[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=90120732]

Your NIV, CSB, NLT, ESV are Deceiving you in saying "slaves" (Evil) not "Servants" (Regular and Ordinary Free Persons whom you see everyday) which is what KJV says.

Curiously no KJV.

Slavery means Complete Ownership and Possession of Fellow Souls like you.

And it is against the Most High Law that One Soul can Not and Should Not Posses the Soul of Another, as if he were a laptop or car.

Both the Wicked Soul Possessing and the Soul being Possessed are the Property of the Most High. Eg Toyota Sequoia can not Possess and shall Never be able to Possess Toyota Yaris, not to talk of Kia Picanto.

That is the Law and all who are in breach of it SHALL ANSWER TO THEIR

Dtruthspeaker:


Idiot! You have been arguing based on a "myth book".

You re a Mighty Big Fool. .

MODIFIED!

You didn't think that there was an answer. God had Answered Everything you can ever imagine.
We are only searching for the answers to use to answer you.

Some we have found, some we have not yet found, that is what is going on with us, the followers of Christ

Insult!

That's expected from an unrepentant blind argumentator

bright007:


Are you cherry-picking bible versions to suite your narrative now?

I quoted five bible versions to you. Dont tell me all of them are wrong.

Lemme emphasize: 5 bible translations and you are still arguing.

You have practically no where to hide concerning this debate. Give up! What u cant defend you accept the truth even if its something that goes against your religion. This is the reason I left christianity. I cant see the obvious truth and stick to falsehood because the bible said so.



Now to another area in your reply.

If slavery was bad in the sight of God, why did the Israelites practise human slavery?


God gave Moses instructions pertaining to how slaves should be treated.

Did you not call all these books "myth books"?
Why then do you require an explanation from our myth books?

You've Settled our Conflict!

bright007:


Insult!

That's expected from an unrepentant blind argumentator

Forever, the Law and the Word of the Lord is Settled! And No Soul on Earth can Change it!

Dtruthspeaker:


Did you not call all these books "myth books"?
Why then do you require an explanation from our myth books?

You've Settled our Conflict!

bright007:




Finally, a window to escape!

It's been nice discussing with you. However I will leave you with few words.

1) When the truth stares at you in the face, do not oppose it because your religion opposes it.


1) what you dont know or cant explain, say it loudly; I DONT KNOW. The bible is very ambiguous that you have to turn a blind eye to its falsehood, half truths to still remain a Christian.

. I ain't escaping nothing. You don't threaten me. This argument has reached its Reasonable Conclusive End.

The matter about the Shit Purported "House Israel slavery, contained in your myth book, is another Debate.

Raise a thread to that purpose and I may meet you there. See ya!

bright007:
What a shallow answer!

You actually are reacting with a shallow objection

bright007:
That there were no machines to do work is not a reason for the bible not to condemn slavery.

Brilliant historians will let you know that the introduction of the Trans Atlantic Slave to America was incidental.

Slavery, as a matter of fact was accidentally introduced into the US. The first 20 odd slaves arrived in Virginia there, in late August 1619, after two British pirates, the Treasurer and the White Lion, intercepted the ship transporting them to Vera Cruz, on the coast of Mexico by Portuguese slave traders. They climbed on board hoping to find bounty of gold, but what they met were slaves. These the pirates seized and sold them off as booty of war and/or traded them off for victuals (i.e. food and drinks) from the Governor and Cape Merchant of Jamestown, who bought them to work on the tobacco fields.

Many plantation owners were able to increase their fortunes by selling tobacco to the world, European, Africans and all. Those accidental first 20 odd slaves that arrived at Jamestown became an eye-opener to a solution to the decreasing supply of cheap tobacco labor and dwindling influx of indentured servants willing to migrate from England to work in the tobacco fields in America. The eye-opener was to exploit the already fledging Trans Atlantic Slave trade and join the Belgian, Portuguese et cetera big boys in the game to boost the tobacco economy with buying and acquiring slave labour to plant, cultivate, harvest, cure and package tobacco in its extremely labor intensive process

bright007:
The very humans that your God created in his own image is being subjugated under another man and the bible supports it.

"Then God blessed them, and God said to them,
“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea,
over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”"
- Genesis 1:28

Slavery and/or subjugation was never part of God's original from the beginning plan. As evidently seen in Genesis 1:28 above, God blessed man to have dominion over the fish, birds and over every living thing that moves on the earth, but not over each other or a fellow human being

bright007:
How will such a human who is a slave, live a life of choice?

""If any Israelites, male or female, sell themselves to you as slaves,
you are to release them after they have served you for six years.
When the seventh year comes, you must let them go free."
- Deuteronomy 15:12

"“If one of your fellow Israelites falls into poverty
and is forced to sell himself to you, do not treat him as a slave."
- Leviticus 25:39

"Masters, be fair and just in the way you treat your slaves.
Remember that you too have a Master in heaven."
- Colossians 4:1

The circumstance of human being becoming a slave (e.g. prisoner of war, abduction, poverty et cetera) more than not, prolly is as a result of coming out something he/she couldn't control, and so hopefully such in that position, would wish they're serving God fearing masters

bright007:
Please try to put up a solid defense this time.

