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Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by asha80(m): 7:05pm On Feb 09, 2010
onye_ngbu:

Ike Nwachukwu can get votes in PDP not APGA.
For Orji Uzor kalu, everybody in nigeria (north, east, west or south) knows that he is a thief

Off course na PDP wey Ik Nwachukwu go get votes.Who in apga go vote Ik Nwachukwu?

The thing is you guys have to understand is that the power brokers in nigeria are not interested in an upright person to become the president of this country let alone an upright igbo man.All they want is someone who can PLAY BALL.

Until we kind of restructure this country guy forget it.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 7:08pm On Feb 09, 2010
I know that most of Soludo supporters are angry because they think he is a presidential material. Well, that might be true, but he would make a bad governor or president under PDP.

Since he is a visionary leader, he should go and reform APGA (that is if PDP federal govt won't hound him for it). He should reform APGA, take its campaign to all parts of Nigeria and contest for senate next year. After being in the senate for 4 years, he can contest the presidency in 2015. Nigerian politicians hate hard work, but that is what he needs to do now. He must work hard to polish a rough gem called APGA and make it a truly national party. However, if making it a national party will blur the vision, then APGA must focus on south east and win all contested positions.

I hate PDP with all its evil culture. Suddenly we are rejoicing for having a peaceful poll in Anambra state! How did we fall this low? Strange foreign cultures must be purged from our lands! angry Other Nigerians will welcome a culture of peaceful electoral contests. Yes, they will welcome APGA!
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by cheaphost: 7:10pm On Feb 09, 2010
asha 80:

Off course na PDP wey Ik Nwachukwu go get votes.Who in apga go vote Ik Nwachukwu?

The thing is you guys have to understand is that the power brokers in nigeria are not interested in an upright person to become the president of this country let alone an upright igbo man.All they want is someone who can PLAY BALL.

Until we kind of restructure this country guy forget it.

True talk.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by cheaphost: 7:13pm On Feb 09, 2010
For once in my life i wanted PDP to win simply because of Soludo. I could imagine what Soludo would do with a state like Anambra. Soludo should join APGA, who know he could be their presidential candidate for 2011.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 7:24pm On Feb 09, 2010
cheaphost:

For once in my life i wanted PDP to win simply because of Soludo. I could imagine what Soludo would do with a state like Anambra. Soludo should join APGA, who know he could be their presidential candidate for 2011.

True talk. All politics is local. If he plays his cards well, he will have the backing of millions of Igbos going into the race in 2015, and that is no mean feat. Other Nigerians already know him but he needs to reform his image and approach them on a credible platform which he must help build between now and then. I saw his campaigns, so, he is not intimidated by politics. He must invest in the right party now. PDP is a dead horse and is rotting from inside.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Afam4eva(m): 7:33pm On Feb 09, 2010
Onlytruth:

True talk. All politics is local. If he plays his cards well, he will have the backing of millions of Igbos going into the race in 2015, and that is no mean feat. Other Nigerians already know him but he needs to reform his image and approach them on a credible platform which he must help build between now and then. I saw his campaigns, so, he is not intimidated by politics. He must invest in the right party now. PDP is a dead horse and is rotting from inside.

2015? and What happened to 2011.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 7:41pm On Feb 09, 2010
afam4eva:

2015? and What happened to 2011.

When the north must have completed their 8 year turn ( a la zoning ) grin.
On a more serious note, that is to give him enough time to build the party nationally. He would need the time to organize and build a national movement.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by onyengbu1(m): 7:49pm On Feb 09, 2010
Onlytruth:

He must invest in the right party now. PDP is a dead horse and is rotting from inside.
Every party in nigeria is dead from the inside. They are all the same. They are all constituted of corrupt politicians who can decamp from APGA to PDP or AC tomorrow.

As long as that structure called PDP is still in place, ndigbo cannot go anywhere with APGA.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 8:33pm On Feb 09, 2010
onye_ngbu:

Every party in nigeria is dead from the inside. They are all the same. They are all constituted of corrupt politicians who can decamp from APGA to PDP or AC tomorrow.

