My biggest problem with the Christianity was  that they  have a god who creates  an imperfect creation  and then expects that creation to  live up to his standards. Failure to live up to his standards will result in eternal damnation ! Truth be told there isn't one  redeeming feature in Christianity.

I really don't know why people love coming to nairaland to display their stupidity[maybe it is because of the annonymous nature] but does the above post make any sense at all?

It makes sense. Why did God punish Adam Eve ? If he is all knowing and loving how come he didn't prevent Adam and Eve's fall from grace?

Atheists:

My biggest problem with the Christianity was  that they  have a god who creates  an imperfect creation  and then expects that creation to  live up to his standards. Failure to live up to his standards will result in eternal damnation ! Truth be told there isn't one  redeeming feature in Christianity.

Hello,

Can you tell us a bit more about your conversion from supernaturalism and irrationality.

Here we go!

I am not a good writer but l will try my best. I was raised in an extremely religious family and my father is an Anglican priest. At around 15 l began a pentecostal after attending one of the miracle crusades. So l began to speak in tongues and do all those funny things which come with being a pentecostal.  My path to being a free thinker started when l came to Canada. My father as a black priest could not get a job because of blatant racism within the church. He worked part time at the theological college which trained  Anglican   priests in Toronto but what amazed me was  that the  students he trained would get  full time jobs within the diocese whilst he was denied one. I failed to understand  that if God  does exist then why does he turn a blind eye to the racism and corruption which is rampant within the  church.

My other problem was with the pentecostal church which l attended in Toronto. These guys claimed to have the holy spirit but their behavior said otherwise. First of all their miracles were dubious and they abused the church funds in a blatant and disgusting manner . Again this made me wonder that if God truly  existed then his nonchalant attitude towards dealing with  charlatans deceiving innocent people with his name spoke volumes.  

During the summer of 2006 l decided to read the bible from Genesis to Revelation going through each book with a fine comb.It is during this time that l became convinced that the bible was not the word of God. The old testament was full of cruelty and injustices whilst the new testament was riddled with contradictions. I also looked at the ten commandments and analyzed them one by one and came to a conclusion that these were the laws of iron age ignoramuses  not god. I could not understand how god would give more importance to the Sabbath in his commandments whilst he never mentions anything about  slavery, women rights and human rights in his commandments. At this stage l became a skeptic and l was on an irreversible path to atheism and secular humanism. The final nail in the coffin was the problem of evil. I couldn't understand how a benevolent , omniscient and omnipotent god would allow evil to exist.

By the end of 2006 l was an atheist but l haven't come out of the closet to my family or close friends. My mom will be emotionally devastated and as for my friends they will desert me.

There is a lot I could tell you. Not to convince you, but to confirm a lot you have said. However we are on an open thread and this is (to me) much too serious an issue to be discussed in a market place (NL).
All your questions are not based on the existence of God, but on man's faults. Creation is perfect, man alone is imperfect. Hasnt this ever made you wonder

Rosabelle:

There is a lot I could tell you. Not to convince you, but to confirm a lot you have said. However we are on an open thread and this is (to me) much too serious an issue to be discussed in a market place (NL).
Im putting up an email address for a minute and then I'l delete it. Contact me on it and we'l mail back and forth in peace.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
All your questions are not based on the existence of God, but on man's faults. Creation is perfect, man alone is impefect. Hasnt this ever made you wonder

Why don't you want to discuss it here?   Evangelists discuss their views in public all the time - why couldn't you?

@Huxley. Could you kindly edit my quotation and take out the part where I inserted an email number (I edited my post as well). I put up the email just for the poster and wouldnt want just anyone mailing me there.
Would be very kind of you. Thanks

Rosabelle:

@Huxley. Could you kindly edit my quotation and take out the part where I inserted an email number (I edited my post as well). I put up the email just for the poster and wouldnt want just anyone mailing me there.
Would be very kind of you. Thanks

Done

na wa for this muslim mujahideen o , if you r not afraid and ashamed of your islamic religion and prophet mohammad,then dont hide behind another username and pretend as if you r an atheist to throw the scent of you and avoid answering the many contradictiopns and lies upon lies in the quran, you dont see us hiding behind multiple usernames do you.

