Solomon said a wine is good for the heart.... And make merry and enjoy your life!

Its left to you to decide which level you drink to that makes you lose your right senses and misbehave...

Nigerians .....hypocrites and worshippers of pastors and daddies in the lord ..

Quoting and exaggerating scripture....
How will the oyedepos and adeboyes not hammer on your head?

shotin:
. Well said, because you masturbate, does not mean u should convince others by twisting the bible to your own advantage... Sin is often the result of lust or wrong selfish desire. This fact forms the primary basis of answering this question. Jesus tells us in Matthew 5:28 that “whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has
already committed adultery with her in his heart.” If sexual lusting is the reason or trigger for masturbation then it is certainly a sin whether from erotic imagery, viewing pornography, or lusting after a person.... As the apostle James wrote: “But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin” (James
1:14-15) masturbation is a sin... And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set ye free.... However sex is for marriage, and works to bind a husband and wife together in a profound way. Sex in marriage is good, but any other sexual activity is a distortion of that goodness. That’s why such activities as adultery, casual sex and so on are condemned.
When masturbation leads to unhelpful sexual
thinking and lust you are sinning and need to do
something about it. Make the conscious,
aggressive decision to look somewhere else, or
go somewhere else, or turn the computer off or
whatever it takes! Jesus promises that when we
are being tempted, he’ll give us a way out. (1 Cor
10:13)..... HAPPY SUNDAY........

we are on same page sir

Zedoo:



I don't drink...but you are the biggest liar EVER!!!!

the wine in the wedding Jesus performed his first miracle was it non alcoholic wine?
Chai see where people dry mislead people!!!!

You are the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen!!!

The wine David drank and danced his heart out to God was it non alcoholic?

The WINE Jesus served up during the last supper was it non-alcoholic?

Chai Nigerians!!! Europeans introduced Christianity to us and are still practicing it the way it should be (for them who do) in Nigeria we have turned it into all manner of misleading things!!!! Turning the bible on its head!!

You are a liar!!!!


The only time alcohol is a sin is when uts excess and makes a man fool around....
Go and read ya gadamn bible....

God just dey look Una dey chose parts of bible wey Favour Una! Dey throway the rest!...

I repeat you are a liar! And heaven sees I don't even drink! Your lies stink!!!!

Lol, i dnt blame you sha, it's what the university and the present day so-called scholars has injected into you guys that's making you to be this spiritualy blind....see how you are sounding so physical, empty and natural...david was led by the spirit to dance to the lord, and by one step of the dance he took he slaughtered a ram for the lord, the wife peeping through the window critisized him and God blocked her womb,,,she was the only barren woman in the history of the barren women in the bible...sarai born, hannah born, and others, even elizabeth sef born....instead of you to argue what you dnt knw ask me questions make i help you my brother.

Isaacmacdon:
lol, you are beginning to talk like one of them. Its only atheist that asks for bible scriptures in other to back up a point. You claim to know the bible well but its obvious you don't.

1 corinthians 5 vs 11; What I meant was that you should not associate with a person who calls himself a believer but is immoral or greedy or worships idols or is a slanderer or a drunkard or a thief. Don't even sit down to eat with such a person.

Sorry bro. I follow set rules. Go read your bible. I expressed my opinion and you foolishly pounced on it with demonic intent.

pls answer and stop running. We want to learn and its obvious he defeated you already.

5minsmadness:


Sexual thought is not healthy.

As a man thinketh, so is he. Let him fill up his mind with impure thoughts and that is what he will eventually become.

Philippians 4:8 - And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

What exactly makes "sexual thoughts" unhealthy??



who created sex?

who put the "sexual thoughts " in man?


kindly enumerate the adverse effects "sexual thoughts " have on a man that makes it unhealthy.

PLS MY FRIENDS, MASTURBATION IS A SIN, NOT ONLY AGAINST GOD BUT AGAINST YOUR WELL BEING. WHY MUST YOU MASTURBATE? PLS AGENTS OF DARKNESS THAT ARE DOING ALL IN THEIR POWERS TO LEAD YOU TO HELL THROUGH SATANIC PHILOSOPHIES.

