johnw74:

Of course dolphinheart is such a perverter of the truth, that he called the Christian God:

who is the Christian God ?

King James Bible
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.!

King James Bible
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

those that believe in 2 headed god , two persons in 1 god, can never ever adress those scriptures, they will always act as if it did not exist.

dolphinheart:


who is the Christian God ?

King James Bible
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.!

King James Bible
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

those that believe in 2 headed god , two persons in 1 god, can never ever adress those scriptures, they will always act as if it did not exist.

perverse fake jw dolphinheart again blasphemes God, calling God and the Word, who is the one true God, a "two headed god"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

They don't believe that verse and change what is says to call God "a god", because they have no understanding, not having the Holy Spirit,
they have been blinded through having no Love of the truth.

It's easy to see fake jw are part of satans church, calling God, "a god", "a two headed god"

Their lot is the LAKE OF FIRE.

Freksy:



If the father was in heaven, the son on earth and the holy spirit descended from the heaven, how were the three entities still together and in one thing you call "God"?

Jesus is God and still one of the persons in God, how?

You will have to work out your own confusion.
perhaps start here:

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

to those who read this thread.

I've said time and time again that those who believe that Jesus is almighty God will never explain the relationship between jesus and the father to you. They know jesus is not the same person as the father yet they endeavor to merge the two of them together.
jehovah had said he alone is the Almighty God and no one else except him.
Jesus has said that only the father is the only true God, but some will prefer to force jesus to assume that position too.
Jesus has shown us that the father is his God and our God , but some will want to another person as our God.
Jesus has always shown subjection to the father, but some no gree, they want jesus to take up equality with the father.
Jesus has been exalted to sit beside our God who is the most high, but some will want jesus to sit where the most high God is sitting.
God gave jesus the Revelation, but some will prefer that the revelation came from Jesus, cus they call him almighty God.

pls notice, you would or will ask these people about their beliefs, but they will not be able to explain to you, they will not be able to explain how the word can be with God and still be that same God, how the word can be God and still have a beginning. more importantly, they will not be able to answer or explain or use any of the numerous scriptures I've quoted so far on these thread.

They want you to believe without details, but I encourage you to ask questions, the answers will help in your quest for knowledge and search for the truth.
ask them:
does jesus have a god?
is he the same person as this God?
is he equal to his God?
or is he subjected to his God?
who gave jesus authority, did he give himself or was given?
did Jesus ever claim to be almighty God?
who anointed jesus?
who is that person to jesus?
when Jesus was is the presence of God, was he the same person as the God he was in presence of?
who sent jesus, was the person who sent jesus superior to jesus?

the answers to these questions and more supported by scripture verses, will help those who want to know the truth, know it.

John 1:1
14th century - Wycliffe's Bible (from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate ) reads: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word.

1808 “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome ’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text , London.

1822 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.);

1829 "and the Word was a god." - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829);

1863 "and the Word was a god." - A Literal Translation Of The New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863);

1864 “the LOGOS was God, This was in the Beginning with God” A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)

1864 “and a god was the Word” (left hand column interlinear reading) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson , New York and London.

1867 “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” - The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible .

1879 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979);

1885 "and the Word was a god." - Concise Commentary On The Holy Bible ( R. Young , 1885);

1911 "and the Word was a god." - The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911);

1935 “and the Word was divine” - The Bible — An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.

1955 “so the Word was divine” - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield , Aberdeen.

1956 The Wuest Expanded Translation reads: “In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity”

1958 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed" (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

1962, 1979 "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)

1966, 2001 The Good News Bible reads: "...and he was the same as God."

1970, 1989 The Revised English Bible reads: "...and what God was, the Word was."

1975 " and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany

1975 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);

1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.

1993 The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one. - The Message, by Eugene H. Peterson.


one thing is sure , the apostles told us who our God is , and they recorded it, so that we can be protected from man made doctrines. and as christians we should follow what the scriptures says.

King James Version
Eph 4:6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God

do you know and accept the God is the head of christ?

Surely if you accept, you would also accept when the apostles told us who that God is


King James Version
Eph 1:17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him


Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

johnw74:


You will have to work out your own confusion.
perhaps start here:

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

If you can't answer simple question(s) concerning your comments, then stop confusing and misleading people.

