One Tuesday afternoon, I just got back from lunch and decided to rest my head a bit on my desk as it has been a stressful day trying a whole lot of different engineering designs to know which one works better for a novel installation we were going to embark on. My Boss (He is a pastor) apparently tired for the same reason walked slowly into the office I guess trying to stretch out and cool off before going back to look at the last design I turned in.

We exchanged the usual oga and boy greetings and without any warning he asked me 'why do you people pray to Mary? . At first I was shocked but I managed to offer a little explanation citing the wedding at Cana and the Behold your mother bible scenes as examples. But that would not convince him (not that I expected him to be convinced anyway) as he went on to preach to me about having only one mediator between God and Man and all that. Then he added, don't you think that by asking Mary to pray for you instead of of you praying directly to your God, you are only undermining the power of grace of Jesus? I thought about that for a second then I asked him whether he believed that Jesus can heal every disease and he answered in the affirmative. I asked him again if he takes drugs and he said yes, then I asked him if he believed that taking drugs undermined the power of Jesus by whose stripes we are healed. He looked at me for a while and said no, shook his head and said to me and I quote "the power of indoctrination can not easily be broken". I asked for explanation and he told me that I have I have been brainwashed from childhood to hold on to these doctrines (for we talked a lot about Mary and the Rosary) and that he will continue praying fro me to break free from them.

Although I laughed at him when he said that I couldn't help thinking to myself at home 'what if he was right?' 'what if I was brainwashed to believe these thing? Well, trust me I quickly dismissed these ideas for I have witnessed personal miracles through the rosary.

Funny enough few weeks later, I was on nairaland (dmandy was the moniker and it has long been deactivated) and the topic of discuss again was Mary and rosary. After a lengthy discussion on the issue someone asked me if any of my prayers through Mary has ever been answered and I was so and glad as I started telling the tale of a period not quite long ago from that time when I was either going to loose my job and defend my Msc project or abandon the thesis for my job (I was supposed to go offshore and there was no alternative) I earnestly prayed my rosary and decided to go for the job. Long story short, I called my course mates that faithful Monday morning and received the good news, the defense has been postponed for a whole two months. I couldn't believe this miracle.... I sang and thanked my lord Jesus and the His dearly beloved mother for this unmerited favor. To my uttermost surprise, my fellow christian asked me 'Don't you think that was a coincidence?' Ewoo! would it still had been anything near a coincidence if I had prayed in Jesus Name without mentioning Mary or the Rosary. Well, I answered that it was nothing like coincidence but deep down I I had a series of "what if's".

What if he was right? What if all the miracles I have been so proud of were mere coincidence? What if my boss was right and that I came to see the Mary as the mother of Jesus because I was told? what if I came to believe that the bible is the word of God because I was told? what if I was brainwashed to think that my belief is superior to other? What if I was I was born in Sokoto (I am from Imo state), would I be a Christian today? What if I was born in China, would it be any difference? What if ......

Oh never mind, some things are better left unattended to but why?

That's religion for u. Ur boss thinks he is right and u are wrong , u think ur boss is wrong and u are right... but what is God doing... just waiting to judge whoever is wrong and accept whoever is right.
Yet everyone was indoctrinated... it's not ur fault to be Catholic neither is it ur boss's fault to be what ever he is.
But can both of u try to be objective? It's really not about God but about u.
If u think hard, u will realize that it's all man made. If it's really God, would it really be this confusing? Is anyone confused about the sun? How much more on God the creator?
Trust me if u believe in stone u will attribute all ur (seemingly) answered prayer to stone. Guess what... every seemingly answered prayer is nothing but a mere coincidence. This is why many times prayers are not answered.
Go and read about self fulfilled prophecy. U will understand how the need to feel special makes us feel our prayers have been answered. We look fr reasons to believe our prayer can be answered so that we can feel good and loved by a suppoaed creator. It makes us feel special in this crazy uncertain world.
The fact is... everything is a lie. If God exists, the skeptist would be his best kind of people... why? Becasue they are not telling him the brain he gave them is not useless.

