today most of the christians all over the world are celebrating the ressurection of jesus all over the world. what really happened when jesus died and resurrected ? all we know about jesus we know from the writers of the gospels because no body else wrote any of thing about all of the "wonderful" things the writers of the gospels wrote about jesus the story of jesus is only found in the bible and books that were banned from the bible no outside source has written any thing about jesus aprat from those sources. the problems is that ALL the writers of the gospel do not agree on their stories about jesus in fact most of their accounts cancel each other out, if the writers of the bible can not get the basic stories of the christian faith right like what happened when jesus died, what happened when he was resurrected, what happened after he was resurrected, and where he ascended into "heaven", why should any body believe their stories? we are told that the people that wrote the gospels were eye witness to the event but why is their account of event so contradictory to the extent that they cancel each other out? lets look into the bible to see all the contradictory accounts that they have written, no eye witness to any event will right such contradictory accounts. here are just a few of the many stories that cancel each other out. . . .

what time was jesus really crucified? Mark said that jesus was crucified by the 3rd hour (9am in the morning) while john said that jesus was crucified after 12 pm. Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples?hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?". when was jesus really crucified? 9am or after 12pm?

what was jesus last word on the cross? because the writers of the bible do not agree as to what was the last thing jesus said on the cross. . . .

Matthew 27:46 and 50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

how many women came to the sepulcher?

John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene.

Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.

how many angels were there when the women went to the sepulcher? There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up according t Luke 24:4 but according to mark there was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5.

where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? Luke 24:32-37 says that jesus first appeared to the 11 in a room in jerusalem while Matthew 28:15-17 says that jesus first appeared to the 11 of his disciples on a mountain in galilee (galilee and jerusalem are at least 100km apart). so where did jesus really appear to 11 of his disciples after he was resurrected?

where did jesus really ascend from? Acts 1:9-12 says that jesus ascended from mount olivet. but Luke 24:50-51 says that jesus ascended from bethany. again where did jesus ascended from?

why is it that even the writers of the gospel fail to get the basic stories of the death and resurrection of jesus right? their accounts completely cancel each other out.

Here are the VERY DIFFERENT accounts of event that happened when the women went to the tomb of jesus. . . .these accounts completely cancel each other out. . . .

According to Mark 16:1-8, Mary and Mary find that the tomb has been opened

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?" But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. "Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.' " Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
– Mark 16:1-8

According to Matthew, an angel in shining garments is seen by Mary and Mary opening the tomb, and the angel tells them not to be afraid since Jesus is risen from the dead.

After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you. So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."

– Matthew 28:1-10

According to Luke, the women discover the tomb has been opened, and two men in shining garments come up to them and tell them not to be afraid since Jesus is risen.

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " Then they remembered his words.

– Luke 24:1-8

Here is john's very very different account of events. . . .

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) Then the disciples went back to their homes, but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

– John 20:1

Why the very very different and contradictory accounts that completely cancel each other out?. . . . . . .

N ur point is?

drered:

N ur point is?

my point has been stated in the first post, which is why is it that the gospel writers who were "eye witness" fail to agree on what really happened to jesus when he was crucified and when he was allegedly resurrected from the dead? all their accounts completely cancel each other out. . . .

mazaje:

my point has been stated in the first post, which is why is it that the gospel writers fail to agree on what really happened to jesus when he was crucified and when he was allegedly resurrected from the dead? all their accounts completely cancel each other out. . . .

All their accounts completely cancel each other out for the simple reason that instead of a Crucifixion,it was a Cruci-FICTION.

Think about it; where is the tomb of this Jesus?
No DNA evidence.
No Bones
So Jesus went to heaven with his bones?

Horus:

All their accounts completely cancel each other out for the simple reason that instead of a Crucifixion,it was a Cruci-FICTION.

Think about it; where is the tomb of this Jesus?
No DNA evidence.
No Bones
So Jesus went to heaven with his bones?

yeah elijah did the same, he ascended into heaven with his bones according to the bible only for jesus to come and say that the story is a lie because according to jesus no man has ever ascended into heaven. . . . .

Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

Do they need to roll away the stone for a dead body to resurrect? A dead body does not need anybody to move any stone for it to pass through because its already a spirit and can pass through a closed door without any man's assistance but in this very case,the angel or jesus' secret friends had to help him move the stone to be able to pass so that the alleged prophecy would b fulfilled but it was never as it turned out to be cruci-FICTION

this is where you always meet blabs . . . why dont you answer our own questions on Mohammad dude?

babs787:

Do they need to roll away the stone for a dead body to resurrect? A dead body does not need anybody to move any stone for it to pass through because its already a spirit and can pass through a closed door without any man's assistance but in this very case,the angel or jesus' secret friends had to help him move the stone to be able to pass so that the alleged prophecy would b fulfilled but it was never as it turned out to be cruci-FICTION

i have never thought about it that way before, i doubt if the bible writers ever thought about it that way. . . . cruci-fiction indeed. . .hey but is mohammed not a fiction himself?

babs787:

Do they need to roll away the stone for a dead body to resurrect? A dead body does not need anybody to move any stone for it to pass through because its already a spirit and can pass through a closed door without any man's assistance but in this very case,the angel or jesus' secret friends had to help him move the stone to be able to pass so that the alleged prophecy would b fulfilled but it was never as it turned out to be cruci-FICTION

He resurrected not as a spirit but as a full human . . . which is why the stone needed to be moved. Obviously simple details escape the intelligence of the dumb.

By the way where is allah's injeel? Found it yet?

davidylan:

He resurrected not as a spirit but as a full human . . . which is why the stone needed to be moved. Obviously simple details escape the intelligence of the dumb.

By the way where is allah's injeel? Found it yet?

i wonder why an a god that can do all things need angels to move a stone for him to move out

by the way david where did jesus first appear to the 11 of his disciples? is it in a room in jerusalem or on a mountain in galilee?

in mazaje's compound

davidylan:

in mazaje's compound

deluded goons. . . . . .

Nice input Mazaje people celebrated easter without knowing that even the writers of the bible do not agree as to what really happened to Jesus. The gospel writers do not seem to know what really happened to the Jesus they were writing about. They do not agree on how Jesus was arrested, what happened on the cross, how he died, and what happened after his resurrection. All their accounts as you have said it when put together completely cancel each other out. A careful study of the four gospels in comparison with each other will show that there is little agreement among the gospel writers as to the order in which Jesus said and did what is reported of him. The most striking discrepancy concerns the accounts in the synoptics of Jesus's resurrection appearances to his disciples. The writers of the gospel completely got this story wrong, they do not seem to know what really happened. Matthew has Jesus appearing to the 11 in Galilee, Luke has him appearing to the 11 in Jerusalem while all the forty-day appearances of Acts are sited in Jerusalem . Not only did Jesus himself write nothing, but the attribution of the gospels to his disciples did not occur until the late first century at the earliest.In fact the whole story is a hoax.

what was jesus last word on the cross? because the writers of the bible do not agree as to what was the last thing jesus said on the cross. . . .

It is always convenient when you disregard the other verses isn't it. And who told you that the writers were trying o capture his last words. They didn't have a set of things they collaborated and said we will give an account of this particular thing.

Now let's look at each one of them.

This is what Matthew says
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47 And some that stood there and heard, said: This man calleth Elias. 48 And immediately one of them running took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar; and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 And the others said: Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to deliver him. 50 And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost

Here is Mark
34 And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 35 And some of the standers by hearing, said: Behold he calleth Elias.

36 And one running and filling a sponge with vinegar, and putting it upon a reed, gave him to drink, saying: Stay, let us see if Elias come to take him down. 37 And Jesus having cried out with a loud voice, gave up the ghost

Here is Luke
46 And Jesus crying out with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. And saying this, he gave up the ghost

Here is John
28 Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst. 29 Now there was a vessel set there full of vinegar. And they, putting a sponge full of vinegar and hyssop, put it to his mouth. 30 Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.

Now in all these passages there is the same event and the same things. If something is missing from one doesn't mean that it didn't happen or that they didn't have the story together. They weren't all written at the same time and not all by the same people, and each sought to portray what is relevant to their audience.

