Do u know that Hebrew language which is the language of Jesus contains no letter J, then why do u call him Jesus not Isa, as it was written in original language of the Bible. Please ask anybody that understand the language before u post ur respond.

I can see another muslim coming on board to tell us they know more about our saviour than we do.  Whatever your name is, Isa was never Jesus' name. That is the name given to Him by your Qu'ran which muddles up different characters, names and events.

And by the way, the Hebrew name of Jesus is actually Joshua, the name Jesus is Greek.  So go back and find out from those 'scholars' who are confusing you before you try and make a mountain out of a molehill here.

@ firdaus4us

Do u know that Hebrew language which is the language of Jesus contains no letter J, then why do u call him Jesus not Isa, as it was written in original language of the Bible. Please ask anybody that understand the language before u post your respond.

I believe that most people by now know that the letter J wasn't around when the time of the Hebrew language was developing.

With that said what do you want us to know?

TayoD:

I can see another muslim coming on board to tell us they know more about our saviour than we do. Whatever your name is, Isa was never Jesus' name. That is the name given to Him by your Qu'ran which muddles up different characters, names and events.

And by the way, the Hebrew name of Jesus is actually Joshua. So go back and find out from those 'scholars' who are confusing you before you try and make a mountain out of a molehill here.

The Hebrew name of Jesus was Yeshua, the same way the four sacred consonants [YHWH] were transformed Y => J, W=>V and vowels added to form Jehovah. I'm just clarifying.

As for firdaus4us, he was called Yeshua not Isa. I wonder what you base your arguments on?

Jesus spoke "ARAMAIC",and his real name was Y(J)eshua bin Joseph.

@tayoD
I can bet the poster did not get his misinfos from any scholar.They are too versed to make such errors,and that is why they are called scholars.

@Zahymaka,

Indeed the hebrew name of Jesus is Yeshua, which I transliterated to Joshua for the guy to see the fundamental error in his posting.

@jagunlabi,

Blind hatred that is out to enforce an agender often clouds up the thinking of some of these scholars.  I bet that is where the problem lies.

Jesus originally spoke aramiac or "fi arabie" aromie. There is no J in this lanaguage. This happened beacuse the bible was translated from aramiac in greek. This name was I'sooa. This is then tranlated in latin and into europe. in spanish H'soos, in german prononced Y'soos. But the german is spelt jesus. The J's are Y's in german. The german's became christians before the british, so , trypical of british style, you make it britsh. So in english it is pronounced Jesus but in German it is Y'soos. For exsample. The name Jeremy come from the german for for jermiah. J's are Y's so, Yerimiah or Yerimi. Jerusalem. Yerusalem. johovah yahovah or yawway. This is because nobody want to give the appearce of changing the bible. I don't see why people don't want to learn the bible in the original language. It is all a peom. It sound quite butifiul when read. By the way the namefor Jesus in armaic is Ya'shu'a   
Ya = he , shu = saves, a = us. "he saves us"

firdaus4us:

Do u know that Hebrew language which is the language of Jesus contains no letter J, then why do u call him Jesus not Isa, as it was written in original language of the Bible. Please ask anybody that understand the language before u post your respond.

A muslim wants to teach us about Jesus.
wonders shall never end.
I'm all ears.

Definately, Jesus in not his name. In fact, nobody ever call him that during his time in this world. Or Any?
For sure, he will definately deny u that day.

firdaus4us:

Definately, Jesus in not his name. In fact, nobody ever call him that during his time in this world. Or Any?
For sure, he will definately deny u that day.

Is this what the grand Imam emphasized on last Friday?
How on earth does this concern you?

Alhamdulillahi, Jesus u are trying to claim, is never 4m ur family. Is Friday is ur prb? Friday is the Allah's grace on Muslims. I can pray my Jumah anywhere I feel to pray it. I am sure Jesus never inform u to choose Sunday as Sabbat day. Does he?.

firdaus4us:

I am sure Jesus never inform u to choose Sunday as Sabbat day. Does he?.

