We have heard it all how the world began and how Satan rebelled against God and was driven to earth.

He thereafter corrupted humans and we inherited death. We accept Jesus the savior and redeemer which qualifies us for heaven.

If heaven is pure and without sin, what tempted the devil in the first place?

Do we still have the capacity to sin when we get to heaven?

U nailed it OP. dem no fit answer the question

Can someone please provide explanations and answers!

PietraK:
Can someone please provide explanations and answers!

The indications we have are:
1. The old order of things (would have) passed away - Rev. 21:4b
2. It will be the home of righteousness - 2 Peter 3:13
3. There will be the "making everything new!" - Rev. 21:5a
So we can say that the things that made for sin in the first place will be done away with.

If we cannot choose to sin in heaven then there is no free will, we are just robots in heaven. How sad.

@trustman

Before the fall of man, was heaven not a righteous place? But Lucifer sinned.

What are the things that made for sin that will be done away with?

The first man, Adam, sinned, and his transgression spiraled mankind into sin, but this was not sin’s origin. Ezekiel 28:13-15 speaks figuratively of Satan, who was originally created without flaw, as all things created by God were. Verse 15 gives us a hint as to the origin of sin: “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.” Isaiah 14:12-14 further indicates that Satan (Lucifer) sinned in his pride and his coveting of God’s throne. When he rebelled against God, Satan was ejected from heaven (Ezekiel 28:15-17; cf. 1 Timothy 3:6).

Which brings us to the question, how did evil manifest itself in a perfect creature? It may be good to mention that evil is not a created thing—it is not a creature and has no independent being. Also, evil has no standard as goodness does; it is a lack, a deficiency, a falling short of the standard of God’s perfect goodness. All sin, no matter how trivial it may seem, falls short of moral perfection. God is always consistent with His perfect nature (Deuteronomy 32:4). All sin, therefore, must come from the creature, and the desire for evil comes from within the creature (James 1:14-15). Sin was “found” in Lucifer because of a choice that the angel made to seek something other than what God had chosen for him. Any time we seek “other” than God’s choice, we sin.

To say sin originated within God’s creatures does not mean God was surprised or caught unaware by it. Although God did not bring about sin, He certainly allowed it or it would not exist, since God is sovereign over all things. It’s true that He could have prevented sin, but that would have meant stripping His creation of its free will (Daniel 4:17; cf. Psalm 33:10-11). All His ways are good. In Him is “no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5), and He is right now working all things for His good pleasure (Romans 8:28; cf. Isaiah 46:9-10).

The mystery of evil and why God has allowed its reality with all of the suffering it causes may never be fully known in this world, but Scripture assures that evil is temporary. Once the culmination of God’s redemptive plan is complete, Jesus Christ will have destroyed the devil’s work forever (1 John 3:.

So more people could still be demoted into hell? This is getting interesting!

Medicis:
The first man, Adam, sinned, and his transgression spiraled mankind into sin, but this was not sin’s origin. Ezekiel 28:13-15 speaks figuratively of Satan, who was originally created without flaw, as all things created by God were. Verse 15 gives us a hint as to the origin of sin: “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.” Isaiah 14:12-14 further indicates that Satan (Lucifer) sinned in his pride and his coveting of God’s throne. When he rebelled against God, Satan was ejected from heaven (Ezekiel 28:15-17; cf. 1 Timothy 3:6).

God created lucifer with "pride" which so happens to be the "origin" of his sin. Why did god create lucifer with pride in the first place if he knew it was going to lead him to sin?

Which brings us to the question, how did evil manifest itself in a perfect creature? It may be good to mention that evil is not a created thing—it is not a creature and has no independent being. Also, evil has no standard as goodness does; it is a lack, a deficiency, a falling short of the standard of God’s perfect goodness. All sin, no matter how trivial it may seem, falls short of moral perfection. God is always consistent with His perfect nature (Deuteronomy 32:4). All sin, therefore, must come from the creature, and the desire for evil comes from within the creature (James 1:14-15). Sin was “found” in Lucifer because of a choice that the angel made to seek something other than what God had chosen for him. Any time we seek “other” than God’s choice, we sin.

