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The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 10:31pm On Aug 06, 2016
As a worldview, atheism is intellectually bankrupt and is wrought with philosophical problems. One of the biggest is its lack of ability to account for our own existence.

Okay, so we exist. That's obvious. And though atheists like to tout the evolutionary flag, evolution isn't the issue here. Instead, we need to go way back and ask, where did the universe come from? You see, whatever has come into existence was caused to come into existence by something else. The universe came into existence. So, what caused it to come into existence?

When answering this question, there are only two possibilities to account for the cause of the universe: an impersonal cause and a personal cause. This is an antonymic pair that exhausts all possibilities. It is either one or the other. There is no third option. Let’s first look at the atheist option to explain the universe:.

AN IMPERSONAL CAUSE

If the atheist were to say that the universe brought itself into existence, then that would be illogical since something that does not exist has no nature; and with no nature, there are no attributes; and with no attributes, actions can’t be performed such as bringing itself into existence. So, that doesn’t work.

If the atheist said the universe has always existed, that doesn’t work either because that would mean the universe was infinitely old. If it is infinitely old, then why hasn’t it run out of useable energy by now as the 2nd law of thermodynamics would state. Also, in order to get to the present in an infinitely old universe, an infinite amount of time would have to be crossed. But, it is impossible to cross an infinite amount of time to get to now. These problems would also mean that there could not be an infinite amount of past cycles of the universe where it expands and contracts forever. So, those explanations can’t work

[b]If the atheist says that matter and/or energy have somehow eternally existed before the universe, just in different forms, then the same issue of crossing an infinite amount of time to get to now would negate that idea. But, this explanation would pose yet another problem. If the necessary conditions for the cause of the universe have always existed within the pre-existent matter and energy, then the effect of the universe being formed is a necessary result of that matter and energy; and the universe would have been formed an infinitely long time ago. But this can’t work since it would mean the universe would have already run out of useable energy by now (entropy problem again)--not to mention the perpetual problem of crossing an infinite amount of time to get to now. So, that explanation doesn’t work either.

Okay, so the universe, which is comprised of matter and energy, cannot be infinitely old in its present form or any other form. So, how did it and ultimately we get here? Atheism can’t help us here. So, let’s turn our attention to the other option:[/b]

A PERSONAL CAUSE.

If there is a personal influence, which means a personal being that acted upon the universe, then we have an explanation for the cause of the universe. Let me explain.

A rock doesn't suddenly change from being a rock into say an axe head unless acted upon by something else. For matter and energy to change and form something new, they must be acted upon from the outside. So we must ask what acted upon matter and energy and caused the universe to exist?

Whatever caused the universe existed before the universe. Since the universe had a beginning in time and since matter and energy do not spontaneously change and arrange themselves into something new, then the best explanation for the cause of the universe is an action that was a decision.

In other words, a decision to act at a specific time in the past is the best explanation of the existence of the universe. Of course, we Christians would say this decision was made by a personal being whom we call God.

You see? The atheists have nothing to offer us with the important issue of explaining how we got here. Atheism can’t answer one of the most important philosophical questions pertaining to our own existence. It is deficient and lacking and at best can offer us only ignorance and guesses.

Okay, finally, even though it isn’t necessary, I’ll deal with one of the standard objections atheists have when this topic comes up. What brought God into existence?

[b]The answer is simple. Nothing brought him into existence. He has always existed. He is the uncaused cause. Think about it. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes. It’s like having an infinite line of dominos falling one after another. If you go back infinitely in time to try to find the first domino that started it all, you’d never find it because you’d have to cross an infinite amount of time to get to it which is impossible to do. This would also mean that there you can’t have an infinite regression of causes. Furthermore, this would mean there would never be a first cause. If there is no first cause, then there can’t be a second, or a third, and so on; and you wouldn’t have any of them falling at all. But since they are falling, there had to be a first cause--that itself was uncaused that started the whole thing moving at a specific time in the past. So, too, with the universe. It was caused to exist at a specific point in time. The uncaused cause is God, who decided to create the universe and who, as the Bible says in Psalm 90:2, “is from everlasting to everlasting.”[/b]

https://carm.org/failure-atheism-account-existence

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 7:34am On Aug 07, 2016
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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 7:55am On Aug 07, 2016
You shoot yourself in the foot...