Both of u are funny,no ugly poke intended.

frank317:
That's religion for u. Ur boss thinks he is right and u are wrong , u think ur boss is wrong and u are right... but what is God doing... just waiting to judge whoever is wrong and accept whoever is right.
Yet everyone was indoctrinated... it's not ur fault to be Catholic neither is it ur boss's fault to be what ever he is.
But can both of u try to be objective? It's really not about God but about u.
If u think hard, u will realize that it's all man made. If it's really God, would it really be this confusing? Is anyone confused about the sun? How much more on God the creator?
Trust me if u believe in stone u will attribute all ur (seemingly) answered prayer to stone. Guess what... every seemingly answered prayer is nothing but a mere coincidence. This is why many times prayers are not answered.
Go and read about self fulfilled prophecy. U will understand how the need to feel special makes us feel our prayers have been answered. We look fr reasons to believe our prayer can be answered so that we can feel good and loved by a suppoaed creator. It makes us feel special in this crazy uncertain world.
The fact is... everything is a lie. If God exists, the skeptist would be his best kind of people... why? Becasue they are not telling him the brain he gave them is not useless.

Beautifully written, well said.

Op you and your boss are both wrong to even accept religion and your boss is just being ethnocentric about his belief making yours seem redundant/irrelevant but in the real sense both are irrelevant. However, you both are caught up in the matrix of social psychology.

You internalize a group norms to fit in into the society, the norms might be positive or negative but still doesn't negate the fact that its appealing to the masses who lacks questioning character because they grew and possibly will die with it, it shapes their world and life view.

In conclusion, keep practicing religion for the reason of mass appeal and try not to juxtapose it with other belief system.

Man, know thyself. Unfortunately, thy self is an illusion. The migraines of existence.

Phil 4 :6 Be careful for nothing but with all prayers and supplications let your request be made known unto GOD.
WHO IS GOD,? The Father, The Word and The Holy ghost.
Some people say Peter was the first pope. However, no where in the bible does he or the apostles charge us to pray to Mary. Neither was Mary requested of any miracle.

PRAYING TO MARY IS IDOLATRY. NO IDOLATROUS WILL ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM.

frank317:
That's religion for u. Ur boss thinks he is right and u are wrong , u think ur boss is wrong and u are right... but what is God doing... just waiting to judge whoever is wrong and accept whoever is right.
Yet everyone was indoctrinated... it's not ur fault to be Catholic neither is it ur boss's fault to be what ever he is.
But can both of u try to be objective? It's really not about God but about u.
If u think hard, u will realize that it's all man made. If it's really God, would it really be this confusing? Is anyone confused about the sun? How much more on God the creator?
Trust me if u believe in stone u will attribute all ur (seemingly) answered prayer to stone. Guess what... every seemingly answered prayer is nothing but a mere coincidence. This is why many times prayers are not answered.
Go and read about self fulfilled prophecy. U will understand how the need to feel special makes us feel our prayers have been answered. We look fr reasons to believe our prayer can be answered so that we can feel good and loved by a suppoaed creator. It makes us feel special in this crazy uncertain world.
The fact is... everything is a lie. If God exists, the skeptist would be his best kind of people... why? Becasue they are not telling him the brain he gave them is not useless.

The bold is seems logically true..... but if everything is an illusion, What then are we doing here? Why is it that some things appear to us to be more real than others?

sonOfLucifer:
Man, know thyself. Unfortunately, thy self is an illusion. The migraines of existence.

It's so unfortunate we may never know what is true.

mrZENographer:
Phil 4 :6 Be careful for nothing but with all prayers and supplications let your request be made known unto GOD.
WHO IS GOD,? The Father, The Word and The Holy ghost.
Some people say Peter was the first pope. However, no where in the bible does he or the apostles charge us to pray to Mary. Neither was Mary requested of any miracle.

PRAYING TO MARY IS IDOLATRY. NO IDOLATROUS WILL ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM.

My brother I think you are right. But the same people who said that Peter was the first pope also said that God is trinity as you have pointed out @bold. However, no where in the bible does it say anything like that. On what grounds do we choose what to believe from these people and what to reject from the same people? Think about this.

