AlphaCentauri:
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LoJ:

Sukkot,

You are definitely the most funny guy around. Nonetheless, you have a point.

MrsPhyno:
True but at the same time not true.

Igbos have a saying, which I'll probably mess up so please correct me if you know it: A secret is best keep between those with the same mother.

Money makes the world go round, but blood is thicker than water. When it gets down to it, and things are getting ugly; such as they did in Nazi Germany, there was no amount of money the rich Jews could give the world to save themselves. No economic alliance to be made. That's an extreme example, but there's a reason that the Bible calls Jesus a friend who sticks closer than a brother. Meaning brother, blood (and by extension, ur tribes people) will tend to have your back. That's why such alliances still seem stronger.

orunto27:
I don't understand your conclusion of a corrupt man and efcc. The Bible, however, wants you to interact from your level, that is , know your limitation first before you enter into agreement with others. The Yorubas must know what they have and wish to exchange for what they don't have with The Hausas, Fulanis and Ibos. This is Trade by Barter, God's original Economy. When you say I'm rich, I only want to deal with rich people across the globe, apart from Trump and 419 people like him who need to be ignored at all costs, you can never understand the value Labour, Material and the true Overhead costs of Wealth. Nigeria must first decentralize and regroup into North, top of Rivers Niger&Benue, South West of River Niger down to the Creek and South East at River Benue down to the Creek. From here we can start inter tribal Trade devoid of sharp practices and 419 colouration.

AlphaCentauri:
which blood ? all the poor igbo boys who kidnap the rich ones and demand for ransom ? where is the blood is thicker than water in dat one ? keep deceiving yourself. everyman is alone and will ally with those whom they have things in common with. tony elumelu has thicker blood with tinubu than with some poor igbo man. FACTS

walemoney007:
this your argument holds no water....during the counter coup in 1966 every easterner were killed in the north,they don't care if you are a rich man or not.
During inter tribal fight,if you find yourself in the wrong place your money won't help you

AlphaCentauri:
which blood ? all the poor igbo boys who kidnap the rich ones and demand for ransom ? where is the blood is thicker than water in dat one ? keep deceiving yourself. everyman is alone and will ally with those whom they have things in common with. tony elumelu has thicker blood with tinubu than with some poor igbo man. FACTS

Igboid:


And the rich don't eat each other?

Was it not Awolowo rich Yoruba allies like Jakande that betrayed him to IBB?

Was Abiola not betrayed by his rich Northern friends and Yoruba ones and allowed to die?


Friendship amongst the rich is like wine, it's sweet, but blood will always be thicker. The Jews discovered that the hard way during the pogrom. Ndiigbo the same, during the counter coup massacres.

Igboid:


And the rich don't eat each other?

Was it not Awolowo rich Yoruba allies like Jakande that betrayed him to IBB?

Was Abiola not betrayed by his rich Northern friends and Yoruba ones and allowed to die?


Friendship amongst the rich is like wine, it's sweet, but blood will always be thicker. The Jews discovered that the hard way during the pogrom. Ndiigbo the same, during the counter coup massacres.

AlphaCentauri:
awolowo was never rich. and he is a politician. politicians fight each other over power. thats normal. has nothing to do with this situation . fact remains its is the rich vs the poor. the rich of all tribes are a close knit family who relate more to each other than any tribal allegiance to poor people of thier tribe. FACTS. its biblical

CliffordOrji:
You are right, but yoy refused to tell us about how Nnamdi Azikiwe also betrayed we Igbos. Azikiwe composed the Biafran national anthem but ironically, during the heat of the biafra war, he ran away from and supported the Nigerian government in the killing of his own Biafran people.

What abot Arthur Nzeribe another Igbo man who was purchasing arms and ammunition for the Nigerian military that was used to kill we Igbos during the war

We should not forget Ikemba Ojukwu himself who once boasted to fight till the last drop of his blood, only to run away to Abidjan after 3million biafran souls have been wasted. He later came back after 12 years in exile , to contest for the presidency of the same country he led we Igbos fight against

Igboid:


Lol! Awolowo was filthy rich after he acquired most of the foreign companies through proxies after the Indigenization programme . Don' be deceived.

Even before that programme, Awo was rich. It was right over the sole distributorship of Coca cola between Awo and Akintola wives that further fuelled the feud between the two.

The Rich battle each other for prominence, it's always a never ending Machiavellian schemes amongst them up there to retain control of each other and then the poor masses.

CliffordOrji:
You are right, but you refused to tell us about how Nnamdi Azikiwe also betrayed we Igbos. Azikiwe composed the Biafran national anthem but ironically, during the heat of the biafra war, he ran away from Biafra and supported the Nigerian government in the killing of his own Biafran people.

What abot Arthur Nzeribe another Igbo man who was purchased arms and ammunition for the Nigerian military that was used to kill we Igbos during the war

We should not forget Ikemba Ojukwu himself who once boasted to fight till the last drop of his blood, only to run away to Abidjan after 3million biafran souls have been wasted. He later came back after 12 years in exile, to contest for the presidency of the same country he led we Igbos to fight against

Igboid:


Zik represents the top class. He was never allowed the level of control he craved for by Ojukwu in Biafra, he left Biafra for Nigeria when he saw that the tide had turned against Biafra, seeing as all the world powers backed Nigeria.

