EMILO2STAY: how come the gentiles are called uncircumcized?

Because they were uncircumcised, many of them no doubt. And circumcision was the 'conversion rite' the Pharisees demanded whereas Paul taught them that faith in the Messiah is sufficient to come back into the covenant.

Ponder this.

By the time of Christ, Israel had been divorced from the covenant for hundreds of years.

Were they keeping the laws? No..Some remained righteous, like Cornelius. No doubt many others had fallen into all forms of sin.

And we also know there was conspiracy among the heathen to stop them keeping their customs. Check this:

2 Maccabbees 6:6-9
"Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.
And in the day of the king's birth every month they were brought by bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices; and when the fast of Bacchus was kept, the Jews were compelled to go in procession to Bacchus, carrying ivy. Moreover there went out a decree to the neighbour cities of the heathen, by the suggestion of Ptolemee, against the Jews, that they should observe the same fashions, and be partakers of their sacrifices:And whoso would not conform themselves to the manners of the Gentiles should be put to death. Then might a man have seen the present misery.

You won't be aware of these persecutions because the book of Maccabebees (among with several other books) was stripped out of the bible in only the 16th century.

It is interesting, however, that up until today, this is one of the customs we negroes of west africa keep. Circumcision on the 8th day. This law was only ever given to one people - Abraham's seed, and we know darn well we are not arabs (Ishmael).
God gave us these laws to set us apart from the other nations. The customs of our people are an abomination to other nations. Consider the conversation between Moses and pharaoh.

Exodus 8:26 "And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to the Lord our God: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians before their eyes, and will they not stone us?"

There are many other customs mentioned in the bible that are part of our culture. Read Hebrewisms of West Africa

Shalom

shdemidemi:

Are you ready to answer questions from your mooted OP?

If you have any relevant and genuine questions, then perhaps. But if you come with you usual nonsense of:

"{randon verse}" - followed by "what does this mean to you", you may as well be speaking to yourself.

I have showed you these guys are quoting the prophet Hosea - that is beyond doubt. And I then showed Hosea is addressing Israel.
What do you want again.

Go to the online bible, and type in "stranger".. You will realise that when God was addressing the levites, he warned that no stranger shall come near to the holy thing i.e. the other tribes. So you see, strangers even there were used to address the mixed multitude that came up out of Egypt with Israel, but also the israelites themselves if one tribe was being dealt with.

I know by now you will be searching to find an example of a genuine non-Israelite. That is fine. Nobody said the heathen cannot worship the Most High. Did not numbers say "one law for you and the strangers that sojourn among you". But as a collective, God only deals with Israel.

I shall not measure the outer court.

Shalom

EMILO2STAY: how come the gentiles are called uncircumcized?

Also, see this? Remember Maccabees was in the time of the Greek captivity.

1 Maccabees 1:42-43
Moreover king Antiochus wrote to his whole kingdom, that all should be one people,And every one should leave his laws: so all the heathen agreed according to the commandment of the king.

1 Maccabees 1:48 "That they should also leave their children uncircumcised, and make their souls abominable with all manner of uncleanness and profanation:"

1 Maccabees 1:60 "At which time according to the commandment they put to death certain women, that had caused their children to be circumcised.

1 Maccabees 1:61 And they hanged the infants about their necks, and rifled their houses, and slew them that had circumcised them.


You know not what our ancestors went through. Read the whole chapter (or the whole book for that matter).

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=1+Maccabees&chapter=1&verse=1

JesusisLord85:

Because they were uncircumcised, many of them no doubt. And circumcision was the 'conversion rite' the Pharisees demanded whereas Paul taught them that faith in the Messiah is sufficient to come back into the covenant.

Ponder this.

By the time of Christ, Israel had been divorced from the covenant for hundreds of years.

Were they keeping the laws? No..Some remained righteous, like Cornelius. No doubt many others had fallen into all forms of sin.

And we also know there was conspiracy among the heathen to stop them keeping their customs. Check this:

2 Maccabbees 6:6-9
"Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.
And in the day of the king's birth every month they were brought by bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices; and when the fast of Bacchus was kept, the Jews were compelled to go in procession to Bacchus, carrying ivy. Moreover there went out a decree to the neighbour cities of the heathen, by the suggestion of Ptolemee, against the Jews, that they should observe the same fashions, and be partakers of their sacrifices:And whoso would not conform themselves to the manners of the Gentiles should be put to death. Then might a man have seen the present misery.

