WORDWORLD:


YOU GOT IT. FIRSTLY, THE SCALES ARE NOT THE SAME. AND THEN COMPARING HUMANS WITH THE ANIMAL WORLD WHILE BEING SELECTIVE WITH THESE ANIMALS IS NOT A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THIS JUDGEMENT. ARE ALL MALE ANIMALS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN THEIR FEMALES? THAT ANATOMY AS TO WHAT EVER ANIMAL IS WHAT DEFINES THAT ANIMAL. A LION LOOKS AS SO BECAUSE THAT IS HOW A LION SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND NOT BECAUSE THE LIONESS DOES THE SELECTION OF THE MALE THAT MATES THEM. IF A REVERSED THEORY IS APPLIED WILL THE FEMALE LIONS START LOOKING DIFFERENTLY SO MUCH THAT THERE BE CHANGES IN THEIR FEATURES? WOULD THE MALE PEACOCK HAVE NOT HAD THAT ELEGANT TAIL BUT THE POSSESION OF THE FEMALE? (ubunja)

90% of all male animals have more beaitiful males. its happening everywhere. i actually forgot the fishes. same story.

here in South Africa we have Coloured People ( mix of black and white who speak Afrikaans) those people have women who are beautiful and men who are closely following them that other times you see a good number of men that actually are hotter than women. its so amazing.

Can it be said that all women will select a beautiful man if given the chance?I know in the animal world,the females wants for who it will mate with falls in a specific category but considering we are talking about human females,there is always a possibility that their choices will vary and it is possible to predict for most/some of them not all of them no matter how hard someone tries?
But as u said "fittest" meaning as long as you can pass down our gene or ensure your generations continuation.
But you do know some people can make many copies of themselves but if those babies ain't fed well or taken care of,they could still die(though with number,higher chances of 1 surviving but many factors come into play)

ubunja:

you got only half of it Ontoog. Nature is Survival of the Fittest but "fittest" does not mean Strongest. thats why its not called Survival of the Strongest. "fittest" in evolution means THE ONE THAT MAKES THE MOST COPIES/BABIES OF ITSELF THAT WILL LIVE ON AFTER HE'S GONE. like Abraham left a whole country of decendents all carrying his genes (the isrealites) thats what survival of the fittest means. you die but live on in your children coz they have your genes..and the more kids you have the fitter you are.
in animals beauty is strength coz to survive you have to blend in and hide from predators.therefore any animal that refuses to blend in but instead chooses to be colourful and pretty and attract danger HAS TO BE STRONG and he will have females to make babies with and thus he becomes the FiTTEST THAT SURVIVES meaning he becomes the one who has many children carrying his genes.

Humanity has left the natural way a long time ago so the fittest could be a number of factors and even if some women were to choose,they might choose a rich ugly man making him the fittest and ensuring his generation continues just that if the lady is a cheat,she will cheat but we can say the man is the fittest.Since money talks better In the African world to women before beauty and etc?

Ontoog:
Can it be said that all women will select a beautiful man if given the chance?I know in the animal world,the females wants for who it will mate with falls in a specific category but considering we are talking about human females,there is always a possibility that their choices will vary and it is possible to predict for most/some of them not all of them no matter how hard someone tries?
But as u said "fittest" meaning as long as you can pass down our gene or ensure your generations continuation.
But you do know some people can make many copies of themselves but if those babies ain't fed well or taken care of,they could still die(though with number,higher chances of 1 surviving but many factors come into play)


Humanity has left the natural way a long time ago so the fittest could be a number of factors and even if some women were to choose,they might choose a rich ugly man making him the fittest and ensuring his generation continues just that if the lady is a cheat,she will cheat but we can say the man is the fittest.Since money talks better In the African world to women before beauty and etc?

thats why in nature mothers provide NOT fathers

Ontoog:
[b]Can it be said that all women will select a beautiful man if given the chance?[/b]I know in the animal world,the females wants for who it will mate with falls in a specific category but considering we are talking about human females,there is always a possibility that their choices will vary and it is possible to predict for most/some of them not all of them no matter how hard someone tries?
But as u said "fittest" meaning as long as you can pass down our gene or ensure your generations continuation.
But you do know some people can make many copies of themselves but if those babies ain't fed well or taken care of,they could still die(though with number,higher chances of 1 surviving but many factors come into play)


