Many ppl write off things as saying life is all b physcal inspite of events pointng to d super natural?

www.nairaland.com/2029286/how-duped-n465000-trans-

From the OP on that thread.

I reported the matter to the policemen i saw on my way back, they told me that they've been getting such report and that i should thank God i wasn't hurt... They also told me that the fraudsters always know people that have money with them (that they see something like flame of fire on their head)

So what exactly do you want to hear? Like the police, you've already made up your mind that some spiritual force was at play. In fact, for you, this proves God.

Hint: the money was switched when his attention was on the door.

musKeeto:
From the OP on that thread.


So what exactly do you want to hear? Like the police, you've already made up your mind that some spiritual force was at play. In fact, for you, this proves God.

Hint: the money was switched when his attention was on the door.

Lame talk.

musKeeto:
From the OP on that thread.


So what exactly do you want to hear? Like the police, you've already made up your mind that some spiritual force was at play. In fact, for you, this proves God.

Hint: the money was switched when his attention was on the door.

of course i'm biased and ultra narrow minded on this issue of God. This doesnt explain God to me but to d sceptics .
My point is this proves spiritual interplay on a staggering proprtion we dont witness regularly esp for d sceptcs.

They switched his money?
You mean, unzipped his bag,removed the real wads, put their hand into their own bags, pulled out enuff pieces of paper to look the size of d real wad, stached it into the victim's bag ,
zipped it back,all under a few seconds,
and the victim didnt notice a thing not to talk of fight bck?
To begin with, carrying a bulk sum,the carrier wud b naturally extra-vigilant and cautious ,
not to talk of if he was caryng petty amounts.

C'mon man!

Conmen have been swindling people since the days of Abraham.
I find it funny Christians are eager to attribute every con job to the supernatural, in the same way that their pastors con them by claiming supernatural.

It is not an accident that a religion founded on supernatural con jobs, is eternally obsessed with, and even seeks to validate itself with con jobs masquerading as supernatural.

plaetton:
Conmen have been swindling people since the days of Abraham.
I find it funny Christians are eager to attribute every con job to the supernatural, in the same way that their pastors con them by claiming supernatural.

It is not an accident that a religion founded on supernatural con jobs, is eternally obsessed with, and even seeks to validate itself with con jobs masquerading as supernatural.

It is not everyday one has the privilege to educate the willfully ignorant.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/01/07/a-pickpockets-tale

asalimpo:

To begin with, carrying a bulk sum,the carrier wud b naturally extra-vigilant and cautious ,
not to talk of if he was caryng petty amounts.

C'mon man!

Passenger gets into car. He just happens to be seating next to the door.
Driver tells passenger 'lock that door'.
Passenger tries to lock door that has been rigged such that it is difficult to shut.
Then other passengers get involved.





Na, why waste my time?


One passenger chants 'anuayabaka', an ancient juju that moves money from a bag, and replaces it with a bunch of neatly shaped paper.

musKeeto:

It is not everyday one has the privilege to educate the willfully ignorant.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/01/07/a-pickpockets-tale

Very interesting article.

This caught my attention:


Recently, at a forum in Baltimore, he shared a stage with the psychologist Daniel Kahneman—who won a Nobel Prize for his work in behavioral economics—and the two had a long discussion about so-called “inattentional blindness,” the phenomenon of focussing so intently on a single task that one fails to notice things in plain sight.

@doubters and co.

Y dont you simply admit tht somethings are super natural and defy logic?

How does some1 switch a large sum of money with d alert owner not noticing it and doind so swiftly?

There's no logic for this.

First, the owner was hyper alert and wudve reacted at d slightest sign of foul play.

The fastest way would b to pull out d money,like pick pockets do but the didnt stop there, they replaced it with paper and without raising suspicion...

Again,like i say, somethings defy logic. Period.

asalimpo:

@doubters and co.

Y dont you simply admit tht somethings are super natural and defy logic?

How does some1 switch a large sum of money with d alert owner not noticing it and doind so swiftly?

There's no logic for this.

First, the owner was hyper alert and wudve reacted at d slightest sign of foul play.

The fastest way would b to pull out d money,like pick pockets do but the didnt stop there, they replaced it with paper and without raising suspicion...

Again,like i say, somethings defy logic. Period.