1. You asserted Jesus is God and is one of the persons in God, is it beyond you to tell us how?

2. You acknowledged the father, the son and the holy spirit were each at different positions, but concluded were together, shouldn't curious minds wonder how?

3. You claimed the three are persons; every person has a name, what is the name of the holy spirit?

dolphinheart:
to those who read this thread.

I've said time and time again that those who believe that Jesus is almighty God will never explain the relationship between jesus and the father to you. They know jesus is not the same person as the father yet they endeavor to merge the two of them together.
jehovah had said he alone is the Almighty God and no one else except him.
Jesus has said that only the father is the only true God, but some will prefer to force jesus to assume that position too.
Jesus has shown us that the father is his God and our God , but some will want to another person as our God.
Jesus has always shown subjection to the father, but some no gree, they want jesus to take up equality with the father.
Jesus has been exalted to sit beside our God who is the most high, but some will want jesus to sit where the most high God is sitting.
God gave jesus the Revelation, but some will prefer that the revelation came from Jesus, cus they call him almighty God.

pls notice, you would or will ask these people about their beliefs, but they will not be able to explain to you, they will not be able to explain how the word can be with God and still be that same God, how the word can be God and still have a beginning. more importantly, they will not be able to answer or explain or use any of the numerous scriptures I've quoted so far on these thread.

They want you to believe without details, but I encourage you to ask questions, the answers will help in your quest for knowledge and search for the truth.
ask them:
does jesus have a god?
is he the same person as this God?
is he equal to his God?
or is he subjected to his God?
who gave jesus authority, did he give himself or was given?
did Jesus ever claim to be almighty God?
who anointed jesus?
who is that person to jesus?
when Jesus was is the presence of God, was he the same person as the God he was in presence of?
who sent jesus, was the person who sent jesus superior to jesus?

the answers to these questions and more supported by scripture verses, will help those who want to know the truth, know it.

John 1:1
14th century - Wycliffe's Bible (from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate ) reads: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word.

1808 “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome ’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text , London.

1822 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.);

1829 "and the Word was a god." - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829);

1863 "and the Word was a god." - A Literal Translation Of The New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863);

1864 “the LOGOS was God, This was in the Beginning with God” A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)

1864 “and a god was the Word” (left hand column interlinear reading) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson , New York and London.

1867 “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” - The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible .

1879 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979);

1885 "and the Word was a god." - Concise Commentary On The Holy Bible ( R. Young , 1885);

1911 "and the Word was a god." - The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911);

1935 “and the Word was divine” - The Bible — An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.

1955 “so the Word was divine” - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield , Aberdeen.

1956 The Wuest Expanded Translation reads: “In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity”

1958 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed" (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

1962, 1979 "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)

1966, 2001 The Good News Bible reads: "...and he was the same as God."

1970, 1989 The Revised English Bible reads: "...and what God was, the Word was."

1975 " and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany

1975 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);

1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.

1993 The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one. - The Message, by Eugene H. Peterson.


one thing is sure , the apostles told us who our God is , and they recorded it, so that we can be protected from man made doctrines. and as christians we should follow what the scriptures says.

King James Version
Eph 4:6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God

do you know and accept the God is the head of christ?

Surely if you accept, you would also accept when the apostles told us who that God is


King James Version
Eph 1:17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him


Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

My brother you have always try to declare the truth but the blind, ignorant and apostates will always misrepresent the truth yet they can't cover the truth.

When you show them truth as found in the Bible they'll corner it and will never refute it, may you live long!

johnw74:


perverse fake jw dolphinheart again blasphemes God, calling God and the Word, who is the one true God, a "two headed god"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

They don't believe that verse and change what is says to call God "a god", because they have no understanding, not having the Holy Spirit,
they have been blinded through having no Love of the truth.

It's easy to see fake jw are part of satans church, calling God, "a god", "a two headed god"

Their lot is the LAKE OF FIRE.

Boy grow up na, this is already stale.

You sound like a broken record, you're just here throwing tantrums and making noise up and down yet you can't make any single sense.

Must you die in falsehood?

Quote me this time only if you'll make sense.

goodnews201668:



My brother you have always try to declare the truth but the blind, ignorant and apostates will always misrepresent the truth yet they can't cover the truth.

