I'm talking about the father

In the midst of all the horrible events of the past few days,there's still some silver lining- He(Muttalab Snr) seems to have limited the damage on Nigeria's largely sunken reputaion,because talk is now primarily focused on why the US intelligence agencies never acted on the information he provided.

If all parents could be as vigilant as he was ,we wouldn't have this much terrorism,because every terrorist ultimately comes from a family .

Well done sir.

Story. . .

Noise!

but its true.
how many fathers will do that ?

most Naija parents would turn to miracle pastors and prayer houses. How many parents have reported their sons who are involved in campus cultism to authorities?

adconline:

most Naija parents would turn to miracle pastors and prayer houses. How many parents have reported their sons who are involved in campus cultism to authorities?

With high level of illiteracy, what do you expect? Besides, what will the authorities do? Are you happy for your kid to be whipped into confession? Or beaten to death by the same authorities?

ElRazur:

With high level of illiteracy, what do you expect? Besides, what will the authorities do? Are you happy for your kid to be whipped into confession? Or beaten to death by the same authorities?

that simply makes the father of the suspect a brave man. i commend him.

Sam Milla:

that simply makes the father of the suspect a brave man. i commend him.

That is one way to look at it. The other view is that he may have done it to deflect attention away from his poor parental skills. Perhaps he was guilty? Perhaps he had a bigger motive? There a lot of views. All I am saying is that not a lot of parents are keen letting the authorities deal with their kids - Not in Nigeria anyway.

ElRazur:

That is one way to look at it. The other view is that he may have done it to deflect attention away from his poor parental skills. Perhaps he was guilty? Perhaps he had a bigger motive? There a lot of views. All I am saying is that not a lot of parents are keen letting the authorities deal with their kids - Not in Nigeria anyway.

i see your point but we can only look at it that way if we want to cover every possible angle.
I believe that no one will try to divert attention from his son by alerting the authorities, who in turn included his name on the watchlist or no-fly-list.
I also believe the man knew long ago that his son has become a terrorist and that was why he simply reported him.

Abdulmuttalab was a former Terrorist trying to save himself, he knew that Guantanamo Bay await him,

illusion2:

I'm talking about the father

In the midst of all the horrible events of the past few days,there's still some silver lining- He(Muttalab Snr) seems to have limited the damage on Nigeria's largely sunken reputaion,because talk is now primarily focused on why the US intelligence agencies never acted on the information he provided.

If all parents could be as vigilant as he was ,we wouldn't have this much terrorism,because every terrorist ultimately comes from a family .

Well done sir.

Sam Milla:


I also believe the man knew long ago that his son has become a terrorist and that was why he simply reported him.

His son wasn't a terrorist until Dec 25. Prior to that, the dad was more or less concern that he is becoming radicalised, and may be potentially feeble minded - an ideal recipe  for those who can use him as a terrorist.

ElRazur:

His son wasn't a terrorist until Dec 25. Prior to that, the dad was more or less concern that he is becoming radicalised, and may be potentially feeble minded - an ideal recipe  for those who can use him as a terrorist.

this is more like American style. we do not really have to wait until they bomb a plane before branding them terrorists.

when you travel to Yemen and preach how to kill the west, destroy western interests, forget western education, bomb America and so on,
To me, you are already a terrorist.Americans are waiting for Boko Haram to bomb their Embassy in Abuja before branding them terrorist.
No i dont agree with you that he became a terrorist on dec 25. He just attempted to bomb a plane on dec 25.

Sam Milla:

this is more like American style. we do not really have to wait until they bomb a plane before branding them terrorists.

when you travel to Yemen and preach how to kill the west, destroy western interests, forget western education, bomb America and so on,
To me, you are already a terrorist.Americans are waiting for Boko Haram to bomb their Embassy in Abuja before branding them terrorist.
No i dont agree with you that he became a terrorist on dec 25. He just attempted to bomb a plane on dec 25.

Oga. In my humble opinion, that is incorrect. How would you feel if the US picked him just on the basis of the reports his father made? It would been seen as "western ignorance" and the muslims would claim it is an attack on Islam blah blah blah. As a result, I am of the belief of "evidence" and "weight of evidence/proof". That is how most courts and judicial system works across the world.

