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IF A MAN GROWS UP TO BECOME A THIEF, IT IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.
IF A CHILD IS MOLESTED, IT IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.
THE FULANI HERDSMEN KILLING CITIZENS OF NIGERIA IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.

When a man grows up, he chooses what he shall be.

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WE SHOULD STOP FIGHTING CRIME AND TERRORISM BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOD'S PLAN.
WE SHOULD IGNORE MEN WHO BULLY THEIR WIVES AND INNOCENT GIRLS ON THE STREET BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS GOD'S WILL. WHATEVER GOD SAYS WILL HAPPEN, WILL HAPPEN. WHATEVER HE SAYS WONT HAPPEN, WONT HAPPEN. SO GOD COMMANDS EVERYTHING TO HAPPEN

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God Clearly said destroy wicked people and do not tolerate them or allow them in your camps.

You told Him you knew better than Him. So struggling with wicked people and complaining about Wickedness is the better you chose.

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IF YOU OPPOSE THIS (DON'T EVEN SAY "FREEWILL" ), YOU WILLFULLY CONCEDE THAT MERE MAN CAN ALTER GOD'S PLANS.

THIS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS NOT ALL PERFECT, SINCE MERE HUMANS CAN ALTER HIS "DIVINE PLAN", AND CHANGE HIS WILL.

THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE OR WORSHIP SUCH A CHARACTER.

There are always 2 types of Plans to wit Breakable Plans and Unbreakable Plans!

MrMystrO:
Lovely thread Ladyhippolyta88. I would like to present my contribution as simple and understandable as it can be but i still fear some concepts i might use might not be easily understandable but i will give it a try. First of all are you familiar the the concept of paradoxes? i personally call them Eternal Cycles. On an earlier thread of mine i talked about paradoxes as being ideas or Questions that doesn't belong to our normal default 3 Dimensional realm of understanding and as such makes them unable to be grasped by the human mind. i also said "In Eternal cycles, the two Parent forces of life meet and everything at this state is considered One with Each other. At this point it becomes impossible for the human mind to fully Grasp such phenomenons because our existence is on the Third Dimensional plane which is vigorously grounded in Duality"


With being said, I personally believe The key to understanding this question is Understanding paradoxes.

In Our understanding of Reality, Everything is grounded on duality, Opposites or Polarity.
Its Either
Yes or No
Good or Bad
Wrong or Right
Light or darkness..e.t.c.

But what if there is a State that Transcends this type of reality? What if there is a state where all is neutral.. Where the two polarities become One.. Where it is possible to BE and also NOT BE?... Sorry to drag your mind into this weird Zone but this is the territory of the Question you're asking. The concept of Destiny is a paradox, just as the concept of God and Eternity are also paradoxes. You just can't understand them with the human Reality of Duality and Polarity.

Thank God you said what if! And that is why your proposition falls because "what if" always means it is Uncertain and unsettlled and it could be false and a Lie, which I know it is.

So bye bye Triliality or Paradox or whatever name it can be called, we deal with living reality.

You are either in a paid employment or you do not have a paid employment; either inside the house or outside it etc

MrMystrO:
Lovely thread Ladyhippolyta88. I would like to present my contribution as simple and understandable as it can be but i still fear some concepts i might use might not be easily understandable but i will give it a try. First of all are you familiar the the concept of paradoxes? i personally call them Eternal Cycles. On an earlier thread of mine i talked about paradoxes as being ideas or Questions that doesn't belong to our normal default 3 Dimensional realm of understanding and as such makes them unable to be grasped by the human mind. i also said "In Eternal cycles, the two Parent forces of life meet and everything at this state is considered One with Each other. At this point it becomes impossible for the human mind to fully Grasp such phenomenons because our existence is on the Third Dimensional plane which is vigorously grounded in Duality"


With being said, I personally believe The key to understanding this question is Understanding paradoxes.

In Our understanding of Reality, Everything is grounded on duality, Opposites or Polarity.
Its Either
Yes or No
Good or Bad
Wrong or Right
Light or darkness..e.t.c.

But what if there is a State that Transcends this type of reality? What if there is a state where all is neutral.. Where the two polarities become One.. Where it is possible to BE and also NOT BE?... Sorry to drag your mind into this weird Zone but this is the territory of the Question you're asking. The concept of Destiny is a paradox, just as the concept of God and Eternity are also paradoxes. You just can't understand them with the human Reality of Duality and Polarity.