your very first post gave you away, an atheist will not hang on to one single point especially trinity,the issue you have raised has been the sore point with islam and the adherents,and you have betrayed yourself with that

@poster, theres alot i cud say.bt i want u to understnd dat God made a perfect creation,it ws adam's sin dat makes ppl suffer today.for dat reason, he sent his ONLY son 2die for ALL-xtians,muslims,pagans,atheists n all.God did nt discriminate.dnt let d present situation discourage u,d answer is wit Him who u'v neglectd.am goin thru alot rite nw,in fact way worse than wat u'v complaind of,bt if i leave,whr do i turn,whose face do i luk at?d devil's?God forbid!d issue of people not being faithful in d church n all is their problem.salvation is personal.on d last day,they'l answer to God.so dnt let their acts worry or discourage u,its ur relatnshp with God that makes u xtian,nt sumone else's around u.ur focus shud b ur relatnshp wit Him n nt someone else's wit Him.i wud also say that ur letting d devil put funny thngs into ur heart.resist him n dnt let him have his way wit u.if God didnt love u,u wuldnt be where u are today.he is ur creator n u owe him ur existence.he wudnt accept anythng less than good cos he's a righteous God n cnt behold sin.i wud like2hear frm u again.if u want me2contact u,drp u mail addy.remember,GOD is the answer to all issues of life u might have to answer.so much love.

GODSON2009:


na wa for this muslim mujahideen o , if you r not afraid and ashamed of your islamic religion and prophet mohammad,then dont hide behind another username and pretend as if you r an atheist to throw the scent of you and avoid answering the many contradictiopns and lies upon lies in the quran, you dont see us hiding behind multiple usernames do you.

your very first post gave you away, an atheist will not hang on to one single point especially trinity,the issue you have raised has been the sore point with islam and the adherents,and you have betrayed yourself with that

Do you have tangible evidence?

Rosabelle:

There is a lot I could tell you. Not to convince you, but to confirm a lot you have said. However we are on an open thread and this is (to me) much too serious an issue to be discussed in a market place (NL).
All your questions are not based on the existence of God, but on man's faults. Creation is perfect, man alone is imperfect. Hasnt this ever made you wonder

isn't man God's creation?

Khemmi:

@poster, theres alot i cud say.bt i want u to understnd dat God made a perfect creation,it ws adam's sin dat makes ppl suffer today.for dat reason, he sent his ONLY son 2die for ALL-xtians,muslims,pagans,atheists n all.God did nt discriminate.dnt let d present situation discourage u,d answer is wit Him who u'v neglectd.am goin thru alot rite nw,in fact way worse than wat u'v complaind of,bt if i leave,whr do i turn,whose face do i luk at?d devil's?God forbid!d issue of people not being faithful in d church n all is their problem.salvation is personal.on d last day,they'l answer to God.so dnt let their acts worry or discourage u,its your relatnshp with God that makes u xtian,nt sumone else's around u.your focus shud b your relatnshp wit Him n nt someone else's wit Him.i wud also say that your letting d devil put funny thngs into your heart.resist him n dnt let him have his way wit u.if God didnt love u,u wuldnt be where u are today.he is your creator n u owe him your existence.he wudnt accept anythng less than good cos he's a righteous God n cnt behold sin.i wud like2hear frm u again.if u want me2contact u,drp u mail addy.remember,GOD is the answer to all issues of life u might have to answer.so much love.

goodness, i can't read shit.

Atheists:

My biggest problem with the Christianity was  that they  have a god who creates  an imperfect creation  and then expects that creation to  live up to his standards. Failure to live up to his standards will result in eternal damnation ! Truth be told there isn't one  redeeming feature in Christianity.

what an amazing quality of IGNORANCE.

Atheists:

I am not a good writer but l will try my best. I was raised in an extremely religious family and my father is an Anglican priest. At around 15 l began a pentecostal after attending one of the miracle crusades. So l began to speak in tongues and do all those funny things which come with being a pentecostal.  My path to being a free thinker started when l came to Canada. My father as a black priest could not get a job because of blatant racism within the church. He worked part time at the theological college which trained  Anglican   priests in Toronto but what amazed me was  that the  students he trained would get  full time jobs within the diocese whilst he was denied one. I failed to understand  that if God  does exist then why does he turn a blind eye to the racism and corruption which is rampant within the  church.

