Hairyrapunzel:



God did not destroy the world during Jesus time. Yet some 8 old men who reside in new York and say they are uninspired and fallible and are prone to errors in doctrinal matters and organizational direction think that God will destroy the world and kill 8 billion people so that the 8 million who belong to their business/publishing company called watchtower organization can inherit earth and peoples property. They have been waiting for over 140 years.

2John 10,11

Riofidelio:
Don't mind US, we're REPENTING sinners trying really HARD to put away the old personality(colossians 3:9 compared to Romans 7:21-25) but at the same time we must warn fellow sinners regarding the LITTLE we know! Ezekiel 3:18 And whoever disregards the warnings we try to stay away from them to avoid being influenced! 1Christians 15:33. Please that's the difference between JWs and none JWs,we're not self righteous,wicked,deceitful or haughty. We're just normal people like you but with a sense of belonging to someone we must always be subjected even when it's not convenient to do so! Matthew 26:41

Which nonsense new personality, stop that Sarcasm rubbish
Ppl who have never studied bible or even religious do not need to be told what is right or how to deal with people. You make it seem like other people are completely bad whereas you are not different but worse than others just different beliefs

Riofidelio:
2John 10,11

Come and see another one Jesus said again


Jesus introduced the standard on how Christian wrongdoers should be treated, saying at Matthew 18:15-17:

"Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector."


I am aware Jesus talked to unbelievers even task collectors. Jesus never shunned anybody. So where did your leaders get the idea of shunning?


E be like say your gb are the Antichrist

They make their own anti Christ teaching

TheLoser:


Which nonsense new personality, stop that Sarcasm rubbish
Ppl who have never studied bible or even religious do not need to be told what is right or how to deal with people. You make it seem like other people are completely bad whereas you are not different but worse than others just different beliefs

Don't mind them. They are taught to believe what their leaders teach them without questioning it. When you read through their watchtower and awake you see them state that the only way you can be kind is to be a Jw. They even state that if you don't belong to their organization and obey their leaders rules it means you are a wicked/unrighteous/evil person and you will die in their upcoming Armageddon.

So much black and white thinking eg If you are not a Jw you are a wicked or evil person Or if you stop worshipping jehovah via his organization that means you have started supporting the devil or have become a wicked/evil/unrighteous person.

Rio has threatened me saying I will be destroyed by his jehovah because I disagree with the gb.
He has also told me that it is better to keep pedophilles and rapists in the family than report the cases to the police.
These people support evil acts and evil people yet claim all non jws are wicked

Obsessed & deluded bigots. Una pain & cry cry on top JW matter just dey start. Eee no get cure. Una done buy market.. Lolz

OneJ:
Obsessed & deluded bigots. Una pain & cry cry on top JW matter just dey start. Eee no get cure. Una done buy market.. Lolz

Abi na una be the deluded and obsessed bigot. Obsessed with Armageddon and deluded by the fact that your sky daddy will come and kill all non Jws so you jws can inherit earth. You go wait tire.
You no fit lie again and thank God for internet.

Hairyrapunzel:



God did not destroy the world during Jesus time. Yet some 8 old men who reside in new York and say they are uninspired and fallible and are prone to errors in doctrinal matters and organizational direction think that God will destroy the world and kill 8 billion people so that the 8 million who belong to their business/publishing company called watchtower organization can inherit earth and peoples property. They have been waiting for over 140 years.

U see your life? Make your deluded brain twist am as U like . Your lie, lie. mouth can't change nothing. Titus 1:1,2. Zeph1:14-18. Rev16:14-16. 2Pet3:13. Heb10:36-39.

OneJ:

U see your life? Make your deluded brain twist am as U like . Your lie, lie. mouth can't change nothing. Titus 1:1,2. Zeph1:14-18. Rev16:14-16. 2Pet3:13. Heb10:36-39.

