The answer to that is no; if you know what the illuminati is all about then you would know that jay-z can't be a member of a society like that. And he is not a mason either. Before i continue, what i am about to talk about is true, and if you do not believe me and make fun of it, like you guys always do on nairaland, i do not care. My intention is to reach that 10 percent that will read and learn.

Jay-z is not part of either the illuminati, or free masonry; he is in a secret society. For the purpose of this write up, i will not go deep into that. What i want to tell you is to be-wear of what you recite from all this rappers lyrics. You rap along and half the time, you do not know you are reciting incantations. Or, don't let me take it that far, you are being brain washed. You are getting to the level of idolizing a man, that makes you call him HOVA( short for jehova), and throw up signs you do not understand the meaning of.

Now, let me tell you a little thing that made me research this topic, and made me believe there can be no smoke without flames. I was sent a mail by a brazilian like last year talking about this program that can make me be a master of myself, that would make me a better person, that would make me realize the power i have within. Before i continue, i must tell you every human is more powerful than they think. Anyway, i followed the course, then it got more than a course, i got really deep in it. I started understanding some facts of life i didn't know before, things i can't really talk about here. To cut the long story short, i got to a spiritual level that i could get anything i wanted, money, women, favors, i was becoming invincible. I could be going on a bike and the bike is about to crash, and i would just know that nothing can happen to me. At a point, i stopped going to church, because i didn't need anything other than what the program was making me get.

I thank God i pulled out of it, and burnt all the printed out copies of books, and programs the guy sent to me. So why i told you this story is because that was a secret society, and you get nothing without giving a piece of you whether you know it or not. I made some investigative researches, and i found out that jay was in the kind of program i was getting into, but a way more advanced type. He had been in it since the late 90's, and is well connected through the other partners that are in the program that are in high place.

Now the whole catch, and why jay would keep on rising is that, just like a follower of Christ, a pastor, preacher; jay-z is the equivalent. He brings the soul of people who are fans of his music. And you know that the devil is very powerful, and has control over must things on earth, that is why he would keep on making good music, but injected in those hit records, those radio hits, those club bangers, are words that are meant to bring the listeners to the dark side. Go and listen to "empire state of mind", the last verse, jay says, "jesus can't save you, life starts where the church ends". Need i say more? And the thing is, whether you know or you absent mindedly say this, over and over again, you get brain washed.

I don't want to say anymore than this, meditate and think about it;digest it. And i want to say that it's not just jay-z that is in this kind of secret society, that is in the music industry, there are a lot of them, i just chose him as a case study because he seem to have the must followers; You get it? followers.

i am surprised nobody has commented on this topic.

no one has replied coz the moral of your story isnt stated.

are u suggesting that we stop singing along to jayz records for reasons soo "secret" u cant mention? coz some random guy (u) on the internet said so?

while its possible he is involved in some secret society, it still remains speculation until some concrete evidence is put forward. so dont come here acting like you have some inside information or something, but u just aint telling. if u really want to inform people, dont do it by painting a vague picture.

and also, quick question; what effect does the line "jesus cant save u, life starts where the church ends" have on a muslim, jew, hindu, budhist or any non-christian jayz fan?

while its important for us to be objective in our responses, the burden is on u to provide adequate substance to your theories.

st-kris:



while its possible he is involved in some secret society, it still remains speculation until some concrete evidence is put forward. so dont come here acting like you have some inside information or something, but u just aint telling. if u really want to inform people, dont do it by painting a vague picture.

and also, quick question; what effect does the line "jesus cant save u, life starts where the church ends" have on a muslim, jew, hindu, budhist or any non-christian jayz fan?

while its important for us to be objective in our responses, the burden is on u to provide adequate substance to your theories.

