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We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 6:45am On Feb 28, 2017
I've been studying kids these days, i wanted to know if really they believe in some sort of supernatural powers or something, then i remember as a kid, i often get scared whenever its dark— it's always like some forces are coming to carry me away, and so because of that, i remember I'm always holding on tightly to my dad whenever its dark,and in Most cases whenever there's no light, what could have warranted this fear? i don't know.

there's this niece or mine that's quite stubborn. she will be 2 by July , although she's not a coward like me as a kid, she doesn't get scared whenever its dark, but she did something that made me conclude that kids believe in some sort of higher forces in our world.

Last week, i was studying in my room, her mum was in her room sleeping, and while she was playing, she just went to the backyard, i could see her from my window, i notice she was going to play with water and so i shouted her name to desist from going there, she couldn't see me, but she knows i was the one — being a stubborn girl, instead of her to go back, she just smiled to my calling and went ahead to play with the water. I shouted at her again, this time, she was just laughing at me. Then i decided to be murmuring like a ghost, this time, she got terrified, she was so scared that she started running back inside. She started crying loudly at the same time and woke her sleeping mum. The mum asked who beat her, she couldn't talk, all she did was hug her.

This got me thinking, this is a girl that can barely talk nor understand clearly what you are saying talkless understand the Idea of a God or satan or any supernatural forces we believe in.

For the record, kids believe the idea of a supreme God and that automatically makes the claim of us being born atheists a wrong notion.

Cc: seun, johnnydon, hahn, akintom, jackbizze, deepsights, pastoraio, sarrasin, agentofAllah
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by pressplay411(m): 6:49am On Feb 28, 2017
Seriously?
Fear is your proof that God exists?

I think you just had another nightmare.

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Nobody: 6:55am On Feb 28, 2017
grin


Kids don't know how to be SCARED/FEAR or HATE..
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 7:11am On Feb 28, 2017
pressplay411:
Seriously?
Fear is your proof that God exists?

I think you just had another nightmare.

The causality is what I'm asking for.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 7:12am On Feb 28, 2017
TrapQueen77:
grin


Kids don't know how to be SCARED/FEAR ..

The OP prove otherwise.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by enshy: 7:24am On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:
I've been studying kids these days, i wanted to know if really they believe in some sort of supernatural powers or something, then i remember as a kid, i often get scared whenever its dark— it's always like some forces are coming to carry me away, and so because of that, i remember I'm always holding on tightly to my dad whenever its dark,and in Most cases whenever there's no light, what could have warranted this fear? i don't know.

there's this niece or mine that's quite stubborn. she will be 2 by July , although she's not a coward like me as a kid, she doesn't get scared whenever its dark, but she did something that made me conclude that kids believe in some sort of higher forces in our world.

Last week, i was studying in my room, her mum was in her room sleeping, and while she was playing, she just went to the backyard, i could see her from my window, i notice she was going to play with water and so i shouted her name to desist from going there, she couldn't see me, but she knows i was the one — being a stubborn girl, instead of her to go back, she just smiled to my calling and went ahead to play with the water. I shouted at her again, this time, she was just laughing at me. Then i decided to be murmuring like a ghost, this time, she got terrified, she was so scared that she started running back inside. She started crying loudly at the same time and woke her sleeping mum. The mum asked who beat her, she couldn't talk, all she did was hug her.

This got me thinking, this is a girl that can barely talk nor understand clearly what you are saying talkless understand the Idea of a God or satan or any supernatural forces we believe in.

For the record, kids believe the idea of a supreme God and that automatically makes the claim of us being born atheists a wrong notion.

Cc: seun, johnnydon, hahn, akintom, jackbizze, deepsights, pastoraio, sarrasin, agentofAllah
Did you hear the scriptures, regardless of wealth, position, business acumen, ability to talk boldly, intelligence, it says 'only a fool says there is no God' and God is too big to answer any man that questions His greatness, power, wisdom...He is indeed God and wont answer any man in/according to his folly.
'he that hath an ear, let him ear'
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by enshy: 7:26am On Feb 28, 2017
enshy:

Did you hear the scriptures, regardless of wealth, position, business acumen, ability to talk boldly, intelligence, it says 'only a fool says there is no God' and God is too big to answer any man that questions His greatness, power, wisdom...He is indeed God and wont answer any man in/according to his folly.
'he that hath an ear, let him ear'
Jesus loves everyone; please give him a thought!
You will surely not deny at Judgment seat that you were not told...Please I beg of you all 'give God place i your heart'
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by enshy: 7:27am On Feb 28, 2017
enshy:

