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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by alezzy13: 10:51am On Apr 28, 2017
Ugosample:


At least, you have admitted that indeed, the punch article was nothing but piece of shit, that's a good one

Nobody is saying that Jonathan was a messiah, but see who we chased him away for?

Two years now, and his government is still going in no direction like a rudderless ship on the sea.
Anyone who does not see that is not sincere

My submission for about a year now is that BOTH GEJ and PMB have no business running the country.

The high hopes I had for GEJ - which was why I supported in him in 2011 when he won with a landslide - were unceremoniously dashed when I saw the direction the country was headed. Yes he made some modest gains infrastructure-wise and particularly in Agric, but when compared with the funds at his disposal, conservatively put at 51trillion (the highest of any president so far), he should have done much MUCH better. Added of course where the very disturbing allegation of corruption under his watch.

PMB of course has not fared any better. Yes, I will concede he seems to be enjoying a rather prolonged honeymoon with Nigerians, a fact that was recently highlighted by Economist in a recent article, but then again, when you compare the funds his predecessor had, you may see why pepole have chosen to be a little more patient with him.
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Beetobee(f): 11:01am On Apr 28, 2017
Sultannayef:
Whoever wrote this shit is a s/he goat.
Is that your best?
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Okeji(m): 11:11am On Apr 28, 2017
Sultannayef:
Whoever wrote this shit is a s/he goat.
On d contrary, u r d one who need to examing ur brain for ur shallow minded reasoning.....
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by vintage01: 11:18am On Apr 28, 2017
Nwachineke1980:
'Jonathan is corrupt'but he does not own a university.GEJ is corrupt but he does not own a farm as big as a local government.GEJ is corrupt but he does not own a presidential library.GEJ is corrupt but he does not own a hilltop mansion
.Ibori stole money and ran to Dubai ,yet the UK police was able to present documents,which were used for his extradition to the UK.Why can't the EFCC do the same thing on Diziani?Truth b told Nigeria was a better country under GEJ than Buhari

Sir, you are a nincompoop. What about the billions of dollars that were frittered away under his watch? Nigeria earned more petrodollars, borrowed more under that clueless one and the didinrin left the country worse than he met it.

How can you defend such a guy? Hear yourself....he has no university, yet the excess crude account was milked from 22 billion to 2.2 billion in a period when crude oil sold for 120 dollars and the highest benchmark of oil in the budget was $75??

Ask yourself...Obasanjo that built those reserves when oil price averaged $40 billion, was he a fool? This same Obasanjo paid off the countries debt in his time from the meagre oil price?

Yet the man that has no university to his name, came afterwards, desaved all the savings, spent the excess income earned, plundered the excess crude account, with nothing to show for it.

Enough said!

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Odimson69: 11:21am On Apr 28, 2017
Tribal sentiment on display. Jonathan is far better than your baba.admit your mess

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Lordsocrates: 11:40am On Apr 28, 2017
rose54321:


Don't mind them, forming deaf and dumb when anything relates to Buhari.
Imagine, NO news agency is taking about the Ikoyi funds, none.

NO news agency is asking why we have a ' work from home ' president who we haven't seen in week, none.

But when it was Dasuki gate, omo see headlines daily.

It just as Trump will say "FAKE NEWS".

how Dumb are you guys ? Ikpyi millions is being investigated by house of reps, Ikoyi billions is being investigated by The Presidency but you dumb asses won't see that, just too beclouded to think out of your shitty hate filled minds.. spits

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by LordOfNaira: 11:49am On Apr 28, 2017
Goddex:
PUNCH are shameless liars for claiming that "Jonathan left no new signature infrastructure project"

Let me remind PUNCH:

1) GEJ built 14 brand new Federal Universities in Ekiti, Lokoja, Nasarawa, Bayelsa, Ebonyi, Taraba, Gombe, Yobe, Jigawa, Katsina, Delta, Zamfara and Kebbi

2) GEJ built three brand new Federal Polytechnics in Bonny, Kaduna and Ondo states

3) GEJ built all the current best roads in Nigeria

• Benin - Ore - Ijebu Ode expressways

• Abuja - Lokoja expressways

• 10-lanes expressways from National
Stadium - Airport - Gwagwalada

• 10-lanes expressways from AY - Maitama
- Kubwa - Zuba

• Cameroon-Ikom-Abakaliki-Enugu Highway

• East - West road

4) Abuja city rail system

5) Abuja - Kaduna modern rail system


I can go on and on and on . . . .

