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I read In the[i] Light of the Grail Message[/i] in school. I was young then but I recall I was fascinated by a few of its theories, while finding one or two ridiculous. I remember I was particularly struck by the thought theory, where our thoughts give off energy that attract and repel similar energy. Sorry, A paraphrase.  It was a long time ago. There might be something in the thought thing. You know, I just might take another look, now that I'm all grooooowed up and can handle it. Thanks

 Being born to the Saudi royal family is no excuse . . . Nicodemus was a pharisee, Ruth was a Moabitess, Solomon was the son born in adultery . . . as long as you have heard the gospel unto salvation you have a choice . . . to accept it or reject it.  

what is all this? there are billions of people that have not heard about the bible and christianity in any way in the world we are living in today so i wonder why you always make the assertion that people have already have heard the word( i wonder which word you are always referring to),i have meet people in thialand who don't even know that their is a religion called christianity in 2007, (the last time i visited there) and there are hundreds of millions of them, just as there are billions who have not heard about the koran does that mean they will all rot in hell? the bible says they will because jesus is the way the truth and the life and no one goes to the father except by him. what if you have'nt ever heard the word(both christain and moslem)? what will happen to you? abeg make all this christain and moslem people dey there dey delude them selves.

Before we go on about the true religion jeremiah 4 23 was talking about jeremiah's vision for the coming destruction of jerusalem if you go down to verse 25 it says I saw that there were no people even the birds had flown away so throw light on that.
Genesis 1 verse 1 says in the begining when God created the universe now is the earth not part of the Universe? Chapter 2 verse 4 to 5 when the lord God made the universe there were no plants on the earth so how were the other pre-adamite surviving?

Genesis 14 Cain told the lord that anyone who finds him will kill him from my maths just adam and eve were left or maybe his brothers and sisters who had done nothing wrong and where in the Lord's land and the bible goes further to say he went to a land east of eden called wandering so they were supposedly people there that could kill him please where did they come from?
Next verse 17 cain gets married where did she come from?

How did noah tell the sex of animals such as flies for instance or just how possible is it for him to have gathered all of them in one place in just seven days ?

God is God and He is also the Devil in disguise. Infact God is many in one

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your friend hates God coz he's begining to realize the truth that God dosen't exist.

Adam which by way means humanity in hebrew is supposed to have named all the animals in what ever language he spoke anyway how plausible is that?
Oh and one more question since it is obvious that man did not live with dinosaurs from science how do they fall into your theory of creation? I still imagine how noah was able to take a lion or a lioness into a boat without being maimed or oh yes a male and female Komodo dragon that would have been fiesty he probably had tranquilizers to zap them?
So he managed to send all of them into the ark how did he keep them fed for 40+150+150+, who knows how long almost a year inside the boat?
Answers please!

Or are you saying we should believe all this by faith too huh are you saying a polar bear was in the ark? How about the different species of the same animal just tell me how he could have kept on oh, from the cat family to the dog family to all the other animals in existence just how please people tell me how would his friend not wonder where God is huh

Chrisbenogor:

Before we go on about the true religion jeremiah 4 23 was talking about jeremiah's vision for the coming destruction of jerusalem if you go down to verse 25 it says I saw that there were no people even the birds had flown away so throw light on that.
Genesis 1 verse 1 says in the begining when God created the universe now is the earth not part of the Universe? Chapter 2 verse 4 to 5 when the lord God made the universe there were no plants on the earth so how were the other pre-adamite surviving?

I asked you to pay specific attention to TWO (2) verses first but it seems you just want to find fault at all costs. Jer 4:23 was not talking about jeremiah's vision for the "coming destruction of Jerusalem" . . . infact you do not know what he was talking about AT ALL.

If you read Jer 4:23 VERY CAREFULLY you'd note that it is basically Gen 1:2 WORD FOR WORD . . . it is not by coincidence.

Verse 25 flows from verse 23 . . . dont just jump from place to place merely seeking excuses.

I asked you to read Gen 1:2 . . . rather you're arguing about Gen 1:1 . . . that is not the sign of a man sincere in his alleged "search". Why have you suddenly jumped to Gen 2:4-5 COMPLETELY skipping Gen 1:2 that was the crux of the matter? If you had simply read the verses i initially asked (instead of rummaging like a headless chicken hunting for non-existent and silly questions) you wont be asking me what plants the pre-adamite folks were eating.