As long as that structure called PDP is still in place, ndigbo cannot go anywhere with APGA.

lol, I know you must have been among those trumpeting a certain PDP victory in the last elections. I will dig up your posts to confirm it.
My Nnewi folks say that "o bu mmadu si ka edo nwere nkwo, a si ya ka onwere eke, o ya aju" translated -it is the masses that says that Edo (the chief deity or goddess in Nnewi) should own the Nkwo Nnewi market, if she (Edo) is told by the same masses to move to Eke market, she has no choice but to obey!

PDP is only as powerful as people like you give it powers. Anambra people proved that.

We can dismantle the PDP evil stronghold if we want, YES WE CAN.

We don't need to go anywhere national if we don't have good government in the south east. That is part of the PDP lies. We need to give the best government to our people, not criminals from a "national party".

I need good roads, and best social infrastructure. I don't need Nigeria's presidency if it must come from PDP.
We must reject this PDP lies of national political relevance. All the regions that have produced Nigerian presidents are not better than south east today. We need to see past this national politics lie especially if it will corrupt our way of politics and life. cool
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Eziachi: 9:41pm On Feb 09, 2010
@OnlyTruth,
It seem that you the only person who really understood the Igbo nation. I kept telling Ndigbo, especially the young generation that Igbo nation do not need presidency for anything. The more you clamour for it, the more our detractors feel it is the air we breathe.

Just look round your community in Igbo land today and ask yourself what you can observe that really come from the central government from our vast network of rural roads to rural electrification? The north is swimming in poverty today because of their obsession with Nigerian presidency.

Why can’t my Igbo brothers see that you can use the present to measure the future. How has Yar Adua being president made a northerner or even a Katsina person better off than you have been? How has 8 years of OBJ as president better the life of Yoruba’s or even his Ogun state people?  Wasn’t it during OBJ’s 8 years that Lagos state had what due to them illegally confiscated? I rather have a thousand Igbo young minds starting their own business today than an Igbo president, who will be there trying to impress those that put him there, more than anything else.

PDP always sell this lies and propaganda of being a national party but they cannot point to anything Igbo as a nation has gained being involved with PDP, except for personal positions of few individuals with benefit of their immediate families.
Ndigbo need visionary party now and not the so-called national party and APGA can fulfil it if Victor Ume knew what he is doing and I dont think he does. I really think that Okoroe was better equiped than him as a leader but then again Okorie sold himself to the devil and destroyed himself.

  Those that think that PDP is undefeatable are just jokers based on what happened in Edo twice recently and Anambra now.  Soludo should join APGA and go for senate and Ngige too should contest for senate under AC, they will both win without any fuss.

UPN was able to introduce a free education/health programme in the whole of the West, plus old Bendel because they believe in the same ideal and not because they national party rogue NPN use to claim then.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 10:02pm On Feb 09, 2010
I hear you bro Eziachi!

APGA needs urgent leadership reform. Obi should invite Soludo to join APGA. APGA already has a solid base in Igboland. They just need to put in the hard work of wooing the best leadership materials in Igboland. Credible candidates must be wooed away from PDP. We know who the thieves are in Igboland and they will not survive in APGA.

The Ikemba must not retire yet. We need him to continue giving iron to the spines of APGA. The very nature of PDP will make even an angel fail in leadership. PDP -a party of "come and eat" cannot save Ndigbo.
I don't know Victor Umeh (APGA national chairman) but he has failed to grow APGA beyond Anambra state.
This is an opportunity for a more capable person to take over from him.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by EzeUche(m): 10:06pm On Feb 09, 2010
I am definitely in support of regional parties.

APGA has my support if this is their plan. Let them come to Abia State!!!
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by asha80(m): 10:07pm On Feb 09, 2010
Onlytruth:

lol, I know you must have been among those trumpeting a certain PDP victory in the last elections. I will dig up your posts to confirm it.
My Nnewi folks say that "o bu mmadu si ka edo nwere nkwo, a si ya ka onwere eke, o ya aju" translated -it is the masses that says that Edo (the chief deity or goddess in Nnewi) should own the Nkwo Nnewi market, if she (Edo) is told by the same masses to move to Eke market, she has no choice but to obey!

