"For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;" (Hebrews 7:1).<<< Now lets get this story from the old testament and see what really happened between Abraham and Melchizedec

"And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king’s dale. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God." (Genesis 14:17-18).
"And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all." (Genesis 14:19-20).<< Now, when Abraham saw Melchizedec he was very happy, he rejoiced and Melchizedec blessed Abraham. Now lets goto that Hebrews and complete that verse.

"To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;" (Hebrews 7:2).<<< He was the king of righteousness and of peace, now who is that?

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." (Hebrews 7:3).<< Melchizedec had no father or mother or decent, Melchizedec had no beginning of days or end of life but He was made like unto Christ, he just popped out of no where, he abideth a Priest continually, a priest of the most high God.

Now lets see how Melchizedec is Christ without wasting time.

"Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?" (John 8:53).<< the Pharisees came asking Christ, they came asking if Christ is greater than Abraham.

"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. " (John 8:39).
"But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. " (John 8:40).<< now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, this did not Abraham, wow, Abraham did not try to kill Christ? Where the hell did Christ and Abraham meet?

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. " (John 8:56).<< Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Christ? Wait a minute, dont try to tell me these things happened in the Spirit world because they where talking about earthly things. What did Abraham do when he saw Melchizedec? He rejoiced to see Melchizedec.

"Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" (John 8:57).<< The jews were shocked and they asked Christ the same question am asking, you are not up to 50years old and you said you have seen Abraham? How is that even possible?

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " (John 8:58).<< wow, now you see Christ was Melchizedec, Christ is a priest, so was Melchizedec. Melchizedec has no beginning or end, so was Christ. Melchizedec king of Righteousness and Peace.

Hmmm

And take a look at this verse....

"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;" (Hebrews 3:1).<<Christ an high priest.

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." (Hebrews 7:3)<< He abideth a priest continually.

"For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." (Hebrews 7:17).<< Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Wow Melchizedec continues to be an high priest in Christ, so was christ in melchizedec.

This was the prophecy in the old testament.

"The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek." (Psalm 110:4).[b]

[b]"For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;" (Hebrews 7:26).<<An high priest is holy and undefiled, made higher than the heavens. Melchizedec was made higher that the heavens?

Now take a look at this.

"To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;" (Hebrews 7:2).<<< Melchidezec was without sin, so was Christ. He was the king of Righteousness and Peace, so was Christ.

Melchizedec is Christ...

martha: Hmmm

This is the truth mam. See for yourself.

I don't think any Christian would support you on this. Was this from the so called holy spirit?

OlaoChi: I don't think any Christian would support you on this. Was this from the so called holy spirit?

majority of Christians dont have the holy spirit mam. Because they dont keep the laws, scripture says keep my commandments and you will get understanding, so this is bigger than their understanding. Yes this was from the holy spirit. We were discussing on another thread about laws and grace and someone brought a verse concerning high priest, Jesus an high priest. I have read about Melchizedec in Genesis but i was seeing it in Hebrews for the first time, so i followed the path the holy spirit led me to, precept upon precept miss.

It is accepted by so many christian scholars and theologians that Christ is Melchizedec, this seems to be true comparing both of them, however since the bible didn't specifically state it, we may need to avoid speculations.

But then this implies reincarnation and core Christian doctrine dismisses reincarnation

MEILYN:


"For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." (Hebrews 7:17).<< Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Wow Melchizedec continues to be an high priest in Christ, so was christ in melchizedec.

You don't need anyone to help you understand the Scriptures a little bit, you need someone to help your confusion the more. Lemme help your confusion the more.

If, according to you, Christ is = Melchizedek. Then, that scripture above should read thus:

Thou, CHRIST art a priest forever after the order of CHRIST

OlaoChi: But then this implies reincarnation and core Christian doctrine dismisses reincarnation

Reincarnation/ Regeneration is biblical miss. I can prove it to you.

Goshen360:

You don't need anyone to help you understand the Scriptures a little bit, you need someone to help your confusion the more. Lemme help your confusion the more.

If, according to you, Christ is = Melchizedek. Then, that scripture above should read thus:

Thou, CHRIST art a priest forever after the order of CHRIST

your post is meaningless, sorry to say. Goshen you need to repent, cause God is not revealing anything to you. Trust me when i say that. That verse was quoted from Psalms, see you dont know scriptures, and that Psalms was testifying about Christ. Christ will come in the order of Melchizedec. That was why the verse said 'he testifieth.'

"The LORD hath sworn, and will
not repent, Thou art a priest for
ever after the order of
Melchizedek." (Psalm 110:4).<<< Christ will be a priest in the order of Melchizedec. You do err, you only read the new testament, why will you understand?. Its no suprise bro.