I appreciate honesty, i detest hypocrites. you are either here to ask sincerely or you desist from wasting my time.

Chrisbenogor:

Genesis 14 Cain told the lord that anyone who finds him will kill him from my maths just adam and eve were left or maybe his brothers and sisters who had done nothing wrong and where in the Lord's land and the bible goes further to say he went to a land east of eden called wandering so they were supposedly people there that could kill him please where did they come from?
Next verse 17 cain gets married where did she come from?

Chrisbenogor:

How did noah tell the sex of animals such as flies for instance or just how possible is it for him to have gathered all of them in one place in just seven days ?

What has this to do with the initial issue we were dealing with? i.e the pre-adamite era?

The problem with you hypocrites is simple - you dont really have a basis for your unbelief, you rather wander aimlessly without any concrete issue to raise. Start on one point, resolve it first before you fly off tangent talking about polar bears and noah's ark.

Lets ask the question this way . . . are you the one who tells your teacher what is appropriate for a test?

My teacher will give me a test that she knows i can pass(if he/she gives me a test from a higher grade than mine she would be punished), your god knowing very well that the devil is wiser and from a higher grade than eve knew that she will never be able pass that kind of test.

why didnt your teacher write your exam for you?

my teacher wound'nt invite a second party( in this case her enemy) to come decieve and disrupt me into giving a wrong answer. my teacher will give me an exam she knows i can pass if i read very well for it with out inviting a second party to come and mar the whole process.  as it is written in the bible god gave adam and eve a command and the abided by it till the devil came along, are you trying to tell us that the devil was a test? no where was it written in the bible that god wanted to test adam and eve by sending the devil to come and decieve them. it was written that the devil just came out of no where and decieved them. if that is true then the biblical god is not an all protective, and all just. i don't believe in any god or gods but the bible depiction of god is what i find prospesterous.

Now even you know that is a stupid analogy.   

your evasiveness is what is stupid here. there was nothing wrong with that analogy. will you test your child with a loaded gun? or will your teacher give you a test with a corrosive acid by just telling you that the acid is corrosive alone with out giviing you an example so that you will see how corrosive it is? a loving teacher and parent will first of all warn a child about the dangers of things but he won't allow another person to come and lead the child astray talkless of his enemy. adam and eve were living obiediently until the devil came, they never transgress on their own, the devil made them transgress, the portrayal of god as all knowing is just stupid because that means that god knew they were going to transgress. if he did'nt know then he is not all knowing. by the way an all knowing god already knew they were going to fail the test so why give it any way?

if god is a loving father he would have taken the devil away because they were obidient until the devil came in, meaning he is not all loving. an all loving father will not allow his enemy near his children knowing fully well that his enemy who was out to get his children will come and destroy them, beside the bible did'nt say god wanted to test adam and eve so i wonder where you got this test analogy of yours, a loving father will not test his children using his enemy. he will use his friends but never his enemy. in no where in the bible did the biblical god say he wanted to test adam and eve it says that the devil came  and decieved them into  eating the fruit. god did not know and when he found out he became angry. so your analogy of testing is so wrong. teachers don't invite second parties that they know will distrupt a testing process when giving their students a test.

    Compare the OPPOSITE account, that same loving God as portrayed in the bible gave Himself as the perfect sacrifice for sin.

what sin? by the way what is sin? what is sin to you might not be sin to me and what is sin to the biblical god might not be sin to zues, allah  and the other gods. sin still exist in the world today if we are to go by the biblical theory so what are  you talking about? there was no sin in the world before the devil came and decieved adam and eve going by the biblical account. if god then has giving himself as scarifice for sin why then is there still sin in the world? if god has given himself as sacrifice then people would have gone back to the days of adam and eve in the garden of eden with all the goodies and sinless way of life. if god has sacrificed himself for sin then there will be no sin in the world peroid, because adam and eve lived in the world. or is your perfect sacrifice for sin everlasting life in heaven? if that is it then na you sabi because where and what is heaven? why must people have to die to get there? adam and eve were not living in hevean were they? if they were on earth then you biblical god's scarifice of himself has failed because sin still exist here on earth going by the biblical theory.

the one thing i have noticed about you huxley and co is that you are not used to people taking apart the silly nonsense you people post here as "questions". You are rather used to demure "christians" who come here to beg you, bleat meekly about christianity being all about faith (without any reasoning) or threaten you with hell if you do not repent.