Slavery is a reality of life. Nothing to put a solid defence about, except for say, it happens because we live in an imperfect and fallen world

Daejoyoung:
You keep using 21st century lens on ancient times. I repeat, the successful campaign against slavery in England in the 18th/19th century had more to do with the industrial revolution than human compassion. People knew slavery was evil before then, but there was just no better way to get cheap labour, it was a brutal era of constant wars, subjugations and survival of the fittest.
This is a historical fact, don't give me sentiments, refute it logically.

Also, let's be reasonable at least. How could Jesus or Paul lead a slaves lives matter protest in an Empire that cared so little about human lives? Wouldn't that be foolish? You want him to waste the lives of those slaves? His duty was to die as their representative in their place, not to lead them to death.

Slavery, just as like prostitution, is as ancient as time. Slavery is a symptom of an underlying problem. Sort out the underlying problem will take care of the slavery issue and that is what Jesus came to do and die for.

Jesus Christ, did not politicise, so you'll hear him say something like: "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar and to God the things that are God's" (i.e. Matthew 22:21) The Romans dominated the Israelites, the Kingdom of Judah, Judah, yet He will decried them nor praise them. It is the same with slavery, He obviously knows slavery is about and thriving so, but then His saying of "... Love your neighbor as yourself. ..." (i.e. Mark 12:31) is an indication of, if you happen to be into slavery, realise that you are not allowed to mistreat slaves

bright007:
I am looking at it from the religious perspective.

If humans knew slavery was evil, what about God who created them?

Pure, true and religion that has no fault, something that Did won't be able to find fault(s) with is about empathy, compassion and humaneness

If humans are really being religious, in the purest and truest sense of the original meaning of the world, there wouldn't be slavery.

Fyi, God created human beings to be and become like Him in character, attributes, behaviour et cetera

Daejoyoung:
How could Jesus or Paul lead a slaves lives matter protest in an Empire that cared so little about human lives? Wouldn't that be foolish? You want him to waste the lives of those slaves? His duty was to die as their representative in their place, not to lead them to death.

Movie buffs, would have one time or the other watched Spartacus. He showed the Romans pepper, but the Romans in the end had the upper hand and squashed the slave revolt.

bright007:
I am talking about God , you are talking about Paul!

God never condemned slavery in the bible

Yet, according to the bible he created humans

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What if God ever condemned slavery in the bible?
Do you then think God condemning slavery in the bible would have put an end to slavery ni, hmm?
Even if God do ever condemn slavery in the bible, He is not going to force any from not participating in it

bright007:
An all-loving God wouldn't permit a human taking another human as slave.

Except you wanna be economical with sound reasoning and truth.

Oh o. You want God to install love into every human being so that they robotically love each other and have no feeling in them to want to take a fellow human being as slaves.

If you were to be God on that very day of creation. How would you have created man. How would you proof to me that your created man would be better than what man currently is and is going through, hmmm, lmao?

bright007:
Same thing I have been saying from the beginning!

It is you who is tired of defending the defenseless and an obvious dent on your God's attribute.


While I am telling you that the God in the bible didn't abolish nor discourage slavery of man , you are busy beating about the bush concentrating on Paul.

If you and I agree slavery of man by man is evil, then tell me why your God never considered it evil by telling the Israelites not to engage in slavery right from the old testament to the new?

All you've so far portrayed, is saying you can and could have done a better work about creation of human beings than God has. Admit this is correct.

There are quite a varied of things God didn't tell people not to do. When I give my kids their own personal rooms in my house, I didn't unnecessarily tell them to lay or not lay their beds. Why not?. It is because it is their rooms, and as they lay their beds, so they'll lie in it.

bright007:
Your reply is laughable I must confess!

Even during Paul's days, Christian's still had slaves.

Now Paul came and told the slaves to obey their masters.

Why not tell the Christians to let go of their slaves because slavery was evil? Isnt that simple enough

I am waiting for your goal-post shifting answers

It is you, who is forming hollier than thou upandan the thread with your sanctimonious self.

You are trying to get me open up a can of worms here. OK, no problem lmao. My dear friend, what you don't know just like in America, in Britain, when slavery was abolished, slave owners were compensated monetarily for releasing the slave (i.e. Compensated emancipation)

Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore loaned the British government, the equivalent of £17bn in today's money for doing this, but do you know that, the money borrowed wasn’t paid off until just recently 5 years ago, in 2015, lmao, meaning that living British citizens just finished paying off to ending the slave trade. The Roman who were in power during the time when God as Jesus was on earth should have had the political will to have done similar, after it was man who was given dominion to rule the earth, it is not God. God had created earth, put man on it, and let it in man's hands to be in charge, lmao.

bright007:
Next time when you are asked to bring proof or evidence of something, never go to a fairytales and myth book.