Ummmm, Recitation is such a powerful thing u dont wanna take it for granted.
Now for me, whether Jay involvement in secret society r SPECULATIONS,
whether there r empirical EVIDENCE or not is least of ma worries.
The fact remain that he is anti christ, note i said he is and not he is THE anti christ.
His lyrical position shows he opposes christ jesus and that pains me sooo much.
cos i like d dude, his music, i think he's talented, but the way he vilifies Christ and d church.
So when one begins to recite some of those line it sips into ur mind, the way reciting scriptural verses
help solidify ones faith and resolve on issue,

As to what what happens to non-christian fans, well, lemme answer that this way:
a dude tells e'rone who cares to listen that he's a vegetarian and he hates pple who eat meat,
tell em how there nothin good in meat and lots of derogratories bout
that does a lot for others who dont eat meat for wateva reason and make them dislike those who do more.
Especially if d dude talkin is influential, successful and got it goin on. dyu get.

i wld hav commented on this point in a different way but this is a safer route.
oNe

@st-kris
I guess DBR has answered your question, but i would like to add a little something. Even if i said more than i did, you would find something fancy to say to defend your, should i call him little god. He said 'this is lafamilia, pledge you religeon, ' just make some researches yourself. Do some findings.

@dbr
Thanks for your analysis. I think you managed to explain it better than me.

how you go like send me that yo brazilian guy mail now

This is la Familia
Pledge your allegiance
Where did you do your research??
Listen well to the track ''Empire State of Mind''.
Jesus can't save you
Life starts when the church ends
He was referin' to the hustle and bustle of N.Y.he was indirectly sayin' heaven helps those who help themselves.People go to church(some go to bars) to seek consolation.Yea,you pray to God in the church but when the church ends,you just don't sit down and wait for manna to fall down from heaven,especially in a city faster than Lagos.
I'll only comment again on this thread once you tell us the ''secrets'' you know.
Btw,you claim to be a NaS fan.if you can't decipher Hov's lyrics,i wonder whether you even have any idea of what the f*@# NaS spits
Crap

I didnt come to debate here or nothing. I ain't got time i just came to drop my two cents

You people need to get a J.O.B!! A good payin one at that cos if u did have one you would not have the time to type all this megedefegede

Who does not know that 99.9 percent of these rappers are a blasphemous,non bible believing bunch why the focus on just Jay-Z abegi awa oo ko yen je jare.Your write up proves zilch afterall there is a rap group that call themselves three six mafia beam your spotlight on them better yet the entire rap and pop culture.Basically your thesis is biased,selective and flawed

Latest word on the street is that Obama is the anti christ i'm sure its peeps like u that started that rumor. Naija people and their P.H.D syndrome sef

LOL!
Now you guys are talking.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to make people believe he didn't exist.

And yeah, i said that religion part to get one of you to talk, ofcos i know he said allegiance (sorry for that).

And i know he is trying to make people believe he is talking about new york, yeah he is talking about new york, i know that, but you just keep reciting that part, keep saying it every day, jesus can't save you, that's the part that he wants you to keep reciting every day, every day you rap that song. And it is a lovely song, and it has a lovely video now, that means more people would rap that part.

I'm out for now.

Well my 2cents, i like rap, i love hip hop, the flow, the lyrics, the topicals, the shocking things that eminem says and what not. But please i dont like hearing Jesus cant save you. Jesus can save you. It is harder for those who seem to struggle with faith, hearing things like this from someone you like to listen to. Its dangerous. Its like Oprah telling people to be their own gods, ok not the same gravity, but we can put them in the same pot.

So how then do you seperate what you do not want to hear from what you like to hear when they both come in the same packge. It slike the yoruba proverb, the one where he pollutes in your mouth and then add honey, something like dat tho.

Anyways i'm not into conspiracy theories, sorry kay, the worst thing about a conspiracy theory is that you dont have to prove it.

Dont really matter to me. . . A piece of entertaining read for my after work hour but the bottom line is Jay may say some anti-christ chats and i am a Catholic but i can be mature to separate reality so yea Jesus saves!
. . . but in NY streets if you are caught sleepin its hOVA man Plain irony

Even if every human being and parrot in the whole world chanted "jesus cant save you" at the top of their voice, how does it make it any more true or false than it was before?