It doesn't have to be in the exact same words but by reading all four we see similarities in them and we can fully pciture the scene.
Matthew talks about Jesus saying Eli Eli, and so does Mark, it's funny how you chose to leave Mark from your list, I guess that one refutes your view on it and you don't like it. And then it goes on to talk about Jesus crying with a loud voice, and I guess this is where the confusion comes for you. Matthew speaks about Jesus crying with a loud voice, Mark talks about it also, Luke talks about it too, only Luke actually tells us what he says. John goes further to tell us that Jesus also said It is finished after taking the vinegar and then giving up the ghost. All gospels talk about the same thing, and in the same order, and each fill in in the blank for each other. Now where might the confusion come in again? In John, where it is the only one that records Jesus saying It is finished. But ofcourse we know why he would be the only one to know this because he was the only one of the disciples at the foot of the cross, and it is highly possible that Jesus did not cry out "It is finished" and only gave a whisper of it, watch the movie the passion of the christ and you will see that it would have been impossible for those who were not around to hear it. Because John was at the foot of the cross he heard it all. Why then did the other writers talk about him crying out loud, because he cried out loud, meaning others could hear him. The gospel writers got their crucifixion stories from John, Mary the Mother of God, Mary Magdala, and the Other Mary and others around, especially Luke since he told us that it was by his investigations that he put the story together. So it really makes sense that the first 3 writers wrote only that which was very audible by those at Golgotha, and John wrote more indepth because he was there, and saw no need to repeat that which the other writers already wrote, and only added in that which was a whisper "It is finished". Remember John was the last gospel to be written, and he only saw it fit to elaborate on that which the other writers did not go indepth with.

Now to correct you on something. The story of Jesus as it is in the positive light is only found in the Bible however, Jesus was mentioned in several non christian historic writings in the negative. His crucifixion was infact pointed out. So maybe you should do more research.

~Lady~:

It is always convenient when you disregard the other verses isn't it. And who told you that the writers were trying o capture his last words. They didn't have a set of things they collaborated and said we will give an account of this particular thing.

Now let's look at each one of them.

This is what Matthew says
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47 And some that stood there and heard, said: This man calleth Elias. 48 And immediately one of them running took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar; and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 And the others said: Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to deliver him. 50 And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost

Here is Mark
34 And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 35 And some of the standers by hearing, said: Behold he calleth Elias.

36 And one running and filling a sponge with vinegar, and putting it upon a reed, gave him to drink, saying: Stay, let us see if Elias come to take him down. 37 And Jesus having cried out with a loud voice, gave up the ghost

Scholars have said that Matthew copied most of his work from Mark but made corrections in places where Mark made mistakes, like geography of Galilee and other minor Jewish customs.

Here is Luke
46 And Jesus crying out with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. And saying this, he gave up the ghost

Here is John
28 Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst. 29 Now there was a vessel set there full of vinegar. And they, putting a sponge full of vinegar and hyssop, put it to his mouth. 30 Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.

These two statements are not the same are they?

Now in all these passages there is the same event and the same things. If something is missing from one doesn't mean that it didn't happen or that they didn't have the story together. They weren't all written at the same time and not all by the same people, and each sought to portray what is relevant to their audience.

The gospels were written about 40- 100 years after the alleged death of Jesus by people who had never meet Jesus, they wrote their account purely based on here say, hence the disagreements in almost all of their accounts. Read the gospels n parallel and you will see that all their accounts cancel each other out as Mazaje likes putting it.

It doesn't have to be in the exact same words but by reading all four we see similarities in them and we can fully pciture the scene.
Matthew talks about Jesus saying Eli Eli, and so does Mark, it's funny how you chose to leave Mark from your list, I guess that one refutes your view on it and you don't like it. And then it goes on to talk about Jesus crying with a loud voice, and I guess this is where the confusion comes for you. Matthew speaks about Jesus crying with a loud voice, Mark talks about it also, Luke talks about it too, only Luke actually tells us what he says. John goes further to tell us that Jesus also said It is finished after taking the vinegar and then giving up the ghost. All gospels talk about the same thing, and in the same order, and each fill in in the blank for each other.

The gospels never talk about the same thing read all of the stories once again, you can even see that the writers do not know what they are talking about if you read what happened at the tomb, Mazaje has posted all their narratives for you to read. Their accounts completely cancel each other out. According to Matthew, an angel in shining garments is seen by Mary and Mary opening the tomb, and the angel tells them not to be afraid since Jesus is risen from the dead but according to Mark Mary and Mary find that the tomb has been already opened while Luke says that the women discover the tomb has been opened, and two men(Matthew says one angel) in shining garments come up to them and tell them not to be afraid since Jesus is risen. John's account is completely different and cancels all of them out.