Get evidence that everyone can relate with. We are having an argument about a book and then you still go to same book for your points

So what, if he does? Havent you heard that, every myth has a modicum of truth in them ni, hmm? Besides, when the truth, seemingly is bitter to hear and often difficult to bear, then employing myth, lol, makes the medicine go down easier, lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not call all these books "myth books"?
Why then do you require an explanation from our myth books?

You've Settled our Conflict!

Don't mind her

Dtruthspeaker:
. I ain't escaping nothing.
You don't threaten me. This argument has reached its Reasonable Conclusive End.

The matter about the Shit Purported "House Israel slavery, contained in your myth book, is another Debate.

Raise a thread to that purpose and I may meet you there. See ya!

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I would like her to bring it on too,
so she could be had for breakfast/lunch/dinner, lmao

Thank you sir! You just did what I wanted to do but didn't know how to... Thank you MuttleyLaf

Indeed.

This reply is a thing of HARSH and terrible beauty!!!

Niflheim:
Why are black people so obsessed with the bible?

It is because the average black man is as simple as a 4 year old child(I wanted to say 5 year old, but that would be a big insult to 5 year olds around the world)!!!

Promise the 4 year old that you will take him on holidays to go and stay in a big mansion in the city of Barcelona and watch the excitement grow in his face!!!

Now tell the 34 year old West African religious mugu that when he leaves this world, a great big mansion is waiting for him in the sky and you will see the same excitement!!!

This is what doctors refer to as "Mental retardation"!!!

Put the teddy bear in the hand of the 4 year old and tell him that he should not be afraid when alone in the dark, cause teddy bear is there to watch out for him and look after him, and the tears slowly dry away from his face!!!

Now tell the 34 year old indoctrinated idiot that he should not be afraid when coming back from night vigil at 5:00 am in the morning, because the lord shall protect him, and watch the slowpoke singing aloud on the main road and shouting,...''I AM SO GLAD THAT HE GOAT LOVES ME!!!"

Tell the 4 year old that "FADA KWISMAS" will come and give him presents for being a good boy and not misbehaving, and watch him settle down quietly in the corner!!!

Now tell the 34 year old brainwashed buffoon that if he is a good boy and gives his school fees to pastor, god will give him times three of the money, and he will say..........................................."PASTOR, I WILL EVEN GIVE YOU MY GUCCI UNDERWEAR SO I CAN RECEIVE TIMES THREE OF THE GUCCI UNDERWEAR!!! ONE FOR MY NEIGHBOUR'S WIFE, ONE FOR MY NEIGHBOUR'S DAUGHTER AND ONE FOR MY NEIGHBOUR'S MOTHER!!!"

TrajansKong:
This reply is a thing of HARSH and terrible beauty!!!

Which wan come be harsh and terrible beauty again kwanu

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donjazet:




As I finish this article, I leave my readers with only two questions. Why are black people so obsessed with the bible, which is the book that caused their suffering? And why is it that they are the only people who when holding the bible refuse to question anything or think?

wow....I'm just stumbling on ds now since 2017...I never knew u were such a talented writer... I wish I had depth like u...

anyways to give my little answer to ur questions,,, d reason Africans are more obsessed with d Gospel more than d whites is d same reason Israel rejected Jesus as their Messiah.... d idea of God is so dat d Gospel can keep spreading....d Gospel is not an inheritance to be hoarded but to be spread,,,in the fullness of time,, d Gospel will go back to d origin,, it will be accepted by d Jews and all d western countries dat are avoiding it now...it is d wisdom of God to keep it longer in Africa bkos we don't have where to pass it to...also in Genesis 1:26 God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

dat was d original idea of God for man,,to develop d earth and not just religion....there are alot of other complexities on why God created man...I cant explain dat here,,i will drop a video link where u can get clearer understanding,,,but in a broader sense God actually wanted to create more Gods like himself to rule over d multiverses and universe as it were,,and daz not possible unless they are subjected through pain(evil)... for God to create other God's pain must be introduced into d system,, those that can overcome dat pain bcome Gods...now d challenge was for how will pain be introduced into d system,,pain in ds sense will represent evil,, but God can't afflict men with pain(evil),, den Lucifer shows up and sins against God,,wen Lucifer sin he became d medium by which men can receive pain to prepare dem to be God's.... I won't say more than I have said...I will kindly urge u to watch d video below,,, I'm not doing an advertisement,,I've seen a lot of ignorant folks rant online and I pass by dem,,but I will like u to be more enlightened,,, I'm only trying to get people who are interested in knowledge to learn...
its a 2hr video,, I will advise u start from 1hr 27min of d video where he talked about d mystery of God's will,,wch is in allowing evil and not resisting evil... I will stop here,, if u have any questions,, I'm all ears



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwivjlI-lo

Hmm

donjazet:

Hmm

Real intellectuals don't speak about race rather they are open minded.
Your write-up is flawed due to your conclusion about Africans. The problem is not about any book or slavery, it's a global phenomenon but Africans are most affected because our leaders were chosen by those who wants to exploit our land.