ABOUT HYPOCRITES, THE BIBLE HAS THIS TO SAY: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter.."

rejosom:


My brother I think you are right. But the same people who said that Peter was the first pope also said that God is trinity as you have pointed out @bold. However, no where in the bible does it say anything like that. On what grounds do we choose what to believe from these people and what to reject from the same people? Think about this.

ABOUT HYPOCRITES, THE BIBLE HAS THIS TO SAY: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter.."

It's true the word Trinity is not in the bible but the definitions of it are in many places.
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
There are three that bear witness in Heaven: The Father, The Word and The Holy ghost. These three are one. 1 John 5:7
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1
I proceeded forth and came out from God. John 16:28
etc etc

Also similar is the word 'RAPTURE' which is not in the bible but it's definition or description is almost everywhere in the new testament. 1 thessalonians 4:18.

These are not from the catholics. The catholics have mixed the bible with their traditions like worshipping or praying to Mary, infallibility of pope, praying with rosary( no where are we commanded or given example to do so. This is pagan practise. if you notice, Islam, Hindus, Buddhist also use beads in their pagan prayers.), making and kneeling before graven images is rampant in Catholism. Infact God hates it. Isaiah 45:16,

Isaiah 44:9 'They that make a graven image are all of them vanity;...'

There is VAST difference BTW catholic christians and 100% bible christians.

rejosom:


It's so unfortunate we may never know what is true.

Doesn't mean we believe in lies, no matter how comfy they make us.

mrZENographer:


It's true the word Trinity is not in the bible but the definitions of it are in many places.
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
There are three that bear witness in Heaven: The Father, The Word and The Holy ghost. These three are one. 1 John 5:7
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1
I proceeded forth and came out from God. John 16:28
etc etc

Also similar is the word 'RAPTURE' which is not in the bible but it's definition or description is almost everywhere in the new testament. 1 thessalonians 4:18.

These are not from the catholics. The catholics have mixed the bible with their traditions like worshipping or praying to Mary, infallibility of pope, praying with rosary( no where are we commanded or given example to do so. This is pagan practise. if you notice, Islam, Hindus, Buddhist also use beads in their pagan prayers.), making and kneeling before graven images is rampant in Catholism. Infact God hates it. Isaiah 45:16,

Isaiah 44:9 'They that make a graven image are all of them vanity;...'

There is VAST difference BTW catholic christians and 100% bible christians.

I sense a whole lot of sincerity in what you wrote up here. I must commend you for that, again I see you are so good with your scriptures. Kudos. However, I should point out one or two things from your post.

(1) It can be infered from the passages you quoted above that God is trinity but no where did it ever say so, yet we can believe that if we put a couple of texts together like you have done. As for Catholics, Mary, Pope and paganism, we can still put together one or two passages to get what we want. For instance, if you consider 'confession' as a form of prayer, then the bible actually commanded that you pray to one another etc.

(2) True, the catholic church mixed the bible with their traditions, this is because nothing can survive without traditions. If you see language as tradition, then even the bible and Christianity has been mixed with traditions. If you think Judaism is paganism, my bother even Christianity borrowed pagan practices, think about baptism, old testament, prayers, use of scriptures, prophecy, use of anointing oil etc.

(3) The distinction between catholic christians, 100% bible christians, 50% bible christains, born again christains, non born again christains, baby christains.... is the reason why I created this thread. Who is right and who is wrong? What if I believe that the bible is the word of God simply because my church told me the same way I believed her when she said that Mary is in heaven and that I can pray to her if I wanted to? What if..?

sonOfLucifer:

Doesn't mean we believe in lies, no matter how comfy they make us.

Isn't lie relative?

BTW boss, thanks so much for onyenkuzi.com although I have been unable to open some of the tutorials on python, guess u should look at part 4 and 5. Can't find them again on the archive. Thanks

rejosom:


I sense a whole lot of sincerity in what you wrote up here. I must commend you for that, again I see you are so good with your scriptures. Kudos. However, I should point out one or two things from your post.

(1) It can be infered from the passages you quoted above that God is trinity but no where did it ever say so, yet we can believe that if we put a couple of texts together like you have done. As for Catholics, Mary, Pope and paganism, we can still put together one or two passages to get what we want. For instance, if you consider 'confession' as a form of prayer, then the bible actually commanded that you pray to one another etc.