You just contradicted yourself in this comment. If the creature can be imperfect that automatically means the creator is also imperfect. A perfect being should be able to create perfection. Do you even know the meaning of "perfect"?

To say sin originated within God’s creatures does not mean God was surprised or caught unaware by it. Although God did not bring about sin, He certainly allowed it or it would not exist, since God is sovereign over all things. It’s true that He could have prevented sin, but that would have meant stripping His creation of its free will (Daniel 4:17; cf. Psalm 33:10-11). All His ways are good. In Him is “no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5), and He is right now working all things for His good pleasure (Romans 8:28; cf. Isaiah 46:9-10).

The mystery of evil and why God has allowed its reality with all of the suffering it causes may never be fully known in this world, but Scripture assures that evil is temporary. Once the culmination of God’s redemptive plan is complete, Jesus Christ will have destroyed the devil’s work forever (1 John 3:.

This last two paragraphs only point out god's incompetence. What happened to all the magic and "miracles" he is known for? So he could part the red sea, turn 5loaves of bread and 2 fish into millions and other crap but he couldn't take the initiative and NOT create lucifer with pride or even simply forgive lucifer and replace his pride with something else. Instead he has chosen to keep malice with lucifer and sentence the whole mankind into an endless battle of whom to serve.

Petty

hahn:


This last two paragraphs only point out god's incompetence. What happened to all the magic and "miracles" he is known for? So he could part the red sea, turn 5loaves of bread and 2 fish into millions and other crap but he couldn't take the initiative and NOT create lucifer with pride or even simply forgive lucifer and replace his pride with something else. Instead he has chosen to keep malice with lucifer and sentence the whole mankind into an endless battle of whom to serve.

Petty

Gush!! you sound like someone whose IQ is very low, more like a kindergarten.

Medicis:
Gush!! you sound like someone whose IQ is very low, more like a kindergarten.

Ill take that as a compliment

1 Corinthians 2:14 ►
New International Version
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Verse 14. - The natural man. The Greek word is ψυχικὸς (psychical); literally, soulish, i.e. the man who lives the mere life of his lower understanding, the unspiritual, sensuous, and egoistic man. He may be superior to the fleshly, sensual, or carnal man, who lives only the life of the body (σωματικὸς); but is far below the spiritual man (πνευματικός). St. Paul (1 Thessalonians 5:23) recognizes the tripartite nature of man - body, soul, spirit. Receiveth not; i.e. "does not choose to accept." He judges them by the foregone conclusions of his own prejudice. Because they are spiritually judged. The organ for the recognition of such truths - namely, the spirit - has become paralyzed or fallen into atrophy, from neglect; therefore the egoist and the sensualist have lost the faculty whereby alone spiritual truth is discernible. It becomes to them what painting is to the blind, or music to the deaf. This elementary truth is again and again insisted on in Scripture, and ignored by sceptics (Romans 8:6, 7; John 3:3; John 6:44, 45; John 14:17; 2 Corinthians 4:3-6). This verse is sometimes used to depreciate knowledge, reason, and intellect.

PietraK:
We have heard it all how the world began and how Satan rebelled against God and was driven to earth.

He thereafter corrupted humans and we inherited death. We accept Jesus the savior and redeemer which qualifies us for heaven.

If heaven is pure and without sin, what tempted the devil in the first place?

Do we still have the capacity to sin when we get to heaven?

God keeps the essence of corruption at bay. The presence of His glory in heaven makes it holy and pure. What makes heaven heaven is the throne of God. But this present heaven will be destroyed by Him. It is no longer fit for future use and it has been contaminated by rebellion. So, what God is planning to do is to burn it and roll it away. That's the reason for a new heaven. Sin is simply that which is anti-God.

