May ALLAH show u the way.You can force the horse to the stream but cannot force it to drink.Havila,babyosisi tell me what you found on that site that does not go along with verses in the Bible.Cool down,read and open ur eyes well.I knw u'll have nothing to say but lies.They are so many there for u to read.Pls turn away from ur disbelive,i'll keep praying for you Christians in general.Peace

what d hell is this? Don't bring some religion shiit up in here k u better get that straight

guess this guy na him dey among d people wey start d trouble for dutse run come lagos.well seun i think u should consider banning dis guy why dont u jst give it some serious thot.i don't jst want some drama in here

abi o caomin up in here talkin bout some christian and shiit he is so immature and stupid

walahi te lahi dis guy should go down for this move.kai see error

Oyebanji07:

Havila,babyosisi tell me what you found on that site that does not go along with verses in the Bible.

I don't even know what site the poster was referring to. However, we should simply have asked him to produce his argument with the verses that persuade him that Muhammad is found in the Bible. This is the same Bible that Muslims ridicle and denounce as 'corrupt' and not the Word of God - and then they still come back sweating to read Muhammad on its pages.

We know Muhammad was not prophesied in the Bible. It is the usual Islamic thing for Muslims to play this game.

Who says prohet mohammed is not in the bible, every one is in the bible

prizeless:

Who says prohet mohammed is not in the bible, every one is in the bible

Okay. Please show us where we can find him in the Bible.

you guys doesnt knw anything and instead arguing blindly why cant you take a break and go for lessons.You think whatever you read and interpret is exactly the knowledge being passed,it requires you to go and learn how it's been interpreted because if you based your knowledge on what you interpret am afraid you'll leading urself astray.

Everything book brought by each of the prophet must say one or 2 things about the coming or past prophets.Saying mohammed's name is in the bible does not mean anything because Jesus's name is in the Q'uran and those past books.

God wld always point to them as a reference for the prophet or even use it to make warnings. Prophet wld be warn about the do's and dont and wld reference any past prophet that has done that same thing and what messy showered upon them.

So guys it's not strange finding Mohammed's name in the bible.

Again it's not that muslim are faulting the existence of bible or whom it's sent thru.Our point is that bible that was used by Jesus is no more in existence today or Which one of those 100s versions does he used. Tell us.All the one available 2day is not the bible itself,it's a manipulate facts.

doyenn:

Everything book brought by each of the prophet must say one or 2 things about the coming or past prophets.Saying mohammed's name is in the bible does not mean anything because Jesus's name is in the Q'uran and those past books.

The real Jesus's name is NOT in any of your books or quran. They were mischievously inserted there by those seeking to piggy back on Him to lend some credibility to their fraud.

Anyone can right a book and put Jesus there, it does not make it credible.

doyenn:

So guys it's not strange finding Muhammad's name in the bible.

his name is NOT there period!

doyenn:

Again it's not that muslim are faulting the existence of bible or whom it's sent through.Our point is that bible that was used by Jesus is no more in existence today or Which one of those 100s versions does he used. Tell us.All the one available 2day is not the bible itself,it's a manipulate facts.

All we simply ask is that you people produce that lost version of the bible allah claimed to have sent down.

@PH

The real Jesus's name is NOT in any of your books or quran. They were mischievously inserted there by those seeking to piggy back on Him to lend some credibility to their fraud.

Anyone can right a book and put Jesus there, it does not make it credible.

Is Jesus' real name in the bible?
Is jesus his real name?

his name is NOT there period!

What is his real name?

All we simply ask is that you people produce that lost version of the bible allah claimed to have sent down.

You are still on this infantile argument of yours? How many times have I provided you evidence and even provided link to the papyril?



Maybe we should unveil the issue again.


Cheers

babs787:

@PH

Is Jesus' real name in the bible?
Is jesus his real name?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

babs787:

What is his real name?

how do you expect me to know about mohammed's names? Where in your quran is mohammed expressely prophesied and mentioned by name?

babs787:

You are still on this infantile argument of yours? How many times have I provided you evidence and even provided link to the papyril?
maybe we should unveil the issue again.

What evidence have you provided? Where are the links to your papyri? Please kindly provide them asap. Its all part of the muslim game of hide and seek. One day they claim the bible is lost, tomorrow they tell u they have already provided evidence. Maybe you did in your sleep.

@pth

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Brother, dont disgrace me please.

Was he known as Jesus during his time?