1. So it is God's fault that ur father could not get a job? did ur dad attempt to seek God's opinion? did he seek the counsel of God? when half-baked church goers dont get things their way, they question the legitimacy of God. did God encourage the abusers to be racist?

2. So u became a free thinker cos ur dad had no full-time job? what does "free thinking" entail? denying the existence of God due to irrelevant peccadilloes?

3. what is God supposed to do to a man who chooses to be racist? what did ur dad do about it?

My other problem was with the pentecostal church which l attended in Toronto. These guys claimed to have the holy spirit but their behavior said otherwise. First of all their miracles were dubious and they abused the church funds in a blatant and disgusting manner . Again this made me wonder that if God truly  existed then his nonchalant attitude towards dealing with  charlatans deceiving innocent people with his name spoke volumes.  

1. ur folly is amazing. The problem is not the church. . . .the problem is YOU. worship the father in spirit and in truth and He shall direct ur path. . .let the light in u shine for the world to see. where did u ever read that inactions of the congregation should determine ur faith or belief? were u saved by the church? did the pentecostals die for ur sins? were u baptised in the name of the pentecostals? it is spiritual illiterates like u that make non-christians question the rationality of christianity.

2. what is God' s word concerning such brethren in the church?

During the summer of 2006 l decided to read the bible from Genesis to Revelation going through each book with a fine comb.It is during this time that l became convinced that the bible was not the word of God. The old testament was full of cruelty and injustices whilst the new testament was riddled with contradictions. I also looked at the ten commandments and analyzed them one by one and came to a conclusion that these were the laws of iron age ignoramuses  not god. I could not understand how god would give more importance to the Sabbath in his commandments whilst he never mentions anything about  slavery, women rights and human rights in his commandments. At this stage l became a skeptic and l was on an irreversible path to atheism and secular humanism. The final nail in the coffin was the problem of evil. I couldn't understand how a benevolent , omniscient and omnipotent god would allow evil to exist.

By the end of 2006 l was an atheist but l haven't come out of the closet to my family or close friends. My mom will be emotionally devastated and as for my friends they will desert me.

1. why is the bible not the world of God? what should the word of God look like? what is ur perception of God? what is understanding of God?

2. what are the contradictions in the NT?

3. ur understanding of the OT reflects spiritual immaturity. Simply put urself in the place of the children of Israel. . . . .all that was done for them is ur portion under the new covenant . . . .why is that so hard to understand?

4. has atheism provided a job for ur father?

noetic2:

what an amazing quality of IGNORANCE. 

Don't listen to noetic. . . .him na deluded man. . .

Tudór:

Don't listen to noetic. . . .him na deluded man. . .

always listen to tudor. . . .he lives in constant denial. . , .

Yeah you wish, right?

All your questions are not based on the existence of God, but on man's faults. Creation is perfect, man alone is imperfect. Hasnt this ever made you wonder

How can a perfect creator create an imperfect creation ?

Imperfect humans created an imperfect god.

Atheists:

My biggest problem with the Christianity was  that they  have a god who creates  an imperfect creation  and then expects that creation to  live up to his standards. Failure to live up to his standards will result in eternal damnation ! Truth be told there isn't one  redeeming feature in Christianity.

Truth be told, you are simply one who could not imagine life without sin. The problem had nothing to do with christianity?

Besides what "light" did you claim to see?

Atheists:

It makes sense.  Why did God punish Adam Eve ? If he is all knowing and loving how come he didn't prevent  Adam and Eve's fall from grace?

It only makes "sense" to your fallen desire to continue in sin. Your problem here is that you want to shift the burden for righteous living to God . . . afterall if He's all knowing (which He is irrespective of your own problems) He shld simply prevent you from sinning.

sorry but that is frankly absurd. So shld the board of education simply write the entrance exams for you since they know some will still fail anyway? What is the point of reward then if you expect God to do it all for you?

bottomline . . . you're not an atheist at all because you have NO rational reason to be one. you've simply taken the easier way out . . . since you cant imagine doing without sin you simply latch unto the easiest excuse - oh there cant be God anyway.

