and cheap jibes. on the other hand you have suffering. I think i know where you've pitched your tent.

@poster
exactly my point,the duo of united kingdom supported by unied states are spitting their bib out because the deal between them and mugabe s gone sour and he chased the tenants out, they ll always interfere when they r protecting their interests either directly or indirectly

lucabrasi:

@poster
exactly my point,the duo of united kingdom supported by unied states are spitting their bib out because the deal between them and mugabe s gone sour and he chased the tenants out, they ll always interfere when they r protecting their interests either directly or indirectly

All you talk about is
1. US and UK
2. Mugabe as a hero
3. US & UK interests



NOTHING about the millions starving in zimbabwe. Nothing about the tens of thousands running off to South Africa to eke out a living and in the process being victims of the wave of xenophobia. Nothing about the zimbabweans living on international aid. Nothing about the thuggery, the reported deaths of opposition supporters due to state sponsored violence.
NOTHING to show you care about the welfare of your fellow black man.

Now who's the traitor?

NOTHING about the millions starving in zimbabwe. Nothing about the tens of thousands running off to South Africa to eke out a living and in the process being victims of the wave of xenophobia. Nothing about the zimbabweans living on international aid. Nothing about the thuggery, the reported deaths of opposition supporters due to state sponsored violence.
NOTHING to show you care about the welfare of your fellow black man.

It is normal, when two elephant fights, grass suffers. sad but true.

If Mugabe actually brought all these suffering, why are the ordinary people still fighting for him??

The pictures they show were civilians runing around the street for mugabe. Thats show he has support.

where are the people runing around for MDC?

Same problem was in Kenya.  but you see Odinga people  + Kibaki on each other necks: Thats only reason Odinga was made PM of Kenya.

The people running around were Zanu PF thugs

The MDC supporters were running all right. Running for cover, for safety from beatings.

'ants suffer', eh? When was the last time you were beaten?

PS: If Abacha was a bad man, why was there a 2 million youth march for him to remain as a lifetime president? Why did many of your musical legends perform at that occassion?

Africans make good sycophants. Doubt me? Go ask Adedibu

texazzpete:

The people running around were Zanu PF thugs

The MDC supporters were running all right. Running for cover, for safety from beatings.

'ants suffer', eh? When was the last time you were beaten?

PS: If Abacha was a bad man, why was there a 2 million youth march for him to remain as a lifetime president? Why did many of your musical legends perform at that occassion?

Africans make good sycophants. Doubt me? Go ask Adedibu

But Adedibu is rotting away down below?!

Mugabe has been stripped of his knighthood. Is that going to make life any better for the people of Zimbabwe?
Mandela was literally forced to speak against Mugabe. Why was he not forced to speak about and intervene in other troubled African countries?

Morgan Tsvangirai told his supporters to vote if necessary to avoid violent reprisals.

"What difference does it make?" he said. "This government is illegitimate, it will remain so."

Question is:

what if his supporter votes and he WINs?

Will he still say its Illegitimate??

texazzpete:

All you talk about is
1. US and UK
2. Mugabe as a hero
3. US & UK interests



NOTHING about the millions starving in zimbabwe. Nothing about the tens of thousands running off to South Africa to eke out a living and in the process being victims of the wave of xenophobia. Nothing about the zimbabweans living on international aid. Nothing about the thuggery, the reported deaths of opposition supporters due to state sponsored violence.
NOTHING to show you care about the welfare of your fellow black man.

Now who's the traitor?

i never said mugabe was a hero,all im saying is that how come the us and uk suddenly realised they r their brother's keeper when it got to the zimbabwean issue when they have all but ignored the conflicts in other parts of africa save half hearted efforts at best?
like someone said,we all know mugabe is a dictator and he needs to leave but we shouldnt be deceived to think with the exit of mugabe and tsv in everything will be peachy and rosey like the western media are making us to believe,like i remarked in another thread we have seen this scenario before (remember the build up to iraq and the wmd)also who s to say that tsv wont rebel against his paymasters like sir mugabe did?
for him to have been knighted and not given an obe or cbe means he must have been extremely important to brit interests(go check how many black knights there are)so if their main qualities is that tsv will dance to their tunes do they have the interest of the zimbabweans at heart?i dont think so
so im certainly not the traitor here as u put it,or not insensitive to the plights of these guys
@post
someone said mugabe has supporters,as sad as that is,it is true and the western meddlesomeness and blackmail and breathn down other parts of africas neck amongst other things they v been doing since all these conflicts (for want of a better word)has won mugabe some supporters and i wont be suprised if al quaeda gets in touch and offers to give him aid
im sure we all know that either mugabe is right or wrong,he is an hero to some ppl either inside or outside zimbabwe for thumbing his nose at the west and tha

The UK is only a whim of neocolonialism.They should leave the Zims alone to rule themselves and enjoy the dividend of her sovereignty as an independent nation.
The TSV of MDC was only living on the script of the west,finally seeking refuge in the Dutch embassy is a clear indication of the faces of his masters.
The nationals should fight for their libration and let Mugabe give way to a new leader.If not the British ancestral linage in Zim,do they actually care?They should go to Somalia.DRC etc and give them help if they need people to help.
Those criticising Mugabe here should go and librate Nigeria before looking  at Zims problem.
Nigeria with over 140m people, yet over 70% are just exiting without a "life".You are here talking about Zim citizens.Most people here are been sponsored with our looted money to the detriment of the masses,why do you think the the issues today of Nigeria(Niger delta,Cultism,social vices) is not borne out of the Marxist principle of-

-a belief that capitalism is based on the exploitation of workers by the owners of capital
-a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects the dominant ideology which is in turn shaped by material conditions and relations of production
-an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations
-an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable
-a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change
-a belief that this dialectical historical process will ultimately result in a replacement of the current class structure of society with a system that manages society for the good of all, resulting in the dissolution of the class structure and its support (more often than not including the nation state)
We should librate our consciousness and self lessness for the good of the masses.