By Yashiko Sagamori

"If you are so sure that ' Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history,' I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

1.? When was it founded and by whom?
2.? What were its borders?
3.? What was its capital?
4.? What were its major cities?
5.? What constituted the basis of its economy?
6.? What was its form of government?
7.? Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8.? Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9.? What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
You are lamenting the 'low sinking' of a 'once proud' nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that 'nation' proud and what was it so proud of?

And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call 'Palestinians' are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?

The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it 'the Palestinian people' and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the 'West Bank' and Gaza , respectively?

The so-called 'Palestinians' have only one?motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in?my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation' -- or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.

In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel 's ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria .

That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning? "

These words may i feel be somewhat general, as i believe many palestinians do not want the destruction of israel. All Israel wants is peace. Please do not blame her for protecting herself against the evil of Hamas in this conflict

Ignorant questions by an ignorant journalist.

Do the phrases "two-state solution" and "occupied territories" mean anything to that journalist who obviously skipped classes when Pol Sci 101 was being taught in school?

RichyBlacK:

Ignorant questions by an ignorant journalist.

Do the phrases "two-state solution" and "occupied territories" mean anything to that journalist who obviously skipped classes when Pol Sci 101 was being taught in school?

Please can you point out the ignorant points made by this journalist cause I seem to find a lot of reasoning in his statements i.e coming form someone who is obviously inpartial to both sides of the conflict unlike some of us here.

@RSA,

You need to provide a source for the above article.  Providing the author's name is not enough,

@RichyBlack,

Ignorant questions by an ignorant journalist.

Of course the guy is ignorant.  That is why he is asking the questions so that you can enlightene him.  Care to provide the answers?

Do the phrases "two-state solution"  and "occupied territories" mean anything to that journalist who obviously skipped classes when Pol Sci 101 was being taught in school?

Not everyone had the priviledge of sitting under the tutelage of a Professor of history.  However, everyone's got some common sense which the journalist is obviously using here.  He's asked some commong sense questions that should provide a good background to solving the crisis.  Why are you afraid to tackle the questions?  Why the attack on his person?

RichyBlacK:

Ignorant questions by an ignorant journalist.

His questions are only "ignorant" because there are no valid answers. That there are no valid answers is a FIRM INDICATION that the idea of an arab "palestinian people" is nothing but a fraud.

RichyBlacK:

Do the phrases "two-state solution" and "occupied territories" mean anything to that journalist who obviously skipped classes when Pol Sci 101 was being taught in school?

It is the deception that those two phrases portray that is the heart of the author's article. There can be no "two states" when one has never existed before. there can be no "occupied territories" when there was never one in the first place.
The author is simply asking 1 question . . . before you jump about crying "occupation" pls prove to us who are the occupied.

I particularly love these portions of the article:

And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call 'Palestinians' are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, [size=13pt]why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?[/size]

- Can anyone pls answer the above? why were gaza and the west bank never claimed as occupied territories until 1967?

For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it 'the Palestinian people' and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . [size=13pt]How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the 'West Bank' and Gaza , respectively?[/size]

- We are yet to recieve an answer as to why Egypt and Jordan no longer want the lands they cried so loudly for in 1967.

Before lambasting the author pls try to unemotionally consider his points. At least now i know not everyone has gone mad.

Ha notice how the hypocrites are suddenly silent when confronted with reality.

Tayo-D:

@RSA,

You need to provide a source for the above article.  Providing the author's name is not enough,

http://yashiko.middleeastfacts.com/

http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3598

www.freeman.org/m_online/mar03/sagamori.htm - 6k

Ok I get it she is not a Jap,she is a Jew using Japs name.

@DavidDylan: « #4 on: January 20, 2009, 05:07 PM »

His questions are only "ignorant" because there are no valid answers. That there are no valid answers is a FIRM INDICATION that the idea of an arab "palestinian people" is nothing but a fraud.

When you read Surah Isra, you will find Masjid Aqsa in Jerusalem being mentioned, in there. When Umar bin Khattab opened Jerusalem, we find that the Christian Patriach was refenced in the dialogue that took place. Please noticed that there was no mention of "jews," as significant people in Jerusalem of Palestine at that time. Why, because the Jews or better name, the Children of Israel were in diaspora. So in essence, the land was palestine, unless your Bible which called them Philistine was lying. The people living there in Hebrew or a semitic language were called people of philistine.
Afterall when Ibrahim arrived in this land, it was already been inhabited by people of philistine. Please challenge your Bible on this matter, instead of the silly "japanese" journalist.

It is the deception that those two phrases portray that is the heart of the author's article. There can be no "two states" when one has never existed before. there can be no "occupied territories" when there was never one in the first place.
The author is simply asking 1 question . . . before you jump about crying "occupation" pls prove to us who are the occupied.