When you show them truth as found in the Bible they'll corner it and will never refute it, may you live long!

thank you bro.

dolphinheart:
to those who read this thread.

I've said time and time again that those who believe that Jesus is almighty God will never explain the relationship between jesus and the father to you. They know jesus is not the same person as the father yet they endeavor to merge the two of them together.
jehovah had said he alone is the Almighty God and no one else except him.
Jesus has said that only the father is the only true God, but some will prefer to force jesus to assume that position too.
Jesus has shown us that the father is his God and our God , but some will want to another person as our God.
Jesus has always shown subjection to the father, but some no gree, they want jesus to take up equality with the father.
Jesus has been exalted to sit beside our God who is the most high, but some will want jesus to sit where the most high God is sitting.
God gave jesus the Revelation, but some will prefer that the revelation came from Jesus, cus they call him almighty God.

pls notice, you would or will ask these people about their beliefs, but they will not be able to explain to you, they will not be able to explain how the word can be with God and still be that same God, how the word can be God and still have a beginning. more importantly, they will not be able to answer or explain or use any of the numerous scriptures I've quoted so far on these thread.

They want you to believe without details, but I encourage you to ask questions, the answers will help in your quest for knowledge and search for the truth.
ask them:
does jesus have a god?
is he the same person as this God?
is he equal to his God?
or is he subjected to his God?
who gave jesus authority, did he give himself or was given?
did Jesus ever claim to be almighty God?
who anointed jesus?
who is that person to jesus?
when Jesus was is the presence of God, was he the same person as the God he was in presence of?
who sent jesus, was the person who sent jesus superior to jesus?

the answers to these questions and more supported by scripture verses, will help those who want to know the truth, know it.

John 1:1
14th century - Wycliffe's Bible (from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate ) reads: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was at God, and God was the word.

1808 “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in An Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome ’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text , London.

1822 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.);

1829 "and the Word was a god." - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829);

1863 "and the Word was a god." - A Literal Translation Of The New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863);

1864 “the LOGOS was God, This was in the Beginning with God” A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)

1864 “and a god was the Word” (left hand column interlinear reading) The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson , New York and London.

1867 “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God” - The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible .

1879 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979);

1885 "and the Word was a god." - Concise Commentary On The Holy Bible ( R. Young , 1885);

1911 "and the Word was a god." - The Coptic Version of the N.T. (G. W. Horner, 1911);

1935 “and the Word was divine” - The Bible — An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.

1955 “so the Word was divine” - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield , Aberdeen.

1956 The Wuest Expanded Translation reads: “In the beginning the Word was existing. And the Word was in fellowship with God the Father. And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity”

1958 "and the Word was a god." - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed" (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

1962, 1979 "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979)

1966, 2001 The Good News Bible reads: "...and he was the same as God."

1970, 1989 The Revised English Bible reads: "...and what God was, the Word was."

1975 " and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany

1975 "and the Word was a god." - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);

1978 “and godlike sort was the Logos” - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.

1993 The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one. - The Message, by Eugene H. Peterson.


one thing is sure , the apostles told us who our God is , and they recorded it, so that we can be protected from man made doctrines. and as christians we should follow what the scriptures says.

King James Version
Eph 4:6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God

do you know and accept the God is the head of christ?

Surely if you accept, you would also accept when the apostles told us who that God is


King James Version
Eph 1:17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him


Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

fake jw doesn't believe much of the Bible including John 1:1
they blaspheme God calling Him "a god" and dolphinheart also calls Him "a two headed God"
Why people have discussions with sectarians and other non believers, I don't know,
but this Christian doesn't waste his time.

Freksy:


If you can't answer simple question(s) concerning your comments, then stop confusing and misleading people.

1. You asserted Jesus is God and is one of the persons in God, is it beyond you to tell us how?

2. You acknowledged the father, the son and the holy spirit were each at different positions, but concluded were together, shouldn't curious minds wonder how?

3. You claimed the three are persons; every person has a name, what is the name of the holy spirit?

There is no misleading with me, you are lying, and the confusion is definitely with you.

sounds like you probably think the Holy Spirit is "a thing" like fake jw do, perhaps you are fake jw,
with that being the case you couldn't be told anything, except perhaps that God is "a god", "a two headed god", you would believe that,
go talk with fake jw they understand confusion.

goodnews201668:



Boy grow up na, this is already stale.

