This writeup is a response to seun osewa's How Modern Miracle Evangelism Works (Video) - Religion https://www.nairaland.com/3156036/how-modern-miracle-evangelism-works#46412214

I finally got conclusion that seun was originally a christian who left christianity a long while ago https://www.nairaland.com/3181943/whats-proper-punishment-muslim-apostate#46819771

An Ode to the one called God
In the movie 'Kill Bill' Hantorio Hanzo told the character played by Umar Thurman 'If you meet god on your way this sword will cut god'. A korean movie goes by the title 'A man called god'. In asian beliefs a human can become a god (emphasis small g) by doing special above normal human activities such as a Mitsurugi (hand of god) who displays god-like swiftness in the way of the sword. The japanese name for such people is kami (god) while they also admit the existence of a higher character kami-sama (God almighty) who is not meant to be messed with. In all cultures there exist the belief in a higher power that controls the activities of man as well as other unseen powerful entities and his or her or its rule is absolute.

On thing is this this character or being called God is expected to have no rival, should be the first and only of his kind, can do all, knows all, is everywhere and as result any rules given to man by God must be absolute without question else there could be consequesncies which you should keep in mind if you say you believe in this higher power.

Over the millenea there must have been proof that this being exists if so. God must have made himself known to mankind one way or by another and if belief in him is important then everyone should experience that realism of existence. A while ago I asked three of my girlfriends to prove to me the existence of God outside of the bible. One directed me to a christian website, another gave me the birds and trees illustration only to later pull up the anger card when asked for more proof. It is just not enough to say 'a fool says in his heart that there is no God' from specialized scriptures as if God exists it would also be outside your holy book as well in undenyable proof over the years. Actually my question was for their own benefit as I have had my God experiences in such a way that people were amazed and fearful. It is a better walk if you know indeed whom you claim to have faith in and not be pushed by the clergyman over your life and never having your own experience of truth.

Everyone's duty to prove the truth of their beliefs
"If I suddenly wake up and find that you are not there anymore
If I suddenly wake up and find the bible's not true
I'll still believe you Lord
For I have known you
You are my reason for living."

The above song was sang by an enthusiastic lady who would be unwilling to change her views if at the end of the day all she knew to be true was actually a lie. That is exactly why atheists have problem with believers of various faiths. Actually atheists are the world's greatest believers as they accept what they can prove and it would just be so wrong to call them names and all sorts and threathen them with hell or even violence for not believing what even you are having doubts about. What they seek is the truth not some genjutsu covering the eyes from seeing the truth. Tell them your God-story and maybe you might have a listening audience. Show them your lifestyle has been made better by it and they might try to emulate same.

Also if he can do all then I expect all my life's issues to be handled by him whenever I place them before him a physical action called prayer. If for any reason I do not get expected reasult I deserve an answer because I trust him. If over and over I keep getting no answer nor results then he is not useful to me nor do I need him especially if he was packaged to me and I never knew him. Guess that would have made me a fool for a while but being a fool forever is now my own decision to make. If on the other hand he is known by me and has proven himself as being capable as well as gives accurate answers whenever my requests are being delayed or rejected then I accept him as true and keep his laws as absolute. e.g We just ended a period of fast and many muslim faithfuls have kept away from many vices in obedience but if those vices are absolute rejections by God then they should keep their new habbits wether there is a fast or not and not be hypocrites.

Lastly let all do what keeps them sane, happy, a better person and neighbour as well as fulfilled in life.

Wishing you well - Teemy

Dear Teemy, do you know humans are higher animals?!

Ofemmanu1:
Dear Teemy, do you know humans are higher animals?!

I think my biology teacher first said so. wink*

teemy:

I think my biology teacher first said so. wink*

Oh well, then i assume you post should be addressed to the lower animal kingdom.
It doesn't belong here cos humans are being of emotions.
I'm a Biologist tho.

Ofemmanu1:

Oh well, then i assume you post should be addressed to the lower animal kingdom.
It doesn't belong here cos humans are being of emotions.
I'm a Biologist tho.

Are you an atheist, a proud one?

teemy:
Are you an atheist, a proud one?

I used to be that but i've repented! I'm a child of God.

Ofemmanu1:

I used to be that but i've repented!
I'm a child of God.

tell me your story, what changed?

teemy:

tell me your story, what changed?

Everything changed since i studied the reproduction patterns of a fish "Tilapia spp".

Ofemmanu1:

Everything changed since i studied the reproduction patterns of a fish "Tilapia spp".

googling it now, guess that was your jonah's whale. lolz

teemy:

googling it now, guess that was your jonah's whale. lolz

You can also read about the bombadier beetle. When you are done you will know that Someone higher (God) was responsible for a perfect design and purpose.

