See how demented you are, you are the same person posting rubbish about the Yorubas going after Stella Odua for corruption and now you have the balls to complain about the Academic Staff Union, a body that as contributed to the growth of this nation than all the past Nigerian Presidents put together.....You must be smoking some really wet Seattle weed!

You will only get what you wish for, when will ASUU member too will be able to afford 225M cars for their safety?

No surprised eastern Nigerian educational system has not recovered since the Barbarian( Biafran) war.....awon oni jekuje!

cjrane: [size=15pt]No work, No Pay is the best thing ever implemented in the strikes especially in the basterdized educational sector.

From the mid 1980s lecturers have become very lazy,most cannot even teach continuously for one year because they have become accustomed to always going on long strikes for 6 months or more, knowing the Government will pay them for the time they spent traveling and fooling around the world instead of teaching the students.

For once, lets be serious as a country and pay for only the time the lecturers are doing what they are being paid for.[/size]

Itz high time NLC interferes with an industrial strike

Promhize:

So only benefactors can call people ingrate, hmm, reminds me Einstein's words "if a clustered desk is a sign of clustered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?"

Get a dictionary and place it on your desk (literally)

like I said earlier, you need to start understanding simple statements. What has anyone done for them that they didn't work for & should be grateful for?

wasak:
if ASUU. is truly fighting for d betterment of the system y can't they make do with d funds provided? y can't they manage it and come for more later? what the hell is the meaning of examination and supervision allowance? where the hell is the internally generated revenue of the universities?
Please don't infuriate me with ur sentimental comment...

You are a Capital FOOL....... So they should manage the funds and come for more with another strike abii or do you think the FG can be trusted by giving them more easily.............. Frustrated Fellow

touch4mony: has fg not given them 130billion and asked them to go back to class room so they can going on from their and the money is now with the skulz what has ASUU don on their own side

HAhaa!! See ur english... No wonder u dey support FG. I sure say u no dey skul (on lie o...)

vivacious vivi:

Can the FG afford the money? yes. maybe it should be paid in phases.

i think FG has already offered to do dat..... why is ASUU not willing to shift grounds if the whole nonsense isnt political

Swiz doe: You are a Capital FOOL....... So they should manage the funds and come for more with another strike abii or do you think the FG can be trusted by giving them more easily.............. Frustrated Fellow

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I ain't a frustrated fellow but an undeniable fact remains the fact that the ongoing ASUU strike is far from being in the interests of the students... lecturers hate students beyond that... they are fighting for better offices and fatter pockets... that I'm sure of

prof.femi:


Don't misunderstand things. ASUU is primarily fighting for (a) its members (b) the Nigerian tertiary education system. We are not fighting for students in the sense of reducing their fees. We are fighting for students in the sense that the education you're getting is basically worthless, and (hopefully) with the right injection of funds, you are more *likely* to get a proper education. Gedit?

How much did you pay as school fees during ur own time in the uni? And your now expecting others to pay differently. If you did not see anything wrong with paying cheap school fees then, then there is nothing wrong with students being comfortable with the current school fees. As you can see GEJ has been too lenient on ASUU.

ig.chuka:
How much did you pay as school fees during ur own time in the uni? And your now expecting others to pay differently. If you did not see anything wrong with paying cheap school fees then, then there is nothing wrong with students being comfortable with the current school fees. As you can see GEJ has been too lenient on ASUU.

If indeed read my posts, you will find that my anger is that students are kicking ASUU for demanding for the appropriate funding for the FG. I maintain that someone, FG or students, needs to fund education. If the FG funds to the levels ASUU is asking for, there would be no need for increase in fees. However, if ASUU does as the students are asking and calls off now, then fees will almost certainly be increased. How does all this concern what fees I paid as a student?

vivacious vivi:

Thank you sir!
Stand your ground on this one. The FG is so selfish and this is evident not just in the deplorable state of our education system but in all aspects of governance. Enough is enough. Do not allow yourselves to be bullied. I am so surprised someone mentioned that what lecturers (I am understanding this to mean faculty staff including professors) remuneration are sufficient! So annoying........Thats why we can never have unity in this country. Doctors go on strike , people start abusing them that they took a Hippocrates oath and blah blah blah. When its a proven fact that a conducive work environment and the right motivational tools make up good hygiene factors that ensure loyalty and giving your all at the workplace.