Now where might the confusion come in again? In John, where it is the only one that records Jesus saying It is finished. But ofcourse we know why he would be the only one to know this because he was the only one of the disciples at the foot of the cross, and it is highly possible that Jesus did not cry out "It is finished" and only gave a whisper of it, watch the movie the passion of the christ and you will see that it would have been impossible for those who were not around to hear it. Because John was at the foot of the cross he heard it all.

The gospel of John was not written by John the disciple of Jesus, read the account of what happened at the tomb and you will understand that no disciple of Jesus wrote any of the accounts, eye witness accounts will not be so contradictory. The gospel of John was the last to be written and it was composed and edited in stages by unknown writers about 100 years after the death of Jesus. What has passion of the Christ got to do with this?

Why then did the other writers talk about him crying out loud, because he cried out loud, meaning others could hear him. The gospel writers got their crucifixion stories from John, Mary the Mother of God, Mary Magdala, and the Other Mary and others around, especially Luke since he told us that it was by his investigations that he put the story together. So it really makes sense that the first 3 writers wrote only that which was very audible by those at Golgotha, and John wrote more indepth because he was there, and saw no need to repeat that which the other writers already wrote, and only added in that which was a whisper "It is finished". Remember John was the last gospel to be written, and he only saw it fit to elaborate on that which the other writers did not go indepth with.

The gospel writers got their stories from hear say by christians who had been talking about Jesus for a very long time.

Now to correct you on something. The story of Jesus as it is in the positive light is only found in the Bible however, Jesus was mentioned in several non christian historic writings in the negative. His crucifixion was infact pointed out. So maybe you should do more research.

All the other non Christians historic writings that mentioned Jesus talked more about Christians as followers of Jesus by the way most of the writing were written about 100 -200 years after the alleged death and resurrection of Jesus. There was one Jewish historian that was alive during the life of Jesus who's name was Justus of Tiberius, He Lived n Galilee during the 1st century and wrote two preserved works, a history of the Jewish War of 66-70 and a chronicle of the Jewish people from Moses to the death of Agrippa II in 100 CE, covering the period in which Jesus supposedly lived but he never wrote any thing about Jesus. The writers of the gospel said that it was written in the scriptures that Jesus will come, live die and resurrect from the dead on the 3rd day but the problem is that NO Jewish such scripture exist any where in the world.

toneyb

I have read it well over and over again, and they all align. The problem u might be having is that you guys are using the KJV that has 30,000 errors in it. If u found error, ur finding it in the protestant bible.
Like I said, I've read it time and time again, and they are all alighned. They were written by eyewitnesses with the exception on Mark and Luke, so stop deluding urself dear. I know u don't want to believe it, u don't want to admit u are wrong, but they all say the same thing, or maybe it is that u did not read my entire post. Read it well.

what a pleasant surprise! Where is the response toneyb claimed he was getting ready for our thread on when Christ died?  
Typical of these frauds who simply copy arguments from websites, when they cant substantiate it they run away only to appear elsewhere appearing to be worried again.

@ mazaje
I wonder why u are so bothered about what happened to Jesus?

u are deeply worried and having sleepless nights about what awaits u in eternity, right?
that explains why u can post such a long sermon on a "fictional character". face ur fears.

noetic:

@ mazaje
I wonder why u are so bothered about what happened to Jesus?

u are deeply worried and having sleepless nights about what awaits u in eternity, right?
that explains why u can post such a long sermon on a "fictional character". face ur fears.

you wish, i just find it ridiculous why people believe in a story that completely does not add up. . . even the writers of the gospel do not seem to know exactly what happened to the jesus the wrote about their stories completely cancel each other out, pls tell me where jesus first appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead because the writers of the gospel do not know where that really happened. . .keep believing their lies. . .what is eternity? that only exist in your imagination. can't you see that even your fellow christians that claim to have been to the christian heaven and have written books about their "experiences" and what they "saw" clearly do not seem to agree on the nature of heaven and what each of them saw? their testimonies completely cancel each other out. . . .it only show that they have very good imaginations and fantasies. . . .jesus is a fictional character. . . keep believing the imaginations and fairy tales of ancient jews, greeks and romans. . . . . .

~Lady~:

toneyb

I have read it well over and over again, and they all align. The problem u might be having is that you guys are using the KJV that has 30,000 errors in it. If

You clearly did not read it and by the way the version Mazaje posted from is not the KJV. The bottom line is that their accounts completely cancel each other out, what did the women see? Was the tomb open before they went there or did they see an angel opening the tomb? did you read John's completely different account of events? It is very clear that you did not read it at all.

u found error, ur finding it in the protestant bible.