Nope!Emperor Constantine chose sunday for christians to merge a pagan day of worship of Sol Invictus with that of the then blossomming christian religion.Good political move!Smart guy,that constantine.
Before that,it used to be saturday for christians.

and who tells you we have a certain day we can worship only.
Ignorance is indeed a problem.

Hopefully you can pray in arabic since allah and his mo are deaf to any other language.
how pitiful!!!

This thread should have been over because earlier posts have answered your questions,don't know if you bothered reading them.
Maybe a good idea to go through it again.
Good bye.

babyosisi, you are posion.
Do us a favour and kill urself.
Please.

Chima32:

babyosisi, you are posion.
Do us a favour and kill yourself.
Please.

seeking attention?
usually when people begin to sound morbid,they maybe at the verge
do you need help?
Chineke mere anyi ebere.

babyloses/babycrisis will soon meet HELL prepared 4 him.
Shame u think our worship is like ur prayer.

Dear Fidau4us or whatever you name is
You and your so called scholars, imam etc are among the most ignorant individuals alive. Reason is that while we KNOW the God we serve, you guys do not. Our God is the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Israel, he came and dwelt among us as IMMANUEL OR YEHSHUA OR JESUS (in greek) to redeem us from our sin. You god called allah is who you face the east to worship. You are worshipping the constellations and your master in Hegeon. If you have a bible or have access to one, read the book of Ezekiel, chapter 8 vs 14 to 17, and you will have a very good idea. However, Jesus or Yehshua still loves you very much, you need to lay hold of this love by accepting Him as your lord and saviour and leave the god of violence you serve. It is excruciatingly idiotic when morons like you, under spiritual inspiration from your equally idiotic religious leaders want to start lecturing on what you dont know anything about. Humility and wisdom suggests you research before asking question, but you've been blinded from the knowledge of truth by the kings of the world. This is why educated able body but mentally lazy men will strap bomb to themselves and blow up people. Idiot!![b][/b]

I have made available to him on several threads the origin of allah.
Too bad the truth hurts.
Your confusion regarding the name of Jesus has been cleared up.
If you insist on not seeing it,too bad.

I have told your like several times that as long as you keep a peaceful demeanor no one would care about you guys but once you insist on blowing up the whole world including yourselves in search of virgins,be ready for the world to hear the real teachings of allah.

@Havila
u are seriously blinded from knowing the truth and you can never be set free.

u mean: GOD=IMMANUEL=YEHSHUA=JESUS. You are a fool.

If God=Jesus, then when he died for atleast 3days who was in charge of the world and who resurrected him?.

If God=Jesus, then God send God or Jesus sent Jesus for the saviour of his creation

If God=Jesus, then for God so love the world that He sent His only begotten son, , would either mean for God so love the world that he sent His only begotten God, or for Jesus so love the world that He sent His only begotten Jesus, It can even mean for Jesus so love the world that He sent His only begotten God,
etc

You have contradicted a lots of verses in the bible even chapters.

Also I need ur evidence where Jesus said that You should accept him as lord and personal saviour

My dear 'osama bin firdau4u'
I have come across your posts in various sections of this post but one universal taste your writingshave is that of absolute ignorance, superficial reason and 'cerebro-oral dissociation' i.e total disconnection between thinking and talking or rather writing.

I am not only free but 'free indeed' because whosoever Jesus Christ has set free is 'free indeed' (Read the book of John and Matthew in the bible for confirmation)

To the rest of your other ramblings, I will refer you to John 10 vs 30 where Jesus said and I quote "I and my Father are One". Our God is a triune God, one in nature but three in being -the father (Jehovah), the son (Jesus Christ), and holy spirit (truth/comforter) who is chasing you and convicting you as you read this. So you now know WHO raised Jesus from death, who was in charge when Jesus was making a public show of the devil in hades during his 'death' experience but death could not hold him and the grave could not contain him. Halleluyah!!! Our Lord is Risen.