(2) True, the catholic church mixed the bible with their traditions, this is because nothing can survive without traditions. If you see language as tradition, then even the bible and Christianity has been mixed with traditions. If you think Judaism is paganism, my bother even Christianity borrowed pagan practices, think about baptism, old testament, prayers, use of scriptures, prophecy, use of anointing oil etc.

(3) The distinction between catholic christians, 100% bible christians, 50% bible christains, born again christains, non born again christains, baby christains.... is the reason why I created this thread. Who is right and who is wrong? What if I believe that the bible is the word of God simply because my church told me the same way I believed her when she said that Mary is in heaven and that I can pray to her if I wanted to? What if..?

1) No where in the bible does a saint pray to Mary
2) No where does the bible say we pray to one another. It's pray 'one FOR another.'
3) Nowhere are we admonished in the bible to pray with rosaries. But the bible admonishes us to pray lifting up holyhands unto the Lord'.
4) Phillip Ian 4:6 says.'let all your prayers and supplications be made known unto GOD.
5) In the Bible Queen of heaven is mentioned and described as a demon of fornication and wickedness which the Israelites served when they wilfully rebelled against God. I do hear catholics rever Mary as QUEEN of Heaven'.

Saint Mary would be weeping for them. The bible does not backup the aforementioned doctrines of the catholics either as stories or commands.

mrZENographer:


1) No where in the bible does a saint pray to Mary
2) No where does the bible say we pray to one another. It's pray 'one FOR another.'
3) Nowhere are we admonished in the bible to pray with rosaries. But the bible admonishes us to pray lifting up holyhands unto the Lord'.
4) Phillip Ian 4:6 says.'let all your prayers and supplications be made known unto GOD.
5) In the Bible Queen of heaven is mentioned and described as a demon of fornication and wickedness which the Israelites served when they wilfully rebelled against God. I do hear catholics rever Mary as QUEEN of Heaven'.

Saint Mary would be weeping for them. The bible does not backup the aforementioned doctrines of the catholics either as stories or commands.

I can't believe I am going through this cycle again. Well mrZENographer, you deliberately avoided points 2 and 3 of the post you quoted but never mind, that's how we Christians roll. We avoid the tough questions.

(1) True no where did any saint pray to Mary for the same reason why they did not pray to the holy spirit.

(2) Okay, that is true only when we don't regard confession as a form prayer. Because the bible actually said 'confess your sins TO one another'.

(3) The same we were NEVER admonished to pray 'holy ghost fire'.

(4) Exactly, except maybe when you are sick and want to take your problems to bother the elders of the church when you can easily pray to God.

(5) Yes my brother, the catholic church call Mary Queen of heaven. The are damn wrong the same way they err when they call Jesus King of Kings (a title used for a wicked and demonic king) and even calling Jesus morning star imagine using the same title for both our Lord and Lucifer.

You see Jesus must really be weeping for the as well. But that is exactly my point. What do I believe?

rejosom:


Isn't lie relative?

BTW boss, thanks so much for onyenkuzi.com although I have been unable to open some of the tutorials on python, guess u should look at part 4 and 5. Can't find them again on the archive. Thanks

I'll update this weekend..been really busy. Thanks for following.

rejosom:


The bold is seems logically true..... but if everything is an illusion, What then are we doing here? Why is it that some things appear to us to be more real than others?

We don't know why we are here, perhaps we can never know. Why do we even bother about why we are here. Why must we have a reason to be here?
Even all religious explanations as to why we are here is flawed. Being here just to worship a creator is as good as being here to eat. It makes no sense. Even God makes no sense.
Somethings are illusion, somethings are clear others are not. The brain is there for a reason, if you don't use it wisely, u will use it foolishly.

sonOfLucifer:

I'll update this weekend..been really busy. Thanks for following.

Thanks boss.

frank317:


We don't know why we are here, perhaps we can never know. Why do we even bother about why we are here. Why must we have a reason to be here?
Even all religious explanations as to why we are here is flawed. Being here just to worship a creator is as good as being here to eat. It makes no sense. Even God makes no sense.
Somethings are illusion, somethings are clear others are not. The brain is there for a reason, if you don't use it wisely, u will use it foolishly.