First you say that anything that exists was caused by somethingelse, then you conclude that nothing brought the creator into existence!...really?

So if nothing brought him to existence, then why is it so hard to assume that nothing brought the universe into existence?

Or if you say he has always existed, then why is it hard to assume that the universe has always existed?

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by abduljabbar4(m): 7:58am On Aug 07, 2016
You can't win an argument against an atheist cos he will simply ask you who created God Himself. Just stick to your belief and shut up

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by abduljabbar4(m): 7:59am On Aug 07, 2016
Your explanation even sounds sentimental

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 8:10am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:
You shoot yourself in the foot...

First you say that anything that exists was caused by somethingelse, then you conclude that nothing brought the creator into existence!...really?

So if nothing brought him to existence, then why is it so hard to assume that nothing brought the universe into existence?

Or if you say he has always existed, then why is it hard to assume that the universe has always existed?


Understanding the submitted piece is not rocket science except you deliberately chose to filter out other things and accept the one you are holding onto now for sake of argument.

We can only speak of the universe we are in because it is where we find ourselves so from this side of the universe we can not have access to the side where God may reside.

All of science can only speak of this present universe but nobody can imagine any other realm beyond this because we are not wired to do so except using an extract of the same realm which is our spirit.

God exisits outside our physical universe and cannot be a part of our created universe neither was He created along with our Universe. If perhaps something created Him as you speculate then you cannot prove that to be true simply because He was not a creation of our universe and realm. He existed outside this realm so that is all we know and see.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 8:10am On Aug 07, 2016
abduljabbar4:
You can't win an argument against an atheist cos he will simply ask you who created God Himself. Just stick to your belief and shut up


This isnt an argument. Thank you.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 8:22am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:


God exisits outside our physical universe and cannot be a part of our created universe neither was He created along with our Universe. If perhaps something created Him as you speculate then you cannot prove that to be true simply because He was not a creation of our universe and realm. He existed outside this realm so that is all we know and see.

You keep doin my work for me, your post is talking about our existence, and since from the bolded, the universe is all we know and see, we ask where it comes from.

Now you assuming that it cant be existing forever or it cannot come from nothing but you can say something outside it in which you dont know or havent seen created it!.

how can you know that if you havent left the universe?

how do you know that there are other realms outside this one if this one is the only one you know?

NB: i never said something created god, i said if u assume that nothing created god, then u ar automatically saying that things can be created by nothing, meaning the universe also can be created by nothing.
And if u ar saying god has always existed, then you are automatically saying that things call always be in existence, meaning the universe (which we can see and know of) can also always be in existence.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 8:27am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:


You keep doin my work for me, your post is talking about our existence, and since from the bolded, the universe is all we know and see, we ask where it comes from.

Now you assuming that it cant be existing forever or it cannot come from nothing but you can say something outside it in which you dont know or havent seen created it!.

how can you know that if you havent left the universe?

how do you know that there are other realms outside this one if this one is the only one you know?

NB: i never said something created god, i said if u assume that nothing created god, then u ar automatically saying that things can be created by nothing, meaning the universe also can be created by nothing.
And if u ar saying god has always existed, then you are automatically saying that things call always be in existence, meaning the universe (which we can see and know of) can also always be in existence.


Again you are filtering out the obvious and choosing what you wish. This is my full statement below;


Understanding the submitted piece is not rocket science except you deliberately chose to filter out other things and accept the one you are holding onto now for sake of argument.

We can only speak of the universe we are in because it is where we find ourselves so from this side of the universe we can not have access to the side where God may reside.

All of science can only speak of this present universe but nobody can imagine any other realm beyond this because we are not wired to do so except using an extract of the same realm which is our spirit.

God exisits outside our physical universe and cannot be a part of our created universe neither was He created along with our Universe. If perhaps something created Him as you speculate then you cannot prove that to be true simply because He was not a creation of our universe and realm. He existed outside this realm so that is all we know and see.