Toks2008:
I have seen many threads on nairaland concerning self servicing and each time i read these threads i just shake my head in disbelief and i just marvel at the level of hypocrisy many people bring into the subject matter but today i want to present my candid take on self servicing using the very words of GOD as guide.

1.Is self servicing a sin?: I have hoped that one day, someone will really quote a bible passage that condemns self servicing but so far what we have seen are human philosophies and personal conviction about the matter.I don't know what the Quran says about it but The truth is that the Bible is totally silent about this matter.Many scholars have sited the story of onan(Genesis 38) who spilled his fluid on the ground but a deep understanding of that story shows that GOD punished him for disobedience rather than the act.

Until we find a good scripture to point to self servicing as a sin i will urge people to stop using human ideology to deceive people about the subject matter."Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."Colossians 2:8

2.When does self servicing becomes a sin:I always asked; when you masturbate how do you do it?what goes through your mind? I really don’t think a single man or woman will be thinking about a football game or a tractor when self servicing but probably about sex and i don't understand why it becomes a sin for a human who GOD created with sexual urge to think about sex.

But when you watch porn or indulge in pornographic induced self servicing then you have actually committed fornication and i will back this up with the scriptures..."But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart"Matthew 5:28
This means when you self service while "looking" at pornographic materials,it is only natural to lust after the men or women in the film or magazines and that makes it outright Adultery/fornication making it 100% sin and in-fact looking at the opposite sex lustfully even without masturbating is a sin.

3.When does self servicing becomes sinless?:Now understand this fact,Sexual urge is natural,healthy and God created it in us. You can not pray and fast about not having a sexual urge because its as natural as wanting to defecate or urinate.

[b]GOD never intended for a full grown man or woman to be single but today, many factors are responsible for many unmarried adults which brings on them the pressure of sexual urge. If you are sexually active and you have the self control to stay without fornicating,watching pornography or self servicing i say GOD bless you but if you have a very strong libido i will advice you find a way to ease off without fornicating or watching pornography. As i wrote, it is perfectly normal to have sexual urge and it makes sense to ease off rather than burn with passion.

Conclusively,i would say self servicing should be stopped by those who see it as a sin regardless and just like every other habit that can become very addictive,people who indulge in it should know the limits.

However, the first step to stopping self servicing is to get married and if you still find yourself indulging in it with your wife or husband around then it becomes a matter of interest for you to address if it affects your sexual relationship with your wife.[/b]

"But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion"1 Corinthians 7:9

Even when we know that masturbation may not be a sure way of avoiding fornication, many people have successfully wade off fornication with the act but the simple fact is that as long as you are a sexually healthy man or woman,you are left with three options...To self service,to fornicate or to burn with passion.

So I ask anyone reading this to sincerely tell us the option he or she would settle for

but wait oo.. u said watching pornography is a sin ...and masturbate is not

wen masturbating ... one actually pictures himself in the sexual act with a female hu is not married to...
isn't that lustful

tell me thatz not a sin?

I must commend the OP for this timely thread.


This is exactly what we have in churches these days.... everybody preaching his/her own idea of morality as the gospel.


Africans have been brought up to think that sexx is dirty, unholy, evil, unclean and emanates from the devil.
unfortunately, their religious leaders now use this as the standard for morality, preaching it as the truth.

The number one enemy of truth is Religion. ever wonder why they called for pastor Chris's head when he "dared" to say masturbation was not a sin?

Toks2008:


I have no opinion on this matter neither do I seek anybody's opinion.

What I want is the scriptural opinion on it.

You have clearly stated your opinion on the matter which is the whole basis of you creating the thread.

Toks2008:


Another story teller.

Since you think I am a storyteller, maybe you need to check this scripture, let me hear your thought on that:

15 When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body, and he remains unclean until evening. 17 Anything made of cloth or leather on which the semen falls must be washed, and it remains unclean until evening.
18 After sexual intercourse both the man and the woman must take a bath, and they remain unclean until evening. - Leviticus 15: 16-18

gees02:


As much as I agree with you, I just wish you were more mature and tolerant with your response. You claim to have started this topic to change a wrong mentality leading people away from salvation but the way you respond just puts people off and you set them up to fight with you instead.
I'm beginning to think you're not led by the Spirit of God to talk about this, but led by your ego and intellect.
There have been several comments on your response but you keep ignoring and continue with such. It is a pity, cos you are just undoing what you started and I am beginning to have second thoughts about your motivation and the veracity of your argument.
If you were out evangelizing, is this how you'll respond to the souls you're trying to win?
This cantankerous and contentious attitude is definitely not a fruit of the Spirit. I won't be surprised if you insult or ignore me.