PDP is only as powerful as people like you give it powers. Anambra people proved that.

We can dismantle the PDP evil stronghold if we want, YES WE CAN.

We don't need to go anywhere national if we don't have good government in the south east. That is part of the PDP lies. We need to give the best government to our people, not criminals from a "national party".

I need good roads, and best social infrastructure. I don't need Nigeria's presidency if it must come from PDP.
We must reject this PDP lies of national political relevance. All the regions that have produced Nigerian presidents are not better than south east today. We need to see past this national politics lie especially if it will corrupt our way of politics and life. cool



I have always believed that thet average igbo person simply wants basic infrastructure such as roads,power,securities etc and not Presidency for bragging purposes.It does not add value to anything.I know the arguments about political influence but i still think that infrastucture is of utmost importance than a figure head.

Let me use and eg.For those that are familiar with spain and it geo-politics i wonder if there has ever being a spanish prime minister of Catalan origin yet the Catalan region is regarded as the richest region in spain(important or biggest city here is barcelona) yet the capital of spain is madrid and previous prime ministers including the present one are almost always Castillan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8410730.stm

That is why i prefer some kind of autonomy for the different regions in nigeria so that they can determine there economic prosperity.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by EzeUche(m): 10:09pm On Feb 09, 2010
Onlytruth:

I hear you bro Eziachi!

APGA needs urgent leadership reform. Obi should invite Soludo to join APGA. APGA already has a solid base in Igboland. They just need to put in the hard work of wooing the best leadership materials in Igboland. Credible candidates must be wooed away from PDP. We know who the thieves are in Igboland and they will not survive in APGA.

The Ikemba must not retire yet. We need him to continue giving iron to the spines of APGA. The very nature of PDP will make even an angel fail in leadership. PDP -a party of "come and eat" cannot save Ndigbo.
I don't know Victor Umeh (APGA national chairman) but he has failed to grow APGA beyond Anambra state.
This is an opportunity for a more capable person to take over from him.

Let us not forget about Pat Utomi. They should recruit him as well.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by asha80(m): 10:09pm On Feb 09, 2010
EzeUche:

I am definitely in support of regional parties.

APGA has my support if this is their plan. Let them come to Abia State!!!



Get ready to fight OUK and his mother  cheesy
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by mekusxxx: 10:11pm On Feb 09, 2010
If Igbos want to lead Nigeria in the nearest future, the should gravitate towards the PDP. APGA, APP, AC and other mushroom parties will never win a national election any day. A word is enough for the wise. They can vote for anybody/party at the state level but the scenario should be different at the fed level.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 10:24pm On Feb 09, 2010
asha 80:


I have always believed that thet average igbo person simply wants basic infrastructure such as roads,power,securities etc and not Presidency for bragging purposes.It does not add value to anything.I know the arguments about political influence but i still think that infrastucture is of utmost importance than a figure head.

Let me use and eg.For those that are familiar with spain and it geo-politics i wonder if there has ever being a spanish prime minister of Catalan origin yet the Catalan region is regarded as the richest region in spain(important or biggest city here is barcelona) yet the capital of spain is madrid and previous prime ministers including the present one are almost always Castillan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8410730.stm

That is why i prefer some kind of autonomy for the different regions in nigeria so that they can determine there economic prosperity.

You captured the message succinctly. Thanks! We have long heard this lie about national politics as if only good comes out of it. Pray does anyone remember how peaceful elections used to be in Igboland? Now all we hear about is do or die and electoral violence!
We don't need that type of "national politics". They can keep Nigerian presidency for ever if they insist on PDP.
If we reclaim our politics and way of life, I promise you that even the rest of Nigeria will copy from us one day. Who hates quality leadership?
PDP is a party of thieves!
All credible Igbos like Dora Akunyili should leave it.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by EzeUche(m): 10:25pm On Feb 09, 2010
mekusxxx:

If Igbos want to lead Nigeria in the nearest future, the should gravitate towards the PDP. APGA, APP, AC and other mushroom parties will never win a national election any day. A word is enough for the wise. They can vote for anybody/party at the state level but the scenario should be different at the fed level.