What is this? The protestant bible is now the excuse you have to throw at me? can you show me the story from the Catholic bible or Syrian bible?

Like I said, I've read it time and time again, and they are all alighned. They were written by eyewitnesses with the exception on Mark and Luke, so stop deluding urself dear. I know u don't want to believe it, u don't want to admit u are wrong, but they all say the same thing, or maybe it is that u did not read my entire post. Read it well.

They are not aligned at ALL. Read it again their accounts completely cancel each other out, what really happened? The gospel writers clearly do not seem to know. Read the different gospel accounts again. The gospels were not written by eye witness, eye witness will not make such mistakes and terrible contradictions in their accounts.

davidylan:

what a pleasant surprise! Where is the response toneyb claimed he was getting ready for our thread on when Christ died?  
Typical of these frauds who simply copy arguments from websites, when they cant substantiate it they run away only to appear elsewhere appearing to be worried again.

You have failed to tell Mazaje where Jesus appeared to the 11 of his disciples when he resurrected because the writers of the gospel do not seem to know exactly where it happened, yet you want me to go and engage you in another thread so that you will keep on lying for Jesus? I am done with that thread not because i don't want to but because I am tired of going around in circles, you can go ahead and claim victory and say what ever you like, enjoy. I'll rather copy and paste the ideas of people I know than to based my whole life, copy and paste the ideas, imaginations and fantasies of ancient Jews that I have no idea if they ever existed or not as Mazaje will always say.

toneyb:

You have failed to tell Mazaje where Jesus appeared to the 11 of his disciples when he resurrected because the writers of the gospel do not seem to know exactly where it happened, yet you want me to go and engage you in another thread so that you will keep on lying for Jesus? I am done with that thread not because i don't want to but because I am tired of going around in circles, you can go ahead and claim victory and say what ever you like, enjoy. I'll rather copy and paste the ideas of people I know than to based my whole life, copy and paste the ideas, imaginations and fantasies of ancient Jews that I have no idea if they ever existed or not as Mazaje will always say.

What has this to do with mazaje? Trying to escape your own self inflicted bondage? We were talking about the day Christ died and all of a sudden you're singing about where Christ appeared to the 11 disciples?
Do you frauds go around just trying to fit in ANY argument no matter how ridiculous it sounds?

You coward, you said you were coming back with a riposte . . . we are all waiting with bated breaths. Dont make us bin you in the Huxley category . . . all fluff, bluster and no substance.

davidylan:

What has this to do with mazaje?  Trying to escape your own self inflicted bondage? We were talking about the day Christ died and all of a sudden you're singing about where Christ appeared to the 11 disciples?
Do you frauds go around just trying to fit in ANY argument no matter how ridiculous it sounds?

You coward, you said you were coming back with a riposte . . . we are all waiting with bated breaths. Dont make us bin you in the Huxley category . . . all fluff, bluster and no substance.

Why all the diatribe?  What is it? I said I will not reply to the topic again what part of I will not reply do you not understand? Why should I keep on arguing with you the as to the day that Jesus died when it is very clear that the writers of the gospels do not know when Jesus was crucified, what time he was crucified, how he was arrested, what happened on the way to his crucifixion, how many women went to the sculpture and what time, what happened when Jesus was resurrected, where he first appeared to his disciples, where he ascended into heaven, how many days he spent on earth before he ascended into heaven etc. The gospel writers do not agree with each other on all the things I listed and you want me to engage you on the day that Jesus was crucified? Ok let me for the sake of this topic agree with you that Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of Nissan, I now what you to tell me what time was he crucified? was it by the 3rd hour as Mark wrote in his gospel or after the 6th hour according to John? Was there a mid day darkness for 3 hours all over the land after Jesus was crucified or not? if there was why is that only found in the gospel of Matthew and no where else on earth? Even the other gospel authors did not make any mention of mid day darkness for 3 hours all over the land.

toneyb:

Why all the diatribe?  What is it? I said I will not reply to the topic again what part of I will not reply do you not understand? Why should I keep on arguing with you the as to the day that Jesus died when it is very clear that the writers of the gospels do not know when Jesus was crucified, what time he was crucified, how he was arrested, what happened on the way to his crucifixion, how many women went to the sculpture and what time, what happened when Jesus was resurrected, where he first appeared to his disciples, where he ascended into heaven, how many days he spent on earth before he ascended into heaven etc. The gospel writers do not agree with each other on all the things I listed and you want me to engage you on the day that Jesus was crucified? Ok let me for the sake of this topic agree with you that Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of Nissan, I now what you to tell me what time was he crucified? was it by the 3rd hour as Mark wrote in his gospel of after the 6th hour according to John? Was there a mid day darkness for 3 hours after Jesus was crucified or not if there was why is that only found in the gospel of Matthew and no where else on earth? Even the other gospel authors did not make any mention of mid day darkness for 3 hours. 

Great questions.   Let us see if they answer them.  We want nothing short of faultless and seamless reconciliation of the gospel accounts. Or are they questions best avoided?

huxley:

Great questions.   Let us see if they answer them.  We want nothing short of faultless and seamless reconciliation of the gospel accounts.  Or are they questions best avoided? 

The writers of the gospels did not write them for people to seamlessly reconcile them, by the way their accounts can not be reconciled Christians just pick , chose and add what ever makes sense to them and present it as what the gospels are saying, if you read the accounts Mazaje posted as to what happened at the tomb of Jesus when he resurrected you will see that the accounts can not be reconciled together at all, The gospel of John makes rubbish of all the other 3 different gospel accounts with regards to what really happened at the tomb.

There was no "diatribe", all these is simply a ruse to wriggle away . . . i would long have ignored you and the thread but i was determined this time to hold your feet to the coals.

toneyb:
I said I will not reply to the topic again what part of I will not reply do you not understand?

what a shallow coward. Finally realised you didnt know as much as you were earlier bellowing about? Ran out of pages to google?

toneyb:
Why should I keep on arguing with you the as to the day that Jesus died when it is very clear that the writers of the gospels do not know when Jesus was crucified, what time he was crucified, how he was arrested, what happened on the way to his crucifixion, how many women went to the sculpture and what time, what happened when Jesus was resurrected, where he first appeared to his disciples, where he ascended into heaven, how many days he spent on earth before he ascended into heaven etc.

The problem is you are too desperate to find something, anything wrong with the accounts of the crucifiction to the detriment of going over all the details with a fine toothed comb. It is no longer enough to read up someone's rambling on the web and then come here to dress them up as your own.

toneyb:
The gospel writers do not agree with each other on all the things I listed and you want me to engage you on the day that Jesus was crucified? Ok let me for the sake of this topic agree with you that Jesus was crucified on the 14th day of Nissan

Note the typical style of these fools (they that say there is no God) . . . they first bluster and bleat that their position is right, expose them to be nothing but noisy blowhards and they quickly shift to another argument.

toneyb:
I now what you to tell me what time was he crucified? was it by the 3rd hour as Mark wrote in his gospel of after the 6th hour according to John?

No contradiction there at all if you bothered to study further instead of running around like a headless chicken . . . the clear difference is that while Mark wrote in Jewish time, John wrote in Roman time. Now according to the Jews . . . the 3rd hour was a 3 hr time frame between 6-9am (our time) . . . however Romans counted time like we did so when John says "about the 6th hour) he literarily means . . . the 6th hour from 12 am . . . i.e about 6 am. About the exact same time period Mark also says Christ was crucified.

To make things clearer . . . look at something brother John writes here - John 4:52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him. But there is NO 7th hour in Jewish time! There IS a 7th hour in Roman time! A clear indication John was counting his own time quite different from Mark's.

toneyb:
Was there a mid day darkness for 3 hours after Jesus was crucified or not if there was[b] why is that only found in the gospel of Matthew[/b] and no where else on earth? [size=15pt]Even the other gospel authors did not make any mention of mid day darkness for 3 hours.[/size] 

1. Actually it is also recorded in Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

and Luke 23:44 It was now about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45 while the sun’s light failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.

Lying or shoddy claims are not a good attribute.

2. Why did you expect the claims to be recorded everywhere else on earth? Do we have claims of eclipses recorded in China also reported by ancient Ghanaians? What a silly question.