In this case the Answer you seek is also in your question.
is Man's Destiny Shaped By God or By Man himself?
I say man's Destiny is Shaped by God and at the same time also By Man Himself...Remove the Polarities between Man and God and you get your answer.

Before i go i would refer you to my previous quote on the paradox of the idea of God.

"The idea of God is in itself the Biggest Paradox of All, That's why i Believe when you say God Exists, You're Right and Also when you say he doesn't exist, You're also Right! Duality does Not Exist on that plane you are threading on and therefore on this Plane, The creator and the Creation are simply inseparable, One and The same"

In your face trinitarians..

sonmvayina:


In your face trinitarians..

. Oh, You are a character!

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.....BUT
BUT WHAT OF THE "DIVINE PLAN" ?

.......FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME, THE ALMIGHTY GOD ALREADY MADE A PLAN FOR HOW THE WORLD WILL BE FOREVER AND EVER, AND GOD NEVER CHANGES, WHAT HE SAYS WILL BE IS WHAT WILL ALWAYS BE.


IF A MAN GROWS UP TO BECOME A THIEF, IT IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.
IF A CHILD IS MOLESTED, IT IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.
THE FULANI HERDSMEN KILLING CITIZENS OF NIGERIA IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.

WE SHOULD STOP FIGHTING CRIME AND TERRORISM BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOD'S PLAN.
WE SHOULD IGNORE MEN WHO BULLY THEIR WIVES AND INNOCENT GIRLS ON THE STREET BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS GOD'S WILL. WHATEVER GOD SAYS WILL HAPPEN, WILL HAPPEN. WHATEVER HE SAYS WONT HAPPEN, WONT HAPPEN. SO GOD COMMANDS EVERYTHING TO HAPPEN.

IF YOU OPPOSE THIS (DON'T EVEN SAY "FREEWILL" ), YOU WILLFULLY CONCEDE THAT MERE MAN CAN ALTER GOD'S PLANS.

THIS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS NOT ALL PERFECT, SINCE MERE HUMANS CAN ALTER HIS "DIVINE PLAN", AND CHANGE HIS WILL.

THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE OR WORSHIP SUCH A CHARACTER.

Let me put it in classical Christian theology using the current pandemic as a placeholder.

1. Man is warned of the consequence of eating from a particular tree. He goes ahead ( actually its woman...but I digress)
2. No man has a virus that mutates in some people to really bad and sick behaviours, in others it lies reasonably fallow - but its there all along
3. Now along comes a vaccine thats 100% guaranteed to remove the virus
4. Man refuses the virus, man dies
5. Who is responsible?

Makes it clearer. Of course the man could be forced to take the vaccine but that would be in a totalitarian state.

Ladyhippolyta88:
I have heard this argument back and forth.Some people are of the opinion that the destiny of man is in Gods hands and that it is God who controls who a man should or would be as we were created by him.Some others are of the opinion that the destiny of man has always been in his own hands because God does not create a thief,kidnapper and other social vices done by people.They are of the opinion that it is how man decides to live his life which is by choice he either chooses to be of good impact to the society guided by principles or a bad impact to society.The contributions of the religious,atheists,agnostic,theists,deist,pantheists are highly welcomed.So what is your view?lalasticlala,mynd44,Seun,Martinez19,darkchild64,Mrmystr0,butterflylion,Ezedictator and others.

As a traditionalist I believe our destiny is in our hands until we allow God take charge

Ladyhippolyta88:


Yes,not as a religion though

I suspect we'll sync and I suspect we in same part of the world. We ought get in touch

*I like your topics*

See below, what Einstein had to say about this topic - and his insights were always right!
(He said it when someone was trying to praise him for being such a genius)

There is nothing like destiny, we are here just like other creatures the only difference is we as intelligent beings do plan to make things better so sometimes we win other times we loose it all depends on times and circumstances we find ourselves! Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

Ladyhippolyta88:
I have heard this argument back and forth.Some people are of the opinion that the destiny of man is in Gods hands and that it is God who controls who a man should or would be as we were created by him.Some others are of the opinion that the destiny of man has always been in his own hands because God does not create a thief,kidnapper and other social vices done by people.They are of the opinion that it is how man decides to live his life which is by choice he either chooses to be of good impact to the society guided by principles or a bad impact to society.The contributions of the religious,atheists,agnostic,theists,deist,pantheists are highly welcomed.So what is your view?lalasticlala,mynd44,Seun,Martinez19,darkchild64,Mrmystr0,butterflylion,Ezedictator and others.