Is there any relationship between Jesus and Immanuel?

how do you expect me to know about mohammed's names? Where in your quran is mohammed expressely prophesied and mentioned by name?

Am asking about Jesus' real name. Was he ever called or known as Jesus during his time?

Is the meaning of Jesus same as Immanuel?

What is his name in the greek bible and what is his language?

What evidence have you provided? Where are the links to your papyri? Please kindly provide them asap. Its all part of the muslim game of hide and seek. One day they claim the bible is lost, tomorrow they tell u they have already provided evidence. Maybe you did in your sleep.

So you have been sleeping all these while. I know that you will pretend that I didnt supply links to that. So here are the links again:


http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/ExhibitE.htm


http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/exhibitDarius.htm


Scriptureshttp://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/contents.htm


Also read about the New Testament canons through the ages
http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/canons.htm

Go through this link for the new testament canons through the ages
http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/EXHIBITAv2.htm



When you are through with those above, get in touch, there are still more to supply.


Thanks

babs787:

@pth

Brother, don't disgrace me please.

Was he known as Jesus during his time?

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

babs787:

Is there any relationship between Jesus and Immanuel?

is there any relationship btw ur first and middle name?

babs787:

Am asking about Jesus' real name. Was he ever called or known as Jesus during his time?

this is so daft and desperate it does not even qualify as a question.

babs787:

Is the meaning of Jesus same as Immanuel?

is the meaning of ur first name the same as that of ur middle name?

babs787:

What is his name in the greek bible and what is his language?

What have we to do with the greek bible? Of what relevance are these desperate "clutching at straws" lame attempts at asking questions with the sole purpose of looking for a loophole?

babs787:

So you have been sleeping all these while. I know that you will pretend that I didnt supply links to that. So here are the links again:


http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/ExhibitE.htm


http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/exhibitDarius.htm


Scriptureshttp://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/contents.htm


Also read about the New Testament canons through the ages
http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/canons.htm

Go through this link for the new testament canons through the ages
http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/EXHIBITAv2.htm



When you are through with those above, get in touch, there are still more to supply.


Thanks

links from islamic websites are not credible. What else do we expect them to say? that the bible we have today is the genuine one?
Please provide a credible and INDEPENDENT source!

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

You will never stop amusing me. Was he called Jesus during his time. Is there anything like Jesus in aramaic or greek language?

is there any relationship between your first and middle name?

Brother, am asking you again, Does Jesus has same meaning as Immanuel?

this is so daft and desperate it does not even qualify as a question.

Really? Please what name was he called during his time as it is in the greek bible?



Quote from: babs787 on Today at 04:28:08 PM
Is the meaning of Jesus same as Immanuel?

is the meaning of your first name the same as that of your middle name?

Brother, are you saying the name Jesus is different from Immanuel, please I need a definite answer.

What have we to do with the greek bible? Of what relevance are these desperate "clutching at straws" lame attempts at asking questions with the sole purpose of looking for a loophole?

I am well aware of your trademark and it wont work with me. Was he known as Jesus during his time and does the greek bible contain the word 'Jesus'?

links from islamic websites are not credible. What else do we expect them to say? that the bible we have today is the genuine one?
Please provide a credible and INDEPENDENT source!

RFLMAO .
Is that all you have to say to those links? You requested for them and I gave same to you. I know that you will never be able to defend that.

Is there any other apologists that can bail you out?

babs787:

You will never stop amusing me. Was he called Jesus during his time. Is there anything like Jesus in aramaic or greek language?

and yet muslims gleefully boast about Jesus being a prophet of allah, the same muslims give themselves the name Isa (the arabic form of Jesus), and yet these same hypocrites claim to be expecting the coming of this same Jesus.
Pray! Which Jesus are you muslims talking about?

babs787:

Brother, am asking you again, Does Jesus has same meaning as Immanuel?

simple answer no! Jesus - God with us, Immanuel - God in us.

babs787:

Really? Please what name was he called during his time as it is in the greek bible?

what name did mohammed call Him? If His name wasnt Jesus during His time then how did the name Jesus find its way into islam and the quran?

babs787:

RFLMAO .
Is that all you have to say to those links? You requested for them and I gave same to you. I know that you will never be able to defend that.

Is there any other apologists that can bail you out?

lol what a piece of hogwash. You cant even prove your statements without clinging to questionable "links".
Says a lot about your claims really.

and yet muslims gleefully boast about Jesus being a prophet of allah, the same muslims give themselves the name Isa (the arabic form of Jesus), and yet these same hypocrites claim to be expecting the coming of this same Jesus.
Pray! Which Jesus are you muslims talking about?