You won't be aware of these persecutions because the book of Maccabebees (among with several other books) was stripped out of the bible in only the 16th century.

It is interesting, however, that up until today, this is one of the customs we negroes of west africa keep. Circumcision on the 8th day. This law was only ever given to one people - Abraham's seed, and we know darn well we are not arabs (Ishmael).
God gave us these laws to set us apart from the other nations. The customs of our people are an abomination to other nations. Consider the conversation between Moses and pharaoh.

Exodus 8:26 "And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to the Lord our God: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians before their eyes, and will they not stone us?"

There are many other customs mentioned in the bible that are part of our culture. Read Hebrewisms of West Africa

Shalom

whats ur point, so the jews were now called gentiles because antiochus epiphanes banned judiaism in judia?, bla bla bla, u contradicted urself with the second to the last bolded.

EMILO2STAY: whats ur point, so the jews were now called gentiles because antiochus epiphanes banned judiaism in judia?, bla bla bla, u contradicted urself with the second to the last bolded.

You asked how it came to be. Take it or leave it... It was banned throughout the kingdom of the greeks, and we know Israel was scattered throughout. What if I am even lying to you? What if your church is lying to you? One or both of us must be lying. You are asking someone to tell you when the answers lie in the scriptures.

Read negro, read.

EMILO2STAY: whats ur point, so the jews were now called gentiles because antiochus epiphanes banned judiaism in judia?, bla bla bla, u contradicted urself with the second to the last bolded.

Oh really now?

2 Maccabees 6:6 Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.

JesusisLord85:

You asked how it came to be. Take it or leave it... It was banned throughout the kingdom of the greeks, and we know Israel was scattered throughout. What if I am even lying to you? What if your church is lying to you? One or both of us must be lying. You are asking someone to tell you when the answers lie in the scriptures.

Read negro, read.

my dear u know not what ur talking about.

EMILO2STAY: my dear u know not what ur talking about.

I am not your girlfriend.
And, unlike your friends who teach the doctrine of devils, you have not come with any scriptures to twist. So I guess I'm done with you.

Shalom

JesusisLord85:

Oh really now?

2 Maccabees 6:6 Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.

so jews in judea during the days of peter and paul were uncircumcised gentiles right. Haha!

EMILO2STAY: so jews in judea during the days of peter and paul were uncircumcised gentiles right. Haha!

In Peter's the Romans were running things.

But wait. Have you actually read the original post? I mean, all of it. Because the answers to your questions are there. Kindly refer to it.

Shalom

JesusisLord85:

I am not your girlfriend.
And, unlike your friends who teach the doctrine of devils, you have not come with any scriptures to twist. So I guess I'm done with you.

Shalom

i dont need to come up with any scriptural backing since you cant answer my question and the book of maccabees you presented constradict ur statements.

JesusisLord85:

In Peter's the Romans were running things.

But wait. Have you actually read the original post? I mean, all of it. Because the answers to your questions are there. Kindly refer to it.

Shalom

u are still not answering my question.

EMILO2STAY: u are still not answering my question.

Your questions as why the gentiles (northern israelites who were scattered) called uncircumcised.
That is what I saw. The answer is there.

JesusisLord85:

Your questions as why the gentiles (northern israelites who were scattered) called uncircumcised.
That is what I saw. The answer is there.

lies, give me a damn straight answer and stop beating around the bush. The gentiles refer mainly to the greek and romans. And not jews who reside outside judea. Stop bringing up crap u dont understand properly to confuse people, We already have enough confusion in christianity. i dnt want to go into a heated argument thats why am only asking questions,.. But u have woefuly failed, how much more if i bring up more theories...abeg u need to park well jor!.

EMILO2STAY: lies, give me a damn straight answer and stop beating around the bush. The gentiles refer mainly to the greek and romans. And not jews who reside outside judea. Stop bringing up crap u dont understand properly to confuse people, We already have enough confusion in christianity. i dnt want to go into a heated argument thats why am only asking questions,.. But u have woefuly failed, how much more if i bring up more theories...abeg u need to park well jor!.

Haha you are ignorant.
If you read my post, you will understand HISTORY. You will understand the words of the prophets.

Key, Hosea vis-a-vis Peter and Paul's teachings.

Or you think, like Christianity, thee men just made it up as they went along. If you are not teaching from the ONLY scripture that prevailed in that day, the law and the prophets, then you are talking rubbish.