I do nothing of the sort, rather i choose to show you in quite plain language that you sir have no case.
 

you are the one sir that has no case. because when you are hooked you start quoting from the bible that you and your fellow christains  can't and will never agree on to explain things to us or you start talking about heaven and sprituality.

Good . . . you're not the first person to use this escape route. If it had been the other fumbling christians indulging your silly pretence for questions you'd have been posting pages of pathetic tomfoolery.   

who sabi use escape route reach you? look who is talking , when people talk all you do is copy and paste from the bible that is full of ambiguity to explain things the way you personally see fit.  one day (when the spirit don shack you) you will say that 20 years is the age of accountability for people by god going by the history of the jews in the old testament and implying that by extension that age applies to people living today, the next day when one of your fellow christains attacks you by saying touch not my annionting says the lord when you are arguing and critcizing his/her pastor(god) you go ahead and say that the message was for the jews only. why are you referring to the lives of the jews in the wilderness and impying that it still holds ground and remains valid till this say and then using the same message by god to the jews of touch not my annointing to imply that it is only for the jews of that time and for that it is invalid in todays world? who sabi cherry pick and run away from issues reach you? abeg am out of here.

I would indulge you for this time and say yes both verses say the same thing and I want you to tell me the reason why I should take Jeremiah 4:23 in isolation. Before you start calling me a hypocrite or any other names examine what you are telling me, if I read the whole of that chapter 4 it has no bearing whatsoever on area of creation so aside from the fact that the text are identical in isolation they are not in the context of what they were saying that of genesis was about creation and that of jeremiah was what he saw would happen to israel if they did not repent

 What has this to do with the initial issue we were dealing with? i.e the pre-adamite era?

The problem with you hypocrites is simple - you don't really have a basis for your unbelief, you rather wander aimlessly without any concrete issue to raise. Start on one point, resolve it first before you fly off tangent talking about polar bears and noah's ark.

if you truly have the answers then spit it out and stop acussing people  and calling the hypocrites. the guy asked very important questiion that goes againts the entire basis of genesis and the bible, tell us where it was written uneqivocally (without capitalizing on some form of vagueness  to explain what you feel) in the bible about pre adamite creatures and stop evading the question and telling people to go and read from a book that says that snakes eat dust, or that bats are birds or that rabbits chew the cord.

Abeg Mazaje you dey drink beer make I buy you one bottle, help me explain to this guy that the only way to stop these questions are to provide valid answers simple.
But him just like other christians pick on isolated passages of their all so ambiguous book when the occasion suits them just the same way you would wear a suit when going to the office and a swimming trunk when heading to the pool.
Quit labelling people and answer because I am sure when die hard creationist christians see what you said they will have his hide(david_dylan) for remotely suggesting that pre whatever stuff you did or do you want me to start another thread to see how your idea fares among other christians quoting those passages you asked me to

Chrisbenogor:

I would indulge you for this time and say yes both verses say the same thing and I want you to tell me the reason why I should take Jeremiah 4:23 in isolation. Before you start calling me a hypocrite or any other names examine what you are telling me, if I read the whole of that chapter 4 it has no bearing whatsoever on area of creation so aside from the fact that the text are identical in isolation they are not in the context of what they were saying that of genesis was about creation and that of jeremiah was what he saw would happen to israel if they did not repent

the problem you have is two-fold - your hypocrisy is one, next you deliberately want to force the assumption that the bible reads like your average novel i.e. page 2 must come before page 15.

The bible is not written in chronological sequence so sometimes verse 4 is not necessarily saying the same as verse 7 neither are the events they describe occuring at exactly the same periods.