It would have been better if you wrote that Goodluck made our existing universities and polythecnics world class. Is there any sense in building more institutions when it is obvious that the existing ones are poorly managed and their workers are being owed?

You talk about roads and roads... what solid infrastures were left behind The man was so irresponsible that he signed everything that was brought before him even without reading them. He signed the bill to lift the ban on toothpick importation without even reading it. How more can one be irresponsible No wonder he was shocked to see the amount that was stolen under him.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by AK481(m): 11:59am On Apr 28, 2017
This thread is to appease the Cso of Adi rock that chased their correspondents away last week.


Nonsense write up from punch
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Nobody: 12:27pm On Apr 28, 2017
Goddex:
PUNCH are shameless liars for claiming that "Jonathan left no new signature infrastructure project"

Let me remind PUNCH:

1) GEJ built 14 brand new Federal Universities in Ekiti, Lokoja, Nasarawa, Bayelsa, Ebonyi, Taraba, Gombe, Yobe, Jigawa, Katsina, Delta, Zamfara and Kebbi

2) GEJ built three brand new Federal Polytechnics in Bonny, Kaduna and Ondo states

3) GEJ built all the current best roads in Nigeria

• Benin - Ore - Ijebu Ode expressways

• Abuja - Lokoja expressways

• 10-lanes expressways from National
Stadium - Airport - Gwagwalada

• 10-lanes expressways from AY - Maitama
- Kubwa - Zuba

• Cameroon-Ikom-Abakaliki-Enugu Highway

• East - West road

4) Abuja city rail system

5) Abuja - Kaduna modern rail system


I can go on and on and on . . . .
Stop speaking as though the projects were executed with Johnathan's private fund. It's more than glaring that the man was very corrupt. APC, PDP, whatever, I belong to none. Please let's just try to cast sentiments aside and speak the truth.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by texazzpete(m): 12:52pm On Apr 28, 2017
This thread is a succinct representation of the travails of Nigeria under the terribly mediocre GEJ.

Only compromised sycophants, imbeciles, tax-dodgers and ethnic bigots can have any issue with it.


Unfortunately, some worms here only see the world through a 'GEJ vs Buhari' or 'APC vs PDP' lens, so they seem to think this article is exonerating Buhari by damning GEJ.

If you're a responsible taxpayer and you don't understand that GEJ did a shabby job as President, you need to get your head checked. And if you don't realize that this statement does not simultaneously say Buhari is a good President, your village is missing its local idiot.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Jesusloveyou: 1:04pm On Apr 28, 2017
locosis007:
ALL OUR EX PRESIDENTS ARE NOW AUTHORS OF ONE BOOK OR THE OTHER.

LEAVING BEHIND DIVISIVE LEGACIES.

DIVIDING 9JA WITH CERTAIN LINE OF CRONYISM , TRIBALISM ETC

I think the greatest of Goodluck Jonathan lies in "Stealing isn't corruption". under such outlandish recovery of illicit funds during his regime, GEJ ought to have been living in shame within Nigerian and the international community

ON OTHER HAND.
I think GEJ govt left some cluelessness behind for Buhari govt to inherit, Buhari govt are still fighting the cluelessness uptill now
yes you are right,
The cluelessness of ineffectual buffoon led to this jaga jaga in this govt we are seeing today.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Ugosample(m): 1:12pm On Apr 28, 2017
alezzy13:


My submission for about a year now is that BOTH GEJ and PMB have no business running the country.

The high hopes I had for GEJ - which was why I supported in him in 2011 when he won with a landslide - were unceremoniously dashed when I saw the direction the country was headed. Yes he made some modest gains infrastructure-wise and particularly in Agric, but when compared with the funds at his disposal, conservatively put at 51trillion (the highest of any president so far), he should have done much MUCH better. Added of course where the very disturbing allegation of corruption under his watch.