Ofemmanu1 you can help him understand some terminologies he finds hard.

teemy:

googling it now, guess that was your jonah's whale. lolz

Jonah's whale? Lolz!
Meanwhile, don't you think the Jonah's exodus is phenomenal?
Your Jonah's whale is lurking.

4evergod2:


You can also read about the bombadier beetle. When you are done you will know that Someone higher (God) was responsible for a perfect design and purpose.

Ofemmanu1 you can help him understand some terminologies he finds hard.

I really appreciate the way this thread is flowing and especially that proofs are being done using science for that matter (though your stories are not yet complete sha). funny i googled 'how tilapia spp made an atheist believe' and found this particlar thread sitting as first listed on first page on google. seems nairaland is well indexed and regularly google-botted.

Ofemmanu1:

Jonah's whale? Lolz!
Meanwhile, don't you think the Jonah's exodus is phenomenal?
Your Jonah's whale is lurking.

Reminds me of the book 'the gods are not to blame' and kungfu panda's master tortoise's statement that one often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.

4evergod2:


You can also read about the bombadier beetle. When you are done you will know that Someone higher (God) was responsible for a perfect design and purpose.

Ofemmanu1 you can help him understand some terminologies he finds hard.

Hopefully sir!

teemy:

Reminds me of the book 'the gods are not to blame' and kungfu panda's master tortoise's statement that one often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.

Yes, youre right!
We've seen thousand of quotes atheists.
Quotes like;
"There's no where you can be, that isn't where youre meant to be"

teemy:

Reminds me of the book 'the gods are not to blame' and kungfu panda's master tortoise's statement that one often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.

Yes, youre right!
We've seen thousand of quotes from repented atheists.
Quotes like;
"There's no where you can be, that isn't where youre meant to be" ~John Lennon.
"When it comes to life, we spin our own yarn and where we end up is really infact, where we always intended to be" ~Julia Glass.
However, the saying "One may get lost in order to find oneself"
described me!
It's working for you too.
Youre in transition bro.

Ofemmanu1:

Yes, youre right!
We've seen thousand of quotes from repented atheists.
Quotes like;
"There's no where you can be, that isn't where youre meant to be" ~John Lennon.
"When it comes to life, we spin our own yarn and where we end up is really infact, where we always intended to be" ~Julia Glass.
However, the saying "One may get lost in order to find oneself"
described me!
It's working for you too.
Youre in transition bro.

lolz, I was never an atheist else I would not have been the one to write this 'Answers To Supersuave's 30 Pairs Of Bible Verses That Contradict One Another - Religion - Nairaland' https://www.nairaland.com/2478375/answers-supersuaves-30-pairs-bible

Creating this thread was just to let 'believers' change on their approach in affirming their faiths to atheists on a mutual ground without resorting to things like name calling or even violence. It also affords the atheist to make that call to whomever is the almighty to prove 'himself' and show his realism.

teemy:

lolz, I was never an atheist else I would not have been the one to write this 'Answers To Supersuave's 30 Pairs Of Bible Verses That Contradict One Another - Religion - Nairaland' https://www.nairaland.com/2478375/answers-supersuaves-30-pairs-bible

Creating this thread was just to let 'believers' change on their approach in affirming their faiths to atheists on a mutual ground without resorting to things like name calling or even violence. It also affords the atheist to make that call to whomever is the almighty to prove 'himself' and show his realism.

Name calling is synonymous to humans, names from; Agbero, flat.head, gworo basterrd, daura cow, liar mohd, amala monster, biabia, kafir, fool, olodo, apshit, mumu and etc..
Humans use names to tag e.g if i call you a zombie, that means youre an asslicker to a certain daura cow.
And that doesn't mean it's the end of the world.
So, calling atheists; Lazylots, fools, mofos, slowpokes, evo-monkeys, dumbos, st.upid, ugly, basterrrds etc shouldn't pinch you.
It's really where you belong you'd be tagged.

4evergod2:


You can also read about the bombadier beetle. When you are done you will know that Someone higher (God) was responsible for a perfect design and purpose.

Ofemmanu1 you can help him understand some terminologies he finds hard.