MEILYN: Reincarnation/ Regeneration is biblical miss. I can prove it to you.

Pls do

MEILYN: majority of Christians dont have the holy spirit mam. Because they dont keep the laws, scripture says keep my commandments and you will get understanding, so this is bigger than their understanding. Yes this was from the holy spirit. We were discussing on another thread about laws and grace and someone brought a verse concerning high priest, Jesus an high priest. [b]I have read about Melchizedec in Genesis but i was seeing it in Hebrews for the first time, so i followed the path the holy spirit led me to, precept upon precept miss.[/b]

Bro, on d bolded. Dont u think u r too forward on ds. If u see/learn things a new, its important to be patient and study thoroughly (rightly dividing) as a good bible student b4 u come to conclusion and also form a doctrine.
I admonish dt u b careful on bein wanting to share d word or say u r led to a meaning without adequate study.
Thanks.

Reincarnation is not biblical.

MEILYN if you prove so, then that only proves what a contradictory book of lies the bible is.

so go ahead. .

ajayikayod:

Bro, on d bolded. Dont u think u r too forward on ds. If u see/learn things a new, its important to be patient and study thoroughly (rightly dividing) as a good bible student b4 u come to conclusion and also form a doctrine.
I admonish dt u b careful on bein wanting to share d word or say u r led to a meaning without adequate study.
Thanks.

yes you are correct, you are very correct. But bro, i have been studying this all day. You know am already familiar with the bible, so anything i read in the new testament, if i dont understand, i goto the old testament. Why did Melchidezec visit Abraham, Where did he visit Abraham, How was he the king of righteousness. These were the things i studied bro. I linked them up to get this info. Including the Mathew account between Christ and Abraham.

PAGAN 9JA:
Reincarnation is not biblical.

MEILYN if you prove so, then that only proves what a contradictory book of lies the bible is.

so go ahead. .

oh. Contradictory to those who do not understand.

MEILYN: yes you are correct, you are very correct. But bro, i have been studying this all day. You know am already familiar with the bible, so anything i read in the new testament, if i dont understand, i goto the old testament. Why did Melchidezec visit Abraham, Where did he visit Abraham, How was he the king of righteousness. These were the things i studied bro. I linked them up to get this info. Including the Mathew account between Christ and Abraham.

A day study can never be enough for u to reach a conclusion on doctrinal issues like ds. Whether right or wrong, a very diligent study is wat it takes for u to b established on such issues. Ds same issues in discussion can take a well discipline, spirit filled student of d word a range of 1-5years of study, searching, learning, praying and robbing minds wit fellow believers in other to hav a thorough insight to such discussion.

Bro, can i ask u, hav u prayed also b4 affirming ds conclusion or u just received ds as u pointed out?

Why don't Christians understand themselves

precepts upon precepts sir!

MEILYN: Reincarnation/ Regeneration is biblical miss. I can prove it to you.

please most are old wine skin. please dont throw the children food to dogs!!!

OlaoChi: Why don't Christians understand themselves

who are christians

OlaoChi:

Pls do

Am still working on this but am going to give you a clue. Now the book of Ecclesiastes talks about reincarnation, most especially the chapter one. Am still trying to fix the puzzle with the new testament.

"The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem." (Ecclesiastes 1:1).<< the book was written by Solomon, he had much wisdom you know, so he understood these things.

"Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity." (Ecclesiastes 1:2).

"What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?" (Ecclesiastes 1:3).<< Remember this verse is talking about MAN, Human being, take note.

"One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever." (Ecclesiastes 1:4).<< the earth stays but one generation to another keeps coming, still talking about man.

"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose." (Ecclesiastes 1:5).<< this verse explains the above verse. The sun rises and disappears but the sun still comes back to the place where it arose.[reincarnation]

"The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits." (Ecclesiastes 1:6).<< this is another example, the wind goes south and north continually but it returns again according to his circuits.[reincarnation]

"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again." (Ecclesiastes 1:7).<< Another example again, all the rivers run into the sea, to the place where it comes and it returns again. [reincarnation]

"All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing." (Ecclesiastes 1:8 ).

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 1:9).<< Now remember this chapter is talking about man? So what is the thing that isnt new? What is the thing which hath been that will still be?

Let the bible tell us, here is a precept from the same book. Lets know the thing Solomon was talking about.

"That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man: neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he." (Ecclesiastes 6:10).<< now you see? That which hath been is named already, and it is man. Which means the man which hath been , it is that which shall be, and what the man did is the same thing the man shall do and there is no new man under the sun.

Lets continue.

"Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us." (Ecclesiastes 1:10).<< is there anyman whereof it maybe said, see, this is new? The man hath been already of old time, which was before us.