His body was stolen and buried some place else.
Or
It was left on the cross(the custom in those days) to rot on the cross at d mercy of scavenger birds.

huxley:

Great questions.   Let us see if they answer them.  We want nothing short of faultless and seamless reconciliation of the gospel accounts. Or are they questions best avoided?

what a bunch of decietful, confused hypocrites. When it comes to the bible they want "faultless and seamless reconciliation of accounts" . . . ask them to reconcile evolution with abiogenesis or the fossil record and they start waffling.

toneyb:

The writers of the gospels did not write them for people to seamlessly reconcile them, by the way their accounts can not be reconciled Christians just pick , chose and add what ever makes sense to them and present it as what the gospels are saying, if you read the accounts Mazaje posted as to what happened at the tomb of Jesus when he resurrected you will see that the accounts can not be reconciled together at all, The gospel of John makes rubbish of all the other 3 different gospel accounts with regards to what really happened at the tomb.

On at least 3-4 separate facts now we've caught you in bogus lies that clearly demonstrate the fact that you havent bothered at all to "reconcile" the gospel accounts. You're simply parroting lines you read from someone else . . . you didnt even know that Mark and Luke also recorded the 3 hr darkness period Matthew spoke about . . . how would you be able to reconcile their accounts then?

If not that i detest letting you crooks get away with ur lies i'd have said responding to you is like wallowing in mud.

davidylan:

There was no "diatribe", all these is simply a ruse to wriggle away . . . i would long have ignored you and the thread but i was determined this time to hold your feet to the coals.

You wish, No diatribe eh?  

what a shallow coward. Finally realised you didnt know as much as you were earlier bellowing about? Ran out of pages to google?

You wish, I just didn't want to be moving in circles.

The problem is you are too desperate to find something, anything wrong with the accounts of the crucifiction to the detriment of going over all the details with a fine toothed comb. It is no longer enough to read up someone's rambling on the web and then come here to dress them up as your own.

Where did Jesus first appear to 11 of his disciples was it in Jerusalem or in Galilee? The writers of the Gospel do not seem to know that one I want you to tell me. What really happened at the tomb? the writers again do not seem to know what happened there, did the women see an opened tomb when they got there or did the see the angel opening it? Where exactly did Jesus ascend into heaven? The gospel writers do not seem to know that too. what really happened when Judas and the soldiers came to arrest Jesus? did Jesus identify himself or was he identified by a kiss from Judas?

Note the typical style of these fools (they that say there is no God) . . . they first bluster and bleat that their position is right, expose them to be nothing but noisy blowhards and they quickly shift to another argument.

What new arguments?

No contradiction there at all if you bothered to study further instead of running around like a headless chicken . . . the clear difference is that while Mark wrote in Jewish time, John wrote in Roman time. Now according to the Jews . . . the 3rd hour was a 3 hr time frame between 6-9am (our time) . . . however Romans counted time like we did so when John says "about the 6th hour) he literarily means . . . the 6th hour from 12 am . . . i.e about 6 am. About the exact same time period Mark also says Christ was crucified.

Mark did not write in Jewish time because Mark according to scholars was written by a Roman because scholars believe that the Gospel of Mark contains mistakes concerning Galilean geography and customs, the writer wasn't a Jew(but a Roman) because he wouldn't have missed and made mistakes about basic georgraphy and customs in his narrative if he were truly a Jew. Mark also explains Jewish terminology which show that he's writing to a non-Jewish audience.  Mark is a Hellenistic gospel, written primarily for an audience of Greek-speaking residents of the Roman Empire. Jewish traditions are explained, clearly for the benefit of non-Jews (e.g., Mark 7:1–4; 14:12; 15:42). Mark will not write in Jewish time when his gospel clearly shows that he was writing primarily to a non Jewish audience. I noticed that you are quick to answer this one because you have gotten some apologetics up your sleeves. What really happened at the tomb of Jesus?

1. Actually it is also recorded in Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

and Luke 23:44 It was now about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45 while the sun’s light failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.

Lying or shoddy claims are not a good attribute.

OK I admit I didn't read the other gospel accounts when I wrote that.

2. Why did you expect the claims to be recorded everywhere else on earth? Do we have claims of eclipses recorded in China also reported by ancient Ghanaians? What a silly question.

Mid day darkness for 3 hours all over the land would have been written by some one else out side the bible, No?

I just read thru Mazaje's lengthy piece of crap . . . mazaje do me a favour . . . you have 3 questions . . . break them down one by one (one post for each question) and i will respond to them ASAP.

The last question made me laugh the hardest . . . only a blowhard searching desperately for faults would see a contradiction there.