We do not know if he preached in yemen, but evidences suggest he was there for an amount of time where it is believed to have become radicalised.

Again he became a terrorist on that date, as he committed the act of terror, but thank goodness he failed.

You have your point up there but then how about
HIS NAME WAS ON THE WATCH LIST, NO FLY LIST.
Why didn't they give him extra search ?

We must not allow things to escalate before taking necessary actions.



One super advantage the muslim fanatics presented to west is that when captured/arrested for questioning,

THEY NEVER DENY THEIR INTENTIONS TO DESTROY AMERICA.
They are usually brainwashed to the extent of believing everything they were told.

That should be a good thing for everybody.

That is one way to look at it. The other view is that he may have done it to deflect attention away from his poor parental skills. Perhaps he was guilty? Perhaps he had a bigger motive? There a lot of views. All I am saying is that not a lot of parents are keen letting the authorities deal with their kids - Not in Nigeria anyway

I do not think that bad parenting played any role. This spoit terrorist is 23 yrs, so he is  free to do what he wishes and he chose destruction of lives. US Supreme Court Judge, Anthony Scalia is the strictest of all the judges and you could imagine his parenting skills, but his daughter , Ann S. Banaszewski  was ticketed for drunk driving.

Another factor that's being overlooked is the culture of impunity and religious intolerance in core Northern Nigeria? No prominent figure or sponsor of religious uprisings in the north has ever been fully prosecuted. He thrived in  a region where it was OK to kill people of other faiths. He lived in a region where prominent people sponsored attacks against folks of other religion. He lived amongst  folks who silently and latently rejoiced that people of other religions were massacred. He lived in a country when OBJ insulted a CAN president ( can my foot episode) for daring to ask him why he responded after Christians had been killed? He lived in a country where a governor of his state ( Senator Ahmed Mohammed Makarfi) whose under watch that so many Christians were killed and  got re-elected as a governor and still serving as a Senator in the Nigerian NASS. He lived in a region where perpetrators of religious violence were/are rewarded with better political,social and economic appointments. He lived in a country where  it's customary to tender a Federal Government apology to Muslims after having gone a killing rampage against people of other faiths. He lived in a country where its normal  to say “ we do not want to offend Muslim sensibilities” even when the crises might have been originated from Muslim adherents. He belonged to a region where religious conflicts always emanated from extremists like him.

Sam Milla:

You have your point up there but then how about
HIS NAME WAS ON THE WATCH LIST, NO FLY LIST.
Why didn't they give him extra search ?

We must not allow things to escalate before taking necessary actions.

Watch list is a low priority.  He was on that one and not the "no fly list"

As I am speaking to you right now, Obama is on tv condemning the security serives of the US of A, he stated that it is not good enough and have ordered two reviews. The bottom line is that US security services may have seen him as not enough threat - things are based on evidence etc hence why he was able to get on a plane.

I should also point out that a "watch list" is not not an automatic denial of flying into the US.

ElRazur:


Watch list is a low priority.  He was on that one and not the "no fly list"

As I am speaking to you right now, Obama is on tv condemning the security serives of the US of A, he stated that it is not good enough and have ordered two reviews. The bottom line is that US security services may have seen him as not enough threat - things are based on evidence etc hence why he was able to get on a plane.

I should also point out that a "watch list" is not not an automatic denial of flying into the US.

well look at what it got us Nigerians.

Plus watch list i believe means WATCH LIST. WATCH.SEARCH. BE CAREFUL WITH.
everything about watch this person, he is dangerous. simple.


@adconline, well said

adconline:


I do not think that bad parenting played any role. This spoit terrorist is 23 yrs, so he is  free to do what he wishes and he chose destruction of lives. US Supreme Court Judge, Anthony Scalia is the strictest of all the judges and you could imagine his parenting skills, but his daughter , Ann S. Banaszewski  was ticketed for drunk driving.