Nope, you won't even have an iota of sinful thoughts when the new heaven appears. It is possible for strange thoughts to come in this present heaven but you can't carry it out. What this present heaven will be used for is not for praising God only as most taught. It will be used for impacting you with the knowledge of God, removing and washing you thoroughly of any earthly nature still remaining in you. That's why it is written ' God will wipe away every tears...." Former things have passed away as recorded in Revelation. What made men sinful was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. What will make men righteous, holy, and without sin forever is the tree of Life. You will be forever sealed. You will be exactly like God, the image of the Father. God can't deny His nature, so also you won't be able to sin. Coz the child of a tiger will always resemble the tiger. That's why it is good and better to learn it and achieve that program here on earth like Enoch et al did. When you get to that planet, growth may be slow. Those who are ahead of you, you can never catch up with them.

Satan tempted himself. Sin is simply turning away from the light of God and creating your own light. You don't want to use His light any longer to live. That's sin. And that's what he did. Why he fought against God was because he wants the Adonnai position, which Jesus now occupies. God kind of told him, that he has failed for even desiring that position. You don't ask for things like that, wait for God Himself to pick u up (remember the story of little children and Jesus). That was when satan sinned, he erred by allowing violence to fill him..and turned love to lust( note, everything called sin is a 'turning' of something. A twisted form of the original), righteousness to wickedness, light to darkness, faith to fear, obedience to disobedience, humility to pride etc and taught others to do the same. That is, he taught others to embrace his own kind of light. And God looked at how Lucifer wrote the formula for a way of life and how to live and said, "This is Sin."

I will react generally to all posts above.

If the new heaven will be without sin, does it mean that God finally strips us of our free will?

It was recorded that God confirmed his works perfect and we all agree God is perfect in the christian faith. But the work of his hands "lucifer" sinned. Is Sin not a big flaw considering the problem the world faces and the consequences of sin?

Why did God give us free will in the first place when he certainly wants us to worship him alone and remain where he put us?

hahn:




Ill take that as a compliment

It is so funny how that guy systematically avoided your questions. This is becoming the norm.

theAtheist101:


It is so funny how that guy systematically avoided your questions. This is becoming the norm.

What do you expect from someone who believed salt water would cure/prevent ebola?

hahn:


What do you expect from someone who believed salt water would cure/prevent ebola?

Medicis:
Gush!! you sound like someone whose IQ is very low, more like a kindergarten.

What an irony.

PietraK:
We have heard it all how the world began and how Satan rebelled against God and was driven to earth.

He thereafter corrupted humans and we inherited death. We accept Jesus the savior and redeemer which qualifies us for heaven.

If heaven is pure and without sin, what tempted the devil in the first place?

Do we still have the capacity to sin when we get to heaven?

What is SIN? When we understand sin, we will understand it causes.
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. - James 1:14-15


Lets go back to Genesis the first record of sin.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. - Genesis 3:4-6

From the passage above especially the BOLDED, you will see what caused Eve to sin.
Lust of the eyes. She probably has been looking at the fruit for sometime cos she was standing close to the tree. Satan took advantage.

Conclusion:
Like Apostle James said, we are tempted with things we desire. I am straight, even if a naked guy passes in front of me, I will even be disgusted. However, for a beautiful lady, now that is temptation.

Satan desired power, wanted to be God. Since he fell with other angels, I guess they assured him that they had his back (so they thought alike cos they had free will). The scripture below will show more:
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. - Genesis 6:2
Satan was not in heaven to tempt these Angels that fell because of women. They had bad and good thoughts. They choose bad. They were not the only Angels in heaven.

So we see that even without Satan, if a man thinks evil continually, he soon becomes what he thinks. Satan may help fuel it but the seeds were developed by the person.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5

I often say I feel sorry for Satan. Folks do things and blame it on him. On judgement day, we will see that a lot of the sins commited were from the imaginations of man not Satan.

PietraK:
I will react generally to all posts above.