You conveniently refused to see the bolded and where I mentioned using an extract of that eternal realm known as your spirit to perceive that realm.

Try to read objectively and not just so you can pick out things to fling back at me with.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 8:33am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:


You keep doin my work for me, your post is talking about our existence, and since from the bolded, the universe is all we know and see, we ask where it comes from.

Now you assuming that it cant be existing forever or it cannot come from nothing but you can say something outside it in which you dont know or havent seen created it!.

how can you know that if you havent left the universe?

how do you know that there are other realms outside this one if this one is the only one you know?

NB: i never said something created god, i said if u assume that nothing created god, then u ar automatically saying that things can be created by nothing, meaning the universe also can be created by nothing.
And if u ar saying god has always existed, then you are automatically saying that things call always be in existence, meaning the universe (which we can see and know of) can also always be in existence.

Again you confirm my submission. You can only talk about creation with reference to this universe which you are physically a part of and not one your eternal spirit can perceive.

God is not part of this universe as He created it from outside it so you cannot use this created universe as a yardstick for measuring God to know if He was created or not.

This universe is you and that is all you know because until you unlock your eternal spirit you cannot perceive God same way just like in radio waves you cannot receive AM signals using FM.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by winner01(m): 8:38am On Aug 07, 2016
Great thread Op.
Sadly, atheists will always explain it away. How can anyone even ask "who created God".
Man is bound by time and space. And there is proof that those two began with the beginning of the universe. So How does one ever try to probe what was in existence before the big bang. undecided i.e before time and space undecided

We havent even probed successfully how we came into existence and some deluded ones feel they can probe how God came into existence.

Some of them know the world was not created by nothing, but admitting this fact will make them admit the existence of a Creator.
Its not actually about reasoning, its more about parroting arguments heard from other atheists.

Little wonder the Bible said, God gave them over to a strong delusion. undecided
lol.

Happy sunday oP.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 8:46am On Aug 07, 2016
winner01:
Great thread Op.
Sadly, atheists will always explain it away. How can anyone even ask "who created God".
Man is bound by time and space. And there is proof that those two began with the beginning of the universe. So How does one ever try to probe what was in existence before the big bang. undecided i.e before time and space undecided

We havent even probed successfully how we came into existence and some deluded ones feel they can probe how God came into existence.

Some of them know the world was not created by nothing, but admitting this fact will make them admit the existence of a Creator.
Its not actually about reasoning, its more about parroting arguments heard from other atheists.

Little wonder the Bible said, God gave them over to a strong delusion. undecided
lol.

Happy sunday oP.


True talk brother. Its like a bricklayer trying to understand or explain Chemistry when all they know is block, sand and cement in its physical form. Its absurd!

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 9:00am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:

Again you confirm my submission. You can only talk about creation with reference to this universe which you are physically a part of and not one your eternal spirit can perceive.
God is not part of this universe as He created it from outside it so you cannot use this created universe as a yardstick for measuring God to know if He was created or not.
This universe is you and that is all you know because until you unlock your eternal spirit you cannot perceive God same way just like in radio waves you cannot receive AM signals using FM.

winner01:
Great thread Op.
Sadly, atheists will always explain it away. How can anyone even ask "who created God".
Man is bound by time and space. And there is proof that those two began with the beginning of the universe. So How does one ever try to probe what was in existence before the big bang. undecided i.e before time and space undecided

We havent even probed successfully how we came into existence and some deluded ones feel they can probe how God came into existence.

Some of them know the world was not created by nothing, but admitting this fact will make them admit the existence of a Creator.
Its not actually about reasoning, its more about parroting arguments heard from other atheists.

Little wonder the Bible said, God gave them over to a strong delusion. undecided
lol.

Happy sunday oP.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6XAkVA7RmY
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 9:25am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6XAkVA7RmY


Lol did you even watch that youtube video? If you did you would hear all the "maybe" "probably" "perhaps" " very likely" being used and the man said "if you calculate all the this and that without showing you these calculations.

Let me help you so you would not continually show off your ignorance.