The statement I was making was asking a question [sorry should have been a question mark at the end]. I was merely trying to give loads of reasons as to why he may have opted to report him to the authorities.

When it comes to rich people, it is a well known that they hardly have the time for their kids, especially those who have active careers. My friend is a Doctor, but he hardly stays home to see his kids etc. It is well known that their lack of parental input [be it dad or mum] can lead to them [children] going wayward.

Another factor that's being overlooked is the culture of impunity and religious intolerance in core Northern Nigeria? No prominent figure or sponsor of religious uprisings in the north has ever been fully prosecuted. He thrived in  a region where it was OK to kill people of other faiths. He lived in a region where prominent people sponsored attacks against folks of other religion. He lived amongst  folks who silently and patently rejoiced that people of other religions were massacred. He lived in a country when OBJ insulted a CAN president ( can my foot episode) for daring to ask him why he responded after Christians had been killed? He lived in a country where a governor of his state ( Senator Ahmed Mohammed Makarfi) whose under watch that so many Christians were killed and  got re-elected as a governor and still serving as a Senator in the Nigerian NASS. He lived in a region where perpetrators of religious violence were/are rewarded with better political,social and economic appointments. He lived in a country where  it's customary to tender a Federal Government apology to Muslims after having gone a killing rampage against people of other faiths. He lived in a country where its normal  to say “ we do not want to offend Muslim sensibilities” even when the crises might have been originated from Muslim adherents. He belonged to a region where religious conflicts always emanated from extremists like him.

I agree, you have painted a short simple piece of how Nigeria is. That is why people people like me have a belief that we are backward [Don't care if anyone gets upset].

Sam Milla:

well look at what it got us Nigerians.

Plus watch list i believe means WATCH LIST. WATCH.SEARCH. BE CAREFUL WITH.
everything about watch this person, he is dangerous. simple.


@adconline, well said

I honestly have no clue as to how the watch list is implemented, but I am guessing you ain't far from it. The thing that have come to light is that information wasn't shared, hence why he was not given extra security checks etc. Having said that, expect the security levels to go up and stay so for years to come.

ElRazur:


I honestly have no clue as to how the watch list is implemented, but I am guessing you ain't far from it. The thing that have come to light is that information wasn't shared, hence why he was not given extra security checks etc. Having said that, expect the security levels to go up and stay so for years to come.

its already up. i mean security. i have witnessed several issues yesterday and today.
checking in online as usual with easy jet and ryan air.
I usually do it all the time i am fly around here. today i tried and got bounced as soon as I entered Nigerian Passport.
SOMEONE COMPLAINED ON FACEBBOK ABOUT THAT, SO I TRIED .
Thus my anger.

I think I agree with the poster ,the story would indeed have been different if the father hadn't initially reported to our intelligence authorities & the US .

Also I don't think we need to brand the father a bad parent,afterall Farouk was the last of 16 children. . . . . if the other 15 had been involved in something like this then ,he has questions to answer on his parenting abilities,otherwise free him.

Everyone prays for their children to grow up properly.

Having 16 kids makes questioning his parental abilities even more. It is because of reason like this we have family planning introduced in Nigeria.

16 kids? Come on now, I am trying to play it out in my head - His career, his works, his wives and time for his kids? - It is just not adding up.

I won't be surprised if most of the kids are bundled away to boarding schools.

We all should be proud of the actions of Abdulmuttalab, the father. His action should have prevented the act carried out by his son, if US agencies had done their jobs,

(CNN) -- The[b] father [/b] of terrorism suspect Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab talked about his son's extremist views with someone from the CIA and a report was prepared, but the report was not circulated outside the agency, a reliable source told CNN's Jeanne Meserve on Tuesday.

Had that information been shared, the 23-year-old Nigerian who is alleged to have bungled an attempt to blow up a jetliner as it was landing in Detroit, Michigan, on Christmas Day might have been denied passage on the Northwest Airlines flight, the source said.

U.S. officials said the father, a former Nigerian banker, expressed his concerns about his son's radicalization during at least one meeting and several calls with officials at the embassy in Nigeria.