The problem we have in this country is that we blame govt for every problem we are faced with. I tell you that if most of the lecturers were GEJ, they will do the same or even worse than what he is doing. If you think that you not being paid enough, resign and contest for election. It is not by force for you to teach. There is high unemployment in the country and retirement age of profs was increased to 70 years and ASUU did not see anything wrong with it. God help us

ig.chuka:
The problem we have in this country is that we blame govt for every problem we are faced with. I tell you that if most of the lectures were GEJ, they will do the same or even worse than what he is doing. If you think that you not being paid enough, resign and contest for election. It is not by force for you to teach. There is high unemployment in the country and retirement age of profs was increased to 70 years and ASUU did not see anything wrong with it. God help us

Actually, I posit that a bigger problem we have is that Nigerians rarely ever come to an issue with the requisite level of information, knowledge, or comprehension. Yet, we always hold our views strongly. Like you.

* case in point: while I personally do not agree with the 70-year rule, I happen to know exactly why it was successfully pushed through, which you obviously do not. If you care to ask, I will tell you.

Cajetan speaks: If you think being a senator is easy and juicy, just go pick a senatorial election form and contest this next election..

And you think becoming a professor is easy either? Which one is easier, becoming a senator or becoming a professor? All you need to become a senator is to do one dirty deal and become a millionaire and off you go, while becoming a professor will take you almost 15 -20years of active research and publication in a peer reviewed journal.

prof.femi:


If indeed read my posts, you will find that my anger is that students are kicking ASUU for demanding for the appropriate funding for the FG. I maintain that someone, FG or students, needs to fund education. If the FG funds to the levels ASUU is asking for, there would be no need for increase in fees. However, if ASUU does as the students are asking and calls off now, then fees will almost certainly be increased. How does all this concern what fees I paid as a student?

Tell me the fees you paid and the quality of education you received, then you will be able to know if (1) ASUU is fighting for students or being selfish and (2) Money/Infrastructure is the problem with our universities or Lack of passion/committment for teaching by our Lecturers. I think what ASUU has not been telling nigerians is that investment in education is a long term investment and unis abroad being referred to are over 200yrs old. If private unis with high school fees have not caught up with the likes of oxford, does it not tell you ASUU that manages FG unis will not also go far if the money is given to them. ASUU should be honest. Personally i dont see any difference between ASUU, NITEL AND PHCN workers. They all caused nigerians hardship and became irrelevant with time. ASUU is next on the line.

ig.chuka:
Tell me the fees you paid and the quality of education you received, then you will be able to know if (1) ASUU is fighting for students or being selfish and (2) Money/Infrastructure is the problem with our universities or Lack of passion/committment for teaching by our Lecturers. I think ASUU has not being saying is that investment in education is a long term investment and unis abroad being referred to are over 200yrs old. If private unis with high school have not gone far, does it not tell that ASUU manages FG unis will not also go far.

There are so many things wrong with your post that I will pass on a proper response - for now - and ask: are you currently a student, or have you already passed through the system? In case you weren't sure from my handle, I am an academic in a federal university. When I have your answer, I would know how best to respond to your future posts.

prof.femi:


Actually, I posit that a bigger problem we have is that Nigerians rarely ever come to an issue with the requisite level of information, knowledge, or comprehension. Yet, we always hold our views strongly. Like you.

* case in point: while I personally do not agree with the 70-year rule, I happen to know exactly why it was successfully pushed through, which you obviously do not. If you care to ask, I will tell you.

I've been going through your Posts and I must say... you really bring a fresh Perspective,not one I completely agree with;but a very rational and objective one.

But the Fact remains that;not all Lecturers are like you;Intellectually or Morally;and that is why Students find it difficult to give full Support to ASUU.

prof.femi:


There are so many things wrong with your post that I will pass on a proper response - for now - and ask: are you currently a student, or have you already passed through the system? In case you weren't sure from my handle, I am an academic in a federal university. When I have your answer, I would know how best to respond to your future posts.

I believe that you should be able to deduce where i fall into. Can you be re-roofing a house when the foundation is faulty? Any huge investment in unis will not produce fruit, because our foundation (primary and secondary schools) is faulty.
I think its a waste of money on unproductive FG unis when millions of nigerian children are not in school.

koonbey: I've been going through your Posts and I must say... you really bring a fresh Perspective,not one I completely agree with;but a very rational and objective one. But the Fact remains that;not all Lecturers are like you;Intellectually or Morally;and that is why Students find it difficult to give full Support to ASUU.

Thank you. At the risk of triggering pride detector alarms, I will agree with you: not all lecturers are like me. Just like there are many that I am better than in some regard, there are also those who are much better than me in almost every regard.

Actually, I agree with many of the statements made by students on this forum (e.g.that many lecturers are lazy, inept, or corrupt;that some of the points on the original agreement are questionable -70 years? Landed properties for ASUU? etc). However, where we disagree is that I can see the big picture, while the students apparently cannot.