Humanity has left the natural way a long time ago so the fittest could be a number of factors and even if some women were to choose,they might choose a rich ugly man making him the fittest and ensuring his generation continues just that if the lady is a cheat,she will cheat but we can say the man is the fittest.Since money talks better In the African world to women before beauty and etc?

women are so attracted to beauty so much so many easily become bisexual

ubunja:

90% of all male animals have more beaitiful males. its happening everywhere. i actually forgot the fishes. same story.

here in South Africa we have Coloured People ( mix of black and white who speak Afrikaans) those people have women who are beautiful and men who are closely following them that other times you see a good number of men that actually are hotter than women. its so amazing.

90% is not 100%. 100% equals HOLISTIC. While it is also true that there are a good percentage of animals and birds that you cant even tell which is which unless you check their genitals. And with your refering to these South Africans. Is the factor here not as a result of mixed colour and not as the theory of women having to do the choosing of a good looking man?

ubunja:

thats the start of a Friendzone. tell her you dont want that and delete her from your life. coz you'll never taste her pvssy, if you do it will either be out of pitty for you or when she wana retire from fvcking around.either reasons no self-respecting man can accept.
find it in you to walk away from her. go to where you are celebrated not tolerated.

I joked with a gal telling her to marry me. She knew I was joking, and she answered saying she's engaged to a man. We all know that she's not engaged. Can I say she wants me?

WORDWORLD:


90% is not 100%. 100% equals HOLISTIC. While it is also true that there are a good percentage of animals and birds that you cant even tell which is which unless you check their genitals. And with your refering to these South Africans. Is the factor here not as a result of mixed colour and not as the theory of women having to do the choosing of a good looking man?

if 9/10 is not holistic then i dont know what is. what in this world is 100%? even the air you breathe out although called carbon dioxide still has about 14% oxygen. nature doesnt operate in 100% absollutes. you even have a little estrogen in you even if a man.

forget about checking animal genitals and go google this shiiit

the south africans was to show you that males can be beautiful too regardless...seems you have a problem visualizing that.

WORDWORLD:


90% is not 100%. 100% equals HOLISTIC. While it is also true that there are a good percentage of animals and birds that you cant even tell which is which unless you check their genitals. And with your refering to these South Africans. Is the factor here not as a result of mixed colour and not as the theory of women having to do the choosing of a good looking man?

read this

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-male-species-better-looking-than-females-in-the-animal-kingdom

http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/siowfa13/2013/12/why-arent-men-the-ones-primping.html

ubunja:

if 9/10 is not holistic then i dont know what is. what in this world is 100%? even the air you breathe out although called carbon dioxide still has about 14% oxygen. nature doesnt operate in 100% absollutes. you even have a little estrogen in you even if a man.

forget about checking animal genitals and go google this shiiit

the south africans was to show you that males can be beautiful too regardless...seems you have a problem visualizing that.

I dont have a problem with visualizing but am trying to understand you really. While it still remains that 9/10 is not HOLISTIC no matter how we want to equate it. That 1/10 can be used as a similitude to humans to proving a point. Secondly the reason why these male animals are so is not because of how the choose to mate. And of course it is not a constant that as long as the father is good looking the males that will be born will be irrespective of how the mother may look. Lastly, until we start to see beauty beyond the physical realm then we aint treading the lane of progress as human. Ubunja i understand the message you are trying to pass am not trying to counter it am only trying to make us visualize what might have been negelected.

WORDWORLD:


I dont have a problem with visualizing but am trying to understand you really. While it still remains that 9/10 is not HOLISTIC no matter how we want to equate it.
That 1/10 can be used as a similitude to humans to proving a point . Secondly the reason why these male animals are so is not because of how the choose to mate. And of course it is not a constant that as long as the father is good looking the males that will be born will be irrespective of how the mother may look. Lastly, until we start to see beauty beyond the physical realm then we aint treading the lane of progress as human. Ubunja i understand the message you are trying to pass am not trying to counter it am only trying to make us visualize what might have been negelected.

dude speak in plain english.like i did in my post

ubunja:

dude speak in plain english.like i did in my post

The simple plain English is. WHAT DOES IT ADD UP TO IF MEN BECOME MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN WOMEN IF NOT BEAUTIFUL ON THE INSIDE AS MOST ARE UGLY BOTH IN AND OUTWARDS AS IT IS TODAY.

