baum1:


Always make your implicit assumptions explicit - which you have now done, well done.

I partially agree with you. You're right on some fronts but not on all fronts. People are still making a first in the same Nigeria, under the same tough conditions. In fact, you'd be pleased to know that the number of first class degrees from Nigeria has ballooned in the last 20 years by almost 100%. Go and check! That is one. Two, some people have great learning conditions and no financial challenges and all but still made a 2:2. Based on your assertion, do we conclude that they would suddenly become a first class material when they enter a plane and land at Imperial College. No, it's not

What is the quality of Naija made 1st class graduate when compared to the foreign ones. I read a news on BBC today about the productivity of graduates all over the world.
Which country really has the cleverest students? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37649892

baum1:


I didn't want to respond to this point, but I will.

The foreign schools I know, and based on academic ability alone, anyone who gets a first there the least they can get in Nigeria is a 2:1. Not to now talk of Imperial College, a top school reputed for great engineering research in the UK.

All these 'he got it here he can get it there is not always true. It's amazing how you guys reach your conclusions without knowing the capabilities of people getting these high grades abroad. Anyway, there is an adage which says ' no matter what, na my papa farm big pass' .

Let me laugh in swahili before I respond... jajajajajajajajajaja
U said it all though...
The keyword is...... "wait for it" .......... Engineering Research "Facility"... we dont even have a standard (one that will not crash today and be resurrected 2moro) database of the number of students in d school ... ur talking of research ... well thats the reason why we cant compare ... my mama was flogging my brother koboko when he was schooling here in Nigeria... because she felt he wasn't applying himself ... as he reach "A-Foreign" ... come see straight A's nah... Presidential list... Nominated for Who is who among African students... awards anyhow ..anyhow .. "left, right, center"...
So my broda... "he got it here, he cant get it there" ... e dey work oooo... even with their grading systems and all....
thank u
Enjoy the remainder of ur day sir.....

kenzysmith:
you have my respect girl the only thing girls now have to show is yansh and breasts we done tire to see

you're kidding right?

He is very brilliant. I belt you first class in imperial is way above first class in any African university.

4Play:


The difficulty of getting a first class in Nigeria is a reality independent of the quality of Nigerian education. Nigerian universities, particularly the government owned ones, traditionally are miserly with marks. This has no bearing on their quality, which is poor in my view.

On the other hand, UK universities are more likely to award high marks: 1/5th of undergrads end up with a first class and 2/3rds end up with at least a 2.1. This trend of high marks in grades applies at all levels, including secondary schools (look up grade inflation on the net).

The implication is that when you read about a Nigerian getting a first class in the UK, you shouldn't think of it as you would think of a first class at for instance OAU: a rare achievement bestowed on an academic prodigy.

Guy, I disagree with you on the highlighted. You are making a generalization, What makes you think the student getting a first class from a foreign university is not of the same quality as or higher than the student getting a first class from OAU or from any of the Nigerian university? That is an important first question.

If I go by your statement, I would conclude that when these Nigerian first class guys/ladies go abroad for studies, they are usually the best, not among the best oo, in their various classes. Whilst I agree that Nigerians can and do perform at a top level in their various courses abroad, they do not always outshine their counterparts from the Oyinbo schools. If this is true from data, then don't you think you need to rethink your submission?

About grade inflation, it's everywhere. In the days we went to school, first class was somewhat of a rarity, in fact the best in my cohort and other cohorts was a 2:1...Today, those same departments are producing at least 3 first class degrees and 2:1 is slowing becoming the average. In fact, if you check graduating data from NUC and all, you would see that the number of first class degrees as a whole in Nigeria has increased by nearly 100% in the past 20 years or so while 2:1 has increased by 65% or so. This is real, this is the reality. Similar conclusions have been reached in the US and UK. Those grades, while impressive, are not as they used to be anymore in Nigeria. Supply has increased!! Can't believe I wrote this about 1st and 2:1, but sadly it's the fact. Grade inflation is not a thing of the west. It's everywhere!

If you have a strong point to refute what I have written, I am open to our wisdom.

Mznaett:
Congratz dear


And kudos to all the Engineers/aspirants in the building... We rock!

May thermodynamics, FEG, strength of materials, Fluids mechanics, etc no scatter your head


Can I get an amen??

Onijagidijagan:
my brothers and sisters should learn frm d afonjas..it sudn't be abt chestbeating all d time. why always d west?

Proudly igbo

this particular guy is Fulani from Yola.

Maximus85:



What is the quality of Naija made 1st class graduate when compared to the foreign ones. I read a news on BBC today about the productivity of graduates all over the world.
Which country really has the cleverest students? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37649892

Funny how people come across same stuff. I read this same article yesterday or so..They say Australians are topping..

It's hard to answer your question because I have heard and seen instances where Africans like Nigerians, Ghanaians, Cameroonians etc top a whole department or even a whole school. But there are also many instances where the Nigerians and co are just among the best performing students, not the top. The question you have asked is an empirical question and to answer it, one must get data of performances of students across top universities..But the point I am trying to drum lol into fellow bros and sis here is that they cannot conclude that a first from abroad is inferior to first in Nigeria. That would be a weak and hasty generalization. This conclusion would only be accepted if the Nigerian first class students have consistently outperformed all of their foreign peers at the foreign schools. Whilst I accept that this happens sometimes and our brothers and sisters are truly doing great things out there, it's hardly the norm..Far from it..Getting a top grade is not easy anywhere

Congratulations!!!