You will wait till you take your last breath and nothing will happen.
You will die of disappointment like your founding fathers and their followers

TheLoser:


Which nonsense new personality, stop that Sarcasm rubbish
Ppl who have never studied bible or even religious do not need to be told what is right or how to deal with people. You make it seem like other people are completely bad whereas you are not different but worse than others just different beliefs

My friend,What most people don't know is that Jehovah always chose from the tough ones,train and mold them into a useful vessel and start making use of them once they've been molded to HIS taste and standard.Sorry my friend we're Jehovah's witnesses,our God don't make use of dullards but tough people. If you're able to know them before or during their training you won't believe they could ever be useful to HIM! Jacob,Moses,Samson,David,Peter,Paul and many ancient witnesses of Jehovah were tough and rough before Jehovah completed their training, but today their names are in the list of those who pleased HIM wella wella! Hebrews 11:21,23,32 compared to Hebrews 12:1 Moses single-handedly kill and buried a man but Jehovah said of him "he's the meekest of all men during his time"(Numbers 12:3)did Jehovah lied? Certainly not! Because at the time Jehovah made this statement Moses has been trained to become a meek shepherd ready to shepherd a stubborn nation! So wait until most of my brothers and sisters complete their training and see how useful they'll be to Jehovah the one molding US! Jeremiah 18:1-6

TheLoser:


Which nonsense new personality, stop that Sarcasm rubbish
Ppl who have never studied bible or even religious do not need to be told what is right or how to deal with people. You make it seem like other people are completely bad whereas you are not different but worse than others just different beliefs

We are not saying you and your folks are wicked! It's Jehovah who calls all men wicked including ourselves(Psalms 53:1-3 compared to Romans 3:23) the only difference between US and your folks is that we concor to what HE said and willing to take corrections from HIM while most people believe they're OK with some virtuous deeds.(Romans 5:8~But Jehovah's son made US to understand that all those virtuous deeds are like filthy rags before Jehovah so each of US must be prepared to undergo training from HIS Son(who is always obedient to His father so he can teach US how He's able to do that always)because failure to do so means destruction! John 3:16-18 That's what we're trying to say yet Satan has made it look like Christianity (what God's son commissioned for our training) is just trying to be good from our own perspectives,Satan initiated thousands of religions to complicate issues so that people can't distinguish between Jesus' Original group and fake ones making it look like all those different religious groups are Christians, please that's a LIE! Matthew 7:21-23 Satan is the one manipulating people into thinking they're OK (2Corintians 4:4,1John 5:19)without Christ's teachings that's why every other religious groups (despite the contradictions amongst them) always form allies and becoming hostile towards those trying to alert people about Satan's antics. Matthew 10:22

Riofidelio:
We are not saying you and your folks are wicked! It's Jehovah who calls all men wicked including ourselves(Psalms 53:1-3 compared to Romans 3:23) the only difference between US and your folks is that we concor to what HE said and willing to take corrections from HIM while most people believe they're OK with some virtuous deeds.(Romans 5:8~But Jehovah's son made US to understand that all those virtuous deeds are like filthy rags before Jehovah so each of US must be prepared to undergo training from HIS Son(who is always obedient to His father so he can teach US how He's able to do that always)because failure to do so means destruction! John 3:16-18 That's what we're trying to say yet Satan has made it look like Christianity (what God's son commissioned for our training) is just trying to be good from our own perspectives,Satan initiated thousands of religions to complicate issues so that people can't distinguish between Jesus' Original group and fake ones making it look like all those different religious groups are Christians, please that's a LIE! Matthew 7:21-23 Satan is the one manipulating people into thinking they're OK (2Corintians 4:4,1John 5:19)without Christ's teachings that's why every other religious groups (despite the contradictions amongst them) always form allies and becoming hostile towards those trying to alert people about Satan's antics. Matthew 10:22

You will use a verse out of context in which it is used. No wonder shame no allow you quote the whole chapter.

Hairyrapunzel:


You will use a verse out of context in which it is used. No wonder shame no allow you quote the whole chapter.

2John 10,11 so James 5:14

Riofidelio:
2John 10,11 so James 5:14

Jesus did not say to shun the unrepentant wrongdoer, but to treat them as a tax collector, which he himself spoke to and ate with - Matthew 9:11.

Jesus did not avoid those considered apostates, speaking constantly with the scribes & Pharisees, whom he strongly condemned at Matthew chapter 23. On one occasion, he allowed the Pharisee Nicodemus to visit for a Bible discussion, as recorded at John 3:1-21. Jesus even spoke directly to the original apostate, Satan.

You will see that your religion is poo

Hairyrapunzel:


Jesus did not say to shun the unrepentant wrongdoer, but to treat them as a tax collector, which he himself spoke to and ate with - Matthew 9:11.