If you follow this thread from page one you will understand why I responded that way.

How can you start passing judgement without giving a vivid quote from the bible to buttress your point?

Is It not sickening that most people just rant about the writer going to hell, masturbation is a sin bla bla bla and that's all. ..I really feel for this generation.

Toks2008:


You are now communicating so my questions are;

Is thinking about sex a sin?

How does masturbation becomes sexual immorality?

If I'm married and my wife travels, is it a sin if I masturbate thinking about sex with my wife?

As an unmarried person is it a sin if I ease off thinking about sex?

Please note that you are now discussing the matter from the scriptures so I would like you to back up your answers with scriptures.

http://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

leostenus:
PLS MY FRIENDS, MASTURBATION IS A SIN, NOT ONLY AGAINST GOD BUT AGAINST YOUR WELL BEING. WHY MUST YOU MASTURBATE? PLS AGENTS OF DARKNESS THAT ARE DOING ALL IN THEIR POWERS TO LEAD YOU TO HELL THROUGH SATANIC PHILOSOPHIES.

gees02 :you see what I mean? is this not baseless ranting?

Is @Toks2008 masturbating or not? if no, why not?

tete7000:


Since you think I am a storyteller, maybe you need to check this scripture, let me hear your thought on that:

15 When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body, and he remains unclean until evening. 17 Anything made of cloth or leather on which the semen falls must be washed, and it remains unclean until evening.
18 After sexual intercourse both the man and the woman must take a bath, and they remain unclean until evening. - Leviticus 15: 16-18

And how does this apply please? Explain.

Please go back and read the whole chapter to have an understanding of the message context.

Apparently from what you quote it is even unclean for a married couple to make love in verse 18

firstking01:
I dnt really know where you are driving at maybe cos i didn't read everything you wrote but from your heading and second paragraph i can categorically and convincingly put it to anyone/body who masturbates is committing a sin pronable of bringing eternal damnation to yourself...your body is supposed to be the throne and temple of the holy spirit, so, how dare you defile it?...and if you think masturbation is not a sin why the guilt after the act?,,,anything you do and your concience is in disarray with you it's a sin....your concience is the God inside of you....i dnt wanna share my experience of masturbation and encounter with God...maybe some other day...again i qoute, that a thing is not in the bible doesn't mean it's not a sin....quit masturbation.

is smoking weed a sin?

ProcessQ:
http://www.gotquestions.org/sexual-immorality.html

If you had read that link you posted I'm sure you wouldn't have posted it.

Please learn to read and understand before you share.

lilyheaven:

is smoking weed a sin?

A VERY MUNDANE CAPITAL SIN, i believe you have a pastor or spiritual head, go ask him.

brainpowerng:
Is @Toks2008 masturbating or not? if no, why not?

Here we go with baseless question?

Please be matured and discuss the subject matter in relation to the scriptures.

eyinjuege:


You have clearly stated your opinion on the matter which is the whole basis of you creating the thread.

As per whether it is a sin or not, none of our PERSONAL opinions count but that of GOD from the scriptures and not human ideology.

As regards the discourse,a lot has been submitted and a few more could be said....a wise mantra rhetorts "acceptance and practise of a norm grants it no right" "true discipline and spiritual devotion is hallmarked by knowing the striking difference between 'doing the right thing' and 'doing what's right'. Consequently,I would leave us with this: ignorance of what is, doesn't deny of its existence. Moreso,if God created sex,its sublime also to categorically state that He alone is in best position to say how it should be practised,hence He gave us guidelines,tenets,principles and stipulated parameters of our use of it.

Everything written(in the Bible) is for our guide, to teach and correct us all we have to do is ask for: the spirit of discernment.