How then does the whole world come about this term of two states? David, are you saying that when the Zionists arrived with their instruments of destructions (their persons), that the land was empty, without anyone living in it? Now just to ridicule you and the silly japanese journalist; was there a country known as Nigeria until the year 1900, when Nigeria was amalgamated? Were there no Yorubas, Igbos, Hausa, Ijaws, Ibiobio, Edo, Ijala, Nupe, and others in the now Nigria, then? What were the many islanders known as the japanese of today called before they were called japanese?

It is at least believed in the Wets that the Arab people are older than most people on earth. For sure the Europeans believe that they are younger than the people of Arabic bloodlines, and Jewish bloodlines. If we corner the Jews to be just those who came out of Egypt, then the Ethiopian Jewry will not be part of the jews, since they are products of Sulayman and Bilquis.

In the case of arabs, the yemenis were there long time before Ismail (AS) arrived in Makka. The Iraqis were there before Ibrahim left Ur, Iraq. Only deceitful people will raise the questions listed by the "silly" journalsit from Japan. In his culture, liars or corrupt or shamed people do commit arikiri. But I will not suggest it to him, because I am a muslim.





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And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call 'Palestinians' are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
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This question simply shows that not all Japanese use their brain. Obviously the journalist does not. Anyone who knows anything about Islamic culture will know that the muslims for the most part, did not use to overthrow their leadership or rulers. They often wait to let him dies off. So in the days of the islamic tormoil, tyrannical leaders will in time dies. This was the case when the British government took over the Palestinian land. Afterall, England in her expansionist mindset never knew that the sun will set on them. But the Palestinian Arabs, who were for the most part Muslims knew that Allah's Will wil come to pass. And six day war was only 1967. When my father (ra) left for Hajj in 1966, he told us that he would visit Quds, in Palestine.

- Can anyone pls answer the above? why were gaza and the west bank never claimed as occupied territories until 1967?

You need to read books of History, man. Look at what Israel was before 1967. Say 1966, when Alhaji Pakulopa went to Hajj. The rest of the land was palestine. The whole of Jerusale was a whole city; there was not east or west. People need to think. And before the US-Spanish war, Texas and others were Mexican land.

And to come back to your question; See the year 1967? Is there any year before it? You wll find your answer in those many many years.




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For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it 'the Palestinian people' and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the 'West Bank' and Gaza , respectively?
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And at one time, there were Kamikazzi pilots. El stupido. This man needs to be stripped off his Japanese citizenship.

- We are yet to recieve an answer as to why Egypt and Jordan no longer want the lands they cried so loudly for in 1967.

Before lambasting the author pls try to unemotionally consider his points. At least now i know not everyone has gone mad.

Which land is that? The Palestian refugees are crying loudly for Palestine; Jerusalem and co. can the zionists please return it and go back to their European hell holes? And take david along with them? By the way, so that I am not one sided about territories, could anyone tell me where is the Territorial boundaries of Biblical Israel? Was Ibrahim part of the Children of Israel or he was the one named Israel? Was he the father or the grandfather of the man named Israel? Was Ibrahim not given a promise of land? Was this land not the property of all his Cildren?

Could the children of Jacob (Israel) the only one with full right to it? What about the children of Esau, the brother of Jacob? Remember that the Children of Ibrahim are blessed through and under his blessings? Could his grand son, Esau, through Isaac be not under this blessings? What was the sin of Esau?

Then would the children of Ismail, the first son, and first born not be beneficiaries of father Ibrahim blessings, too? Now tell me, david, where is the boundary of what Ibrahim was given? Do the Israelites the only beneficiaries of this land?

@Davidylan obviously this is the same jargon you put up in the other thread and accusing me of cowerdly not responding. How on earth should i respond to a stupid and foolish question. Was there anything called the state of israel before 1947? Where the jews predominantly caucascian as we see today in Israel on that land prior to 1947? where there people living on that land before the state of Israel was created?

You fail to remember that all this states and countries were created by the British after the collapse of the ottaman empire. Your arguement of a country called palestine not known before is not just foolish but malicious.

Why on earth does all the countries of the world called those land occupied territories if it is not under occupation. Why are you saying Israel is begging egypt to take BACK gaza. You can only give BACK what initially did not belong to you.

All the palestinian refugees asking for the right to return - where did they come from is it from the sky ?

Why are they asking for a state if they had a state before. You and your foolish japanese journalist should stop typing rubbish on here.

;« on: January 20, 2009, 10:05 AM »  
By Yashiko Sagamori

"If you are so sure that ' Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history,' I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

What there a country known as Germany, say 2000 years ago? What was the name of japan, say 3000 years ago? Infant journalist.