Not just you, huxley did EXACTLY the same when i pointed out Gen 1:2 and Jer 4:23 to him . . . he immediately ran off tangent talking about Jer 4:19 . . . and then promptly disappeared.

dont bother "reading the whole of Jer 4", that is a silly attempt at a cop-out on your part . . . read verses 23-27, its just that simple unless of course you're not realistically in search of an answer to what you initially posed as a genuine question.

Gen 1:1-2 was not talking about the creation AT ALL . . . the creation did not start until verse 3 so what noise are you making?

Lets break it down a bit - Gen 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Which "begining"? the "begining" of time or the "begining" of the creation of man as we know it today? Verse 2 gives us a good clue - Gen 1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Take note of 2 important things:

-  the earth was without form, and void; - How could the earth be "without form and void" if it had NEVER had form or had NEVER been occupied before?

- darkness was upon the face of the deep - Hello, but a cursory look at Gen 1 reveals light was not created until verse 3 . . . how could the earth be dark if there had never been light at any point in time?

unfortunately the author of Genesis gives us no further insight into what really happened between the earth being without form and void and the begining of the creation - fast forward to Jer 4:23

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Only a hypocrite does not see the striking similarity (almost word for word) with Gen 1:2 . . . this, i repeat, is not a coincidence. Thankfully Jeremiah's vision contains much more than just that verse . . . 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Two important things to highlight in verse 24 - the presence of mountains and hills that Jeremiah saw in his vision. Backtrack to Gen 1: 9 . . . there was no dry land AT ALL as at that time so evidently there was once dry land (hence the presence of mountains and hills) prior to the earth being filled with water.

Look at verse 25 - Jeremiah's vision decries the absence of man and the birds of the heavens. Which men were these? whence came these birds and who chased them away? Note that birds were not created until Gen1:28 and man didnt come until Gen 2:7. So who were these people and animals that Jeremiah saw?

Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Aha . . . What happened to these once fruitful places and ALL the cities (note it didnt refer to just Jewish cities alone). Where did they go?

27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

The Lord decreed the WHOLE LAND shall be desolate YET will He not make a full end of it (i.e. he would not completely destroy the earth . . .  which would seem to suggest He had plans to repopulate the earth anew at some point.

28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

I posted this verse to debunk your earlier unfounded allegation that Jeremiah was only talking about the "coming destruction of Jerusalem". If this was so then why would the WHOLE EARTH MOURN? Is Jerusalem = the whole earth?

If this vision was simply about the destruction of Jerusalem why would the heavens be black including that over Egypt, syria, turkey, Italy and Greece? Where they all once part of "jerusalem"?

Next time you people shld read with some thinking caps rather than just looking for contradictions where there is none.

thank you.

i await, as is customary, the silly blabbering of our resident athiests.

davidylan:

the problem you have is two-fold - your hypocrisy is one, next you deliberately want to force the assumption that the bible reads like your average novel i.e. page 2 must come before page 15.

The bible is not written in chronological sequence so sometimes verse 4 is not necessarily saying the same as verse 7 neither are the events they describe occuring at exactly the same periods.

Not just you, huxley did EXACTLY the same when i pointed out Gen 1:2 and Jer 4:23 to him . . . he immediately ran off tangent talking about Jer 4:19 . . . and then promptly disappeared.

don't bother "reading the whole of Jer 4", that is a silly attempt at a cop-out on your part . . . read verses 23-27, its just that simple unless of course you're not realistically in search of an answer to what you initially posed as a genuine question.

Gen 1:1-2 was not talking about the creation AT ALL . . . the creation did not start until verse 3 so what noise are you making?

Lets break it down a bit - Gen 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Which "begining"? the "begining" of time or the "begining" of the creation of man as we know it today? Verse 2 gives us a good clue - Gen 1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Take note of 2 important things:

-  the earth was without form, and void; - How could the earth be "without form and void" if it had NEVER had form or had NEVER been occupied before?