If the new heaven will be without sin, does it mean that God finally strips us of our free will?

No and He doesn't need to. Seeing that we have passed the right/wrong test on Earth, you are certified to remain good in Heaven. Even if you choose to become bad in Heaven, you can always refer to what happened to Satan.

Why did God give us free will in the first place when he certainly wants us to worship him alone and remain where he put us?

Forcing folks to worship you is no worship. God is not man who can force people to do their bidding.
Personally, I will say that giving you free will is the test or exam. Since you have good and bad thoughts in you, you choose to worship God. God can make 1 billion "robots" to worship him all day long. I'm sure man will like that

The statement made by God in Genesis 3:22 shows that Adam was made but there was a certain allowance made for his freewill, in other words he was to choose how he will be for all eternity, more like a period of decision (I dont know how long this was to last). Not that death was already existent, but in that state, Adam was to choose the life he wanted and was warned of the outcome if he went for the forbidden tree
Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

If Adam and Eve had taken from the tree mentioned, there will be no need for redemption again hence it was an act out of love that Adam was sent out of the garden. This tells us that there was an aspect that God did not want to force on Adam (according to His Principle) when He created him.

Now those who get to Heaven are those who (thanks to the Redemption in Christ) made a choice and received God's grace while on earth (there own time of decision). At death, we pass over to the other side where death has no power and (by God's arrangement) we live forever in the state we chose during our time of decision and in the place where our decision leads to.

As a corollary, those who die in Christ being free from sin (having made that as a choice while on earth) will forever live with Him in that state, as a consequence of their decision vice versa.

PietraK:
I will react generally to all posts above.

If the new heaven will be without sin, does it mean that God finally strips us of our free will?

It was recorded that God confirmed his works perfect and we all agree God is perfect in the christian faith. But the work of his hands "lucifer" sinned. Is Sin not a big flaw considering the problem the world faces and the consequences of sin?

Why did God give us free will in the first place when he certainly wants us to worship him alone and remain where he put us?

I don't think you know what it means to be a partaker of divine nature as said by Apostle Peter? This is a nature even angels sought for but they don't get. You still have not yet understood the concept of sin. "sin" is just a program designed by on heavenly rascal that fell among the cherubims of glory. The reason you talk this way is that you have believe "the lie" that this is the way things ought to be and we can't do without sin (a lifestyle). Have you asked yourself why Jesus didn't sin for one seconds or milli, nano seconds or whatever we call it? Because HE knew the ugliness of sin, its true nature and what satan did. Satan is Sin (they are one). So, when you are now given a Life that is higher than this present angels (satan inclusive), we you still stoop low and say "na suffering sweet pass", "suffering no be vegetable soup now". God won't strip anybody of their free will.


PietraK, let me ask you a question (no offence): Can you eat FAECES?

I doubt it. Whatever happened to Luci can happen to others.

We have to fast and pray against it when we get to heaven.

Why would god be a man or a he?

I hate people who call themselves sinners. Don't you know the tag SINNER is akin to CRIMINAL?

I wonder what sort of people pride themselves in being referred to as criminals.

It's no point even asking as they can't give an answer because all that never happened in the first place.

He made all things perfect, lucifer aka Satan, was even the most perfect, yet somehow in a perfect heaven, sin(that was nowhere before) found the most perfect thing an all knowing God created and corrupted it, where the feck did the sin come from if not from God who made all things? Nonsense.

freecocoa:
It's no point even asking as they can't give an answer because all that never happened in the first place.

He made all things perfect, lucifer aka Satan, was even the most perfect, yet somehow in a perfect heaven, sin(that was nowhere before) found the most perfect thing an all knowing God created and corrupted it, where the feck did the sin come from if not from God who made all things? Nonsense.

be decievin urself
dere oldie
answa ma request
already!

The answer to the question lies in this verse: Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
where did the evil that God know come from??