WORDWORLD:


The simple plain English is. WHAT DOES IT ADD UP TO IF MEN BECOME MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN WOMEN IF NOT BEAUTIFUL ON THE INSIDE AS MOST ARE UGLY BOTH IN AND OUTWARDS AS IT IS TODAY.

you see just how off-topic you have gone?

ubunja:

you see just how off-topic you have gone?

That is the explanation of the English you choose not to understan. Is it off TOPIC. Okay define BEAUTY and see if your post is not reduced to relativism and not an absolute.

WORDWORLD:


That is the explanation of the English you choose not to understan. Is it off TOPIC. Okay define BEAUTY and see if your post is not reduced to relativism and not an absolute.

dude lets leave it coz these are the kinds of debates that i dont want to waste time on.

ubunja:

dude lets leave it coz these are the kinds of debates that i dont want to waste time on.

Well that which is not ABSOLUTE is this. The beauty of a male child is not solely depended on how beautiful his father looks so that even when women do the choosing of EXCLUSIVELY HANDSOME MEN the result is not men becoming solely more beautiful than women. That is not how biology works.END OF DISCUSSION! You have to start seeing our world outside the lense of CHAUVINISM but REALITY OF PERCEPTION IN PERFECT PRECISION.

ubunja:
men are free to look like women but women are not free to look like men? what does that mean?? and their " glow" must always be there to be considered beautiful? bet you never seen boyish tomboys who are drop dead beautiful but looking less feminine.
"the scales are not the same?" meaning what?

Dude you chose your conclusions from a flawed premise. There is technically no such thing as Men being more beautiful than women or vice versa. The yardstick for measuring their beauty isn't the same. If they were, comparisons will make sense. For instance Brad Pitt is considered a handsome man, but if he doesn't have his beards and all, while being dressed like a female, most Men won't consider him 'a beautiful woman'. Same with this big brother guy, Tobi. He has huge masculine features, strong jaws, forehead, cheekbones etc. If he had come to the world with the same face but with a different genitaliaa, most will say he is very unattractive for a woman. Comparisons only make sense when you're comparing likes with likes. Talking about tomboy women looking fine is you missing the point again. Dressing/acting like a man and looking like a man are two different things. I hate writing long essays. I assume you are averagely intelligent. You should be able to read between the lines.

BTW its the men that pay for what most women use to provide for their kids unless he runs away.
And you do know just because we are in nature doesn't mean we obey nature completely so if we are to be compared with animals it won't be as accurate while human and animal females share some similar characteristics,they don't share them all.
And in the human world unless the woman is independent the man is the provider.

ubunja:

thats why in nature mothers provide NOT fathers

Neurotika:


Dude you chose your conclusions from a flawed premise. There is technically no such thing as Men being more beautiful than women or vice versa. The yardstick for measuring their beauty isn't the same. If they were, comparisons will make sense. For instance Brad Pitt is considered a handsome man, but if he doesn't have his beards and all, while being dressed like a female, most Men won't consider him 'a beautiful woman'. Same with this big brother guy, Tobi. He has huge masculine features, strong jaws, forehead, cheekbones etc. If he had come to the world with the same face but with a different genitaliaa, most will say he is very unattractive for a woman. Comparisons only make sense when you're comparing likes with likes. Talking about tomboy women looking fine is you missing the point again. Dressing/acting like a man and looking like a man are two different things. I hate writing long essays. I assume you are averagely intelligent. You should be able to read between the lines.

go see old paitings of old time youths with long hair and delicate beautiful faces .and open your mind trousers and "tomboys" are a recent feature. and calling a man beautiful doesnt make you gay dont be afraid to do so.
plus lighten up dude. you taking it way too serious while you applying a rigid mind on a topic that requires flexibility of mind. its not a crime to disagree with a post and see things differently.i also disagreed with what what i saw around me and wrote a post. ultimately its my view. and your response above is ultimately your view also.we are all trying to make sense of this thing called life.

Ubunja what do you know about the tradition of the Wodaabes in Central Africa?