You sound like a broken record, you're just here throwing tantrums and making noise up and down yet you can't make any single sense.

Must you die in falsehood?

Quote me this time only if you'll make sense.

You fake jw antichrists don't understand sense and reject it,
you have been blinded for not loving the truth.
When you call the Word "a god" you are an antichrist, when you say God, is "a two headed god" you are an abomination to Him.

The writer of Hebrews testifies that the Father never called an angel His son etc, and the writer also testifies that Father God called His Son "God", and the writer himself testifies that Jesus is not an angel.
But supposed jw's don't believe the testimony of the writer of Hebrews, and the so called jw's don't believe the testimony of Father God.


Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


Father God said of the angels," who made them spirits"
but to the Son He said,Thy throne "O God" is for ever and ever.

The writer of Hebrewes and Father God show a clear distinction between the angels and the Son in all these verses.

supposed jw's change and twist the plain words, and try to make these sentences say something else.

supposed jw's don't believe the writer of Hebrews and supposed jw's don't believe Father God.

johnw74:


There is no misleading with me, you are lying, and the confusion is definitely with you.

sounds like you probably think the Holy Spirit is "a thing" like fake jw do, perhaps you are fake jw,
with that being the case you couldn't be told anything, except perhaps that God is "a god", "a two headed god", you would believe that,
go talk with fake jw they understand confusion.

Jozzy4 said it all.

So long!

Freksy:


Jozzy4 said it all.


So long!

Yes jozzy says a lot of rubbish

good riddance phony

Freksy:


Jozzy4 said it all.

So long!

yes jozzy say's so much,
not much true though

Jozzy4:


the johnw guy ....

....but I like him

Ha ha

johnw74:


Yes jozzy says a lot of rubbish

good riddance phony

phony , how market ?

If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)

4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

30. Then how can he be God's image? $mM (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)

48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.


If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that

"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

^^^
phony jw who don't believe all the Bible verses posted showing that the Word is God and that He isn't an angel
and that Father God Himself called the Word Jesus Christ "God"
but instead they blaspheme God and call Him "a god" and "a two headed God"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

phony Jw don't know the Truth, because the Truth is not in them.

johnw74:
The writer of Hebrews testifies that the Father never called an angel His son etc,

you have started adding lies to your false doctrine.

and the writer also testifies that Father God called His Son "God", and the writer himself testifies that Jesus is not an angel.
But supposed jw's don't believe the testimony of the writer of Hebrews, and the so called jw's don't believe the testimony of Father God.

but you are now deliberately omitting part of the writers teachings, the writer also stated that God called himself the God of the one he anointed. These words are from the same writer of Hebrews.

New International Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore GOD, YOUR GOD, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."

did the writer talk about one person or two persons there?
Is one person the God of the other person? yes
did one person anoint the other person? yes
does the one being anointed have companions ? yes yes yes.

The writer of heb probably Knew false doctrine about the father and son will come , hence he used that verse to defend the truth. you see it, but because you know that it will not surpport your doctrine , you refuse to quote it along with the verses you quoted. you refuse to acknowledge the word word of God .
( for those reading this thread: notice that when these post is replied by those who believe in false doctrines, that verse (heb1:9)will be cut off, and if it's not cut off, they will never ever try to explain it, cus doing so will show that their doctrine is false.)

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

can you see what the writer is telling you? God spoke through the Prophets before, they where is messenger, but as at the time of the writer, God spoke through his son. from this, we know that
1. The God that spoke through the prophet is not the son
2. like the Prophets, the son is a messenger of God.
3. The son is the heir to all things. to be an heir shows you do not presently own all things, therefore jesus is not almighty God!
4. The one who was sent on a message and the one who did the sending are not equal!

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

wow! jesus is not the Majesty on high, Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high!, following gods instruction for him to do so!, does this not through the trinity doctrine into the dustbin?

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

do you agree with the writer that Jesus was MADE! , who made jesus better than the angels?
how was he made better than the angles,the writer answers : as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than theirs.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

the answer: jesus!

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."


Father God said of the angels," who made them spirits"
but to the Son He said,Thy throne "O God" is for ever and ever.