The Northern Israelites that became scattered were also referred to as gentiles, by the Jews (those of the Kingdom of Judah).

Of course you cannot accept that. The idea of christ coming to save the ammonites, moabites and every other 'ite' under the son is the key assumption of the christianity that came from rome.

I'm tearing down that false foundation.

You can continue in this delusion you follow. Or you can accept truth, understand you are an Israelite, and keep the commandments.

That is the duty of man. Shame, it is not what your church teaches.

JesusisLord85:

Haha you are ignorant.
If you read my post, you will understand HISTORY. You will understand the words of the prophets.

Key, Hosea vis-a-vis Peter and Paul's teachings.

Or you think, like Christianity, thee men just made it up as they went along. If you are not teaching from the ONLY scripture that prevailed in that day, the law and the prophets, then you are talking rubbish.

The Northern Israelites that became scattered were also referred to as gentiles, by the Jews (those of the Kingdom of Judah).

Of course you cannot accept that. The idea of christ coming to save the ammonites, moabites and every other 'ite' under the son is the key assumption of the christianity that came from rome.

I'm tearing down that false foundation.

You can continue in this delusion you follow. Or you can accept truth, understand you are an Israelite, and keep the commandments.

That is the duty of man. Shame, it is not what your church teaches.

mtchwww!, JesusisLord85 spewing gibbrish he cant defend since 2014 AD.

EMILO2STAY: mtchwww!, JesusisLord85 spewing gibbrish he cant defend since 2014 AD.

Precept upon precept, line upon line. Gave you a full study. Rather than pick apart the OP with points forms scripture, the ignoramus asks daft questions and magnifies himself. Haha sure the sacrifice of fools Solomon spake of.

Go thy way

JesusisLord85:

Precept upon precept, line upon line. Gave you a full study. Rather than pick apart the OP with points forms scripture, the ignoramus asks daft questions and magnifies himself. Haha sure the sacrifice of fools Solomon spake of.

Go thy way

yea daft questions u couldnt answer a single one of them. a fool who does not know that he is a fool needs education.

EMILO2STAY: yea daft questions u couldnt answer a single one of them. a fool who does not know that he is a fool needs education.

The answers were in the text. You wan breastfeed abi? Get out of here

JesusisLord85:

The answers were in the text. You wan breastfeed abi? Get out of here

lol...going by the law you deserve to be stoned to death for most of your utterances on this forum, if we must go by the law.

shdemidemi: lol...going by the law you deserve to be stoned to death for most of your utterances on this forum, if we must go by the law.

Yahshua did not suffer foolishness. Neither will I.
This is the time for Israel to be serious, the brother wants to spread his confusion among the sheep. Just like you do.

If Christ met you in those days, truth is you would be among those he whipped in the temple.

JesusisLord85:


Yahshua did not suffer foolishness. Neither will I.
This is the time for Israel to be serious, the brother wants to spread his confusion among the sheep. Just like you do.

If Christ met you in those days, truth is you would be among those he whipped in the temple.

What is this problem you seem to suffer from! You can never go straight to answers.

Jesus can do whatever He chooses to do because His righteousness is not measured by the law. But, as for you who tries so hard to beat the demands of the law by observing it, do you know you deserve death for some of your loose utterances even on NL?

shdemidemi:

What is this problem you seem to suffer from! You can never go straight to answers.

Jesus can do whatever He chooses to do because His righteousness is not measured by the law. But, as for you who tries so hard to beat the demands of the law by observing it, do you know you deserve death for some of your loose utterances even on NL?

You don't know the law. You have no zeal for the commands of the Most High. Go and read about how our fathers were zealous.

You are only zealous for lawlessness. Blinded to the truth, but that's none of my business.

How long shall I teach the one the Most High hath blinded and rejected?

JesusisLord85:

You don't know the law. You have no zeal for the commands of the Most High. Go and read about how our fathers were zealous.

You are only zealous for lawlessness. Blinded to the truth, but that's none of my business.

How long shall I teach the one the Most High hath blinded and rejected?

It's quite unfortunate that you have a zeal but no knowledge-

Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

Wake up and learn dear friend.

shdemidemi:

It's quite unfortunate that you have a zeal but no knowledge-

Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

Wake up and learn dear friend.

Lol it will be interesting when you stand before the Most High.

Most High: "What did Yahshua say"?


Shdemi: "but I THOUGHT Paul said..."