I am a religious person but I have never believed that I am here just to worship my creator. I don't believe I have a predestined purpose, I choose my purpose and I pray and work to achieve it. But be that as it may there still gonna be an explanation somewhere and somehow and this is where religion comes in. I agree with you, some religious explanations tend to become obsolete with changing times, they change, religion itself is dynamic. Why bother you ask, well, life will be as boring as bore if there we did not keep ourselves busy searching for why we are here and maybe someday man will know.

rejosom:


I can't believe I am going through this cycle again. Well mrZENographer, you deliberately avoided points 2 and 3 of the post you quoted but never mind, that's how we Christians roll. We avoid the tough questions.

(1) True no where did any saint pray to Mary for the same reason why they did not pray to the holy spirit.

(2) Okay, that is true only when we don't regard confession as a form prayer. Because the bible actually said 'confess your sins TO one another'.

(3) The same we were NEVER admonished to pray 'holy ghost fire'.

(4) Exactly, except maybe when you are sick and want to take your problems to bother the elders of the church when you can easily pray to God.

(5) Yes my brother, the catholic church call Mary Queen of heaven. The are damn wrong the same way they err when they call Jesus King of Kings (a title used for a wicked and demonic king) and even calling Jesus morning star imagine using the same title for both our Lord and Lucifer.

You see Jesus must really be weeping for the as well. But that is exactly my point. What do I believe?

1)Jesus said when he is gone the Holyspirit will teach and give us all things. Gal 5 22 talks about the gift of the Holy ghost. In the book of acts, corlenius while they were praying the Holy ghost came upon them and they spoke in tongues and loved another. We cannot do the will of God without the Holyspirit. Jesus said we must be born if the spirit if we are to enter the kingdom of God. Definitely we can pray to the Holy ghost to teach and direct us in all things. That's his work and is 100% bible doctrine.

2) If is not yes. Confession is restitution. We can tell others the evil we did. The bible said we should not hide our sins. Confession makes you more humble. Confess NOT pray to another.

3) In 1 corthinas 10:3 Bible says we wrestle not against flesh but principalities and powers. Elijah called down fire from heaven to destroy enemies. We know that God is a consuming fire. Also see psalm 97:3 So we are to use it as an instrument of war against demons. Every weapon you can implore against your enemies should be used. When we pray and sing the power of the Holy ghost comes down, we can also call down fire.

4) Then pray to God. A saint or man of God can also be anointed to pray for others. There are several gifts of the Holyspirit.

5) This one shows you hardly know or open your bible. In the bible Jesus calls himself the King of Kings severally. The bible attribute king of Kings to Jesus because that's what he is. The bible attributes queen of heaven to a demon because that is what it is There is no queen in God's heaven (I. e the third heaven). The saints are neither male or female but are like the angels. SEXLESS. Find that in the book of Matthew. The bible only use the terminology 'bride' and her' which only describes the church which Jesus, the BRIDEGROOM will get married to in the day of rapture of the saints.

b) Jesus calls himself 'the bright and the morning star' Revelations. Lucifer was called son of the morning. Isaiah 42:12

We are all learning. Just be teachable when you perceive the truth.

what i hate most in religion is being close mindedness although logically every human is close minded in some way but some are in the extreme, following whatever they are told to the letter without asking questions. Thanks to the op for allowing his God giving rational ability to come into play in one of the things he has been taught and am convinced that some how you will come to a conclusion.

having considered Christianity and all the practices thereof, i have to believe the words of the great scientist Sir Isaac Newton who wrote and said

" by exercising the love of God and the passionate pursuit of truth,anyone one of us can join the rank of the elect"

doing this is what it means to be a christian. any other thing that people do in the name of Christianity is just secondary.praying through marry, speaking in tongues, giving tithes and offering, going to church everyday of your life is all good when done in good conscience but it pales in comparison to the unwavering love of God and the passionate pursuit of truth.

rejosom:


I am a religious person but I have never believed that I am here just to worship my creator. I don't believe I have a predestined purpose, I choose my purpose and I pray and work to achieve it. But be that as it may there still gonna be an explanation somewhere and somehow and this is where religion comes in. I agree with you, some religious explanations tend to become obsolete with changing times, they change, religion itself is dynamic. Why bother you ask, well, life will be as boring as bore if there we did not keep ourselves busy searching for why we are here and maybe someday man will know.