Read the links below


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-energy-cosmological-constant/

http://www.universetoday.com/119363/how-do-we-know-dark-energy-exists/

Your video is a silly one.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 9:34am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:



Lol did you even watch that youtube video? If you did you would hear all the "maybe" "probably" "perhaps" " very likely" being used and the man said "if you calculate all the this and that without showing you these calculations.

Let me help you so you would not continually show off your ignorance.

Read the links below


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-energy-cosmological-constant/

http://www.universetoday.com/119363/how-do-we-know-dark-energy-exists/

Your video is a silly one.

Science is always the approximation and not evrly certain, anybody who claims to be certain is not a scientist, and moreover the socalled man is Dr. Michio kaku, one of the worlds most intelligent theoretical physicists explaining what we know about the universe.

And you that dont know jack is calling it silly...someone gives a naturalistic and more reasonable explanation on how the universe can come from nothing and u say its silly, but whats your alternative?

God did it but god came from nothing...

Smh,

Dude, basks in your ignorance...chaow

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 9:45am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:


Science is always the approximation and not evrly certain, anybody who claims to be certain is not a scientist, and moreover the socalled man is Dr. Michio kaku, one of the worlds most intelligent theoretical physicists explaining what we know about the universe.

And you that dont know jack is calling it silly...someone gives a naturalistic and more reasonable explanation on how the universe can come from nothing and u say its silly, but whats your alternative?

God did it but god came from nothing...

Smh,

Dude, basks in your ignorance...chaow


You are so ignorant.

“…out of physics came new mathematics (the understanding of) super numbers, super topology, super differential geometry, all of a sudden we had supersymmetric theories coming out of physics that then revolutionized mathematics. So, the goal of physics we believe is to find an equation, one inch long, which will unify all the forces of nature and read the mind of God.”------ Dr. Michio kaku

Even your beloved Michio Kaku believes there is a God.

Hear the above quote yourself here;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jremlZvNDuk

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by 0ubenji(m): 9:45am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:
You shoot yourself in the foot...

First you say that anything that exists was caused by somethingelse, then you conclude that nothing brought the creator into existence!...really?

So if nothing brought him to existence, then why is it so hard to assume that nothing brought the universe into existence?

Or if you say he has always existed, then why is it hard to assume that the universe has always existed?
Lolz..I must commend u on this.
Touche!
Hmmn..Debating with u Atheists from a pragmatic perspective requires some apt level of contextual precision, coz u dudes got a way of filtering out suicidal innuendoes in an argument.
Most times I select the kinda issues I engage u atheists in.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by efismikoko(m): 9:51am On Aug 07, 2016
winner01:
Great thread Op.
Sadly, atheists will always explain it away. How can anyone even ask "who created God".
Man is bound by time and space. And there is proof that those two began with the beginning of the universe. So How does one ever try to probe what was in existence before the big bang. undecided i.e before time and space undecided

We havent even probed successfully how we came into existence and some deluded ones feel they can probe how God came into existence.

Some of them know the world was not created by nothing, but admitting this fact will make them admit the existence of a Creator.
Its not actually about reasoning, its more about parroting arguments heard from other atheists.

Little wonder the Bible said, God gave them over to a strong delusion. undecided
lol.

Happy sunday oP.

Nawao this is silly
How do you know there is a God, you guys are now saying he exist outside the universe and he has always existed, how do you guys know this. We are not probing the existence of God because to us he doesn't exist and he HAS NEVER BEEN FELT
I rather probe my own existence because I can see me and you than something that doesn't interfere in anyway in our day to day
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 9:55am On Aug 07, 2016
efismikoko:


Nawao this is silly
How do you know there is a God, you guys are now saying he exist outside the universe and he has always existed, how do you guys know this. We are not probing the existence of God because to us he doesn't exist and he HAS NEVER BEEN FELT
I rather probe my own existence because I can see me and you than something that doesn't interfere in anyway in our day to day

Your comment confirms the OP. Your reasoning is limited to time and space which is where you exist same with the universe. You cannot perceive God on His realm because you are yet to unlock the eternal spirit which He has given to you as a part of His realm.