Please do not generalise that all human are reasonable
For you to come to the internet where the whole world is reading/watching to disgrace yourself still amazes me why dont you go to school first before embarrassing yourself and displayed your ignorance

For a Beninois writes Wale as Ouale,Jimoh as Djimah, Yoruba would write George as Joji, Zidane as Sidan

Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew, Jesu in Yoruba, Iesus in Roman (Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaecium)INRI Jesus of Nazareth king of Jews

If you are Yoruba how come Yoruba write Quazim as Kasim Does that change the meaning? Simply because not all alphabet would exist in your language so you have to use the close subtitute e.g S for C, K for Q, F for V, S for X and S for Z in Yoruba language so the spelling of Christ would be Kristi,Veronica would be Feronika, e.t.c

Please do not generalise that all human are reasonable
For you to come to the internet where the whole world is reading/watching to disgrace yourself still amazes me why dont you go to school first before embarrassing yourself and displaying your ignorance

For a Beninois writes Wale as Ouale,Jimoh as Djimah, Yoruba would write George as Joji, Zidane as Sidan

Jesus name was Yeshua in Hebrew, Jesu in Yoruba, Iesus in Roman (Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaecium)INRI Jesus of Nazareth king of Jews

If you are Yoruba how come Yoruba write Quazim as Kasim Does that change the meaning? Simply because not all alphabet would exist in your language so you have to use the close subtitute e.g S for C, K for Q, F for V, S for X and S for Z in Yoruba language so the spelling of Christ would be Kristi,Veronica would be Feronika, e.t.c

Dear Browneyes/Mukina2/ Firdau4u/Olabowale and other muslims here, grab your Quran and do some research and get information on the following:
(1) The Quaran teaches that muslims must read and accept the Bible (Read Sura 5:47-50, Sura 55:69, Sura 2:53, Sura 10:94-95, Sura 4:82.

(2) The Quran testifies to the miraculous birth of Jesus through a virgin. (Sura 19:20, Sura 19:16-35) So Who is His father if not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
- That Jesus was without sin (Sura 19:19)
-That Jesus performed many miracles including raising people from death. (Surah 3:119, Surah 5:113, Surah 22:73)
-That Jesus ascended into heaven and He is still there. (Surah 4:158) and He is coming back.
-Quran refers to Jesus as Al-Masih i.e. the Messiah. (Surah 4:157, 171,172, Surah 9:31, Surah 3:45)
-Quran refers to Jesus as KALIMATULLAH i.e the Word of God (Surah 4:171, Surah 3:45) and also as Ruhun-minhu or Ruhullah i.e Spirit of God (Surah 4:171, Surah 58:22.) So is the Word of God and Spirit of God part of Him or a separate entity?. If possible, see Yusuf Alli's translation of the Quran, note 5365, p 1518, it states Jesus is the Very Spirit of God Himself.

(3) The Quran teaches that the followers of Jesus are superior (Read Sura 3:45 pleeaaseeeee and come on board fast)

(4) The Quran teaches that no one beside God can give life (Surah 22:73) and it also teaches that JESUS created and gave life (Surah 3:49, Surah 5:113). What does this mean?--by implication it means that Jesus must be God. From the QURAN!!!!!!

You ladies and gents sound like intelligent folks and I challenge you to read all the portions of the Quran referred to, it has been hidden from you by the imams, mullahs, and sheiks who have been preying on your ignorance but it is now revealed. In the whole of the quran there is not one verse that rejects the Bible as the infallible word of God but as I mentioned earlier it emphasises that you must read and accept it. Many of those who preach in your mosques know this but will rather hide it from you, TODAY has it been revealed, read (if you dare!!! I say) and You WILL NOT BOTHER TO READ THE QURAN AGAIN AFTERWARD but will get a Bible fast. Print this piece out, research it and challenge your leaders. I love you with the love of God.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Shalom.

@Havila
Why did u just cut and paste everywhere? For your information, I have refuted all your proves in the topic that bears your post heading. I will also post  the same here:
Havila, you shall come to know later.
@Havila
You are a liar. Why can't you quote the verse in full?

Q3:49. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

By Allah's leave!

We Muslim accept all the past Books sent down by Allah. We accept all his Prophet, we say nothing bad about them, unlike you christian, only Jesus is good, the rest not holy.

Q2:285.
The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

If u believe that because of the miraculous birth of Jesus then God is his father, what about Adam? Eve?

Better put:
God is the Father and Mother of Adam
God is the Mother of Eve and Adam is her father. Can u reason?