- darkness was upon the face of the deep - Hello, but a cursory look at Gen 1 reveals light was not created until verse 3 . . . how could the earth be dark if there had never been light at any point in time?

unfortunately the author of Genesis gives us no further insight into what really happened between the earth being without form and void and the begining of the creation - fast forward to Jer 4:23

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Only a hypocrite does not see the striking similarity (almost word for word) with Gen 1:2 . . . this, i repeat, is not a coincidence. Thankfully Jeremiah's vision contains much more than just that verse . . . 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Two important things to highlight in verse 24 - the presence of mountains and hills that Jeremiah saw in his vision. Backtrack to Gen 1: 9 . . . there was no dry land AT ALL as at that time so evidently there was once dry land (hence the presence of mountains and hills) prior to the earth being filled with water.

Look at verse 25 - Jeremiah's vision decries the absence of man and the birds of the heavens. Which men were these? whence came these birds and who chased them away? Note that birds were not created until Gen1:28 and man didnt come until Gen 2:7. So who were these people and animals that Jeremiah saw?

Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Aha . . . What happened to these once fruitful places and ALL the cities (note it didnt refer to just Jewish cities alone). Where did they go?

27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

The Lord decreed the WHOLE LAND shall be desolate YET will He not make a full end of it (i.e. he would not completely destroy the earth . . .  which would seem to suggest He had plans to repopulate the earth anew at some point.

28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

I posted this verse to debunk your earlier unfounded allegation that Jeremiah was only talking about the "coming destruction of Jerusalem". If this was so then why would the WHOLE EARTH MOURN? Is Jerusalem = the whole earth?

If this vision was simply about the destruction of Jerusalem why would the heavens be black including that over Egypt, syria, turkey, Italy and Greece? Where they all once part of "jerusalem"?

Next time you people shld read with some thinking caps rather than just looking for contradictions where there is none.

thank you.

chie no be small thing ohh see join join abeg are you kidding me? joining very different and unrelationg passages just to make a piont, no wander we have over 30,000 sects(religions in christianity each knocking heads with each other twisting and turning, joining and interpreting a very ambiguious book to conform to their various belief system and to give them the kind of internal and external peace and understanding of the world and situations they crave.)

  why would the WHOLE EARTH MOURN? Is Jerusalem = the whole earth?[/b]

are you kidding me? of course jerusalem is the only world the writters of the bible knew, why did'nt they mention china? india or the americas? at any point in their writtings? they were never mentioned at any time in the bible. why was there never a prophet amongst them even when they were alive and existing at the time? because the writters of the bible knew nothing about them. if they had known they would have included them in the scheme of events. the only world in the bible(old testament) which you are quoting from is isreal and its surronding neighbours simple because those were the only countries that the people knew were in existance if they had known about people living in china, india and the rest of the world they would have included them too.

this join, join don scare me sef, an objective reader will know that jeremiah was referring to some thing very different from what you are asserting, infact  another christain will see and interprete the passages you are relating and joing together very differently. that is why there can never be a universal acceptable doctrine in christianity because people interprete the bible to suite their beliefs. as some one mentioned before the only time christains come to gether is when you say that there is no god, apart from that they go on trearing, fighting and claiming that the other sects do not understand the bible and the faith as much as they do. any body can join and link things from a book as ambigious as the bible to make a point. this join join na one of the main reasons wey i leave islam, join christianity come see the same join join again.

any body can join things and claim the holy spirit gave him an understanding that doesn't prove or show anything. the links you are trying to form here are bogus.

The bible is not written in chronological sequence so sometimes verse 4 is not necessarily saying the same as verse 7 neither are the events they describe occuring at exactly the same periods 

says who? you or your pastors that capitalize on that to explain away what ever they feel will give them meaning and comfort? the koran is exactly like that too, this does not prove or show anything rather it is the main reason for division and infighting you guys are experiencing. any body can cut and join inother to find reason and internal peace from an ambigious book. and claim that he has been touched by the spirit of god, moslem imams do that too and they all claim that allah give them the special understanding that doesnt mean and prove anything.

David what are you saying can you see why atheism is growing at the rate of almost 700% every year! What can be more personal than the interpretation you just gave. Upon which verse and authority in the bible did you join those two verses please how are they connected better yet if there are any christians to corroborate this crazy assertion of yours please where are they. What you just did is why I will say people like you wrote the bible and raise all these doubts we have today chei my brother na wa for you how dumb can that explanation be. Besides what connection does the person who wrote jeremiah have with genesis in fact I will start another thread and see what christians have to say but on this issue I will scream foul play big time how long will you keep deceiving people.