Did you hear the scriptures, regardless of wealth, position, business acumen, ability to talk boldly, intelligence, it says 'only a fool says there is no God' and God is too big to answer any man that questions His greatness, power, wisdom...He is indeed God and wont answer any man in/according to his folly.
'he that hath an ear, let him ear'
Jesus loves everyone; please give him a thought!
You will surely not deny at Judgment seat that you were not told...Please I beg of you all 'give God place in your heart'
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Zeinymira(f): 7:46am On Feb 28, 2017
grin grin grin grin murmuring like a ghost Ke. This is serious o. I got scared easily as a child too.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by AgentOfAllah: 7:46am On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:
I've been studying kids these days, i wanted to know if really they believe in some sort of supernatural powers or something, then i remember as a kid, i often get scared whenever its dark— it's always like some forces are coming to carry me away, and so because of that, i remember I'm always holding on tightly to my dad whenever its dark,and in Most cases whenever there's no light, what could have warranted this fear? i don't know.
Here you prove that kids can be afraid of the dark. Nothing new! Even adults are afraid of the dark! It's a vestige of our evolutionary reflexes from times we lacked the night vision advantage that our nocturnal predators had. Darkness impairs our most useful senses and leaves us vulnerable.

there's this niece or mine that's quite stubborn. she will be 2 by July , although she's not a coward like me as a kid, she doesn't get scared whenever its dark, but she did something that made me conclude that kids believe in some sort of higher forces in our world.

Last week, i was studying in my room, her mum was in her room sleeping, and while she was playing, she just went to the backyard, i could see her from my window, i notice she was going to play with water and so i shouted her name to desist from going there, she couldn't see me, but she knows i was the one — being a stubborn girl, instead of her to go back, she just smiled to my calling and went ahead to play with the water. I shouted at her again, this time, she was just laughing at me. Then i decided to be murmuring like a ghost, this time, she got terrified, she was so scared that she started running back inside. She started crying loudly at the same time and woke her sleeping mum. The mum asked who beat her, she couldn't talk, all she did was hug her.

This got me thinking, this is a girl that can barely talk nor understand clearly what you are saying talkless understand the Idea of a God or satan or any supernatural forces we believe in.

Here, you have shown that kids are comfortable with familiarity, and can quickly get uncomfortable when an unexpected, unfamiliar perturbation affects their safe place. Your voice may have sounded scary, but it most definitely did not sound like ghost murmurings since you've probably never heard a ghost murmur before, so this is pure speculation. There are many perfectly natural phenomena that can make scary sounds which kids are hard wired to fear, and you just may have hit one of those frequencies. Especially, you underestimate the imaginative creativity of a 2 year old!

For the record, kids believe the idea of a supreme God and that automatically makes the claim of us being born atheists a wrong notion.
Your conclusion is faulty. It does not follow from your limited observations. Moreover, there is a 2014 study1 by K. Corriveau et al., which disproves the notion that kids are hardwired to be religious.

In conclusion, you have made some well-known observations about human behaviour, which are robustly addressed by evolutionary biology and attempted to link these to the idea of a supreme god. You have not made clear how the fear of darkness or of strange sounds (which you purport, without evidence, to be ghost murmurs) imply belief in a supreme god. You may want to reformulate the procedure of your experiments and come up with a more appropriate conclusion than this shoddy job.

1 K. H. Corriveau, E. E. Chen, and P. L. Harris, "Judgments About Fact and Fiction by Children From Religious and Nonreligious Backgrounds," Cognitive Science, vol. 39, pp. 353-382, 2015.

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by hopefulLandlord: 9:47am On Feb 28, 2017
^^Thread Closed
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 9:54am On Feb 28, 2017
Zeinymira:
grin grin grin grin murmuring like a ghost Ke. This is serious o. I got scared easily as a child too.

Too much nollywood movies you know grin grin

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Seun(m): 1:24pm On Feb 28, 2017
It's difficult to imagine what made the OP think that his ability to scare a toddler implies that "kids believe the idea of a supreme God"

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Nobody: 2:29pm On Feb 28, 2017
God exist bro. Let the atheist live in their ignorance. Even when something frightens them, you will hear them screaming God or Jesus. Sometimes they even spend time thinking whether there is a God or not. I pity them so much. I just pray that they will encounter God and they will know how foolish they had been.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 3:43pm On Feb 28, 2017
AgentOfAllah:


Here, you have shown that kids are comfortable with familiarity, and can quickly get uncomfortable when an unexpected, unfamiliar perturbation affects their safe place. Your voice may have sounded scary, but it most definitely did not sound like ghost murmurings since you've probably never heard a ghost murmur before, so this is pure speculation.


No doubt, I goofed here, thanks for correcting me. I've never seen a ghost to have make such ridiculous assumption about their sounds, my assumption was based on nollywood movies. Lol. In short, i made some sort of scary sound, which i am certain you got my point clearly.

There are many perfectly natural phenomena that can make scary sounds which kids are hard wired to fear, and you just may have hit one of those frequencies. Especially, you underestimate the imaginative creativity of a 2 year old!


From the article: By the age of 2, a child's imagination kicks into gear as she imagines things she can't see, which opens the door to fear of the dark and monsters.

My points is where do these imagination come from?

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by pablobellins(m): 4:03pm On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:
My points is where do these imagination come from?
I would like for this question to b answered... where are the atheist?

