Proffdada:
Jesus Christ went to hell because He was the scapelamb of mankind

naijamakossa:
if u do not fear man fear God

Proffdada:
why do you say so? Jesus Christ had to retrieve keys of gates of hell from devil but first He had to carry the sins of mankind to the grave. Or you don't understand me, that's why you think I'm insulting? Nope, I'm only rephrasing my 1st statement for you to understand

naijamakossa:
we all know that Jesus Christ died and rose on the third day and my question is this between the death and the resurrection of Christ where was his ghost or will I say spirit,was the spirit with God in the heaven and later come back to resurrect or was the spirit just hanging around the earth,,,,?

JMAN05:


He was unconscious in the grave. Eccl 9:5,10

naijamakossa:
just finished reading the bible quotation u gave but does not relate although it talks about death

JMAN05:


It did. what do u understand from those verses, let me help.

naijamakossa:
aah sorry don't get it at first now u hv explained it better I will modify...was he in hell all the three days,,please give me bible verse

naijamakossa:
aah sorry don't get it at first now u hv explained it better I will modify...was he in hell all the three days,,please give me bible verse

naijamakossa:
ok let me assume that I understand all wat d chapter is saying........ that the dead have no reward for anything under the sun ,,,,that they no notin happening now on earth and u also said that Jesus is unconscious within the three days in his tomb,,hmm guy wahala dey ooo
wat abt his spirit ,is the spirit also unconscious?

Proffdada:
Ephesians 4:8-10King James Version (KJV)

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

promise101:
Jesus was in hell all through see verses;
1. Ephesians 4:9 that Christ our Lord descended into Hell after He offered His life on the cross. “Now that He ascended, what is it, but because He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?” Note here that Hell is described as having “parts” that is the four parts of Hell.
2. Saint Peter said in Acts 2:24 that “God hath raised up Christ, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that He should be holden by it.” Christ loosed the Old Testament saints from hell.
3. Saint Peter also wrote in 1 Peter 3:19 that “Christ coming in spirit preached to those spirits that were in prison, which had some time been incredulous.” On this verse, Saint Athanasius says that “Christ’s body was laid in the sepulchre when He went to preach to those spirits who were in bondage, as Peter said.” (Ep. ad Epict.)
4. The prophet Hosea foretold the descent of Christ into Hell in Hosea 13:14 by placing these words into the mouth of the Messiah: “O death, I will be thy death; O hell, I will be thy bite.”
5. Zechariah foretells the redemption of those in the Limbo of the Fathers in Zech 9:11: “Thou also by the blood of Thy Testament hast sent forth Thy prisoners out of the pit.” What could this mean except that the Messiah would free people from the underworld?
6. Colossians 2:15: “Despoiling the principalities and powers, He hath exposed them confidently.” This refers to Christ’s victory over the condemned angels who are the demons of Hell.
7. Psalm 23:7: “Lift up your gates, O ye princes,” which the medieval Gloss interprets: “that is–Ye princes of hell, take away your power, whereby hitherto you held men fast in hell”.

8. In Ecclesiasticus 24:45, Siracides prophecied: “I will penetrate to all the lower parts of the earth.”

Splinz:
The psalmist wrote, "What profit is there in my death, if I go down to the Pit? Will the dust praise You? Will it tell of Your faithfulness?". Again, "For in death there is no remembrance of You; in sheol who will give You praise"?- (Psalms 30:9, 6:5).

These psalms are truly eye opener to discerning minds still wallowing in darkness of the true state of man after death. The psalmist thrown these questions to God but no answer is given (not that he was expecting one), because the answer is obvious- death simply mean death (absent of life)!

Hard saying? Not at all, if you'll simply accept the truth. Why did the psalmist asked all of these questions knowing fully well that when he die, he will go to heaven and praise God and sing His faithfulness? The fact is that he had a perfect understanding of his state as a dead man!

Paul asked a question, "...how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?", 1 CORINTHIANS 15:12. The people at the time correctly understood what death is and therefore rejected or scoffed at the thought of a resurrection when it was taught by the Apostles, hence, the reason why Paul asked them this question. This resurrection being talked of will happen at the coming of Jesus Christ, 1 CORINTHIANS 15:22-23. Again I ask, if supposedly the good people are living in heaven, who will be resurrected at the coming of Christ? Is the resurrection for the dead or the living? I bet you can never answer these salient questions correctly except you come to terms with the true state of the dead. It doesn't matter for how long you've learned the wrong thing, but willing to take correction now.

Finally, "The dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into silence"- PSALM 115:17. Silence (a state of inactivity; death) indeed! So OP, when Jesus died and rose, He rose from the death to life; and not from life to life!

LinuxMint:
Jesus was simply dead for 3 days, and was resurrected.

take a look at acts 2:25 - 36 (KJV)
[b]
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[/b]


hell as used here simply means grave, so Jesus did not go to hell to collect any key, as nothing abt such was discussed in that context. however, when he died, he went to hell or dust, or grave which is where humans go to after death (Genesis 3:19)... but God had resurrect him after 3 days. then he put on a spirit body,no longer physical.

naijamakossa:
ok let me assume that I understand all wat d chapter is saying........ that the dead have no reward for anything under the sun ,,,,that they no notin happening now on earth and u also said that Jesus is unconscious within the three days in his tomb,,hmm guy wahala dey ooo
wat abt his spirit ,is the spirit also unconscious?

naijamakossa:
hmmm this is becoming more confusing,u mean he didn't go to hell?

Splinz:
Of course hell is the grave. And it is one of the most twisted and misunderstood word in mainstream Christendom.

naijamakossa:
really?

Splinz:
Of course hell is the grave. And it is one of the most twisted and misunderstood word in mainstream Christendom.

Proffdada:

Hell is real place of torment

even Jesus said so

Mark 9:43

43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Matthew 13:42

42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 25:41

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
John 5:29
29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 15:6
6If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Mark 9:43-48
43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched
44Where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched
46Where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire
48Where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”

LinuxMint:

Do not get confused. he went to hell. but hell is not a place of firery torment, it is simply the common grave of mankind.
even God's faithful servant Job in the bible prayed to go to hell (job 14:13). meaning. he wished to die n goto the grave due to his predicament.

so understand the fact that hell mean grave!

Proffdada:

Hell is real place of torment

even Jesus said so

Mark 9:43

43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Matthew 13:42

42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 25:41

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
John 5:29
29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 15:6
6If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Mark 9:43-48
43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched
44Where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched
46Where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire
48Where “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”

Princewell2012:


Mmmmm, which means Jesus were also tormented with fire Mmmmm. Speechless.

naijamakossa:
don't know where to stand

Proffdada:
Jesus Christ died to free us from the torment that awaits .
Jesus Christ actually went to hell not to be tormented but to redeem us from the torment. He's above torment

Proffdada:
Jesus Christ died to free us from the torment that awaits .
Jesus Christ actually went to hell not to be tormented but to redeem us from the torment. He's above torment