Searching for the truth is one thing, making up mythical stories is another.

A lot of people have come and gone, trust me, if knowing why we are here is that necessary, our forefathers would have known before they died.
People lived and die without out knowing, why bother urself? I am almost sure there is not reason why we are here. Life is meaningless, just make sense of what u can grasp and move on.

rejosom:


Thanks boss.

Did a redesign and restructured the lessons. You can go through it. I'll add more lessons tomorrow or Tuesday. There'll be lots of exercises too for practice.

Sugarhugs, before you give up on learning programming, try this.
http://onyenkuzi.com/learn-python/#py/

sonOfLucifer:

Did a redesign and restructured the lessons. You can go through it. I'll add more lessons tomorrow or Tuesday. There'll be lots of exercises too for practice.

Sugarhugs, before you give up on learning programming, try this.
http://onyenkuzi.com/learn-python/#py/

Looooolz I still they learn HTML ooooo I no give up, I just they busy and still on HTML gradually entering CSS but I will read the stuff anyway

Sugarhugs:


Looooolz I still they learn HTML ooooo I no give up, I just they busy and still on HTML gradually entering CSS but I will read the stuff anyway

naiz.. i wan start html course. let me know how it's going.

sonOfLucifer:

naiz.. i wan start html course. let me know how it's going.

Okay, it is going fine, quite easy though, just need to dedicate time for it

mrZENographer:


1)Jesus said when he is gone the Holyspirit will teach and give us all things. Gal 5 22 talks about the gift of the Holy ghost. In the book of acts, corlenius while they were praying the Holy ghost came upon them and they spoke in tongues and loved another. We cannot do the will of God without the Holyspirit. Jesus said we must be born if the spirit if we are to enter the kingdom of God. Definitely we can pray to the Holy ghost to teach and direct us in all things. That's his work and is 100% bible doctrine.

2) If is not yes. Confession is restitution. We can tell others the evil we did. The bible said we should not hide our sins. Confession makes you more humble. Confess NOT pray to another.

3) In 1 corthinas 10:3 Bible says we wrestle not against flesh but principalities and powers. Elijah called down fire from heaven to destroy enemies. We know that God is a consuming fire. Also see psalm 97:3 So we are to use it as an instrument of war against demons. Every weapon you can implore against your enemies should be used. When we pray and sing the power of the Holy ghost comes down, we can also call down fire.

4) Then pray to God. A saint or man of God can also be anointed to pray for others. There are several gifts of the Holyspirit.

5) This one shows you hardly know or open your bible. In the bible Jesus calls himself the King of Kings severally. The bible attribute king of Kings to Jesus because that's what he is. The bible attributes queen of heaven to a demon because that is what it is There is no queen in God's heaven (I. e the third heaven). The saints are neither male or female but are like the angels. SEXLESS. Find that in the book of Matthew. The bible only use the terminology 'bride' and her' which only describes the church which Jesus, the BRIDEGROOM will get married to in the day of rapture of the saints.

b) Jesus calls himself 'the bright and the morning star' Revelations. Lucifer was called son of the morning. Isaiah 42:12

We are all learning. Just be teachable when you perceive the truth.

Thanks once again for keeping it as civil as possible even though we are missing the point of the thread by this but for the sake of truth I will answer you.

(1) You did not tell me where any saint (as you put it) in the bible prayed TO the holy spirit. All what you said is true as far as I know but can you point out half a passage in the bible where we are asked to pray TO the holy spirit?

(2) "I confess TO you O lord my God for all my shortcomings". Is this prayer? or restitution? or just confession? or all of the above?

(3) I am very sure it is okay to pray holy ghost fire!!!!!! but you skipped my question and went on to answer your own questions. Can you show me where we were commanded by God to pray "HOLY GHOST FIRE!!!? That's all I asked not the importance. Try to keep it simple next time.