I remember you used to have a theory of two gospels. One for Jews, one for you. Does that still hold, according to you?

Just checking the progress of your 'sight'

JesusisLord85:

Lol it will be interesting when you stand before the Most High.

Most High: "What did Yahshua say"?


Shdemi: "but I THOUGHT Paul said..."

I remember you used to have a theory of two gospels. One for Jews, one for you. Does that still hold, according to you?

Just checking the progress of your 'sight'

His Paul saying anything different from what God is saying. I don't pick and choose scriptures bro? I believe the entire bible is God breathed, thus, inherent.

Submit yourself to the righteousness of God to be saved.

And as for gospels, go get the actual meaning of gospel, we can start from there.

shdemidemi:

His Paul saying anything different from what God is saying. I don't pick and choose scriptures bro? I believe the entire bible is God breathed, thus, inherent.

Submit yourself to the righteousness of God to be saved.

And as for gospels, go get the actual meaning of gospel, we can start from there.

Silly guy. Are you not the one that said "there are two". Don't let me go through and dig it out.

That was your most infamous doctrine last year. Or have he forgotten so soon. Though I remember a little backtrack. Pele

JesusisLord85:

Silly guy. Are you not the one that said "there are two". Don't let me go through and dig it out.

That was your most infamous doctrine last year. Or have he forgotten so soon. Though I remember a little backtrack. Pele

now that the truth is staring you in the face, you are looking for a way out.

Address the issue on God's righteousness through Christ and stop beating the bush unnecessarily.

shdemidemi:

now that the truth is staring you in the face, you are looking for a way out.

Address the issue on God's righteousness through Christ and stop beating the bush unnecessarily.

Haha you are truly clueless. Man of lawlessness.

I thrashed out a whole thread on this issue.

Read and be edified. The law remains. Paul observed the law and even took a vow to show he did. If you can't accept that, then that's your problem.

https://www.nairaland.com/1873588/gods-laws-commandments-done-away

JesusisLord85:

Haha you are truly clueless. Man of lawlessness.

I thrashed out a whole thread on this issue.

Read and be edified. The law remains. Paul observed the law and even took a vow to show he did. If you can't accept that, then that's your problem.

https://www.nairaland.com/1873588/gods-laws-commandments-done-away

Why refer me to a thread you could not defend when questions were asked...

Did Paul observe the law to be saved or did he become all things for all to save some?

Can you be saved by keeping the law, if you can show me in the bible, pls do.

If you can't, forbear and stop fooling yourself bro.

Philippians 3:5 I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law. 6 I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.

7 I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done. 8 Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ 9 and become one with him.I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ.[c] For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith. 10 I want to know Christ and experience the mighty power that raised him from the dead. I want to suffer with him, sharing in his death, 11 so that one way or another I will experience the resurrection from the dead!

Wake up from your slumber and stop spurious claims on NL.

shdemidemi:

Why refer me to a thread you could not defend when questions were asked...

Did Paul observe the law to be saved or did he become all things for all to save some?

Can you be saved by keeping the law, if you can show me in the bible, pls do.

If you can't, forbear and stop fooling yourself bro.

Philippians 3:5 I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law. 6 I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.

7 I once thought these things were valuable, but now I consider them worthless because of what Christ has done. 8 Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ 9 and become one with him.I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ.[c] For God’s way of making us right with himself depends on faith. 10 I want to know Christ and experience the mighty power that raised him from the dead. I want to suffer with him, sharing in his death, 11 so that one way or another I will experience the resurrection from the dead!

Wake up from your slumber and stop spurious claims on NL.

You asked me an off topic question about Jesus being black. Could you cast down any of my precepts? No. Did you even try? No.You now approach me on a different thread to be misquoting Paul.

As I said, to help others, I shall post a thread on Romans. Same way I did Galatians. Not that that stopped you misquoting. Haha so Paul was playing to the crowd in your view. He must have been one big hypocrite when you interpret him like you do.


When myself, obadiah and Most High showed the countrless examples of Paul 'Judaising', could you talk. Like the devil, you scatter, only to return with the same poor quotes. No precepts. Just quotes of a letter. Lol

But I invite you to read that thread again and bring precepts from the law and prophets to show I'm a liar.

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret to his servants, the prophets. Amos 3:7

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Do we need infer anything with that portion of scripture.. It explains itself.

As for not rebutting your supposed precepts, I didn't, simply because every sentence will need to be addressed if I want to.