MrCrackles:

Poster
What light did u see
PHCN or rechargeable lamp light?

e be like say na [b]torch ligh[/b]t him see 

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davidylan:

It only makes "sense" to your fallen desire to continue in sin. Your problem here is that you want to shift the burden for righteous living to God . . . afterall if He's all knowing (which He is irrespective of your own problems) He shld simply prevent you from sinning.

sorry but that is frankly absurd. So shld the board of education simply write the entrance exams for you since they know some will still fail anyway? [/b]What is the point of reward then if you expect God to do it all for you?

Did the board of education claim to be all merciful, loving, ominipotent and creator of all?
If the EDU board is ominipotent they'll probably know what exactly you need to learn to solve all future problems and cut out the useless bit of info you'll never need to save you the stress.

bottomline . . . [b]you're not an atheist at all because you have NO rational reason to be one. you've simply taken the easier way out . . . since you cant imagine doing without sin you simply latch unto the easiest excuse - oh there cant be God anyway.

It doesn't matter if he became an atheist by smoking marijuana, the important bit is he found the light of TRUTH -which is religion is one big farce!

Tudór:

Did the board of education claim to be all merciful, loving, ominipotent and creator of all?
If the EDU board is ominipotent they'll probably know what exactly you need to learn to solve all future problems and cut out the useless bit of info you'll never need to save you the stress.

This is absurd, you clearly did not understand the analogy. The Board of Education has got the answers to the questions they are asking right? why bother to set the exam then? why not just let the students have the answers instead of condemning a few to failure?

That is precisely what "atheist" wants. It has NOTHING to do with the "nature" of the education board.

Tudór:

It doesn't matter if he became an atheist by smoking marijuana, the important bit is he found the light of TRUTH -which is religion is one big farce!

Read his post, he didnt find any truth . . . he simply got tired of trying to avoid sin and made up a good excuse. Ditto for most of you.

@ poster
u beta trace ur way back

davidylan:

This is absurd, you clearly did not understand the analogy. The Board of Education has got the answers to the questions they are asking right? why bother to set the exam then? why not just let the students have the answers instead of condemning a few to failure?

That is precisely what "atheist" wants. It has NOTHING to do with the "nature" of the education board.

What is absurd is you choosing to make that analogy and sure enough you can't use it without comparing the nature of god and that of the exam board and purpose of both god and the board.
Are you now telling me god is just there to present us with trials and tribulations to know who is worthy?

Read his post, he didnt find any truth . . . he simply got tired of trying to avoid sin and made up a good excuse. Ditto for most of you.

Oh yes he did. He found out organised religion and the gods they propagate are non-existent and that is the truth. Like I said earlier, how he found out is irreleavant.

Tudór:

What is absurd is you choosing to make that analogy and sure enough you can't use it without comparing the nature of god and that of the exam board and purpose of both god and the board.

Are you now telling me god is just there to present us with trials and tribulations to know who is worthy?

This gets even sillier. Put aside your disdain for religion (which is really a disdain for christianity to be honest) and think for once. Saying that God shld simply not allow anyone to fall to temptation is the same thing as saying we shld cancel any form of exams afterall the education board shld simply allow us to walk into school with no need for any form of admission criteria.

Unfortunately for you and the likes of "atheist" . . . the spiritual realm is also a mirror-image of the physical. To get to heaven is NOT by force (which is why i wonder why you guys love to come here lamenting SPECIFICALLY about the christian heaven and not the muslim jaanat) . . . you need to qualify to enter. Just like the board of education gives each student a copy of its syllabus on which exams are based, Christ came on died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sin . . . all he asks is that we trust and obey Him. Very simple but as i said earlier . . . it really isnt by force.

You dont like it, create your own god.

Tudór:

Oh yes he did. He found out organised religion and the gods they propagate are non-existent and that is the truth. Like I said earlier, how he found out is irreleavant.

No he didnt . . . i dont need to start examining his posts with a fine-toothed comb to confirm that to you. He didnt find any truth, like you he simply felt heaven shld be free-for-all with no need for righteous living and Godly obedience.

Tudór:

Oh yes he did. He found out organised religion and the gods they propagate are non-existent and that is the truth. Like I said earlier, how he found out is irreleavant.

How did he prove this? by merely declaring it like you?

You folks are a joke.