1.? When was it founded and by whom?
2.? What were its borders?
3.? What was its capital?
4.? What were its major cities?

Ethiopia was not known as Ethiopia say 7 thousand years ago. and its boundary was not what it is now. Condering the fact that Queen Bilquis died in Ijebu Ode, we see that her territory must have extended far into Yoruba land. For once, a people do not have to have a boundary further than where the last person amongst them lives. Nigeria can not extend further than where Northerners of Nigeria live, in the North, and it can't in the West further than where the Westerners live nor can it in the east extend further than were the  Easterners live.

In Palestine, we know about Quds or Jerusalem. And it serves as its capital then becaue of Masjid Aqsa. And a society does not have to have a single founder. Who then founded the Biblical era Israel; Ibrahim who was not an israelite, or Isiaq his son or yaqub who was named Israel? None of these people was an Israelite! And the celebrated Musa (AS), did not arrive in Palestine.

5.? What constituted the basis of its economy?
6.? What was its form of government?

Farming. They grew Olives and others. Theri governance is by Sharia. What a silly journalist.

7.? Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8.? Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9.? What was the language of the country of Palestine ?

This man need good Arabic education. Leadership of islamic palestine was by emirship. He needs to know there were people who were the mufti of Jerusalem, the seat of power of this people before the Jews came out of Holocaust. Afterall, I remember that somebody was saying that the "palestinian nazi group." At least the third Reich of Germany/Austria recognized palestine. And the palestinian spoke Arabic, in their own accent. The arabs know one another's accents.

10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.

How old is this journalist? A toddler? Probably a teenager. He forgot Islam. He forgot Dinar as the currency. Shame on your "silly" journalist.

12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

he should have asked the Jewry zionists. Or at least the pseudo-jew, David.

You are lamenting the 'low sinking' of a 'once proud' nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that 'nation' proud and what was it so proud of?

Masjid Aqsa is a glearing symbol. What symbol do we have of the existence of an Israeli existence prior to post holocaust?

And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call 'Palestinians' are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?

People from Okinawa are known by the people of Okaiddo, to be different and distinct from them, in subtle features. I remember about 10 years ago, I was in a mosque in Brooklyn, a young Moroccan saw my friend, and all this little boy asked him was; what city do you come from in Morocco? My friend who almost looked white compared to his brother who is olive skin, said that the little boy knew him by subtle indicators that may not be known by non-arabs.

Is there anything generic about Nigerians; you almost can tell a yoruba apart from hausa and also from igbo. I am not using Africans, because that is a no brainer. And to even define human being even more specifically, the Ekitis can be identified separately and distinct from the oyos, and that can be very distinct from the egbas, etc. You dont have generic "people," if you are from the group or close associated group.

The Ijebus are well know from others. So are the Ibadans. Yet all of us are Omo Oduduwa or Kaaro Ejire.

The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it 'the Palestinian people' and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the 'West Bank' and Gaza , respectively?

And the Biblical writer Jews made sure that they never have shied away from their primary intent; the dehumanization of the Ismaila (AS) side of Ibrahim's (AS) family tree. If they mentain this fact, it is very easy for them to destroy this people, and they started by calling Ismail an illegitimate, a wild man, etc. You see who first threw the stone of destruction?

The so-called 'Palestinians' have only one?motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in?my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation' -- or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.

Ignoranly silly journalist did not remember the dead kahani, whose whole idea from brooklyn to Jerusalem was to run the whole arabs, and indeed palestinians out of palestine or into the mediterranian sea. Should we forget comatosed ariel Sharon? Or withered evil eye lady Goldier Meier from Indiana? Every dog has its day. Where are day now? In another 50 years, I hope that David will look around and reflect about Ariel Sharon's live. Or benjamin 'slimy mouth" Natayanhu. Will they not be old and wither?

In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel 's ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria .

And what will Israel pay for the destructions of the infrastructures; land and farm trees that were grown prior to the arrival of the Zionists? We should ask this man a very simple question; Is Israel (Jacob) a grandson more important than (Ishmael) a direct son, first born son and child to Ibrahim? I hope the japanese culture is not like this.

This man has truly abandoned ability to think.

Olabowale why are you stating the history written in the koran as facts?

bindex:

Olabowale why are you stating the history written in the koran as facts?

If the histories stated in Quran are not facts that means the Israelite and the state of Israel is nothing than a shit by the west. Ode

Philistines and Cannanites are not Proto-Palestinian Arab Ancestors.

There are no "Palestinian people" only Bastardized Pseudo Arabians.

No answers just yet?