To stand any chance of moving forward as a country, we need to get education (especially tertiary education) right. The current level of funding is less than 10% of what I think it should be (that figure is random by the way). The fact that the current class of lecturers comes with so much flotsam should not stop us from doing the right thing.

Incidentally:

1. A big reason why we have this problem with inept, lazy or corrupt lecturers is that we have not, since the 80's, been able to attract or retain the best minds consistently. I suspect you know, in your heart of hearts, why this is the case
2. There is *nothing* in the ASUU agreement with FG that stops them from holding us more accountable, or dealing with indolence or corruption in the system
3. Demanding proper levels of performance from lecturers, and properly funding universities, are not mutually exclusive activities
4. The education that students are clamoring to return to is (in most cases) useless, as anyone who surveys the Nigerian labor market will tell you
(I'll stop, not because I ran out of points, but so this doesn't become an epistle)

ig.chuka:
I believe that you should be able to deduce where i fall into. Can you be re-roofing a house when the foundation is faulty? Any huge investment in unis will not produce fruit, because our foundation (primary and secondary schools) is faulty.
I think its a waste of money on unproductive FG unis when millions of nigerian children are not in school.

Why should I deduce where you fall into? I believe you are not ashamed of what you are, whatever that is, so please be upfront. Don't assume I will think less of you just because you are a student (if you *are* a student). I however do need to understand the perspective you are likely to being to this debate, because I see so many misconceptions in your posts, and they are lowering the signal-to-noise ratio of your posts. If I understand your perspectives better, I will know which points to zero in on, okay? So please let me know what category of stakeholder you fall into.

prof.femi:


Why should I deduce where you fall into? I believe you are not ashamed of what you are, whatever that is, so please be upfront. Don't assume I will think less of you just because you are a student (if you *are* a student). I however do need to understand the perspective you are likely to being to this debate, because I see so many misconceptions in your posts, and they are lowering the signal-to-noise ratio of your posts. If I understand your perspectives better, I will know which points to zero in on, okay? So please let me know what category of stakeholder you fall into.

Not necessary, say ur mind if you wish to. I am not ashamed of where i am currently. I stayed in an academic environment for a long time, so am conversant with all that stuff. Who is to enforce compliance by lecturers? Is it not ASUU members? Do you expect GEJ to come to every uni and enforce? So as you can see ASUU, is a major player in the infrastructure decay.

ig.chuka:
Not necessary, say ur mind if you wish to. I am not ashamed of where i am currently. I stayed in an academic environment for a long time, so am conversant with all that stuff

Okay then. Like I said, your posts are riddled with misconceptions so there is too much to rebut. I will take those that I feel are weighty enough to inform yourself and other readers.

There is high unemployment in the country and retirement age of profs was increased to 70 years and ASUU did not see anything wrong with it

The 70-year clause came about because some departments found in so hard to attract or retain good new staff that they ran a risk of total collapse when the aging staff retired. This is an extreme case of the recruitment problem I often mention. In most departments, you can still employ lower-caliber gradates. However, for some lucrative disciplines, PhD-level personnel are so mobile that staffing becomes an issue. As I write this, a similar storm is brewing in *my own* department. Over the years, we have consistently lost staff in a particular sub-discipline, to the extent that, if the senior staff there today were to retire, that sub-discipline would collapse. And we are talking about one of the most important sub-disciplines in ALL OF ENGINEERING!

Hope this explanation about the 70-year clause helps. Like I mentioned earlier, I totally disagree with the blanket extension for all universities (and the fact that non-teaching staff quickly joined the train and now, even a driver gets to retire at 65, an age at which most of them rarely even seat in driver's seats of official cars). BUT...I can see where it all came from.

@Prof.Femi,This is sort of off-Topic but your Response would be very much appreciated; UNILORIN is not on Strike; they have very good Infrastructure and Facilities, in short;everything works smoothly there..yet their Tuition Fees is not high..why is that? what is it about them that other Varsities are not emulating??

koonbey: @Prof.Femi,This is sort of off-Topic but your Response would be very much appreciated; UNILORIN is not on Strike; they have very good Infrastructure and Facilities, in short;everything works smoothly there..yet their Tuition Fees are not high..why is that? what is it about them that other Varsities are not emulating??

I have not personally been to Ilorin recently, so please take this as just my (somewhat informed) opinion. There are a number of factors:

1) Ilorin is not better than other top Nigerian universities. What they have is a very stable academic calendar and a much saner system that attracts more goodwill in terms of top-level students and funding than they did in the past.

2) They get to brand themselves as the strike-free university, while benefiting as much as (and in some ways, more than) other universities that do the hard work of going on strike. Would you believe that while all other universities' students are groaning at home, and their lecturers are suffering no-work-no-pay, Unilorin is already planning to disburse their share of the initial FG N30 billion. Money they did not work for in any way.