Creation of Jesus?
Q3:59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

Q22:73 "out of topic" Get a copy of Quran and check it.

I am very sure you never read the Quran in your life, why did u qoute from it what u know not? Q5:113 said nothing about giving life to the defunct! Not a mistake, you quoted it two times. Now your refutation below:

[b]Q5:110.
Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

Q5:111.
"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger. they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'".

Q5:112.
Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

Q5:113.
They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."

Q5:114.
Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

Q5:115.
Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples." [/b]

Ponder very well upon the italiced words.

Q5:47-52 didn't tell Muslims read and accept the Bible. You are a liar. Quote the verses if u are truthful!

Infact Q5:71-72 u quoted, makes us to realised that Jesus said you will be in Hell if u call him Allah. Read below the verses:
71. They thought there would be no trial (or punishment); so they became blind and deaf; yet Allah (in mercy) turned to them; yet again many of them became blind and deaf. But Allah sees well all that they do.

72. They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

Q5:69 doen't even support your claim.
Q55:69 u quoted says "Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?"
Q2:53, Q10:94-95, Q4:82, Q3:3, Q6:91, non of them support your argument.
Infact Q4:82 said "Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy."

Summarily, all the verses (Q2:53, Q10:94-95, Q4:82, Q3:3, Q6:91, Q5:69, Q55:69, Q5:47-52, Q5:113, Q3:49, Q5:71-72,
I still need your evidence that "The Quaran teaches that muslims must read and accept the Bible"

Jesus ascended into heaven
Yes, he ascended to the heaven by Allah's leave without being crusified contrary to your bible opinion that he was crusified.

Q4:157-159
157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

Q4:159 means on the death bed of each and everyone of you, christian, you shall be made to known by the Angel that Jesus son of Maryam was not crucified. It also means, when Jesus comes back to the surface of the earth, all christians alive then, will know that he was neither crucified nor raise from dead during his first life on earth.

Quran refers to Jesus as Al-Masih i.e. the Messiah.
Q4;171-172, didn't support you

Q4:171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Q4:172. Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

Note the italiced words.
Q9:31 you qouted says nothing about messiah, it is even against u. Read below
"They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."

Q4:157 has been quoted earlier. Non of the verses(Q4:157, 171,172, Q9:31, Q3:45) you qouted supports your arguments. Are you not then are a liar?.

Do u know what the Arabs called Al-masihu? Continue wallowing in hero, I may tell you later.

Quran refers to Jesus as KALIMATULLAH i.e the Word of God
We are all Kalimatullah even you. i.e Allah says be and it will definately be. Do you know the number of SPERMS your father ejaculated during intercourse with your mother? All fertilized the egg? That is Allah's word in operation.

The soul is from Allah, when we die the soul will go back to Him.
Q3:59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.



Ruhun-minhu or Ruhullah i.e Spirit of God
Definately yes, Ruhu means soul. Your own soul is from who? From holy demon/ghost?

Alhamdulillahi that you still believe that Jesus is not God.

The Quran teaches that the followers of Jesus are superior

Another lie. Read below;
Q3:45. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

Qoute the verse and I will explain better to you. I know Allah said that, even in that surah,  but you didn't know the interpretation.

The Quran teaches that no one beside God can give life
For certain, nobody! But the verse, Q22:73, you qouted didn't say that.
Q22:73. O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!

Surprisingly, you end your qoute with fallacy:
"it also teaches that JESUS created and gave life (Surah 3:49, Surah 5:113). What does this mean?--by implication it means that Jesus must be God"

Deductive Reasoning
1)If God can speak and Havila can speak, then God=Havila.
2)If Devil has eyes and Havila has eyes, then Devil=Havila
3)If Nunatics can walk and Havila can walk, then Havila is mad.
Tell me please if you need more.

We have read them and we found out that our imams, mullahs, and sheiks etc are right but YOU ARE A FOOL, DISSEMBLER and we are saved from your WILES.