Chrisbenogor:

David what are you saying can you see why atheism is growing at the rate of almost 700% every year! What can be more personal than the interpretation you just gave. Upon which verse and authority in the bible did you join those two verses please how are they connected better yet if there are any christians to corroborate this crazy assertion of yours please where are they. What you just did is why I will say people like you wrote the bible and raise all these doubts we have today chei my brother na wa for you how dumb can that explanation be. Besides what connection does the person who wrote jeremiah have with genesis in fact I will start another thread and see what christians have to say but on this issue I will scream foul play big time how long will you keep deceiving people.

My brother fear catch me sef, no wonder them get plenty very different religions all asserting and cliaming to be the real christians while all the others are wrong, based on this kind of join, join, from that book of theirs wey provide and give them that kind opprotunity. another christain will come and laugh at the connection davidylan just made. all christains and muslims do is to take the bible and koran interprete it the way the want as far as the see a slight corelation, because they depend on it to provide peace, knowledge and happiness to them. any body can do that. once again your join , join are bogus.

davidylan:

[size=18pt]don't bother "reading the whole of Jer 4", [/size] that is a silly attempt at a cop-out on your part . . . read verses 23-27, its just that simple unless of course you're not realistically in search of an answer to what you initially posed as a genuine question.

Are you really serious?? Did you read the crap you just posted?? I should open a book and instead of reading from the very beginning to determine the events leading up to that I should pick out only a portion and discard the rest.
Wait!! Let me guess, verses 28 - 31 is reffering to revelations right?? Hmm!

O.k Mr. David, lets look at what that scripture was talking about according to bible scholars.

Geneva bible notes

-By this manner of speech he shows the horrible destruction that would come on the land and also condemns the obstinacy of the people who do not repent at the fear of these terrible kings, seeing that the insensible creatures are moved therewith, as if the order of nature would be changed.

Now it gets even more interesting, since according to you, the bible is just an incoherent compilation of verses and scriptures. They made some references which I will also post.

<sub>. Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.


  Isaiah 13:22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.


  Ezekiel 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.


  Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.


  Joel 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:</sub>



So NO sir!! That passage has absolutely no relationship to the creation of the earth. Or do you want me to continue on and debunk the other garbage which you posted admist the insults.

I have started the thread already I want you to watch what all other christians have to say as far as me I am concerned you cannot piece those things together simply because the date of the earth defies Genesis in the literal terms then you search frantically for somewhere in the bible and come up with a weird and very lame explanation of pre whatever existence.
In fact I am disappointed because I came to your level to play your game with your bible and one fact is glaring you just cannot deny that all we have today are religions that try to explain the unexplainable with crazy assertions I am sure somewhere in this world you might be able to build a large followership with that rubbish join join because human beings will always be desperate for hope which is what you guys hawk around.

Your friend must be in disaray.God is a God of purpose He alone knows everything He did. just make sure he is a born again christian and also give your friend a bible to study everyday.
Also let him study this scriptures:1cor.2v1-16,1tim.3v16-17

Here is another quote from another bible commentary still about Jer. 4 : 23

  23. Graphic picture of the utter desolation about to visit Palestine. "I beheld, and lo!" four times solemnly repeated, heightens the awful effect of the scene

Here are some more references from that part.

 <sub>Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


  Isa 34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.


   without form and void--reduced to the primeval chaos

  Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</sub>

Okija_juju:

Here is another quote from another bible commentary still about Jer. 4 : 23

23. Graphic picture of the utter desolation about to visit Palestine. "I beheld, and lo!" four times solemnly repeated, heightens the awful effect of the scene

Here are some more references from that part.

<sub>Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


Isa 34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.


without form and void--reduced to the primeval chaos

Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.</sub>

and the joining continues. . . . . . . . . . .

@ Mazaje

Leave me o!! Na so I see am. Join join ne ehn dey reign.

Na so dem rush "join" church for "joint" worship and "joint" offering to the pastor and ehn wife "joint" account.

Okija_juju:

@ Mazaje

Leave me o!! Na so I see am. Join join ne ehn dey reign.

