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Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 8:22pm On Aug 07, 2015
mikolo80:
nope Just a fellow Nigerian who has spent last 15 yrs thinking of how to develop our country without waiting for govt.

requirements for second tier market

cac registration
name and addresses of directors (basically your family members and rep of investors)
tax returns for 3 yrs (no be naija)
audited account for 3 yrs (you suppose get Padi wen study accounting)
company valuation(amount you want to raise) less than 300 m

for 3rd tier market however
it's 2 yrs account and tax info
and 200 m limit

I don't think we have serious investment bankers in Nigeria


Unfortunately there are no 2nd tier or 3rd tier markets again. What we had now is a market where unlisted securities can be traded over the counter.

http://nasdng.com/
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 8:25pm On Aug 07, 2015
mikolo80:
who has investments, bank or institutional investors


A professional shareholder MUST have investments in various sectors and asset classes.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 8:27pm On Aug 07, 2015
manie:



A professional shareholder MUST have investments in various sectors and asset classes.
Bros na naija we de. everything is upside down here
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 8:30pm On Aug 07, 2015
manie:



Unfortunately there are no 2nd tier or 3rd tier markets again. What we had now is a market where unlisted securities can be traded over the counter.

http://nasdng.com/
shiee, and na where I de Hope be dat. no wahala cooperative and partnersip de dia. even the main market na 5,5 yrs for tax and account so all na patience. all our farmers need is education from finance experts but I think I'm the only one interested in agric
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 8:34am On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
how many years? I dare you to answer that question. (you won't cos you're lazy mentally)


I have been investing on my own in the capital market since 1990, I became an informed investor in 1993.



https://www.nairaland.com/1233138/stock-performance-2000-2003-date

If you do cannot invest for a minimum of 10 years, then don't bother investing in the capital market.

1. Invest in fundamentally strong companies.

2.Invest in companies with good and proactive managers.

3.Invest in companies in the growth sectors of the economy.

4. Invest in companies with good brands, products and those who render excellent services.

5.Invest in market leaders.

6.Invest in companies with manageable debt profile.

7. Invest in companies which pay regular dividends.

8. Try and understand the intrinsic value of every company you invest in, and avoid buying overvalued stocks.

9.Invest in companies that have been growing their earnings in the last 3 years.

10. Finally get as much information as possible on the companies you have invested in, do not invest and go to sleep. If you have the time and means endeavour to attend the AGM of your companies.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 8:51am On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
o my lord. you don't even know q how sick exchange works yet you're arguing like say aruma oteh na your sugar mummy

it is the potential shareholders that will 'approve'so long as it's less than 300m. you better start using your net access to read more than u talk

Shareholders can approve it, who will approve the listing of an IPO or PO of N5million. The N5million is not up to the fees of the issuing house that will package the offer, or other fees that will be paid to SEC and NSE.

And for your information Aruma Oteh is no longer the DG of Securities and Exchange Commission.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 8:57am On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
stop lying. 500 K to 5m is small business classification so micro would be 50 K and below


Anything less than N5million are micro/cottage businesses, small and medium businesses are from N5 million to N500 million which was the classification made many years ago I guess during the time of Soludo
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 9:05am On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
nope Just a fellow Nigerian who has spent last 15 yrs thinking of how to develop our country without waiting for govt.

requirements for second tier market

cac registration
name and addresses of directors (basically your family members and rep of investors)
tax returns for 3 yrs (no be naija)
audited account for 3 yrs (you suppose get Padi wen study accounting)
company valuation(amount you want to raise) less than 300 m

for 3rd tier market however
it's 2 yrs account and tax info
and 200 m limit

I don't think we have serious investment bankers in Nigeria


If 2nd tier markets have a limit of N300million and 3rd tier markets have a limit of N200, you can see that there is no provision for micro and cottage businesses on the exchange.

As a matter of fact most of the companies in the 2nd and 3rd tiers have delisted, they could not meet up with the annaul requirements of the Nigeria Stock Exchange, and just 2 of them Cutix and one other company that I cannot remember the name now that later moved to the main tier of NSE.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 9:07am On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
how many years? I dare you to answer that question. (you won't cos you're lazy mentally)


You can always get your point and message across without insults, that is an important attribute of a truly educated and an intelligent person.

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Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 4:00pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:



You can always get your point and message across without insults, that is an important attribute of a truly educated and an intelligent person.
I did not call you stupid or a fool. those are insults. lazy just means you're not willing to do something. it's not an insult if it's true.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 4:04pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:



If 2nd tier markets have a limit of N300million and 3rd tier markets have a limit of N200, you can see that there is no provision for micro and cottage businesses on the exchange.

As a matter of fact most of the companies in the 2nd and 3rd tiers have delisted, they could not meet up with the annaul requirements of the Nigeria Stock Exchange, and just 2 of them Cutix and one other company that I cannot remember the name now that later moved to the main tier of NSE.
chairman, it says limit not ceiling. get it now. means you can not raise beyond 200.you can raise 2 m or even 500 K just not 200 m and 1 naira.(if I tell you you can't speak English now you'll get annoyed and say I insulted you while the lawyers use this same English is what the capitalists use to deceive illiterates (has nothing to do with schooling)
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 4:09pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:



Anything less than N5million are micro/cottage businesses, small and medium businesses are from N5 million to N500 million which was the classification made many years ago I guess during the time of Soludo
my bad

5 ~small
50 ~medium
500~large

so in my view
.5~mini
.05 ~micro
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 4:33pm On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
my bad