The information on AbdulMutallab had been sent to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, but it sat there for five weeks and was not disseminated, the source said.

Federal authorities have charged AbdulMutallab with trying to detonate explosives hidden in his underwear as the flight from Amsterdam, Netherlands, made its final approach to Detroit. The device failed to fully detonate, instead setting off a fire at his seat

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/29/airline.terror.cia/index.html

Al-Qaeda ‘groomed Abdulmutallab in London’

The Christmas Day airline bomb plot suspect organised a conference under the banner “War on Terror Week” as he immersed himself in radical politics while a student in London, The Times has learnt.

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, a former president of the Islamic Society at University College London, advertised speakers including political figures, human rights lawyers and former Guantánamo detainees.

One lecture, Jihad v Terrorism, was billed as “a lecture on the Islamic position with respect to jihad”.

Security sources are concerned that the picture emerging of his undergraduate years suggests that he was recruited by al-Qaeda in London. Security sources said that Islamist radicalisation was rife on university campuses, especially in London, and that college authorities had “a patchy record in facing up to the problem”. Previous anti-terrorist inquiries have uncovered evidence of extremists using political meetings and religious study circles to identify potential recruits.

It emerged last night that Mr Abdulmutallab featured on the periphery of one counterterrorism intelligence operation in Britain. US intelligence authorities are also looking at conversations between him and at least one al-Qaeda member.

The event he organised took place in January 2007 and included talks on Guantánamo Bay, the alleged torture of prisoners and the War on Terror.

He is the fourth president of a London student Islamic society to face terrorist charges in three years. One is facing a retrial on charges that he was involved in the 2006 liquid bomb plot to blow up airliners. Two others have been convicted of terrorist offences since 2007.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6971098.ece?&EMC-Bltn=DAOBX1F

If we have a President, a leader in this country, thenoise he should be making all over the Nes station like CNN, BBC etc is that the father gave intelligence information and warn the rightful authorities and that action is unNigerian , and Nigerians shoul not be looked t in that light.

Unfortunately, we don't have a President and a leader but bunch of thieves and liars so they don't even have any moral authority.

I prayed that someone will keep this information in forefront like OBAMA did to say that Nigerians are not in any shape or form has anything to do with that terrorist guy.

The question is what are we as citizen or even Nigerian govt supposed to do when we have information regarding 'a suspicious person' other than to inform appopriate authorities, in this case the Americans in particular, and I think Nigerian should be commended especially the father.

Hopefully, the press in America and the UK will report to say that is not a Nigerian thing but more like YEMEN, that a young naive man who happen to be a Nigerian citizen was brainwashed and use for a despicable act, thank God, it did not succed.

The only guilt is that Nigerian security agencies don't appear to have terrorist lists to work from? and a President without a clue.

@vigasimple:you are very right.

Nigeria has no direction at the moment & the president is still insisting that he won't step down or hand over,this is really unfortunate. And because all political 'leaders' in abuja  have their pockets lined with corruption,no one can say anything.

Thi kind of problem requires all hands to be on deck with proper communication-pushing the blame unto

1. UK(where he got radicalized),

2. Yemen(where he was equipped) ,

3. Netherlands(where he was allowed to board the US bound plane) and finally

4. USA(where actionable intelligence was not actioned).

Well done Alhaji !

He's really a hero.

sharia has nothing to with being a terrorist,

illusion2:

@vigasimple:you are very right.

Nigeria has no direction at the moment & the president is still insisting that he won't step down or hand over,this is really unfortunate. And because all political 'leaders' in abuja  have their pockets lined with corruption,no one can say anything.

Thi kind of problem requires all hands to be on deck with proper communication-pushing the blame unto

1. UK(where he got radicalized),

2. Yemen(where he was equipped) ,

3. Netherlands(where he was allowed to board the US bound plane) and finally

4. USA(where actionable intelligence was not actioned).

Well done Alhaji !

right on what else can a father or a Nigerian do?

and the press is making it about yemen and alqaeda there NOT, Nigeria

Quite sad. . . .

illusion2:

Quite sad. . . .

Whats sad ?