Na so them rush "join" church for "joint" worship and "joint" offering to the pastor and ehn wife "joint" account.

you don talk am finnish, na so dem go still dey join here join there just to to steal from people, discredit and to dey fight each other. deeper life people come my door come knock start to dey preach for my cousin sister say the end of the world don come,as i commot i come see my mama dey drive dem i come ask her say why she drive dem now? she come dey tell me say dey no be better christains, she talk say they are preaching faslehood, i just shake my head.( see how dem dey fight each other). cut and join is the key.

Seriously I am scared by the way these churches hold their members it is amazing! imagine deeper life no be better christian but na the product of join join reading and interpretation maybe one verse go say 'children of God make una' the other one go say 'wear earring and look fine' then one guy go join am together and na another deeper life variation we go get may number 30001.
The guy don take off self like carl lewis abeg go help team naija for olympics.

Okija_juju:

So NO sir!! That passage has absolutely no relationship to the creation of the earth. Or do you want me to continue on and debunk the other garbage which you posted admist the insults.

Question 1 - why is it of UTMOST IMPORTANCE to you what that passage has to say? Does God exist or not? Start from there hypocrite.

mazaje:

chie no be small thing ohh see join join abeg are you kidding me? joining very different and unrelationg passages just to make a piont, no wander we have over 30,000 sects(religions in christianity each knocking heads with each other twisting and turning, joining and interpreting a very ambiguious book to conform to their various belief system and to give them the kind of internal and external peace and understanding of the world and situations they crave.)

dear hypocrite, i ask repeatedly . . . why is IT OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE to you what i join to what to what? Have you read those verses and found out they are different and unrelated? What is YOUR OWN interpretation before making false allegations?

Does God exist? If He doesnt why are you tying urself up in a knot over His book of fairy tales?

mazaje:

are you kidding me? of course jerusalem is the only world the writters of the bible knew

What an idiot, Jeremiah mentions Babylon (modern day Iraq) several times in his book, Egypt, Syria, Greece, Italy, Lebanon, modern day Jordan, Ethiopia . . . are all mentioned by several bible writers.

Of all the rest, you are the most ignorant of the athiests here.

mazaje:

why did'nt they mention china? india or the americas?

Idiot, because many of those names didnt even exist 3000 yrs ago! There was NO name like Iran or Iraq 3000 yrs ago but they were known by their old names - Persia and Babylon . . .

mazaje:

this join, join don scare me sef, an objective reader will know that jeremiah was referring to some thing very different from what you are asserting

The number of times i have had to call you out on your GLARING LIES here puts you out of the ranks of those we can refer to as "objective reader" (a term of course you use to denote a non-christian).

Chrisbenogor:

I have started the thread already I want you to watch what all other christians have to say as far as me I am concerned you cannot piece those things together simply because the date of the earth defies Genesis in the literal terms then you search frantically for somewhere in the bible and come up with a weird and very lame explanation of pre whatever existence.
In fact I am disappointed because I came to your level to play your game with your bible and one fact is glaring you just cannot deny that all we have today are religions that try to explain the unexplainable with crazy assertions I am sure somewhere in this world you might be able to build a large followership with that rubbish join join because human beings will always be desperate for hope which is what you guys hawk around.

thou fool (no longer will i refrain from being as blunt as possible with you folks) . . . how have YOU the non-religous been able to explain the unexplainable any better than the religious? OK i asked you yesterday for proof . . . how was the earth formed? I no longer want to read the bible for it, pls convince me. Its not enough to come here crying foul.

Chrisbenogor:

Seriously I am scared by the way these churches hold their members it is amazing! imagine deeper life no be better christian but na the product of join join reading and interpretation maybe one verse go say 'children of God make una' the other one go say 'wear earring and look fine' then one guy go join am together and na another deeper life variation we go get may number 30001.
The guy don take off self like carl lewis abeg go help team naija for olympics.

Thou hypocrite - why are you scared if indeed God does not exist? Does that make sense to you?

Okija juju the notes copier . . . did you also copy what the bible commenters had to say about Gen 1:2?

Any bible commentary that fails to link Gen 1:2 to Jer 4:23 is wishy washy at best.

Gen 1 was only used to explain the magnitude of the destruction.