Ighohor:
He is very brilliant. I belt you first class in imperial is way above first class in any African university.

Guy, na wah oo. It's hard to say something like this because it can't be the fact.

Yes, imperial is a top school for engineering and we all respect our above brother's achievement, but it is unbelievable to conclude that a first from imperial even Harvard is way above a first from any African university. We have seen instances where in a class of students or student researchers, the most promising researcher or student is African - Ghana, Nigeria, etc. Many of us have also seen instances where Africans are not tops in their foreign classes...

Sadly the brilliant ones here get frustrated and guess what happens "Brain drain" most of my friends are developers overseas I was once one but came back but now beginning to re-think why . we should be worried about losing our best brains.

Maximus85:
A 2nd Class lower in Nigeria will bag 1st class in a foreign university.

LOL

Maximus85:
A 2nd Class lower in Nigeria will bag 1st class in a foreign university.

keep quite if you don't have something tangible to say. Who told you its always a smooth ride out there. Its only the exceptional ones you hear of most guys from naija struggle big time in these foreign schools.

teebaxy:
I'm so sick of the news of Nigerians bagging first class in some certain country all because they are developed doesn't make them better than us. Do u know. How many students bagged first in Nigeria already? Lets get out from this mediocre mentality this is a country and not a family.

Guy we are not there yet. In short in a 100 years I am not sure we will be there. Comparing a degree abroad to a Nigerian degree is like comparing a Toyota to a benz...Face it you are from a third world country

kwynette:
Why won't you get first class after schooling abroad? Come to UNN and study Engineering, bobo if you get 2.2 I will buy you a car

hope electronics engineering isnt included in your challenge? chem engineering is quite tough anywhere in the world.

Reski:

keep quite if you don't have something tangible to say. Who told you its always a smooth ride out there. Its only the exceptional ones you hear of most guys from naija struggle big time in these foreign schools.

Guy, I don't know of most, but many indeed struggle. You have said what I was avoiding to say.

Many of the exceptional or very good ones and some of the average but determined ones from Nigeria though will eventually do well irrespective of the initial setback. But those who think it's a piece of cake, mhen e no go easy.

What our universities in Nigeria teach us is rigour. We're rigorous students and this trait comes in handy when things get tough.

Reski:

keep quite if you don't have something tangible to say. Who told you its always a smooth ride out there. Its only the exceptional ones you hear of most guys from naija struggle big time in these foreign schools.

you dey mind the dullllard

upon all our so called tough standards what have produced


are we not still importing foreign engineers for common road


for me Engineering and its Students in Nigeria are useless, they make so much noise in School only to run out of ideas if and IOC or any other person does not hand them a Job after Graduation

i am not demeaning his achievements but while we are celebrating one individual ,china,india,america,europe are producing a thousands individuals like him.in the end he will go to work for them,what have we achieved !?

Onijagidijagan:
my brothers and sisters should learn frm d afonjas..it sudn't be abt chestbeating all d time. why always d west?

Proudly igbo

my brother he's a northerner, from Adamawa state and fulani by tribe....carry ur tribalistic comment n go

Franky826:


May thermodynamics, FEG, strength of materials, Fluids mechanics, etc no scatter your head


Can I get an amen??

AMEN O

Right now, I'm designing a structure... e no easy aswear

rozayx5:


you dey mind the dullllard

upon all our so called tough standards what have produced


are we not still importing foreign engineers for common road


for me Engineering and its Students in[b] Nigeria are useless[/b], they make so much noise in School only to run out of ideas if and IOC or any other person does not hand them a Job after Graduation

Guy wetin u mean?

kwynette:
Why won't you get first class after schooling abroad? Come to UNN and study Engineering, bobo if you get 2.2 I will buy you a car

Lol...u know the mara for that setting...Thanking God I survived UNN

Congratulations first to you for celebrating your brother. I am happy for your brother and you.

Maximus85:
[s]A 2nd Class lower in Nigeria will bag 1st class in a foreign university.[/s]

Blatant rubbish.

Great.

Congrats dude.

Onijagidijagan:
my brothers and sisters should learn frm d afonjas..it sudn't be abt chestbeating all d time. why always d west?

Proudly igbo

mumu pikin that dude is not igbo

MadCow1:
Habib?



Wow!!!



Impressive..

what happen with his name? I know u don't expect good things from someone bearing such or whatsoever

Reski:

keep quite if you don't have something tangible to say. Who told you its always a smooth ride out there. Its only the exceptional ones you hear of most guys from naija struggle big time in these foreign schools.

You can still make your point without insulting. That you went through school doesn't make you educated. Only educated illiterates talk like you've just done.

baum1:


Take it easy. You've achieved a great feat graduating with a first. Congrats. But...Celebrate others too.

What did you study? If you're still young and studied the right course, I can assist with scholarship applications to good foreign schools.

I have made this offer since September and strange to see that I'm working with only one person right now. I was expecting to be mobbed by first class degree holders but alas, I've been wrong.

If you're interested, I await your response.

I'm interested please. I read Mathematics

Intelligent and handsome guy. congratulations dear

First Class degree in Chem Engr, impressive. Nicely done bro congrats!