Do they have to admit to something to make it true?....this is the prime tenant of the "supernatural"...it demands you believe it to be true...
If indeed there is "no logic to this" why have you dismissed the ones given to you?...and is there any way you could prove this being "supernatural"?
Is a sudden disappearance of money proving anything "supernatural" at play when you haven't ruled out all the natural causes?.

davien:
Do they have to admit to something to make it true?....this is the prime tenant of the "supernatural"...it demands you believe it to be true...
If indeed there is "no logic to this" why have you dismissed the ones given to you?...and is there any way you could prove this being "supernatural"?
Is a sudden disappearance of money proving anything "supernatural" at play when you haven't ruled out all the natural causes?.

wen something defies logic it is supernatural.period.
There's no point shoe horning it into logical shoes anymore.
The fact still is u rationally come to d objective conclusion tht phenomena x cant b explained logically.
There are no objective atheists , the replies to this post prove it.

plaetton:


Very interesting article.

This caught my attention:


Recently, at a forum in Baltimore, he shared a stage with the psychologist Daniel Kahneman—who won a Nobel Prize for his work in behavioral economics—and the two had a long discussion about so-called “inattentional blindness,” the phenomenon of focussing so intently on a single task that one fails to notice things in plain sight.

The bold reminds me of those "Test your awareness" videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNF9QNEQLA

It really is easy to miss everything else while you're fixated on a single task.

asalimpo:

How does some1 switch a large sum of money with d alert owner not noticing it and doind so swiftly?

There's no logic for this.

Thieves, pickpockets and magicians have known how to do this for ages. This is basically their bread and butter. From something as simple as the Three Card Monte to David Copperfield's various elaborate concoctions, you'd be surprised how easy it is to trick the brain.
Since he's been brought up already on this thread, I guess I'll just use Apollo Robins

"The easiest people to steal from are those who think they can't be stolen from" - Apollo Robins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TOFlb09Vuk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGY0wPAnus

It's only supernatural if you don't know how it's done.

A spiritual explanation is no explanation.

the passenger was hypnotized,then the money was stolen? Africa isnt america. Here we usee black magic , witchcraft and voodoo and produce logic defying results. Usng a whiteman's logc example doesnt apply. As bckward as africa was bf d advent of d whiteman, we were advanced in d dark arts. Or u will say the african voodoo priest , and witch doctor was using logc tricks?


Like i said, the mechancs of stealling 400k, from a sealed bag, in a blink of an eye by simply touching it, just holds no water.

If you had a brief case full of money, you wouldnt b workup if a passengers hand brushed against it. But to actually empty the contents and replace it with paper would either require drugging u or gun point robbery.
No other explanation fits because u were watchful and alert and every normal process requires messy mechanics: open case, pull out money, bring case with fake notes,open fake case,move fake notes into real case, close fake case, put it outta victims sight,close real case.
How can d above steps b successfully executed in a blink and d victim not notice anything?

An honest person simply knows that somethngs defeat typical explanations.

asalimpo:

@doubters and co.

Y dont you simply admit tht somethings are super natural and defy logic?

How does some1 switch a large sum of money with d alert owner not noticing it and doind so swiftly?

There's no logic for this.

First, the owner was hyper alert and wudve reacted at d slightest sign of foul play.

The fastest way would b to pull out d money,like pick pockets do but the didnt stop there, they replaced it with paper and without raising suspicion...

Again,like i say, somethings defy logic. Period.

The only thing that defies logic is your apparent inability to see that it was just a con,no spirit involved.

dorox:

The only thing that defies logic is your apparent inability to see that it was just a con,no spirit involved.

you simply want to deny d obvious, there's no logically way this con job cud have been pulled off under the hyper alert watching nose of a passenger.
No way.

asalimpo:


you simply want to deny d obvious, there's no logically way this con job cud have been pulled off under the hyper alert watching nose of a passenger.
No way.

Watch the second video posted by timmy2409 then tell me what you think.
What you call magic is just a simple parlour trick.

asalimpo:
the passenger was hypnotized,then the money was stolen? Africa isnt america. Here we usee black magic , witchcraft and voodoo and produce logic defying results. Usng a whiteman's logc example doesnt apply. As bckward as africa was bf d advent of d whiteman, we were advanced in d dark arts. Or u will say the african voodoo priest , and witch doctor was using logc tricks?