I don't think God even interfers...


Every man carves a destiny for himself

Elianawalker:
I don't think God even interfers...


Every man carves a destiny for himself

If God does not interfere, do we not know the destination of the son of a mechanic living in "I slap you, you slap me house"? Or the daughter of a aunty living under the bridge?

A tree planted in the desert must die of thirst unless an interferance occurs, exactly as Joseph would have been murdered by his brothers or murdered by Potiphar and his wife or would have died in prison if not for God's Interferance.

Dtruthspeaker:


If God does not interfere, do we not know the destination of the son of a mechanic living in "I slap you, you slap me house"? Or the daughter of a aunty living under the bridge?

A tree planted in the desert must die of thirst unless an interferance occurs, exactly as Joseph would have been murdered by his brothers or murdered by Potiphar and his wife or would have died in prison if not for God's Interferance.

If God interferes then he abuses free will... God doesn't abuse or take back a gift...

Elianawalker:
If God interferes then he abuses free will... God doesn't abuse or take back a gift...

Are you insane?

What freewill is abused when a person who has fallen into a pit is given rope to draw him up and out? Or the person who hungers, is given food? Or a homeless, given house.

The way you people are so evil eh, calling a good thing evil, O Lord it is Truly Time.

Ladyhippolyta88:
I have heard this argument back and forth.

1. Some people are of the opinion that the destiny of man is in Gods hands and that it is God who controls who a man should or would be as we were created by him. Some others are of the opinion that the destiny of man has always been in his own hands because God does not create a thief,kidnapper and other social vices done by people.

2. They are of the opinion that it is how man decides to live his life which is by choice he either chooses to be of good impact to the society guided by principles or a bad impact to society.

1. God is Sovereign so His Will rules over all mankind. However, a man's will ultimately decides his destiny.

He either chooses to die to his will aka submit his will to God's Law so then God charts his destiny instead, or He can, like so may billions out there, chart his own path all of his own.

2. Man decides for self what course his life is to take.

Dtruthspeaker:


Are you insane?

What freewill is abused when a person who has fallen into a pit is given rope to draw him up and out? Or the person who hungers, is given food? Or a homeless, given house.

The way you people are so evil eh, calling a good thing evil, O Lord it is Truly Time.

Am I insane? Lol...

Enjoy your evening.

Elianawalker:
Am I insane? Lol...

Enjoy your evening.

Do you not know that it is only mad people who exhibit bad thinkings and making bad connections?

Eg 1,10, 2, 5, 9, 6! Instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

Only the insane will count "1,10, 2, 5, 9, 6".

Niflheim:
@op,

1.God has no hands.

Amazing.

2.

Jesus has holes in his hands.

Like all they would hold is liquid?

3.

The god Shiva is always holding 4 different items in each of his 4 hands!!!

LoL, sounds like they got their hands full

4.

The god Tyr, had one of his hands eaten by a wolf!!!

Eya, how's the hand?

Moral to the Story: Putting your trust in a god is like reciting poetry to a goat!!!

Quite a good advice. Our destiny is in our hands. Good one there, but with all these guys having a one or two with their hands, are we good to go or we're equally damned?

Kobojunkie:

2. Man decides for self what course his life is to take.

I think it should be noted that all humans are not equal, contrary to popular belief. Some say go and some go, while some say come and some come, but it usually is not the same person saying come or go who comes and goes.

Basically, some humans decide for themselves, while some are decided for.

budaatum:

Basically, some humans decide for themselves, while some are decided for.

And in both situations God still gives out a Hand or Rope or Pointer but it is left to the person to take it or continue towards the destination such a road goes to.

Dtruthspeaker:


And in both situations God still gives out a Hand or Rope or Pointer but it is left to the person to take it or continue towards the destination such a road goes to.

The roads are there. You decide which turnings to take.

Ladyhippolyta88:

30k, 50,70, 100k and more depending on how many votes you are buying.

Please do you have a legit source

drimzsmoke:



Please do you have a legit source

Nkoli and Huskvoice on Twitter. I don't know of any other legit one. I will not advice Baye tribe to patronise Whema na Ceec and Mercy fan she be.