Since this infallible logic of yours says that the bombardier beetle couldn't have come by evolution or chance, it would've been created and designed (pick one or both)

It means whoever designed or created it can't come by chance either and the infinite regress sets in

If that creator can come about on its own, then the bombardier beetle can come about on its own

I know this doesn't make sense to a theist or creationist

But that's how your logic also does to us

Understand both

hopefulLandlord:


Since this infallible logic of yours says that the bombardier beetle couldn't have come by evolution or chance, it would've been created and designed (pick one or both)

It means whoever designed or created it can't come by chance either and the infinite regress sets in

If that creator can come about on its own, then the bombardier beetle can come about on its own

I know this doesn't make sense to a theist or creationist

But that's how your logic also does to us

Understand both

Wtf!
Smh.

Ofemmanu1:

Wtf!
Smh.

Exact effect your post had on me too

hopefulLandlord:

Exact effect your post had on me too

That's a subtle art.. .."the mirror effect" buh there's hope bro, HE is able, HE can heal you of this illusory paranoia.

Ofemmanu1:

That's a subtle art..
.."the mirror effect"
buh there's hope bro, HE is able, HE can heal you of this illusory paranoia.

Can you now see why its hard for guys like you to convert atheists to theists? You're now putting jibes into this

You need to understand us first. Your failure to do so is why theists are becoming athiets on Nairaland on daily basis

hopefulLandlord:


Can you now see why its hard for guys like you to convert atheists to theists? You're now putting jibes into this

You need to understand us first. Your failure to do so is why theists are becoming athiets on Nairaland on daily basis

Now i know better..

i see on biggie in being called what i exactly am and if the description is incorrect i should help in correcting the name caller. however, not all would react peacably in such cases and as christians we are admonished to not namecall others.

4evergod2:


You can also read about the bombadier beetle. When you are done you will know that Someone higher (God) was responsible for a perfect design and purpose.

Ofemmanu1 you can help him understand some terminologies he finds hard.

a step-by-step evolution of the bombardier system is really not that hard to envision. The scenario below shows a possible step-by-step evolution of the bombardier beetle mechanism from a primitive arthropod.

1.Quinones are produced by epidermal cells for tanning the cuticle. This exists commonly in arthropods.

2.Some of the quinones don't get used up, but sit on the epidermis, making the arthropod distasteful. (Quinones are used as defensive secretions in a variety of modern arthropods, from beetles to millipedes.)

3.Small invaginations develop in the epidermis between sclerites (plates of cuticle). By wiggling, the insect can squeeze more quinones onto its surface when they're needed.

4.The invaginations deepen. Muscles are moved around slightly, allowing them to help expel the quinones from some of them. (Many ants have glands similar to this near the end of their abdomen. [Holldobler & Wilson, 1990, pp. 233-237])

5.A couple invaginations (now reservoirs) become so deep that the others are inconsequential by comparison. Those gradually revert to the original epidermis.

6.In various insects, different defensive chemicals besides quinones appear. (See Eisner, 1970, for a review.) This helps those insects defend against predators which have evolved resistance to quinones. One of the new defensive chemicals is hydroquinone.

7.Cells that secrete the hydroquinones develop in multiple layers over part of the reservoir, allowing more hydroquinones to be produced. Channels between cells allow hydroquinones from all layers to reach the reservior.

8.The channels become a duct, specialized for transporting the chemicals. The secretory cells withdraw from the reservoir surface, ultimately becoming a separate organ.
This stage -- secretory glands connected by ducts to reservoirs -- exists in many beetles. The particular configuration of glands and reservoirs that bombardier beetles have is common to the other beetles in their suborder. [Forsyth, 1970]

9.Muscles adapt which close off the reservior, thus preventing the chemicals from leaking out when they're not needed.

10.Hydrogen peroxide, which is a common by-product of cellular metabolism, becomes mixed with the hydroquinones. The two react slowly, so a mixture of quinones and hydroquinones get used for defense.

11.Cells secreting a small amount of catalases and peroxidases appear along the output passage of the reservoir, outside the valve which closes it off from the outside. These ensure that more quinones appear in the defensive secretions. Catalases exist in almost all cells, and peroxidases are also common in plants, animals, and bacteria, so those chemicals needn't be developed from scratch but merely concentrated in one location.

12.More catalases and peroxidases are produced, so the discharge is warmer and is expelled faster by the oxygen generated by the reaction. The beetle Metrius contractus provides an example of a bombardier beetle which produces a foamy discharge, not jets, from its reaction chambers. The bubbling of the foam produces a fine mist. [Eisner et al., 2000]

13.The walls of that part of the output passage become firmer, allowing them to better withstand the heat and pressure generated by the reaction.

14.Still more catalases and peroxidases are produced, and the walls toughen and shape into a reaction chamber. Gradually they become the mechanism of today's bombardier beetles.

15.The tip of the beetle's abdomen becomes somewhat elongated and more flexible, allowing the beetle to aim its discharge in various directions.