Point of correction, muslims are expecting jesus as you are. you are expecting him to come like a thief in the night, raptures but we are expecting to be the sign of the hour, he will come and live like normal being and die a normal death and will let you know that he want crucified nor a God etc.

We are not expecting jesus having the pictures you have been potraying but obedint servant of Allah.

We are not expecting Jesus that died for your sin, killed, hanged or crucified but a servant that was miraculously saved by his creator.

We are not expecting a three in one God, God in human form, God that prayed to himself, God that was afraid of death etc but a servant of God that served one God and not three and believed that there is someone above him that he must worship.

etc,

Is there any problem in bearing names of prophets?




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imple answer no! Jesus - God with us, Immanuel - God in us.

Please I want you to clarify the above for me. Are you saying Jesus' meaning is different from Immanuel?

Let me give you a clue, a chapter called him Immanuel instead of Jesus and your response is saying that Jesus can never be both. Dont contradict yourself like I do say.

what name did mohammed call Him? If His name wasnt Jesus during His time then how did the name Jesus find its way into islam and the quran?

Clever response . Do we have the word 'Jesus' in the Greek bible because there was no letter "J" until the 15th century?

lol what a piece of hogwash. You can't even prove your statements without clinging to questionable "links".
Says a lot about your claims really.

I thought you requested for it but here you are singing another song.Poor you

I notice you have since mischievously kept quiet about the "was he called Jesus during His time" question eh.

babs787:

Point of correction, muslims are expecting jesus as you are. you are expecting him to come like a thief in the night, raptures but we are expecting to be the sign of the hour, he will come and live like normal being and die a normal death and will let you know that he want crucified nor a God etc.

No one is begrudging you the use of Jesus coming as another of ur islamic false flights of fancy. My question is simple, when did you all start claiming to suddenly be expecting the coming of Jesus "as the sign of the hour"? sign of which hour? When did that enter islamic lexicon?
Where in the QURAN and HADITH did allah specifically claim he was sending Jesus to you?

babs787:

We are not expecting jesus having the pictures you have been potraying but obedint servant of Allah.

Continue decieving urself. Show us where this is claimed in your fraudulent quran.

babs787:

We are not expecting Jesus that died for your sin, killed, hanged or crucified but a servant that was miraculously saved by his creator.

yeah keep up the islamic charade.

babs787:

We are not expecting a three in one God, God in human form, God that prayed to himself, God that was afraid of death etc but a servant of God that served one God and not three and believed that there is someone above him that he must worship.

show us from the quran, surely if allah was sending Jesus he should have taken care to have it documented in his quran eh?

babs787:

Is there any problem in bearing names of prophets?

none whatsoever. Here is the conundrum, if as you claim the name Jesus was not what Jesus Christ was bearing in His time, whence did muslims get the name Isa that they now bear and claim desperately to be a prophet of allah?

babs787:

Please I want you to clarify the above for me. Are you saying Jesus' meaning is different from Immanuel?

you are not 5yrs old. the name Jesus is different from the name Immanuel, both have distinct meanings. Are you saying your first name and middle name have the same meaning? Siince when did it become an islamic crime to bear more than 1 name or where camest your confusion of heart?

babs787:

Let me give you a clue, a chapter called him Immanuel instead of Jesus and your response is saying that Jesus can never be both. Dont contradict yourself like I do say.

Jesus Christ was also Immanuel just the same way Obasanjo also bears , Olusegun, Aremu and Okikiola. If his son chooses to refer to him as Aremu does he cease to become Olusegun?

babs787:

Clever response . Do we have the word 'Jesus' in the Greek bible because there was no letter "J" until the 15th century?

hence my answer, where did Mohammed then get his own version of Jesus from?

There were no letter J's in the 15th century does not mean it did not exist. Yashua in hebrew is the same as Jesus. the hebrews sometimes used the letter "y" to represent the letter "j".
Yahweh is another example.

@PTH
Honestly, you don't need to quote the bible to this fellow to prove your point because, this guy is just a typical natural man who will never receive the things of the Spirit of God, This man is clearly fulfilling his life ambition now- to bastadise christianity and the bible. Explaining things to him from the bible will be a total waste of time.