PMB of course has not fared any better. Yes, I will concede he seems to be enjoying a rather prolonged honeymoon with Nigerians, a fact that was recently highlighted by Economist in a recent article, but then again, when you compare the funds his predecessor had, you may see why pepole have chosen to be a little more patient with him.

A balanced view
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by Jesusloveyou: 1:16pm On Apr 28, 2017
AK481:
This thread is to appease the Cso of Adi rock that chased their correspondents away last week.


Nonsense write up from punch
this is how newspaper suppose to write,
Unbiase, objectivism and patriotic truth.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by authenticman(m): 2:37pm On Apr 28, 2017
Sultannayef:
Whoever wrote this shit is a s/he goat.

How are you a s/hegoat?
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by pheesayor(m): 2:52pm On Apr 28, 2017
All these are inherited projects, just the way Buhari is also continuing inherited projects. As for the universities, yes he started them but the development is continuous
Goddex:
PUNCH are shameless liars for claiming that "Jonathan left no new signature infrastructure project"

Let me remind PUNCH:

1) GEJ built 14 brand new Federal Universities in Ekiti, Lokoja, Nasarawa, Bayelsa, Ebonyi, Taraba, Gombe, Yobe, Jigawa, Katsina, Delta, Zamfara and Kebbi

2) GEJ built three brand new Federal Polytechnics in Bonny, Kaduna and Ondo states

3) GEJ built all the current best roads in Nigeria

• Benin - Ore - Ijebu Ode expressways

• Abuja - Lokoja expressways

• 10-lanes expressways from National
Stadium - Airport - Gwagwalada

• 10-lanes expressways from AY - Maitama
- Kubwa - Zuba

• Cameroon-Ikom-Abakaliki-Enugu Highway

• East - West road

4) Abuja city rail system

5) Abuja - Kaduna modern rail system


I can go on and on and on . . . .
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by austinvsb1(m): 4:19pm On Apr 28, 2017
Ugosample:



YOU are the unintelligent person here


You did not address the points he raised, but you are rambling like an slowpoke


Address the points he raised, or point out anyone that is a lie there, then let's see

I'm gonn take a step back and explain things to you with the hope that somehow you have any iota of intelligence to pick my points up.

How does any of the points you raised with your other moniker (yeah I know) correlate with the points the article laid out? That article was riddled with discussion items that could span through at least 20 pages of arguments and counter arguments without DEFLECTION. Rather than do that though, the cheap and obvious tactic of false equivalency and WHATABOUTISM was unintelligently employed by you.

In your very warped view of the world, it isnt possible to disagree with 2 different things at the same time. Thus, the author has to hate jonathan and love Buhari for him/her to have laid bare the ridiculousness of the jonathan regime that robbed unborn generations of any expected good life.

I wouldnt go out of a limb and call you a verydumb individual cause something tells me you know your 1 from your 2 and are only employed for disinforming gullible nigerians with obvious propaganda tactics.

Like I said earlier, I hope you are intelligent enough to understand any of this.
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by marv1: 5:51pm On Apr 28, 2017
This writer really finished GEJ the victim card player who can not be responsible for his actions but keep blaming others till eternity........

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by rlauncher(m): 7:58pm On Apr 28, 2017
Tazdroid:
I think Jonathan's a good man but not a stern one when it came to public office. If he took the anti corruption war head on, he probably would have gotten a special honorary third term and Baba would have been relaxing somewhere far away from Aso Rock

How can you call Jonathan a good man. Please tell me, if you employ someone to do a project for you, and the person wasted the funds you gave him for the project. When you confront him, he says it is not his fault, but that of the boys working for him. Would you consider that contractor a good man, after wasting your money and the project left undone.

Won't you call in the police to arrest that man.

I think it is high time we made Jonathan answer for all his misdeeds while in government. angry

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by BALLOSKI: 1:30am On Apr 29, 2017
DLuciano:
All this bias news media, should park off, they're also part of Nigeria's problems. How many have been bold enough to speak out on Buhari mis rule that have further worsened the nation's economy? By the time buhari is no more in government, you will be shock to see the kind of poos they will vomit. I don't blame them, "he that pays the piper dictates the tune".
counter what they wrote with facts line-by-line and not this stupid display.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by tuniski: 5:19am On Apr 29, 2017
Tazdroid:


Perhaps so, his inactions have made people see him in a different light. People have been calling for his head.