3) Unilorin has a very good PRO machine, which cranks up the decibels in branding them as the unique Nigerian university where things work. This feeds back into the goodwill thing.

4) When all is said and done, even with those advantages, it is not right to say "they have very good Infrastructure and Facilities". On that front, they are at the same level as other top universities. There is rarely any top ranking in which Unilorin is ranked as high as my university for example.

5) Having said all this, and to give credit where it is due, I have to admit that Unilorin also seems to have a better leash on its staff, which leads to more accountability. In this regard however, they are not alone. I know other universities that are introducing measured to keep staff productivity high.

6) To be clear, if you detect a note of bitterness in my post, it is not directed at my colleagues in Ilorin. It is a result of my dislike of monkey-dey-work-baboon-dey-chop anywhere. If there's anyone my ire is directed towards, it is their university authorities, to the effect that they reap where they do not sow.

7) Although ASUU currently looks like the bad guy to Ilorin's good guy, history will vindicate ASUU. I am *absolutely* sure of this.[Hey, I should quickly add, I am not an ASUU lackey o! I rarely agree totally with the Union...or any unionists for that matter, lol]

Pdizzle: Prof. u actually changed my view abt this whole thing. Tnx for enlightening me sir

Thank you very much. It may make me sound small, but feedback like this are the real things that tempt me to stay on in this system just a little longer

prof.femi:


I have not personally been to Ilorin recently, so please take this as just my (somewhat informed) opinion. There are a number of factors:

1) Ilorin is not better than other top Nigerian universities. What they have is a very stable academic calendar and a much saner system that attracts more goodwill in terms of top-level students and funding than they did in the past.

2) They get to brand themselves as the strike-free university, while benefiting as much as (and in some ways, more than) other universities that do the hard work of going on strike. Would you believe that while all other universities' students are groaning at home, and their lecturers are suffering no-work-no-pay, Unilorin is already planning to disburse their share of the initial FG N30 billion. Money they did not work for in any way.

3) Unilorin has a very good PRO machine, which cranks up the decibels in branding them as the unique Nigerian university where things work. This feeds back into the goodwill thing.

4) When all is said and done, even with those advantages, it is not right to say "they have very good Infrastructure and Facilities". On that front, they are at the same level as other top universities. There is rarely any top ranking in which Unilorin is ranked as high as my university for example.

5) Having said all this, and to give credit where it is due, I have to admit that Unilorin also seems to have a better leash on its staff, which leads to more accountability. In this regard however, they are not alone. I know other universities that are introducing measured to keep staff productivity high.

6) To be clear, if you detect a note of bitterness in my post, it is not directed at my colleagues in Ilorin. It is a result of my dislike of monkey-dey-work-baboon-dey-chop anywhere. If there's anyone my ire is directed towards, it is their university authorities, to the effect that they reap where they do not sow.

7) Although ASUU currently looks like the bad guy to Ilorin's good guy, history will vindicate ASUU. I am *absolutely* sure of this.[Hey, I should quickly add, I am not an ASUU lackey o! I rarely agree totally with the Union...or any unionists for that matter, lol]

@the bolded;how do they go about having a

very stable academic calendar and a much saner system

,I'm sure you know that quite apart from the ASUU Strike,a number of Varsities have been having Problems internally,leading to a Topsy-turvy Calendar.

Why is it that UNILORIN doesn't go on Strike and yet benefits from the Fruits thereof; I've heard it said that the School Management pays an Amount to ASUU for every Day they don't Strike...

I ask this because none of the Higher Institutions in the State do go on Strike;including the Kwara Polytechnic(ASUP),I am wondering if other Governments cannot whatever KSG is doing to put an end to the Crises in the Sector.

koonbey: @the bolded;how do they go about having a ,I'm sure you know that quite apart from the ASUU Strike,a number of Varsities have been having Problems internally,leading to a Topsy-turvy Calendar.

Sorry, I do not want to give you an answer that is 75% conjecture, so, I can't really do justice to your questions...

prof.femi:


Sorry, I do not want to give you an answer that is 75% conjecture, so, I can't really do justice to your questions...

Okay,thank you.

McLuhan: Prof., let me apologise to you on behalf of the yokel who wrote those imbecilities. You must understand that it is for the sake of eliminating such ignorance that distinguished scholars such as yourself are embarking on the sacrifice of a strike. So, please ignore him for the sake of some of us who sincerely appreciate your worth and who welcome your scholarly and intellectual contributions to this forum. I write this with every sense of seriousness and sincerity.

Thank you very much McLuhan. It's always a pleasure to read your posts.

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