This is simply funny. If Muhammad is in the Bible, Muslims are required to simply show it. But no - as usual, they'll scoot away from that simple question and then begin to deflect into what name Jesus had in the Bible. I no fit laugh. Whether 'Y' or 'J' or even 'M', please show where Muhammad appears in the Bible and let us see. All this fraud that Muslims always whip up should have been set aside for common sense.

They try to tell me my religion is wrong

They try to tell me to follow Islam

They said their prophet was a righteous dude

But I found out none of their words were true

I read the Quran and I read the hadith

And the sickness of Muhammad was apparent to me

He justified perversion in the name of Allah

When he married a girl too young for a bra

She was playing with dolls when the prophet came

Her childhood was stolen in Allah’s name

Aisha was nine when he took her to bed

Don’t tell me that fool’s not sick in the head

Ain’t gonna follow no child molester, sex offender, prophet pretender.

Ain't gonna follow no child molester,

Islam is not for me.

Islam is not for me.

The sickness of the Islamic mind

Has caused the Mullahs to be blind

To justify their prophet they would justify sin

So the sins of the prophet are repeated again

All over the world in Islamic states

9 year old girls suffer cruel fate

Sold into marriage to twisted men

And Aisha’s sad story is repeated again

Ain’t gonna follow no child molester, sex offender, prophet pretender.

Ain't gonna follow no child molester,

Islam is not for me.

Islam is not for me.

Do you care about women all over the world?

Do you care about those little girls?

Then stand up and fight for human rights

Speak out against the laws of Islam

Ain’t gonna follow no child molester, sex offender, prophet pretender.

Ain't gonna follow no child molester,

Islam is not for me.

Islam is not for me.

Islam is not for me.

Lol, wakiri. So you too have heard that song? How fast news travels. I wonder if it is true that they're looking for the heads of those who sang that song. Does anyone know if that is true?

Nigerian with blind arguments.Is christianity and islam our religeon in africa?why are we portraying european culture?United state of Ameriac embraces over 1000 religeon,and they live happily,we have only christianity and islam and we are fighting ourself.MYOPIC THINKING!

Exactly. The people who brought christianity and islam also enslaved our people, stole and still steal our resources. Why follow their religions? Their holy books have been re-written several times to support their races, and opress ours.


God can't be tied to a book, neither can he be tied to a religion.

Banderas:

Exactly. The people who brought christianity and islam also enslaved our people, stole and still steal our resources. Why follow their religions? Their holy books have been re-written several times to support their races, and opress ours.


God can't be tied to a book, neither can he be tied to a religion.

so where is he?

PTH, I don't know. I believe he transcends all these religions. The different religions are only able to see a small aspect of him, and are unable to see the entirety of him.

Banderas:

PTH, I don't know. I believe he transcends all these religions. The different religions are only able to see a small aspect of him, and are unable to see the entirety of him.

u dont know this god and yet you claim he transcends all religions, how do u know?

PTH, Read my post one more time. Then think about what I said. If you can't understand my post then I'm not going to discuss this matter with you.

that's a silly response Banderas. You are basically quiting because ur responses are merely tying u up in a knot. It is impossible to claim that someone YOU DO NOT KNOW transcends all religions.

If your basic premise is that there is no empirical evidence that the God of the various religions exist on what basis is your claim that indeed a God outside of the religions exists at all?

Banderas:

Exactly. The people who brought christianity and islam also enslaved our people, stole and still steal our resources. Why follow their religions? Their holy books have been re-written several times to support their races, and opress ours.


God can't be tied to a book, neither can he be tied to a religion.

Banderas:

PTH, I don't know. I believe he transcends all these religions. The different religions are only able to see a small aspect of him, and are unable to see the entirety of him.

You read ur own posts again and answer the following questions:
- if we agree with you that indeed your unknown god transcends all religions then who is this god? where is he? how can we get to him? where does he live? is he aware we exist? what are his plans for us? in what way does he influence our lives? what does he say about life after death?

PTH, your post continues to concentrate on your inability to understand my simple post. You asked "where is this God". I said I don't know where he is. Since when does I don't know (where he is) translate to I don't know him?

We have a language barrier here dear PTH, and until that barrier is sorted we can't argue. All you have done so far is go on a tangent based on your (wrong) interpretation of what I said, a tangent which has nothing to do with me. Until you can understand my argument/post, we simply can't have a discussion.


Choose your words carefully, "silly" is not polite, it is an aggressive and aggravating word.

I withdraw the "silly" comment, accept my appologies.

Okay now that you clarify your point, i guess my first question would be who is this god you mention?