Do you know that it's the young women who critique and judge the men for their beauty, in an ENGAGEMENT RITUAL? Its the women who choose from a bunch of men their future husbands not as it is conventionally known? Hence, your imagination is indeed a reality that has been a practice in the African continent for God knows when, WOMEN DOING THE CHOOSING in that region and tribe. The interesting thing is this. To these Wodaabe women what they find as attractive in a man which the classify as the pinnacle of a BEAUTIFUL MAN is the whiteness of his teeth and eyes. That is a scale of judgement which of course does not apply universally hence the defination of BEAUTY or say a BEAUTIFUL MAN is not a universal conception by standard. Its their men who wear MAKE UP to attract their WOMEN to choose them and they learn to sing beautifully too. My point here is just as Neurotika has pointed. These scales of judgement when it comes to BEAUTY IS SUBJECTIVE AND MALLEABLE NEVER DEFINATE. The woodabe women do not consider a man with a long hair as being beautiful. PHYSICAL BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER. WHAT HAS A UNIVERSAL ACCEPTANCE IS A BEAUTIFUL CHARACTER AND ONLY WITH BEAUTIFUL CHARACTERS CAN WE CREATE A BEAUTIFUL WORLD. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ONLY A FEW WORK ON THEMSELVES TO HAVING A BEAUTIFUL CHARACTER THAT GLOWS FROM THE INSIDE. MOST ARE VERY CONCERN ABOUT THE SUPERFACIALITY OF THE SURFACE AND NOT SUBSTANCE WHICH IS THE REAL DIAMOND.

You may choose to invest your time in this article by Annabel Fanning, title: The 9 craziest beauty traditions on planet earth. Its different strokes for different folks when it comes to talking about beauty. www.mytinysecrets.com/the-9-craziest-beauty-traditions-on-this-planet-✩/. Women choosing their future partners is not new as a tradition. The example with the Woodabe has not in the least proven that as a result their men are the MOST HANDSOME in Africa neither more beautiful than their own women. This what is called reality of perception in perfect precision.

WORDWORLD:


90% is not 100%. 100% equals HOLISTIC. While it is also true that there are a good percentage of animals and birds that you cant even tell which is which unless you check their genitals. And with your refering to these South Africans. Is the factor here not as a result of mixed colour and not as the theory of women having to do the choosing of a good looking man?

Nothing in nature is 100%. Nowhere in anture will you find 100% efficiancy. That's why you have generalisations to represent truth. Note though, generalisations aren't a problem, hasty generalisations are.

Ubunja, splendid work again.

lefulefu:
ehn even if its less than 40 yrs that it started happening in Europe its already and with time the effect will show. Now if Africa were as prosperous as Europe and women became less dependent on men then such a scenario might occur too in Africa. Women will the freedom to choose more attractive mates but this will be detrimental to ugly men and their money might become worthless since such women would have the capacity to earn their own money. I think the status quo in Africa where rich ugly men use money to attract beautiful young ladies is an arrangement very very convenient for many men. And this your believe that ugly men shouldn't breed with beautiful women so as not to produce ugly children is kinder extreme my brother and believe u me...when ugly men breed with beautiful women,they never produce ugly childre.God has done it in a way that when a beautiful lady takes in for an ugly man the children will come out very beautiful. Take for example the late odumegwu ojukwu and bianca. Ojukwu isn't handsome but the children that bianca birthed for him were all beautiful So ugly men should marry beautiful ladies so as to eliminate those ugly genes in the next generation.

Very poor example.The three children Bianca birthed for Ojukwu are ugly as f**k!

Belafonte:


Nothing in nature is 100%. Nowhere in anture will you find 100% efficiancy. That's why you have generalisations to represent truth. Note though, generalisations aren't a problem, hasty generalisations are.

Ubunja, splendid work again.