Like i said, the mechancs of stealling 400k, from a sealed bag, in a blink of an eye by simply touching it, just holds no water.

If you had a brief case full of money, you wouldnt b workup if a passengers hand brushed against it. But to actually empty the contents and replace it with paper would either require drugging u or gun point robbery.
No other explanation fits because u were watchful and alert and every normal process requires messy mechanics: open case, pull out money, bring case with fake notes,open fake case,move fake notes into real case, close fake case, put it outta victims sight,close real case.
How can d above steps b successfully executed in a blink and d victim not notice anything?

An honest person simply knows that somethngs defeat typical explanations.

Part of the reason why the black man will not progress is because majority of us hold beliefs like yours. Can you use the supernatural to explain how the money was replaced? Why haven't we used black magic to better our lives? Why didn't our ancestors use black magic to defeat the European invaders?

dorox:

Watch the second video posted by timmy2409 then tell me what you think.
What you call magic is just a simple parlour trick.

That's what they fail to understand. Juju priest, pastors etc all you simple and complicated natural magic tricks to beguile their audience and people around them. Chris Angle who is presently known as the greatest magician alive has stated that there is no body that uses supernatural powers or abilities. I rather believe him than believe a person who believes that virgins can give birth to people because he was told.

dalaman:

That's what they fail to understand. Juju priest, pastors etc all you simple and complicated natural magic tricks to beguile their audience and people around them. Chris Angle who is presently known as the greatest magician alive has stated that there is no body that uses supernatural powers or abilities. I rather believe him than believe a person who believes that virgins can give birth to people because he was told.

your Chris angle, isnt the authprity on this so save your arguments. I know of magic/sleight of hand and outta the ordinary things.

dalaman:


Part of the reason why the black man will not progress is because majority of us hold beliefs like yours. Can you use the supernatural to explain how the money was replaced? Why haven't we used black magic to better our lives? Why didn't our ancestors use black magic to defeat the European invaders?

an unhealthy belief in superstition is no doubt detrimental. But that doesnt justify the denial of the supernatural, as was clearly the case in this incident.
A westerner maynt hav serious encounter with outta d ordinary events but in Nigeria/africa theyve been incidents tht highlight them.
It's ridiculous to even try to argue otherwise.

Any wonder why we are called the dark continent? Why the 'whites' refer to the period in which they held those beliefs as 'dark ages'?

This is an explanation,i'd like to broker.

The men got supernatural powers, that opened their eyes to know who had money (spirit eyes).
There's a demonic object they use e.g a ring, powder etc tht wen it touches the target item would transfer it ,again supernaturally, to the groups hide out.
The demon/devil behind the spiritual dynamics will then cause the victims original purse to b filled with pads (paper etc). All done with spiritual objects.
This is stealing but cant b proved physically because d physcal world doesnt believe in spirits.

This is d means used to steal laptops, cash etc.
Wen the syndicate get back to their hideout the original item will b there.

Let me give you another case you cannot explain logically: mystic mirrors.
With this mirror,the owner can conjure up the image of anybody on earth. The person's image will appear live on it.
He can also gather any information about anybody on earth. He can observe the activities of the person just like we'd watch videos on a tablet/monitor.

People deeply into d occult/witchcraft know these things are true.
But their practitioners keep it secret.
How dyu explain this? Or its fantasy.

It's u people tht need to b pitied,really.

Anoda story i stumbled upon , buttressing the supernatural.

akinsadeez:

There was a testimony in my church yesterday of a young girl that was kidnapped along with some other people by ritualists. The parents never stopped praying even when the 'authorities' you so much put your faith in were completely mystified. It transpired that every where the ritualists took the girl to, she was declared 'unusable'. Out of frustration the ritualists eventually dropped the girl somewhere and she was found by passers by in one of the states in the north. This girl was returned back to her parents but tell me, what did the authorities have to do with her survival?
I guess you must be an atheist but where God is involved, even if the authorities decide to do nothing, those kids will be found alive and well. That is my prayer anyways. Those kids will return and their parents will have no cause to mourn this yuletide season

asalimpo:

an unhealthy belief in superstition is no doubt detrimental. But that doesnt justify the denial of the supernatural, as was clearly the case in this incident.
A westerner maynt hav serious encounter with outta d ordinary events but in Nigeria/africa theyve been incidents tht highlight them.
It's ridiculous to even try to argue otherwise.