Bro, Heaven is a place that can never accommodate what you called sin, if heave is the head quarter of the HOLY SPIRIT. Holy I'm talking about is PURIFIER, nothing comes out IT imperfect. There is nothing like devil, b/c GOD did not introduce the devil to man as a tools of distraction, confusion and destruction, when he declare HIMSELF THE FATHER and introduce A MAN to His creation and declare AUTHORITY on HIM to rule over the earth. If GOD were to create the devil there would be no EVE, b/cos what you called the devil would be the vice PRECIDENT and in that position, he can not intimidate MAN which is the PRESIDENT, talk less of confronting GOD (THE FATHER). Now you can see that MAN invented the devil as the result of sudden change THEY experienced in the GARDEN OF EDEN when THEY notice that THEY where both naked right there in front of each other, as their GLORIOUS BODY departed from THEM. GOD said to them, you are now qualified to go and perform your duties, by lighten-up the earth and start your creation. Immediately, They loss their vision to GOD and found them self on earth where they experienced thick darkness with traumatic experiences in the night. There was no choice for GOD to made than MAN to light-up the earth, b/cos HE desire to experience HIMSELF as THE CREATOR. LIFE IS A PROCESS OF CREATION, the first thing man created happen to be the devil(destroy everyone violently in the land) devil and hell only exist in the thought of individuals as their own creation as what would experiences when they get back their glorious body, but immediately they change their thought to being in another environment, they see their selves there, for as you think in your heart so be it.

@twosqaure Thank you.

I cannot eat Faeces because it is not food. Can you? Perhaps you can. Since you think Devil sinning is tantamount to eating faeces. Therefore, if devil could sin, you too can eat faeces.

It is a matter of fact that Evil existed even before the creation of man. Evident in God's words and it is pretty obvious that evil is normal before God. Let me explain before you hack me down for heresy or blasphemy.

Sometime ago in biblical history, God sent an evil spirit from his throne to afflict King Saul. A few more of such abound in the bible.

Secondly, The fruit we ate at the garden of eden only opened our eyes to what already exists. Perhaps Adam and Eve sinned on daily basis but could not tell from right and good. The tree of knowledge opened their eyes to see that they were naked. Being naked to me is nature but it is often classified as immoral and dirty. Why?

I dont want to distract myself, what i am saying is that Evil existed in heaven, will continue to exist till eternity.

Will Angels too be upgraded to a new state where they cannot sin anymore? The bible didnt say.

It is my submission that nature Itself is both good and evil. They balance each other.

I still wonder why we Christians dont walk naked
because that was God's plan. We got ourselves cloths that God didnt give to us naturally. Isnt that against God's plan just as we preach against ear-hole, earing and other ornaments.

I await responses

sonmvayina:
The answer to the question lies in this verse: Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
where did the evil that God know come from??

The basic definition of evil is, "being or becoming or aiming to achieve something apart and/or separate from God, but with the goal of grasping a semblance of His attribute(s)".(James 4:13-16). The offshoots (murder, lying, fornication etc) thereof are just the results.

The evil had its origin from the devil. Isaiah 14 shows this. The temptation of Eve was also along the lines as recorded in Isaiah 14: gain a semblance of the Divine attribute apart from God.

freecocoa:
It's no point even asking as they can't give an answer because all that never happened in the first place.

He made all things perfect, lucifer aka Satan, was even the most perfect, yet somehow in a perfect heaven, sin(that was nowhere before) found the most perfect thing an all knowing God created and corrupted it, where the feck did the sin come from if not from God who made all things? Nonsense.

sin came from satan will. Notice the "I WILL" in this verse:

Isaiah 14:12–15
12 “How dyou are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
13 You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the
clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
15 But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the far reaches of the pit.

malvisguy212:
sin came from satan will. Notice the "I WILL" in this verse:

Isaiah 14:12–15
12 “How dyou are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
13 You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the
clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’
15 But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the far reaches of the pit.

where did sin come from? Satan was the finest thing God made and he made all things perfect, who them created sin?