It is quite evident that the God in verse 8 , has a God (verse 9)
now does jesus have a God? (readers should check if these question is ever answered)

The writer of Hebrewes and Father God show a clear distinction between the angels and the Son in all these verses.

and the writer mentioned the reason why, hope you saw it? hope you saw why and how jesus became better than his companions?

supposed jw's change and twist the plain words, and try to make these sentences say something else.

supposed jw's don't believe the writer of Hebrews and supposed jw's don't believe Father God.

supposed jw are telling you the truth with the numerous scriptures you can't respond to

^^^
phony jw lie and twist a very straight forward post,
just as they do the scriptures.

The writer of Hebrews testifies that the Father never called an angel His son

etc, and the writer also testifies that Father God called His Son "God", and the writer himself testifies that

Jesus is not an angel.
But supposed jw's don't believe the testimony of the writer of Hebrews, and the so called jw's don't believe the

testimony of Father God.


Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also

he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by

the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name

than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And

again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of

God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is

the sceptre of thy kingdom.


Father God said of the angels," who made them spirits"
but to the Son He said,Thy throne "O God" is for ever and ever.

The writer of Hebrewes and Father God show a clear distinction between the angels and the Son in all these verses.

supposed jw's change and twist the plain words, and try to make these sentences say something else.

supposed jw's don't believe the writer of Hebrews and supposed jw's don't believe Father God.

God was manifest in the flesh:
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

we are the son's of God
when He-God appears we will be like Him
He-God was manifested to take away our sins

johnw74:

^^^
phony jw who don't believe all the Bible verses posted showing that the Word is God and that He isn't an angel
and that Father God Himself called the Word Jesus Christ "God"
but instead they blaspheme God and call Him "a god" and "a two headed God"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

phony Jw don't know the Truth, because the Truth is not in them.

Bros to be honest you simply have no argument here, you could have done better but you did a very terrible job repeating the crap over and over again.

these guys just murdered you ass..

Muster something better and not this repetition that is as weak as straw!!!

Christians are reading this and you are doing a bad job defending the trinitarian doctrine honestly

JESUS EAT AND PRAY,GOD DOES NOT.I DONT KNOW WHY PPL COMPARE JESUS WIT GOD D DIFFRENT IS BIG.JESUS SLEEP AND GOD DOES NT SLEEP

johnw74:

God was manifest in the flesh:
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

stop surportin false doctrine with currupt ed words.

1 timothy 3:16
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh,.........

New Living Translation
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body............

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh,.......

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh,..........

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh,......

New American Standard Bible
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh,..........

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh........

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight,......

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the the spirit.......

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh...........

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature,........

New American Standard 1977
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,........

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh,........

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh,........

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh,........

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form......

Basic English Translation (BBE)
And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh,.....


An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture

Newton argued that, by a small alteration in the Greek text, the word "God" was substituted to make the phrase read "God was manifest in the flesh." instead of "which was manifested in the flesh.". He attempted to demonstrate that early Church writers in referring to the verse knew nothing of such an alteration.

Modern translations of 1 Timothy 3:16 following the Critical Text now typically replace "God" with "He" or "He who", while the literal Emphasized has "who".

Newton did not publish these findings during his lifetime, likely due to the political climate. Those who wrote against the doctrine of the Trinity were subject to persecution in England. The Blasphemy Act 1697 made it an offence to deny one of the persons of the Trinity to be God, punishable with loss of office and employment on the first occasion, further legal ramifications on the second occasion, and imprisonment without hope for bail on the third occasion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture

Bart D. Ehrman
“The passage in question, 1 Tim. 3:16, had long been used by advocates of orthodox theology to support the view that the New Testament itself calls Jesus God. For the text, in most manuscripts, refers to Christ as “God made manifest in the flesh, and justified in the Spirit.” As I pointed out in chapter 3, most manuscripts abbreviate sacred names (the socalled nomina sacra), and that is the case here as well, where the Greek word God (QEOS) is abbreviated in two letters, theta and sigma (QS), with a line drawn over the top to indicate that it is an abbreviation. What Wettstein noticed in examining Codex Alexandrinus was that the line over the top had been drawn in a different ink from the surrounding words, and so appeared to be from a later hand (i.e., written by a later scribe). Moreover, the horizontal line in the middle of the first letter, Q, was not actually a part of the letter but was a line that had bled through from the other side of the old vellum. In other words, rather than being the abbreviation (thetasigma) For “God” (QS), the word was actually an omicron and a sigma (OS), a different word altogether, which simply means “who.” The original reading of the manuscript thus did not speak of Christ as “God made manifest in the flesh” but of Christ “who was made manifest in the flesh.” According to the ancient testimony of the Codex Alexandrinus, Christ is no longer explicitly called God in this passage.”
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/07/29/1-timothy-316-did-god-become-manifest-in-flesh/