God be our help!

fromnigeria:
we are on same page sir

. Yes we are.... Do have a lovely day sir

Christafarian:

My guy, you just quoted 'fromnigeria' by antagonising him, whereas, both of you are saying the same thing which I quite agree with.[b][/b]

. I did not antagonize him sir, I only agree with what he said and attached my own opinion with his..... Thank u sir....

depends: if u masturbate with soap, it is sin, but if with vaseline, it is no sin.

omoajenimoro:
hw can someone stop masturbation....?

. Through a genuine and concrete determination..... Once u determine u are not going to do it again, then move closer to God and pray for the power to resist the temptation of going back.... Try to find something doing, don't be idle... An idle hand is the handwork of devil workshop, so to say..... God bless you

Toks2008:


Ogbeni sit your ass down and get this straight.

I am a holy spirit filled,heaven bound believer in Christ and I have led many people to Christ not by preaching heresy but the truth from the bible so sit your ass down and learn right now.

Our body is the temple of God so smoking and "drunkenness" is a sin cos they destroy your body.

Nicotine and alcohol are substances that damage your organs.

Self servicing is a different ball game but the mistake you keep making is mixing up addiction with the subject matter.

Is talking,sleeping,eating a sin? hell no but gluttony,talkativeness and oversleeping can be harmful to our total well being.Any act whether good or bad if done in excess can be detrimental to us so stop mixing things up.

People like you make it difficult for people to make heaven by enslaving yourself in man made philosophy'.People like you go about condemning trouser wearing,jewelries, weaveons and so on making people to see salvation as bondage.

Please read this thread of mine to have your inner mind open.

https://www.nairaland.com/2579060/8-false-teachings-churches-biblical

I have been a believer since 1987 and I know my stands.

Watching porn is fornication,self servicing while watching porn is fornication but when you are so filled with sexual passion and you are not married you are free to ease off with your imagination if you can but if you have the grace to control yourself good for you.

But if your heart condemns you if you do it then stop it..PERIOD

On this quote I will sign out from this discussion and I might comment if I see any compelling comment with vivid quote from the scriptures as regards whether the act is Sinful or not.

Colossians 2:8 states "
Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ"

As quoted above, many people are in hell right now not because they deserve to be there but they willingly gave up their salvation because of heretic teachings of some so called men of God who have chosen to preach from their ideology.

I must thank lalasticlala profoundly for bringing this out to fpage thereby emancipating many people from mental slavery.

In conclusion I would like every believer to understand that nobody will be qualified to enter heaven based on our efforts or by keeping the commandments but by our faith in Christ are we justified.

Thanks to all readers, as well as ranters(those who judge and make comments without viable biblical reference), a big thanks to valuable contributors and many more.

Do have a great Sunday.

rokiatu:
Listen to music.

Do you masturbate?

Richie0974:
I don't think it's possible for someone to self service without a drive, it's either cos of pornography or fornication, take away these two things and no one will indulge in self servicing.

Add boredom to the list bro.

Toks2008:


Go to page 1 to see the definition and list of sexually immoral acts from the bible.

All you quoted up there has nothing to do with masturbation.

I totally agree with you when you say most of those quoting you against what you stated are hypocrites and their case is worse than that of a person who masturbates, look at the moniker of the one you quoted there, trying to prove self servicing is sin, if you're a Yoruba, you'll understand. How can someone that is trying to disprove a fact on sexuality with the scripture be taken serious with a moniker such as that.

There are laws governin the activities of the body, once you transgress you yourself will suffer the consequences. Call it sin or whatever.

If you ejaculate you are wasting precious energy that could have been redirected to more productive activities. Sexual urge is natural, but self control is very important. There are certain ancient methods for enlightenment that requires sexual energy (masturbation or not). So masturbation cannot be totally discredited, infact it is required if you want to learn how to delay ejaculation

If you addicted to masturbation. Learn how to delay ejaculation, and once that has been achieved , masturbation becomes boring and time wasting to you. You can pm me or check this links for explanation.

Hw to stop masturbation

https://www.nairaland.com/2517713/guaranteed-stop-masturbation

Hw to last longer during sexual intercourse

https://www.nairaland.com/2592799/want-free-embarassing-problem