Jesus did not avoid those considered apostates, speaking constantly with the scribes & Pharisees, whom he strongly condemned at Matthew chapter 23. On one occasion, he allowed the Pharisee Nicodemus to visit for a Bible discussion, as recorded at John 3:1-21. Jesus even spoke directly to the original apostate, Satan.

You will see that your religion is poo

James 5:14 ~ 2John 10,11

We're ever ready to reason along with whoever is willing to discuss from the Bible. Isaiah 1:18 But there are some people we've excommunicated outrightly,these ones are under the influence of the enemy of the truth, they've known all that we know yet they've chosen to stand against it. 1John 2:19 NO! Jesus never said we should shun those who don't understand our mission but THOSE WHO ALREADY KNEW AS PART OF US FOMERLY yet stubbornly decided to disregard our orderliness! it's the custom of the Jews to shun traitors,therefore Jesus told the Christians to treat TRAITORS in the congregation the same way Jews treat TAX COLLECTORS by SHUNNING them completely just as they would do to tax collectors who were regarded as traitors! Matthew 18:15-17 compared to 1Corinthians 5:13 So we avoid them in any way, because there's no more business we have with them. 2Corinthians 6:14,2John 10,11 They went out from amongst US but since they're no more associating with US they only know what they knew when they were still with US,therefore they're EXISTING in constant fear and in torment not knowing what next to happen though they're certain that they'll perish but they're trying to know the timing from US just like their spirit families under Satan. Mark 1:24 1Peter 1:12 This is evident in the way they keep following US everywhere we go,since they're aware that Jehovah won't accept any other form of worship so they agitate with great FEAR whenever we make ANY signal,criticizing US furiously yet ever worried about what we say!

Riofidelio:
James 5:14 ~ 2John 10,11

1 Corinthians 5:11
The majority of information on how to treat wrongdoers within the congregation comes from Paul and the main support the Watchtower uses to enforce shunning is from 1 Corinthians 5.


Dealing With a Case of Incest
5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

From this chapter we see that Paul was warning against people associating with people who commit incest.
He went further to warn against associating with people who are SEXUALLY IMMORAL, GREEDY, IDOLATERS, SLANDERERS, DRUNKS AND SWINDLERS.

HE NEVER MENTIONED EXPELLING PEOPLE WHO QUESTION THE NON SCRIPTURAL TEACHING OF LEADERS IN THE CHURCH/CONGREGATION.


YOUR RELIGION TEACHES NON BIBLICAL THINGS. IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE THEY WOULD EXPEL DISFELLOWSHIPPED PEOPLE FULLY. INFACT I DON'T GET WHERE THEY GET THEIR TEACHING ON DISFELLOWSHIPPED PEOPLE COMING FOR MEETINGS IN ORDER TO BE REINSTATED. YOUR PARADISE EARTH IS DEFINITELY FAKE.

Riofidelio:
We're ever ready to reason along with whoever is willing to discuss from the Bible. Isaiah 1:18 But there are some people we've excommunicated outrightly,these ones are under the influence of the enemy of the truth, they've known all that we know yet they've chosen to stand against it. 1John 2:19 NO! Jesus never said we should shun those who don't understand our mission but THOSE WHO ALREADY KNEW AS PART OF US FOMERLY yet stubbornly decided to disregard our orderliness! it's the custom of the Jews to shun traitors,therefore Jesus told the Christians to treat TRAITORS in the congregation the same way Jews treat TAX COLLECTORS by SHUNNING them completely just as they would do to tax collectors who were regarded as traitors! Matthew 18:15-17 compared to 1Corinthians 5:13 So we avoid them in any way, because there's no more business we have with them. 2Corinthians 6:14,2John 10,11 They went out from amongst US but since they're no more associating with US they only know what they knew when they were still with US,therefore they're EXISTING in constant fear and in torment not knowing what next to happen though they're certain that they'll perish but they're trying to know the timing from US just like their spirit families under Satan. Mark 1:24 1Peter 1:12 This is evident in the way they keep following US everywhere we go,since they're aware that Jehovah won't accept any other form of worship so they agitate with great FEAR whenever we make ANY signal,criticizing US furiously yet ever worried about what we say!