My brother, why would the Ndi Igbo want to run this nation we call Nigeria? A regional party would be more beneficial for the Igbo than the presidency!!!  grin

A unified party could one day demand outright secession!!!!
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 10:31pm On Feb 09, 2010
EzeUche:

My brother, why would the Ndi Igbo want to run this nation we call Nigeria? A regional party would be more beneficial for the Igbo than the presidency!!!  grin

A unified party could one day demand outright secession!!!!

APGA is a Nigerian party and it will remain so. The secession thing is the lie that other regions use to blackmail our national entitlements. I agree with other things you said about regional parties. You must build a national party from the regions. That is why PDP is the biggest fraud in Nigerian political history. That party is only real as long as there is oil money to share. The day oil dries up is day the party will cease to exist.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by egift(m): 10:40pm On Feb 09, 2010
Obi should think of reconciliation, working with everyone to help Anambra state to its feet. And in another development, welcome president Goodluck http:///nigerian-senate-votes-to-empower-goodluck-jonathan.html
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by mekusxxx: 10:44pm On Feb 09, 2010
I am a believer that the south south should take a shot at the presidency before the Igbo. I have no real reason for taking this position except that he who laughs last laughs best (this is very simplistic, I know). That said, between now and when the Igbo will have the presidency (i.e., talking about PDP rotational rules), Igbos should experiment with APGA and see how it works. Then we can sit down and see how it plays out at the national level when it is time for PDP to hand us the presidency, like they have now done to SW and NW. Put in mind that the SW abandoned AD and moved to PDP in the 2003 election in order to support OBj who at that time had problems all over the place. There is a precedence. grin
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by mekusxxx: 10:56pm On Feb 09, 2010
South EAST=APGA (Anambra), PPA (Abia), PDP (Enugu, Imo, Ebonyi)
SOUTH WEST=AC (Lagos), LP (Ondo), PDP (Oyo, Ekiti, Ogun and Osun)
SOUTH SOUTH = AC (Edo) PDP (Rivers, Delta, Akwa Ibom, Cross River and Bayelsa)
PDP is still in charge of the south by a very significant proportion - 12 states versus 5 states
Thus, the so-called regional parties still have a long way to go. Moreover, there is really no new deal in Anambra since APGA was already the ruling party there.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Onlytruth(m): 11:18pm On Feb 09, 2010
mekusxxx:

South EAST=APGA (Anambra), PPA (Abia), PDP (Enugu, Imo, Ebonyi)
SOUTH WEST=AC (Lagos), LP (Ondo), PDP (Oyo, Ekiti, Ogun and Osun)
SOUTH SOUTH = AC (Edo) PDP (Rivers, Delta, Akwa Ibom, Cross River and Bayelsa)
PDP is still in charge of the south by a very significant proportion - 12 states versus 5 states
Thus, the so-called regional parties still have a long way to go. Moreover, there is really no new deal in Anambra since APGA was already the ruling party there.

APGA's vision should be to expand to all Igbo states first and go from there. I say that because there is already an existing followership in Igboland. It just needs to be bolstered. We shouldn't really care much about other regions for now, until we have demonstrated a functional and peaceful leadership style in Igboland. Only then will other regions copy us and accept APGA. If they don't, well, too bad for them! cool

APGA should be reformed immediately in readiness for next year's election.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Eziachi: 11:54pm On Feb 09, 2010
mekusxxx:

If Igbos want to lead Nigeria in the nearest future, the should gravitate towards the PDP. APGA, APP, AC and other mushroom parties will never win a national election any day. A word is enough for the wise. They can vote for anybody/party at the state level but the scenario should be different at the fed level.