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Empiree: 5:15pm On Feb 28, 2017
I have alwyas thought "AgentofAllah" was muslim until now. undecided

Does he mind telling us how he acquired his moniker?
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by tintingz(m): 5:24pm On Feb 28, 2017
Junia:
God exist bro. Let the atheist live in their ignorance. Even when something frightens them, you will hear them screaming God or Jesus. Sometimes they even spend time thinking whether there is a God or not. I pity them so much. I just pray that they will encounter God and they will know how foolish they had been.

@bolded are agnostic, people that are still doubting the existence of God.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by tintingz(m): 5:30pm On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:



My points is where do these imagination come from?
Cartoons, like scoobydoo and fairytale cartoons.

While some kids watch scary movies with thier parents, I can remember some scary nollywood movies that gave me nightmares for days as a kid.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 5:52pm On Feb 28, 2017
tintingz:
Cartoons, like scoobydoo and fairytale cartoons.

While some kids watch scary movies with thier parents, I can remember some scary nollywood movies that gave me nightmares for days as a kid.

This is not always true. Like i said, this little girl is not up to 2 years, she's just a year and half. And due to the nature of her mum's business, they are not always at home except Sundays, they hardly have time for TVs talkless scary nollywood movies.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 5:54pm On Feb 28, 2017
Empiree:
I have alwyas thought "AgentofAllah" was muslim until now. undecided

Does he mind telling us how he acquired his moniker?

He used to be a Muslim before he turned atheist.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Empiree: 6:02pm On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:


He used to be a Muslim before he turned atheist.
Ha i see. If you want to know if he is truly atheist, buy him a plane ticket. When he reaches 35000 above sea level, instruct pilot to nose dive the plane and see how "agentofAllah" would scream God God God to rescue him kiss kiss

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by tintingz(m): 6:30pm On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:


This is not always true. Like i said, this little girl is not up to 2 years, she's just a year and half. And due to the nature of her mum's business, they are not always at home except Sundays, they hardly have time for TVs talkless scary nollywood movies.
At age 2 kids are awear of their environment, they grab things very fast, so society also play a role in this, like telling them stories.

At least she will see some cartoons, movies in school, neighbors, family place.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by MutantMetahuman: 8:37pm On Feb 28, 2017
My 1.2years old nephew is super scared of car wiper sound. There must be god

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by jmichlins(m): 8:47pm On Feb 28, 2017
You are in Nigeria where there's darkness at night because of epileptic power supply. Light up everywhere let's see why the kids will be scared at night. Fyi, the ear is way too scared than every other part of the body.



Meanwhile fear has been a wonderful tool to coerce people into believing in God. Hell readily comes to mind

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Seun(m): 8:51pm On Feb 28, 2017
MutantMetahuman:
My 1.2years old nephew is super scared of car wiper sound. There must be god
Yea, it boggles the mind. Rilwayne001 should be ashamed of himself. I admire AgentOfAllah for having the patience to explain why it's wrong.

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 9:07pm On Feb 28, 2017
Seun:

Yea, it boggles the mind. Rilwayne001 should be ashamed of himself. .

Ashamed of myself for saying my observation about kids
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rilwayne001: 9:09pm On Feb 28, 2017
tintingz:
At age 2 kids are awear of their environment, they grab things very fast, so society also play a role in this, like telling them stories.

At least she will see some cartoons, movies in school, neighbors, family place.


Okay.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Emusan(m): 10:49pm On Feb 28, 2017
Rilwayne001:


Ashamed of myself for saying my observation about kids

Don't mind egbon Seun, I don't know when personal observation becomes a problem as if he never had any before.

@OP, Children can get scared of anything even something an adult will consider meaningless.

But the truth is, saying we are all born Atheist is the most ridiculous thing any Atheist can come up with because children as they are known for are all operating in a realm that is far beyond any mature mind to comprehend.

The funny and most interesting part is even children don't know any think like Atheist do exist.

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by originalKsp(m): 11:41pm On Feb 28, 2017
You see the problem with religion and atheism is that religioous people are divided and against each other, we only "speak in one voice" when attacking atheists. If Children were not born atheists then which god/God idea were they born with? Why is it that they grow up to take up the religion of people around them and not the one they were born with?

See, I think we were born without knowlwdge of any religion or God, we grow up to acquire religion. Just as no one is born with knowledge of physics but acquires it. Religion is not an inborn talent like singing or drawing.

But if there is any other prove for your claim except for the op, I will be glad to know.

#Shalom

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Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Rrankdonga(m): 11:56pm On Feb 28, 2017
Empiree:
Ha i see. If you want to know if he is truly atheist, buy him a plane ticket. When he reaches 35000 above sea level, instruct pilot to nose dive the plane and see how "agentofAllah" would scream God God God to rescue him kiss kiss
this is nonsense! When he screams God........ Are you saying God will show up? Please there is no God.
Re: We Are Not Born Atheist by Empiree: 12:19am On Mar 01, 2017
Rrankdonga:
this is nonsense! When he screams God........ Are you saying God will show up? Please there is no God.
Where is your brain sir?

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