(4) Yeah pray to God, why bother your pastors, saints or men of God? why ask brethren to pray for you when you have direct link to God? That will be undermining the power of God in you, don't you know you are a saint, a priest, a prophet, a man of God? NEVER DO THAT BROTHER. Always pray alone.

(5) I think you are right here, I hardly know or open my bible so I am gonna learn a lot from you today as you know your bible 100%.
I might not know my bible, but I know it well enough to notice that God himself called King Nebuchadnezzar king of kings in Ez. 26:7 and you have confirmed that the same title can be used for Jesus.

Sugarhugs:


Okay, it is going fine, quite easy though, just need to dedicate time for it

That's cool. Go through the site. I'll appreciate your comments.

rejosom:


Thanks once again for keeping it as civil as possible even though we are missing the point of the thread by this but for the sake of truth I will answer you.

(1) You did not tell me where any saint (as you put it) in the bible prayed TO the holy spirit. All what you said is true as far as I know but can you point out half a passage in the bible where we are asked to pray TO the holy spirit?

(2) "I confess TO you O lord my God for all my shortcomings". Is this prayer? or restitution? or just confession? or all of the above?

(3) I am very sure it is okay to pray holy ghost fire!!!!!! but you skipped my question and went on to answer your own questions. Can you show me where we were commanded by God to pray "HOLY GHOST FIRE!!!? That's all I asked not the importance. Try to keep it simple next time.

(4) Yeah pray to God, why bother your pastors, saints or men of God? why ask brethren to pray for you when you have direct link to God? That will be undermining the power of God in you, don't you know you are a saint, a priest, a prophet, a man of God? NEVER DO THAT BROTHER. Always pray alone.

(5) I think you are right here, I hardly know or open my bible so I am gonna learn a lot from you today as you know your bible 100%.
I might not know my bible, but I know it well enough to notice that God himself called King Nebuchadnezzar king of kings in Ez. 26:7 and you have confirmed that the same title can be used for Jesus.

From your replies I see your not ready to learn and just like chatting. Am not going to waste my pearls. But be rest assured that all that worship, pray to Mary, make and pray with graven images, objects are idolatrous. And the idolatrous shall not see the kingdom of God.

Today Nebuchadnezzar is not king of Kings. Jesus had not been birthed yet. And the bible prophesied "A child shall be born. he shall be called wonderful, the mighty God, counsellor, and of the increase of his government and peace THERE SHALL BE NO END.' Isaiah 9:6. Nebuchadnezzar is dead. Jesus came and is alive forever. The messaih. Jesus calls himself the King of Kings. Revelations 19:16, Rev 17,14
And see how you're answering my question like as if I said and not that it is clearly written.

Holyghost/Holyspirit is God. Just as my spirit is me.

see mind yourself. I won't reply you again.

mrZENographer:



From your replies I see your not ready to learn and just like chatting. Am not going to waste my pearls. But be rest assured that all that worship, pray to Mary, make and pray with graven images, objects are idolatrous. And the idolatrous shall not see the kingdom of God.

Today Nebuchadnezzar is not king of Kings. Jesus had not been birthed yet. And the bible prophesied "A child shall be born. he shall be called wonderful, the mighty God, counsellor, and of the increase of his government and peace THERE SHALL BE NO END.' Isaiah 9:6. Nebuchadnezzar is dead. Jesus came and is alive forever. The messaih. Jesus calls himself the King of Kings. Revelations 19:16, Rev 17,14
And see how you're answering my question like as if I said and not that it is clearly written.

Holyghost/Holyspirit is God. Just as my spirit is me.

see mind yourself. I won't reply you again.

Fair enough.

frank317:


Searching for the truth is one thing, making up mythical stories is another.

A lot of people have come and gone, trust me, if knowing why we are here is that necessary, our forefathers would have known before they died.
People lived and die without out knowing, why bother urself? I am almost sure there is not reason why we are here. Life is meaningless, just make sense of what u can grasp and move on.

You can view those seemingly mythical stories as the hypothesis with which we work. All should be open to test.

Life itself might be meaningless but it is our duty to make meaning of it.