P.S. what exactly is Jesus supposed to save us from? That ugly basterd called the devil or the boogie man?

aieromon:

This is la Familia
Pledge your allegiance
Where did you do your research??
Listen well to the track ''Empire State of Mind''.
Jesus can't save you
Life starts when the church ends
He was referin' to the hustle and bustle of N.Y.he was indirectly sayin' heaven helps those who help themselves.People go to church(some go to bars) to seek consolation.Yea,you pray to God in the church but when the church ends,you just don't sit down and wait for manna to fall down from heaven,especially in a city faster than Lagos.
I'll only comment again on this thread once you tell us the ''secrets'' you know.
Btw,you claim to be a NaS fan.if you can't decipher Hov's lyrics,i wonder whether you even have any idea of what the f*@# NaS spits
Crap

That's what I also deduced from the lyrics even though I haven't really gotten into the song.

Anywayz, this masonry talk has been over-beaten. It's now boring. Listening to Jay-z does not = Jay-z being my mentor.

signs of the end time,if you like believe if you like don't believe time will tell.but would you have made a right choice before then?it all depends on you and what you want to believe.it all happened when Jesus came many people came up with so many convince theory that when you view it from their angle it made sense too.even till date after all he went through still so many people have convincing theory to make you not to believe.The devil is very trickish and i won't be surprise if his agents too have enter niaraland to deceive people.with some topic i see people type.someone said Jesus can't save you life starts when the church end.



do you need someone to explain that too you again even a 3 years old can easily do that.why didn't he say mohammed can't save u life starts when the Mosque end and see if he will live to see the light of day again(i love my Muslim brothers,the way they respect their religion and not tolerate rubbish) and with the sign he is always doing and people too will follow hmmmmmmmmm me am not saying his into anything o it could be his own swag and it could be another thing.

if the devil will need an instrument to deliver his word definitely the entertainers are a very good too.na weting they sweet person na him e enemy they use against am.and he wil also block your ears and mind not to see reasons even with simple facts are hitting ur face.
is ur choice believe or not believe becos no matter the evidences they put before u to prove whether he belongs to any cult or not even if u catch him in the act of worshipping in the Church or occultic altar the choice is yours?

@poster thanks for the topic guess is better one does his own research is worth the time if your favorite entertain is been accuse of something you don't like.i will do that when i GET HOME FROM WORK WHERE I AM WELL PAID.

The guy that was talking about "if every body in the world, and every parrot chants jesus can't save you, that it would not change a thing", i can see that you are very shallow minded; i don't mean to be offensive with my words, but how can you say something like that.
Well, as i told my friend yesterday, i am not the savior, i can not tell people what to listen to, or say, or what not to listen to or say, the choice is yours. It just dazzles me how blind people can be about this matter, that's it.

At my shop yesterday, two of my friends nearly fought over this matter, and i have said i would not bring it up again. Just read, and do your own research, and if you still feel that statement can be backed up, then i can not say anything.

The last thing i have to say is, no matter the context people are saying he used that line in, thereby justifying him, it can never be right. Jesus can not save you, is jesus can not save you, that is plainly what he was trying to say. Trying to say you should pay attention more to work, and some principles that he follows?

You see, we are already typing it up in here more than necessary.

I wish you all luck.

@chiogo.
I can tell you were confused at first, that is why you didn't comment on the post, till that other guy made his on analogy, and you believed, yeah, that ought to be the explanation, as long as it explains jay-z's justification for uttering the blasphemy he uttered.

You guys are saying he is talking about new york, well, if he had said it another way, like going to church alone can't save you, that you have to put in your own work, that is pardonable, every body knows that,

Don't you know that, even if you are bad, and you keep going to church, even if you are sleeping with all the choir members, one day, the word would touch you, and you would change. Now, a lot of his fans, in their millions, would just pull out that line, and believe all they have to do is work on some principles, and forget church, and they would be saved.
Don't be deceived; when success comes, it's either from the dark side or from the light, trust me, i have been there.

^ Oh please!!  I didn't comment on the thread earlier because I just saw it yesterday, duh!
It doesn't even matter what he says, like I said. You claim not to be a fan yet you keep worrying about his activities, making you write that essay up there. I read it sha  But seriously,who cares whether or not Jay-z bows down to the devil every time he wakes up? 

kay29000:

You guys are saying he is talking about new york, well, if he had said it another way, like going to church alone can't save you, that you have to put in your own work, that is pardonable, every body knows that,

Pardonable ke? Jay-z send you??  you're funny sha. Congrats on having "been there."

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