My point is very simple. That 10% can be as well used to support whatever postulation of our choice. For example, advocates of Homosexualism use the fact of a tiny percentage of animals who have engaged in same sex intercourse to justify their perception to life. Let me ask you. Since when did Male animals started becoming more 'beautiful' than the female? And will the female become more 'beautiful' if the male do the choosing? How this male and female animals look like is nature's own design of them right from day one. Let me make it clear to you i do not subscribe to the theory that male animals are more beautiful than the female for the premise to this judgement is flawed right from the word go. For their anatomy is not the same neither are they of likes and that is why when it comes to beauty contest of the so called intelligent species, humans. We are yet to have a contest for the most beautiful human being. How will it be carried out?! Lastly, its interesting when you ask women to tell you who a beautiful man is. Their response is far different from what a man will tell you as regards his own male folks. This post is all built on the spirit of chauvinism.

WORDWORLD:


My point is very simple. That 10% can be as well used to support whatever postulation of our choice. For example, advocates of Homosexualism use the fact of a tiny percentage of animals who have engaged in same sex intercourse to justify their perception to life. Let me ask you. Since when did Male animals started becoming more 'beautiful' than the female? An will the female become more 'beautiful' if the male do the choosing? How this male and female animals look like is nature's own design of them. Let me make it clear to you i do not subscribe to the theory that male animals are more beautiful than the female for the premise to this judgement is flawed right from the word go. For their anatomy is not the same neither are they of likes and that is why when it comes to beauty contest of the so called intelligent species, humans we are yet to have a contest for the most beautiful human being. How will it be carried out?! Lastly, its interesting when you ask women to tell you who a beautiful man is. Their response is far different from what a man will tell you as regards his own male folks. This post is all built on the spirit of chauvinism.

The 10% is what is regarded in statistics as the exception to the rule. If you familiarise yourself with the way statistics are gathered and used, you'll find there are no absolutes in life save for death. Formulating a theory for the general population based on an exception is quite disingenuous and counterproductive.

Of course exceptions are studied and only so as to find out why they are so. There are humans who can have sex with an HIV carrier and not get infected, but they are infinitesimally limited in number. The rest of us know that's just suicide.

@ belafonte, BASED ON INDIVIDUAL UNIQUENESS, EACH OF AND EVERY DESIGN BY NATURE IS 100%. Note the yard stick here is that uniqueness which is that there are not two designs in nature that are exactly the same.

WORDWORLD:
@ belafonte, BASED ON INDIVIDUAL UNIQUENESS, EACH OF AND EVERY DESIGN BY NATURE IS 100%. Note the yard stick here is that uniqueness which is that there are not two designs in nature that are exactly the same.

Alright boss.

Hmmm.....there are handsome men...and there are pretty men. No doubt.... pretty men would be best suited to boost the facial looks of man..... but the problem will be to get them sexually interested in women. Their number seems to be increasing..... maybe this is a reason for the decline of the facial attractiveness of men? ... the hearts of 'beautiful men' increasingly lusting after their fellow man?
But then again..... are we talking about just looks?...because other stuff comes in to play when we talk about 'beauty'.
On animals....being pretty...I just don't have eyes for that... bit.ch has five pups and here I am saying which is the prettiest and which is the ugliest? I out of that discussion!

Originalsly:
Hmmm.....there are handsome men...and there are pretty men. No doubt.... pretty men would be best suited to boost the facial looks of man..... but the problem will be to get them sexually interested in women. Their number seems to be increasing..... maybe this is a reason for the decline of the facial attractiveness of men? ... the hearts of 'beautiful men' increasingly lusting after their fellow man?
But then again..... are we talking about just looks?...because other stuff comes in to play when we talk about 'beauty'.
On animals....being pretty...I just don't have eyes for that... bit.ch has five pups and here I am saying which is the prettiest and which is the ugliest? I out of that discussion!

lol pretty face men are not interested in women?? are they homo?

ubunja:

lol pretty face men are not interested in women?? are they homo?

Lol.... that question I can't answer..... generally they just don't find women sexually attractive..... that's all I know.... I know nothing about their activities!

Originalsly:
Lol.... that question I can't answer..... generally they just don't find women sexually attractive..... that's all I know.... I know nothing about their activities!

life hey...its interesting.

ubunja:
cheers.

. What's up with you deleting your posts bro? I was already halfway through this topic some days back but couldn't finish up cos I had to work. Now it's deleted. NOT COOL

COOL10:
. What's up with you deleting your posts bro? I was already halfway through this topic some days back but couldn't finish up cos I had to work. Now it's deleted. NOT COOL

i know. but whats done is done.