"There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after." (Ecclesiastes 1:11).<< the reincarnated man shall not remember what he did in his past life and who he was. No remembrance of things. Reincarnation.

What was Christ? An high priest, what was Melchizedec? High priest. They did same things. What is the job of a high priest?.

OlaoChi: Why don't Christians understand themselves

Because getting saved takes just an instance of believing, but getting established in the word takes diligent prayers and studying, the latter many xtians are too lazy to do.
@meilyn pls take out time to pray more and study, imaging saying u just read about melchesedek in Hebrews and you rush out to give a doctrine! FYI melchesedek is not Jesus Christ, you did not study ur bible well and by the way you use the new testament to explain the old and not the other way round. Shalom

ajayikayod:

A day study can never be enough for u to reach a conclusion on doctrinal issues like ds. Whether right or wrong, a very diligent study is wat it takes for u to b established on such issues. Ds same issues in discussion can take a well discipline, spirit filled student of d word a range of 1-5years of study, searching, learning, praying and robbing minds wit fellow believers in other to hav a thorough insight to such discussion.

Bro, can i ask u, hav u prayed also b4 affirming ds conclusion or u just received ds as u pointed out?

You are very wrong. Very wrong. Am not a student of the word. It didnt take Prophets of old, Paul e.t.c 5years to study and understand scriptures.

noblefada:
Because getting saved takes just an instance of believing, but getting established in the word takes diligent prayers and studying, the latter many xtians are too lazy to do.
@meilyn pls take out time to pray more and study, imaging saying u just read about melchesedek in Hebrews and you rush out to give a doctrine! FYI melchesedek is not Jesus Christ, you did not study ur bible well and by the way you use the new testament to explain the old and not the other way round. Shalom

Okay. No wahala now. Go do sumtin else.

mcfynest:

who are christians

she thinks we are.

mcfynest: precepts upon precepts sir!

please most are old wine skin. please dont throw the children food to dogs!!!

lmao. .

ajayikayod:

A day study can never be enough for u to reach a conclusion on doctrinal issues like ds. Whether right or wrong, a very diligent study is wat it takes for u to b established on such issues. Ds same issues in discussion can take a well discipline, spirit filled student of d word a range of 1-5years of study, searching, learning, praying and robbing minds wit fellow believers in other to hav a thorough insight to such discussion.

Bro, can i ask u, hav u prayed also b4 affirming ds conclusion or u just received ds as u pointed out?

I find it very difficult to agree with the emboldened part. Okay, let's look at Paul's case when he was called =>

Galatians 1:15-18 (KJV)

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

MEILYN: You are very wrong. Very wrong. Am not a student of the word. It didnt take Prophets of old, Paul e.t.c 5years to study and understand scriptures.

Nice!

haibe: It is accepted by so many christian scholars and theologians that Christ is Melchizedec, this seems to be true comparing both of them, however since the bible didn't specifically state it, we may need to avoid speculations.

i like you for the fact that you state the truth. Unlike goshen.

doubleDx:

I find it very difficult to agree with the emboldened part. Okay, let's look at Paul's case when he was called =>

Galatians 1:15-18 (KJV)

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

leave that dude jare. Him just dey talk watin him no know.

MEILYN: You are very wrong. Very wrong. Am not a student of the word. It didnt take Prophets of old, Paul e.t.c 5years to study and understand scriptures.

You see how shallow u are in scriptures, it took Paul 13 yrs of study before teaching, reading Galatians chapters 1&2, and for your reincarnation craps, you would have cured ur ignorance if you had read Hebrews 9:27. By the way are even a xtian?

noblefada:
You see how shallow u are in scriptures, it took Paul 13 yrs of study before teaching, reading Galatians chapters 1&2, and for your reincarnation craps, you would have cured ur ignorance if you had read Hebrews 9:27. By the way are even a xtian?

Hmmmm. You dont understand that verse. You are an illiterate you know?

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" (Hebrews 9:27).<< And it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment. And It is appointed unto men to die once. Different statements, different meaning.

Now let me give you an example because you dont know how to read the scriptures and you also lack english understanding.

Now it is appointed unto men once to wear clothes, but after this it gets dirty.

Now it is appointed unto men to wear clothes once, but after this it gets dirty.

You lack knowledge, you dont understand that verse, what that verse is saying is, it is appointed unto men once to die then the judgment. Once you die then your judgment, you will be judged once you die after any life lived.

And where are you judged? On Earth, thats your next life. Thats when you are judged, anytime you die, you come back to earth and face judgment.

"And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there." (Ecclesiastes 3:16).<<< under the sun, the place of judgment which is earth.