5 ~small
50 ~medium
500~large

so in my view
.5~mini
.05 ~micro



The broad classification by CBN and NASME for Small and Medium Enterprise is N5million to N500million, a N500 million cannot be seen as large. What category will you put a company like Zenith that made an audited profit of N33 billion in 6 months.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 4:37pm On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
chairman, it says limit not ceiling. get it now. means you can not raise beyond 200.you can raise 2 m or even 500 K just not 200 m and 1 naira.(if I tell you you can't speak English now you'll get annoyed and say I insulted you while the lawyers use this same English is what the capitalists use to deceive illiterates (has nothing to do with schooling)


Where will you raise N2million in the capital market, what you read in textbook is quite different from what is obtainable in the market place. If a business wants to raise N2million in the capital market, how much will the company pay to SEC, NSE, Issuing house, Stockbrokers to the offer, Lawyers to the offer, Reporting accountant.
Stock Exchange is not for such small funds my bro.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 4:41pm On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
my bad

5 ~small
50 ~medium
500~large

so in my view
.5~mini
.05 ~micro


500k to less than N5 million may be classified as mini/cottage businesses, while any business with less than 500k in asset may be classified as micro. I guess that was the reason for the establishment of micro-finance banks.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 5:01pm On Aug 08, 2015
mikolo80:
shiee, and na where I de Hope be dat. no wahala cooperative and partnersip de dia. even the main market na 5,5 yrs for tax and account so all na patience. all our farmers need is education from finance experts but I think I'm the only one interested in agric

There lot of companies with interest in Agriculture, unfortunately most of the companies making billions of Naira as profits from Agriculture in Nigeria are owned by foreigners.
I think our farmers need to be educated and equipped on how to grow their agric-businesses from the subsistence level to real commercial level where mega bucks can be made.
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 5:02pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:



Where will you raise N2million in the capital market, what you read in textbook is quite different from what is obtainable in the market place. If a business wants to raise N2million in the capital market, how much will the company pay to SEC, NSE, Issuing house, Stockbrokers to the offer, Lawyers to the offer, Reporting accountant.
Stock Exchange is not for such small funds my bro.
I know I know, minimum threshold and critical mass tinz. but the fundamental principle is the same. crowdfunding rocks. all I'm saying is there exist options. not. just begging banks for loan. you can sell equity but ignorance is our problem not banks
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 5:05pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:




The broad classification by CBN and NASME for Small and Medium Enterprise is N5million to N500million, a N500 million cannot be seen as large. What category will you put a company like Zenith that made an audited profit of N33 billion in 6 months.
as you've mentioned all these valuations are textbook. one man's meat is another poison. it's all relative. them zenith cannot be compared to Samsung worth over 200 bn dollars us. that's 40 trn naira
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by manie(m): 5:18pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:


There lot of companies with interest in Agriculture, unfortunately most of the companies making billions of Naira as profits from Agriculture in Nigeria are owned by foreigners.
I think our farmers need to be educated and equipped on how to grow their agric-businesses from the subsistence level to real commercial level where mega bucks can be made.


This is a post by me on 30th March 2012. can be found on stockmarketnigeria


http://www.stockmarketnigeria.com/forums/off-topic/2972-feeding-great-nation-20.html


We have just two companies that are doing fine in the Agricultural sector of the Nigerian stock exchange.
And if we look at this two companies, they have substantial foreign investors.
take a look at Okomu oil, out of the 9 directors, 3 are Nigerian, 1 South African, 1 German and 5 Belgian.

About 52% of Okomu Oil Shares i.e. 249,580,000 units is owned by Intercultures S.A a foreign company, another 7% i.e. 33,117,000 units by Deg-Deutsh Investin UND. About 60% of the company is owned by foreigners.

Same can be found with Presco, they have Nigerian, South African, Belgian, French and Indian directors. The major shareholder with 60% or 600,000,000 units of shares in Presco is sa Siat nv.

The Managing Director of Okomu Oil is a South African, while that of Presco is an Indian. Does this mean that, if there are no substantial holdings by foreigners in the companies in the Agricultural sector, the companies will not be successful. What skills do they have that is lacking in us. I strongly believe that Agriculture is one of the areas that government should look into in the area of food production and food security.
How can we encourage our peasant farmers to embrace commercial agriculture, and how can those practicing commercial agriculture make it a profitable venture
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 5:20pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:


There lot of companies with interest in Agriculture, unfortunately most of the companies making billions of Naira as profits from Agriculture in Nigeria are owned by foreigners.
I think our farmers need to be educated and equipped on how to grow their agric-businesses from the subsistence level to real commercial level where mega bucks can be made.
elementary my fear manIe
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 5:20pm On Aug 08, 2015
manie:


There lot of companies with interest in Agriculture, unfortunately most of the companies making billions of Naira as profits from Agriculture in Nigeria are owned by foreigners.
I think our farmers need to be educated and equipped on how to grow their agric-businesses from the subsistence level to real commercial level where mega bucks can be made.
elementary my dear manie
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by ThundrCork(m): 1:35pm On Aug 29, 2015
mikolo80:
nope Just a fellow Nigerian who has spent last 15 yrs thinking of how to develop our country without waiting for govt.

requirements for second tier market

cac registration
name and addresses of directors (basically your family members and rep of investors)
tax returns for 3 yrs (no be naija)
audited account for 3 yrs (you suppose get Padi wen study accounting) thanks. Useful info
company valuation(amount you want to raise) less than 300 m

for 3rd tier market however
it's 2 yrs account and tax info
and 200 m limit

I don't think we have serious investment bankers in Nigeria
Re: First Bank’s Rising Loan Losses Is About To Spell Doom For Its Balance Sheet by mikolo80: 6:20pm On Aug 29, 2015
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