We didn't fight the war to lead Nigeria but to lead ourselves. You don't lead someone else without leading yourself first. In Scotland it's neither labour or the tories that are running the Edinburgh government, but SNP and equivalent of MASSOB in Scotland. Take a look at those that had been leading Nigeria and tell me how the lives of their people is better than yours?
All the poorest states in Nigeria are run by PDP. Whether a state is run by your so-called mushroom parties, they will still get what is due to them and will likely spend it at home because the government is closer to home and to the people.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by udezue(m): 11:55pm On Feb 09, 2010
We don't need the damn Presidency. What have SW and North achieved after all these years of Presidency? Nothing
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by Eziachi: 12:19am On Feb 10, 2010
mekusxxx:

I am a believer that the south south should take a shot at the presidency before the Igbo. I have no real reason for taking this position except that he who laughs last laughs best (this is very simplistic, I know). That said, between now and when the Igbo will have the presidency (i.e., talking about PDP rotational rules), Igbos should experiment with APGA and see how it works. Then we can sit down and see how it plays out at the national level when it is time for PDP to hand us the presidency, like they have now done to SW and NW. Put in mind that the SW abandoned AD and moved to PDP in the 2003 election in order to support OBj who at that time had problems all over the place. There is a precedence. grin

Mekusxx my brother, you are still occupied and obsessed with this presidency thing. Nigeria presidency is worthless to me and in real terms is just for bragging purposes.  That bragging leave people of that region in a false utopia. Wait till South South person become president.

His people will even lose their voice because they will not like to be accused of not helping their own. And the president will always say no to them with their demands even on things they will normally get before because he doesn't want to be seen as working for his people's agenda only.

To a south easterner, the presidency is a poison chalice, it is okay for the northerners, because their culture had always excluded their people from the scheme of things, as it is only the business of the elite alone. As long as they have positions to share around, they will go about claiming to be united.

Even if you have the so called regional parties in all south east states and they happens to share the same ideology and have a down to earth and home made elected persons and not those fashioned in Abuja, they can do wonders.  They can join hand under one manisfestoe and give us things like Regional electric power, regional rail network.
This can only be possible if we have a party like APGA and not PDP.  Local party for local need and for local people, ran by locally known elected officials.  That is what democracy is all about. Grassroot. Mind you AD dominated the West when OBJ was the candidate of the PDP.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by adigun101: 12:29am On Feb 10, 2010
The problem with Nigeria is not only PDP but our ruling class.
What you guys are clamouring for have been experienced in the SW.
Ask what happened to AD.
The fact that they were a regional party did not make the governors perform.
Obi of APGA has so far not performed !
He has been outperformed by Chime and Uduaghan of PDP in neighboring states.
Even the likes of Amaechi and Donald duke are all PDP.
You guys need to ask serious questions instead of being carried away by sentiments.
Re: Obi: Apga Targets Take-over Of S-east States by onyengbu1(m): 3:24pm On Feb 10, 2010
Onlytruth:

lol, I know you must have been among those trumpeting a certain PDP victory in the last elections. I will dig up your posts to confirm it.
My Nnewi folks say that "o bu mmadu si ka edo nwere nkwo, a si ya ka onwere eke, o ya aju" translated -it is the masses that says that Edo (the chief deity or goddess in Nnewi) should own the Nkwo Nnewi market, if she (Edo) is told by the same masses to move to Eke market, she has no choice but to obey!

PDP is only as powerful as people like you give it powers. Anambra people proved that.

We can dismantle the PDP evil stronghold if we want, YES WE CAN.

Dig up my posts and you will see that I have not only supported Soludo but also Ngige.
I was trumpeting for anybody but Peter Obi. Not because he is APGA but because he is performing below expectation.

I still maintain that whether PDP or APGA or AC, they are all the same thing.

adigun101:

The problem with Nigeria is not only PDP but our ruling class.
What you guys are clamouring for have been experienced in the SW.
Ask what happened to AD.
The fact that they were a regional party did not make the governors perform.
Obi of APGA has so far not performed !
He has been outperformed by Chime and Uduaghan of PDP in neighboring states.
Even the likes of Amaechi and Donald duke are all PDP.
You guys need to ask serious questions instead of being carried away by sentiments.

I have always believed in voting for individuals and not party. Obi performed below expectation in anambra but people were willing to forget about all that as long as PDP or AC is not there. How has that helped anyone.

Unless he suddenly develops a change of mind, anambra will be in the frozen developmental mode till the next 4 years.

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