@dayokanu
What u know not, definately seniours you. My point is that Nobody called him Jesus during his life on earth.
Qazeem is not Kaseem, it is a mistake. K is not the same as Q. Is Queen the same as kueen? Jimoh and Djimah sounds alike, D is not pronounce in the latter, etc.
In Hebrew, Yeshua is called eeso, it sounds like he saw. Hence Jesus sounds contradictory to Yeshua. Go and learn hebrew for u to know better.

I wonder why things are so difficult Okay how would you expect Yorubas to write down Quazim, Queen, Zidane,George, when they dont have some of these Alphabet in their list of alphabets or why then call John - Johanu I am sure you would be bothered about where the a and the u came from
Ousman is written as Usman by many

Assignment in any english dictionary check the pronounciation of anything starting with J you would notice that phonetically its dj

Problem is, if nobody called Him "Jesus" during His life here on earth, where did Muhammad engineer his own version of "Isa" from long after Jesus was no longer on earth? Muhammad didn't speak Hebrew, or I wonder what He would have tried to call "J[/b]ihad" if he had wanted to invade the Jews (or is it "[b]iews"?)! Or, for those in making the Ha[b]jj[/b], should we now change that to Ha[b]ii[/b]? Or, an Alhaji should now be written as Alha[b]ii[/b]??

The point is, if Hebrew was not Muhammad's language, why quarrel with those who know the Saviour as "Jesus"? At least, nobody called Him "Isa" during His life, and why quarrel with others if Muhammad didn't speak the "Language of Jesus" in the first place?

I hope these lessons will not erupt into another iihad (or, for those of us with the "J" in our phonetics, that should be "Jihad"!

@dayokanu
Ok, Why do u call Yeshua Jesus then in English? Is Y absent in English?
@4get_me
In Islam, we call him Isa, yes, that sounds more close to Yeshua pronunciation than Jesus. Is Y absent in English?
J & I are both present in Arabic language. Or What are u really talking about?

I hope these expostulations will not erupt into another CRUSADE

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:

@4get_me
In Islam, we call him Isa, yes, that sounds more close to Yeshua pronunciation than Jesus. Is Y absent in English?
J & I are both present in Arabic language. Or What are u really talking about?

First, there's no J and I in crusade, so fear not! 

Now, if J & I are both present in Arabic, for crying out loud, why not then use "J[/b]sa" instead of Isa? This lectures on language barrier is not helping the Quraish (or is it "Qurajsh"?) at all.

Interestingly enough, there are some languages that have their perculiarities. In one of my recent travels, I learnt that the Swedes have very interesting tongue-twisters. Take for instance, the word "gift" (meaning "married" is pronounced something like "[b]y[/b]ift" and not the [b]g[/b]ift with a strong guttoral on '[b]g'. So, what we call 'Gothenborg' in English (south of Sweden) is actually "Guteborg" and pronounced (Yu-te-bo-ree), not "gu-te-bug"! Fancy that!  And whether you say "Gothenborg" or "Guteborg", the Swedes know exactly where you're talking about!

At the end of the day, the Bible says that all nations that God has made will come and worship Him (Psa. 86:9), and He most certainly welcomes worship in the language that people are born with. I have always called upon the name of the Son of God as "Jesus" in English, and when worshipping with my Yoruba friends we call Him "Jesu". Believe me, just because we use the J in '[b]J[/b]esus', God hasn't frowned one single time upon His children - and we have seen miracles happen before our very eyes, because that Name is powerful! 

Where do u get j from? Is Y=J
Jsa is not the same as Isa.
Miracle? Ok, that is why you are a Christian. That right, witches can also perform many. I pray that your pastor will not perform miracle one day and tell you your mother is among the witches or your wife is the enemy of your progress. Trully, you may see them (your mother & wife) saying delivish things after the magic of your pastor on them in the name of Jesus.

@firdaus4us,

See where your reasoning goes on vacation? I'm not a Christian because of "Miracle", but rather because Jesus Christ is the Saviour. Besides, did the Qur'an not acknowledge that Jesus Christ performed miracles?? So where did you get 'witches' and 'magic' in the name of Jesus? If this is a way of advertizing what you're suffering from in your family, help is only a prayer away - call on the Name of Jesus Christ, and you will see healing and deliverance that Muhammad was unable to give you.

4get_me
look, the girl is an 'ignoramus'.

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