So if you cannot probe beyond your realm here how then can you conclusively say there is no God? Besides God is not a feeling, He is an inner knowing and this inner knowing is triggered via faith and resonates in your eternal spirit.

I am sorry if you have not "FELT HIM" but that is not His fault but yours.
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by 0ubenji(m): 9:59am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:



True talk brother. Its like a bricklayer trying to understand or explain Chemistry when all they know is block, sand and cement in its physical form. Its absurd!
Bro...sinz we're both sure this argument will always end in a stalemate as it always does. Kindly take my advice and let it be. Fighting em' won't make em' listen. Be selective in ur battles.
I don't knw if I'm the only one finks debate such as this, in no way helps me to learn more on the virtues of being a xtian. If it were debates of a Moralist Vs religious perspective, that's kool to me, but this! ..Nah
Issues of creation and existence lies deeply rooted in our personal belief in theories of logically inexplicable and ambiguous origins we choose to accept via FAITH.
Plz, I plead with u. Let d issue lie.
Cc: Winner01
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 10:15am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:



You are so ignorant.

“…out of physics came new mathematics (the understanding of) super numbers, super topology, super differential geometry, all of a sudden we had supersymmetric theories coming out of physics that then revolutionized mathematics. So, the goal of physics we believe is to find an equation, one inch long, which will unify all the forces of nature and read the mind of God.”------ Dr. Michio kaku

Even your beloved Michio Kaku believes there is a God.

Hear the above quote yourself here;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jremlZvNDuk

Do you see your dishonesty, when he said the universe can come out of nothing, you called the video silly, then he said reading the mind of God and you jump to claim him...

Smh...

Well sorry to disappoint you, he doesnt believe in the kind of god u believe in, what he means by god is the universe, the spinoza's type of God, the type Einstein believed in...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBB2qHgZvLY

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 10:21am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:


Do you see your dishonesty, when he said the universe can come out of nothing, you called the video silly, then he said reading the mind of God and you jump to claim him...

Smh...

Well sorry to disappoint you, he doesnt believe in the kind of god u believe in, what he means by god is the universe, the spinoza's type of God, the type Einstein believed in...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBB2qHgZvLY


Ignorance at its peak. Do you even know what Spinozism is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinozism

This is an extract from the above link


Core doctrine Edit

In Spinozism, the concept of a personal relationship with God comes from the position that one is a part of an infinite interdependent "organism." Spinoza argued that everything is a derivative of God, interconnected with all of existence. Although humans only experience thought and extension, what happens to one aspect of existence will still affect others. Thus, Spinozism teaches a form of determinism and ecology and supports this as a basis for morality.
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by efismikoko(m): 10:28am On Aug 07, 2016
0ubenji:

Bro...sinz we're both sure this argument will always end in a stalemate as it always does. Kindly take my advice and let it be. Fighting em' won't make em' listen. Be selective in ur battles.
I don't knw if I'm the only one finks debate such as this, in no way helps me to learn more on the virtues of being a xtian. If it were debates of a Moralist Vs religious perspective, that's kool to me, but this! ..Nah
Issues of creation and existence lies deeply rooted in our personal belief in theories of logically inexplicable and ambiguous origins we choose to accept via FAITH.
Plz, I plead with u. Let d issue lie.
Cc: Winner01

Very true but I believe the theist are not doing something right because their bible says go out and do signs and wonders so the world will believe
Common sign dem no fit do their pastors keep staging miracles making it harder for athiest to believe there's a God
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 10:31am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:



Ignorance at its peak. Do you even know what Spinozism is?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinozism

Dude, i see you spend more time insulting than actually talking reasonably...no matters, i am tired, enough with the quotes...

Thanks
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 10:32am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:


Dude, i see you spend more time insulting than actually talking reasonably...no matters, i am tired, enough with the quotes...

Thanks

Just one more for you pls.