Almost everyone is waiting for the thread that reads "Former President GEJ arrested by the EFCC"
It will read former presidents and heads of state arrested by efcc including buhari!
Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by 4Play(m): 9:01am On Apr 29, 2017
texazzpete:
This thread is a succinct representation of the travails of Nigeria under the terribly mediocre GEJ.
Only compromised sycophants, imbeciles, tax-dodgers and ethnic bigots can have any issue with it.

Unfortunately, some worms here only see the world through a 'GEJ vs Buhari' or 'APC vs PDP' lens, so they seem to think this article is exonerating Buhari by damning GEJ.

If you're a responsible taxpayer and you don't understand that GEJ did a shabby job as President, you need to get your head checked. And if you don't realize that this statement does not simultaneously say Buhari is a good President, your village is missing its local idiot.

I am one of the "worms" who thinks the article is indulgent of a narrative that seeks to exonerate Buhari by damning GEJ. The article repeats the falsehood that today's economic travails are down to GEJ (it is there in the third paragraph). This line of reasoning is an oft-repeated trope of every Buhari apologist (including you) who tries to rationalise their miscalculation.

I am placed in the ignoble position of having to defend GEJ who I think was feckless, inept and in saner climes should be serving multiple life sentences. For all GEJ's faults however, he is not to blame for the state of the economy in April 2017. My gripe with articles like these is that in their deployment of yellow journalistic devices*(mistruths and exaggeration), they mis-attribute causality and help perpetuate Nigeria's multi-decade history of misrule. By claiming that GEJ was an "unmitigated disaster" who "ran the economy aground" and "despoiled all fiscal buffers", language they would never use to describe the present regime, they perpetuate the BMC narrative that Buhari is merely an unfortunate heir to today's economic travails. It is why all the BMC activists on this thread, see Jesuslovesyou's post before mine, applaud the article's contents for its "objectivity".

I have tackled the recession-causality point in previous posts so no need to rehash but it is worth pointing out the glaring incoherence of the GEJ is largely at fault argument. Think of the GEJ regime as providing contractionary pressures on GDP through its gargantuan corruption: has no one wondered why the end of that regime has not provided a stimulatory effect on the economy? It cannot be merely the oil price collapse as this was already baked into GDP figures, most of the collapse having already happened by the end of the regime.

Moving from a regime that steals aplenty to a regime that steals far less should offset some of the adverse effects of the oil price collapse- this has not happened. The article points to the import waiver as a specific example: Now that the waiver has been removed and the currency devalued officially from N155 to N305 (which, coupled with the end of the GEJ's era corruption should boost the reported Naira value of the levies paid on imports), we have learned that Customs revenue is still lower than when the "unmitigated disaster" was in charge. There is no discernible effect (not on non-oil taxes or reported oil production pre or post militants truce) which suggests that we have moved from an era of extreme corruption to an era of less corruption. The data fails to support the narrative which leads me to believe that 2 things are happening: GEJ era corruption was "sexed up" (any news on the $49/20bn Sanusi claim?) and corruption remains fairly in place.

The corruption narrative has become a red herring to excuse today's inexcusable incompetence. True, corruption impoverishes Nigerians, but bad economics also impoverish Nigerians, the latter arguably to a far greater degree. Why is the North-East of Nigeria poorer (worse in any measure of human development) than the South-East? It's certainly not because the latter are more honest/less corrupt than the former, it's bad economics exemplified by a failure to invest in human capital.

*References to GEJ's failure to diversify an already diversified economy, inaccurate claims of $2.1bn arms fund ending in private hands or forex reserves being depleted represent quintessential yellow journalism.

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Re: Jonathan’s Pathetic Apologetics - Punch Editorial Board by mikolo80: 2:14am On Apr 30, 2017
DLuciano:
All this bias news media, should park off, they're also part of Nigeria's problems. How many have been bold enough to speak out on Buhari mis rule that have further worsened the nation's economy? By the time buhari is no more in government, you will be shock to see the kind of poos they will vomit. I don't blame them, "he that pays the piper dictates the tune".
but are they lying. will you bail them when govt arrest them.?

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