That Arthur Nzeribe story, I'm yet to see any official documentd evidence by any neutral party supporting it.
Even if it were so, if Nzeribe didn't sell to Nigerians, other middle men would have still done so, so I don't think his refusal or acceptance would have had any difference on the final outcome of the war, though it do raise questions about his moral sanctity as a person.

Well. Awo did cowardly abandone Yorubas to your fate by chickening out of life and ending his miserarable life by taking rat poison, if only to save Yorubas the shame of learning that their self acclaimed sage was out foxed by the North and then forced to commit treason( for the second time and was yet again caught).
I think you of all people as. Yoruba has no r

AlphaCentauri:
lies. i know some of the mans family. he was not a rich man. try again. i mean he has many people willing to do him favors just on the strength that he is awolowo, but he was a very dignified man and never indulged excessively in favors

and yes the rich have a friendly competition of who can acquire more and be in the forbes list. but tthat dont mean they relate to poor people of their tribe

Igboid:


https://www.nairaland.com/3252496/how-awolowo-helped-celebrating-mediocrity

CliffordOrji:
I am happy you know that Nnamdi Azikiwe was the Igbo man that composed the biafran National anthem, but he eventually ran away from Biafra. Ikemba Ojukwu, the Igbo man who declared Biafra also ran away from Biafra eventually. 3million Igbo civilians were sent to the slaughter slab and were massacred like goats while our own Igbo leaders all ran away from Biafra. I am happy that Ojukwu later died of stroke; he had a heart attack after he heard that FFK ffucked his wife, Bianca

CliffordOrji:
I am happy you know that Nnamdi Azikiwe was the Igbo man that composed the biafran National anthem, but he eventually ran away from Biafra. Ikemba Ojukwu, the Igbo man who declared Biafra also ran away from Biafra eventually. 3million Igbo civilian were sent to the salughter slab and were massacred like goats while our own Igbo leaders all ran away from Biafra. I am happy that Ojukwu later died of stroke; he had a heart attack after he heard that FFK bleeped his wife, Bianca

walemoney007:
this your argument holds no water....during the counter coup in 1966 every easterner were killed in the north,they don't care if you are a rich man or not.
During inter tribal fight,if you find yourself in the wrong place your money won't help you

Igboid:


Like Awo chose to run away from Life by committing suicide in otapiapia style, instead of running away to exile like IBB demanded of him?

Zik left Biafra when the diplomatic war was lost by Biafra and it became obvious that the Caucasian powered were going to hunt in pack against Biafra. Even at that, he was never part of Gowon government.

Ojukwu left Biafra when it was obvious the war Was already lost. You wanted his head to use to cajole Biafrans, but we denied you that luxury by making sure he was buried a Hero and not as a rebel. You can wail more if you like, but you will discover that in the final analysis, it wasn't Ojukwu or Zik that gave Awolowo the rat poison that killed him.

AlphaCentauri:
whats your point ? please stick to the topic. stop derailing

Igboid:


Point is that Awolowo was a filthy rich crook, who was found guilty of misappropriation of public funds before the war, and who after the war masterminded the greatest heist in Nigeria History that saw him and his Yoruba cronies hijacking all the foreign companies in Nigeria via the indigenization policy. It was like Gowon gift to them for their role and support during the war.

It's impossible for Awolowo to not be filthy rich after the he masterminded the Yoruba Indigenization heist of foreign companies. That's the point.

AlphaCentauri:
which blood ? all the poor igbo boys who kidnap the rich ones and demand for ransom ? where is the blood is thicker than water in dat one ? keep deceiving yourself. everyman is alone and will ally with those whom they have things in common with. tony elumelu has thicker blood with tinubu than with some poor igbo man. FACTS

MrsPhyno:

That's what I was trying to tell him. The Jews were trying to buy their way out of Germany, they have money and connections. Did it save them? When humans are at their basest, the only thing they understand is family, tribe, ethnicity etc.

Of course the rich support the rich, that's normal. We're talking about the nitty gritty of life. Pogroms and discrimination do not respect money, they only respect family (e.g. Are you one of us?)

MrsPhyno:

Why pick out a single line from my statement and ignore every other argument? You quoted the Bible, I quoted the Bible. I also told you a proverb from my culture.

Crimes perpetrated on the rich by the poor are kinda not applicable to your argument. The rich steal from the poor in their white-collar way. The poor steal from the rich in their blue-collar way. That's just the world, every culture, every country. And of course rich people are allies, the rich wanna get richer and they want the poor to get poorer.

What I'm saying is, blood is deeper. It's actually unfortunate that it is so, but history has proven it. That's why I used the example of the Jews cause there's probably no richer and better connected group than them. They saw it as their duty to make alliances throughout Europe, throughout the history of the world. And yet, when the bloodthirsty Europeans weren't feeling it, they would surely rise up and slaughter them. The only place they could feel ultimately safe; no matter how rich or poor, was among their brethren; hence why they got their own country.

I hope you understand, I'm not negating the power of money. It's everything. But when it's a matter of life or death, the only thing that can save you is family and blood. The last and must ultimate place you feel comfortable is your ancestral home and the people that you trust with your life are your own people. Everything else is secondary, and only possible when your life is not at risk.

I like that you used "those who have something in common with them". The ultimate commonality is blood. That's why (usually) you trust your siblings more than your coworkers or friends.

AlphaCentauri:
yes but the jews were killed by a fellow jew so what has that got to do with this topic ? you do know hitler was a jew right ? his real name was Schicklgruber. so a rich powerful jew killed other jews, what is the correlation of that with this topic ?