What have you seen? Remember our society is more backward, uneducated, unenlightened and more close minded. We are more superstitious an as such we will always assign magical powers to simple things we find intriguing because we do not have the intellectual ability to sort them out. Why can't we use this so called super natural ability to solve our problems?

asalimpo:
Anoda story i stumbled upon , buttressing the supernatural.

How many christians have been killed in the hands of ritualist? Do you know how many parents are praying for their chikdren that are being killed by ritualist at the moment?

asalimpo:
This is an explanation,i'd like to broker.

The men got supernatural powers, that opened their eyes to know who had money (spirit eyes).
There's a demonic object they use e.g a ring, powder etc tht wen it touches the target item would transfer it ,again supernaturally, to the groups hide out.
The demon/devil behind the spiritual dynamics will then cause the victims original purse to b filled with pads (paper etc). All done with spiritual objects.
This is stealing but cant b proved physically because d physcal world doesnt believe in spirits.

This is d means used to steal laptops, cash etc.
Wen the syndicate get back to their hideout the original item will b there.

Hmmm let me see. What are the chances that a man walking out of a bank with a bag hanging around his neck is carrying some money?

Why did they need the prolonged diversion of the door to occupy his attention? And why did ALL of them try to 'help' with said door, giving them the opportunity to lean across him? (Hint: It's called misdirection. Did you watch those videos I posted?)

Like a lot of Nigerians, you seem to be logical in most areas of your life except when it comes to the supernatural. Frankly, y'all need to stop thinking like babies.

dalaman:


How many christians have been killed in the hands of ritualist? Do you know how many parents are praying for their chikdren that are being killed by ritualist at the moment?

so the prayer was hit or miss luck or not?
Cmon. There's a bible passage where a disciple of Jesus was killed by a wicked king, but wen peter was imprisoned,the church prayed seriously and (by luck?), Peter was released.
The negative cases dont disprove the positive. So ur rule itself is wrong.
They wanted to kill her,like theyd done d others but d demon the ritualist slaughter to rejected her.
Incidentally, the girls parents were on a prayer alert.
Luck or consequence?

timmy2409:

Like a lot of Nigerians black people, you seem to be logical in most areas of your life except when it comes to the supernatural. Frankly, y'all need to stop thinking like babies.

Hey, babies can grow to be wise and knowledgeable but my people have no chance. These people are more like matured savages. No Hope!!!

They see ghosts here, spirits there, gods, demons,and angels everywhere!!!How can a culture that places more emphasis on the "spiritual" ever fully master the mechanics of the physical world?

asalimpo:
This is an explanation,i'd like to broker.

The men got supernatural powers, that opened their eyes to know who had money (spirit eyes).
There's a demonic object they use e.g a ring, powder etc tht wen it touches the target item would transfer it ,again supernaturally, to the groups hide out.
The demon/devil behind the spiritual dynamics will then cause the victims original purse to b filled with pads (paper etc). All done with spiritual objects.
This is stealing but cant b proved physically because d physcal world doesnt believe in spirits.

This is d means used to steal laptops, cash etc.
Wen the syndicate get back to their hideout the original item will b there.

Let me give you another case you cannot explain logically: mystic mirrors.
With this mirror,the owner can conjure up the image of anybody on earth. The person's image will appear live on it.
He can also gather any information about anybody on earth. He can observe the activities of the person just like we'd watch videos on a tablet/monitor.

People deeply into d occult/witchcraft know these things are true.
But their practitioners keep it secret.
How dyu explain this? Or its fantasy.

It's u people tht need to b pitied,really.

With geniuses like asalimpo everywhere, Africa's position as the intellectual bastion of the world is secure.

asalimpo:


so the prayer was hit or miss luck or not?
Cmon. There's a bible passage where a disciple of Jesus was killed by a wicked king, but wen peter was imprisoned,the church prayed seriously and (by luck?), Peter was released.
The negative cases dont disprove the positive. So ur rule itself is wrong.
They wanted to kill her,like theyd done d others but d demon the ritualist slaughter to rejected her.
Incidentally, the girls parents were on a prayer alert.
Luck or consequence?

Luck assuming the story is true.