Note that all of the steps above are small or can easily be broken down into smaller steps. The bombardier beetles' mechanism can come about solely by accumulated microevolution. Furthermore, all of the steps are probably advantageous, so they would be selected. No improbable events are needed. As noted, several of the intermediate stages are known to be viable by the fact that they exist in living populations.
The scenario above is hypothetical; the actual evolution of bombardier beetles probably did not happen exactly like that. The steps are presented sequentially for clarity, but they needn't have occurred in exactly the order given.


Source: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

donnffd:



a step-by-step evolution of the bombardier system is really not that hard to envision. The scenario below shows a possible step-by-step evolution of the bombardier beetle mechanism from a primitive arthropod.

1.Quinones are produced by epidermal cells for tanning the cuticle. This exists commonly in arthropods.

2.Some of the quinones don't get used up, but sit on the epidermis, making the arthropod distasteful. (Quinones are used as defensive secretions in a variety of modern arthropods, from beetles to millipedes.)

3.Small invaginations develop in the epidermis between sclerites (plates of cuticle). By wiggling, the insect can squeeze more quinones onto its surface when they're needed.

4.The invaginations deepen. Muscles are moved around slightly, allowing them to help expel the quinones from some of them. (Many ants have glands similar to this near the end of their abdomen. [Holldobler & Wilson, 1990, pp. 233-237])

5.A couple invaginations (now reservoirs) become so deep that the others are inconsequential by comparison. Those gradually revert to the original epidermis.

6.In various insects, different defensive chemicals besides quinones appear. (See Eisner, 1970, for a review.) This helps those insects defend against predators which have evolved resistance to quinones. One of the new defensive chemicals is hydroquinone.

7.Cells that secrete the hydroquinones develop in multiple layers over part of the reservoir, allowing more hydroquinones to be produced. Channels between cells allow hydroquinones from all layers to reach the reservior.

8.The channels become a duct, specialized for transporting the chemicals. The secretory cells withdraw from the reservoir surface, ultimately becoming a separate organ.
This stage -- secretory glands connected by ducts to reservoirs -- exists in many beetles. The particular configuration of glands and reservoirs that bombardier beetles have is common to the other beetles in their suborder. [Forsyth, 1970]

9.Muscles adapt which close off the reservior, thus preventing the chemicals from leaking out when they're not needed.

10.Hydrogen peroxide, which is a common by-product of cellular metabolism, becomes mixed with the hydroquinones. The two react slowly, so a mixture of quinones and hydroquinones get used for defense.

11.Cells secreting a small amount of catalases and peroxidases appear along the output passage of the reservoir, outside the valve which closes it off from the outside. These ensure that more quinones appear in the defensive secretions. Catalases exist in almost all cells, and peroxidases are also common in plants, animals, and bacteria, so those chemicals needn't be developed from scratch but merely concentrated in one location.

12.More catalases and peroxidases are produced, so the discharge is warmer and is expelled faster by the oxygen generated by the reaction. The beetle Metrius contractus provides an example of a bombardier beetle which produces a foamy discharge, not jets, from its reaction chambers. The bubbling of the foam produces a fine mist. [Eisner et al., 2000]

13.The walls of that part of the output passage become firmer, allowing them to better withstand the heat and pressure generated by the reaction.

14.Still more catalases and peroxidases are produced, and the walls toughen and shape into a reaction chamber. Gradually they become the mechanism of today's bombardier beetles.

15.The tip of the beetle's abdomen becomes somewhat elongated and more flexible, allowing the beetle to aim its discharge in various directions.



Note that all of the steps above are small or can easily be broken down into smaller steps. The bombardier beetles' mechanism can come about solely by accumulated microevolution. Furthermore, all of the steps are probably advantageous, so they would be selected. No improbable events are needed. As noted, several of the intermediate stages are known to be viable by the fact that they exist in living populations.
The scenario above is hypothetical; the actual evolution of bombardier beetles probably did not happen exactly like that. The steps are presented sequentially for clarity, but they needn't have occurred in exactly the order given.


Source: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

I don't think you did physics or chemistry while in school and if you did you obviously did not pay attention otherwise you wouldnt have posted the ignorance you did up there.

If supposedly super intelligent scientists would employ the use of multi million dollar equipment to study such a tiny creature and are yet left confused who then is smarter the insect or the scientist?

hopefulLandlord:

Exact effect your post had on me too

Hey, howdy!? I just wanna say hi. Have a great day ahead. ;-)

Ofemmanu1 to be honest you guys still posted the 'birds and trees' theorem with the bombardier beetle and tilapia explanations. I wish you could tell a story that moves. y'know