1. Although the above verse in the NIV does not support the Trinity, there are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. Trinitarian scholars admit, however, that these Greek texts were altered by scribes in favor of the Trinitarian position. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
2. In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:
[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos ; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either (a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [ i.e. , to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]
3. When properly translated, 1 Timothy 3:16 actually argues against the Trinity. “By common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory” ( NASB ). This section of Scripture beautifully portrays an overview of Christ’s life and accomplishments. It all fits with what we know of the man , Jesus Christ. If Jesus were God, this section of Scripture would have been the perfect place to say so. We should expect to see some phrases like, “God incarnate,” “God and Man united,” “very God and very man,” etc . But nothing like that occurs. Instead, the section testifies to what non-Trinitarians believe—that Christ was a man, begotten by the Father, and that he was taken up into glory.

www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-timothy-3-16

check : www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/1Tim3_16.html

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

you should have started from verse one to know who our God is

King James Version
1Jo 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.[/u]

IS JESUS THE FATHER? Noo ooooo ooooo!

King James Version
Joh 17:25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.


King James Version
Ro 8:3, 15-17
3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

:16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17.And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Jesus is not God , he is an heir, that why the scripture above said they will be joint heirs with jesus after they become children of God!, with the help of Jesus Christ.

King James Version
Heb 1:2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

King James Version
Ga 4:4- 7But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5.To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

we are the son's of God
when He-God appears we will be like Him
He-God was manifested to take away our sins

Read and comment on the scriptures above(though an imposible thing for you do at the moment), it will help you clarify your confusion.

Rilwayne001:
who cares about your silly opinion

The truth would be silly to a trolling muslim

johnydon22:


Bros to be honest you simply have no argument here, you could have done better but you did a very terrible job repeating the crap over and over again.

these guys just murdered you ass..

Muster something better and not this repetition that is as weak as straw!!!

Christians are reading this and you are doing a bad job defending the trinitarian doctrine honestly

This thread is not about the trinity doctrine, but about Jesus Christ being "God"
opposed to "a god'
read the thread title.

BAZETU12:
JESUS EAT AND PRAY,GOD DOES NOT.I DONT KNOW WHY PPL COMPARE JESUS WIT GOD D DIFFRENT IS BIG.JESUS SLEEP AND GOD DOES NT SLEEP

duh, Jesus is also man, God is Spirit
the thread is not about Jesus being a man, even you know that
it's about Jesus Christ also being "God"
which you don't believe, ok

johnw74:


This thread is not about the trinity doctrine, but about Jesus Christ being "God"
opposed to "a god'
read the thread title.

Exactly .. for a doctrine to equate Jesus as God it must be at least Di-nity or Unitarian more conventionally trinitarian.

So since from your posts on this thread you distinguished the person of Jesus from the person of Yahweh/Jehovah and then terms both God.

this means you find these two persons the same in essence as God but distinct in personality.

So it is the same thing

johnydon22:


Bros to be honest you simply have no argument here, you could have done better but you did a very terrible job repeating the crap over and over again.

these guys just murdered you ass..

Muster something better and not this repetition that is as weak as straw!!!

Christians are reading this and you are doing a bad job defending the trinitarian doctrine honestly

The first thing i released that was false about xtianity was the. Trinity doctrine

johnydon22:


Exactly .. for a doctrine to equate Jesus as God it must be at least Di-nity or Unitarian more conventionally trinitarian.

So since from your posts on this thread you distinguished the person of Jesus from the person of Yahweh/Jehovah and then terms both God.

this means you find these two persons the same in essence as God but distinct in personality.

So it is the same thing

With the thread not being about the Holy Spirit, it cannot be about trinity

the thread is about Jesus being God (two persons in God as per John 1:1 )
didn't think that would be hard to understand.

urahara:


The first thing i released that was false about xtianity was the. Trinity doctrine

cool, go to your place