Core doctrine Edit

In Spinozism, the concept of a personal relationship with God comes from the position that one is a part of an infinite interdependent "organism." Spinoza argued that everything is a derivative of God, interconnected with all of existence. Although humans only experience thought and extension, what happens to one aspect of existence will still affect others. Thus, Spinozism teaches a form of determinism and ecology and supports this as a basis for morality.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Lexxyburg(m): 10:34am On Aug 07, 2016
What's the ish with all these so called Christians sef, can't you just face your god and STFU about what others believe in.
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by efismikoko(m): 10:36am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:


Your comment confirms the OP. Your reasoning is limited to time and space which is where you exist same with the universe. You cannot perceive God on His realm because you are yet to unlock the eternal spirit which He has given to you as a part of His realm.

So if you cannot probe beyond your realm here how then can you conclusively say there is no God? Besides God is not a feeling, He is an inner knowing and this inner knowing is triggered via faith and resonates in your eternal spirit.

I am sorry if you have not "FELT HIM" but that is not His fault but yours.
Bro I have gone through the level of faith in life I was a very strong Christian till I started thinking again
Infact I was a spirit filled Christian I grew from baby tongues speaking to real tongue speaking I even used to think the holy spirit talks to me till I started thinking grin
My papa na pastor sef and everyone taught still thinks I will continue the ministry
All that feeling u think u feel is bobo GOD NO DEY
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by donnffd(m): 10:36am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:


Just one more for you pls.


Core doctrine Edit

In Spinozism, the concept of a personal relationship with God comes from the position that one is a part of an infinite interdependent "organism." Spinoza argued that everything is a derivative of God, interconnected with all of existence. Although humans only experience thought and extension, what happens to one aspect of existence will still affect others. Thus, Spinozism teaches a form of determinism and ecology and supports this as a basis for morality.

I hope you watched that last video when he clearly differentiated between a personal God and a god of order and beauty...
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 10:43am On Aug 07, 2016
efismikoko:

Bro I have gone through the level of faith in life I was a very strong Christian till I started thinking again
Infact I was a spirit filled Christian I grew from baby tongues speaking to real tongue speaking I even used to think the holy spirit talks to me till I started thinking grin
My papa na pastor sef and everyone taught still thinks I will continue the ministry
All that feeling u think u feel is bobo GOD NO DEY


So says the ex believer who wanted to "FEEL GOD" if you were a bonafide believer you wouldnt even make the statement of wanting to feel God. It shows you are lying right now that you were once a believer.

Faith has nothing to do with feelings....you just exposed your own lie by yourself.

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Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by Nobody: 10:45am On Aug 07, 2016
donnffd:


I hope you watched that last video when he clearly differentiated between a personal God and a god of order and beauty...


You don't get it do you? He does not have to believe in my God as that is an issue for another day....he believes in a god is what I told you. He is intelligent enough to know that randomness cannot bring order neither can something exist from nothing. Something has to cause something else to react even if it is called "dark energy". By the way "dark" means "UNKNOWN"
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by hopefulLandlord: 10:52am On Aug 07, 2016
4everGod:



You don't get it do you? He does not have to believe in my God as that is an issue for another day....he believes in a god is what I told you. He is intelligent enough to know that randomness cannot bring order neither can something exist from nothing. Something has to cause something else to react even if it is called "dark energy". By the way "dark" means "UNKNOWN"

@bolded

But that thing that created the universe can exists from nothing?
Re: The Failure Of Atheism To Account For Existence by 0ubenji(m): 10:53am On Aug 07, 2016
efismikoko:


Very true but I believe the theist are not doing something right because their bible says go out and do signs and wonders so the world will believe
Common sign dem no fit do their pastors keep staging miracles making it harder for athiest to believe there's a God
1stly, I'm a theist, BUT NOT A RELIGIOUS FANATIC as u must av imagined most of us to be.
2ndly, ur statement on staged miracles reeks of bigotry of the highest ineptitude. It's purely oxymoronic to say "common signs dem no fit do"...only for u to say again in a flash that "their pastors keep staging miracles". This means u've acknowledged the signs and wonders, but errant reasoning made u ascribe ALL of them to "staging"..
Not all Sir, the fact that u can't tap into their level of spiritual connectivity doesn't exactly give u room to dismiss its authenticity.

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