Continue quoting only one verse from every chapter. You are ashamed of quoting the whole chapter or so many chapters because them go catch you. I am sure you have never read the whole chapter because your governing body didn't tell you to. Always using verses out of context to support your non biblical doctrines.
You guys are delusional to think those verses refer to you people.
You guys are mentally ill to think or even say that it is only your form of worship God accepts. Distributing magazines for a publishing corporation is now a form of worship. CULTIST

Riofidelio:
We're ever ready to reason along with whoever is willing to discuss from the Bible. Isaiah 1:18 But there are some people we've excommunicated outrightly,these ones are under the influence of the enemy of the truth, they've known all that we know yet they've chosen to stand against it. 1John 2:19 NO! Jesus never said we should shun those who don't understand our mission but THOSE WHO ALREADY KNEW AS PART OF US FOMERLY yet stubbornly decided to disregard our orderliness! it's the custom of the Jews to shun traitors,therefore Jesus told the Christians to treat TRAITORS in the congregation the same way Jews treat TAX COLLECTORS by SHUNNING them completely just as they would do to tax collectors who were regarded as traitors! Matthew 18:15-17 compared to 1Corinthians 5:13 So we avoid them in any way, because there's no more business we have with them. 2Corinthians 6:14,2John 10,11 They went out from amongst US but since they're no more associating with US they only know what they knew when they were still with US,therefore they're EXISTING in constant fear and in torment not knowing what next to happen though they're certain that they'll perish but they're trying to know the timing from US just like their spirit families under Satan. Mark 1:24 1Peter 1:12 This is evident in the way they keep following US everywhere we go,since they're aware that Jehovah won't accept any other form of worship so they agitate with great FEAR whenever we make ANY signal,criticizing US furiously yet ever worried about what we say!

Who told you it was the custom of the Jews to shun traitors? Jesus talked to tax collectors in the bible. I just forgot you don't read your Bible. Jesus even talked to Pharisees. Why won't you talk to tax collectors? Abi you don't pay tax. Remember give Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Jesus never said you should shun anyone. He never shunned. Jesus even talked to sinners.
Watchtower will speculate and lie to you. You will now come here to spew your deluded teaching. You guys are in a cult. You even believe your God will slaughter 8 billion people so 8 million will inherit earth and peoples properties. You guys are all shades of mentally imbalanced. You guys need deprogramming

Satan and his demons are always crying bitterly (like EGBERE) because Jehovah excommunicated them by keeping them in Tartarus.2Peter 2:4,Jude 6 Jesus taught US to go and preach to strangers who knew nothing about God's promises but to SHUN those who disregards "orderliness"(Matthew 18:15-17) So let them continue AGITATING with FEAR and TREMBLING when God's people are happily and zealously preaching and teaching people about God's Kingdom INDUSTRIOUSLY! Therefore let those who wish to know more contact local witnesses for further information while those who despises "orderliness" will continue to cry and beat their chest in anguish. If Jehovah shuns by keeping HIS disobedient intelligent spirit sons in Tartarus(2Peter 2:4) and Jesus asked US to TREAT UNREPENTANT SINNERS as Jews does to tax collectors(Matthew 18:15-17) Jehovah's witnesses will always shun those who have gone out from our midst just to criticize everything we're doing!(2John 10,11) Let them organize themselves for a BETTER form of worship since they're castigating a orderly and well organized group or are they just to keep agitating without having anything to do as in worship before their creator Let those who have brains use their God's given power of discernment to distinguish between those who are sane and those who's obstinate stubbornness have transformed them into mentally unstable persons!

Riofidelio:
Satan and his demons are always crying bitterly (like EGBERE) because Jehovah excommunicated them by keeping them in Tartarus.2Peter 2:4,Jude 6 Jesus taught US to go and preach to strangers who knew nothing about God's promises but to SHUN those who disregards "orderliness"(Matthew 18:15-17) So let them continue AGITATING with FEAR and TREMBLING when God's people are happily and zealously preaching and teaching people about God's Kingdom INDUSTRIOUSLY! Therefore let those who wish to know more contact local witnesses for further information while those who despises "orderliness" will continue to cry and beat their chest in anguish. If Jehovah shuns by keeping HIS disobedient intelligent spirit sons in Tartarus(2Peter 2:4) and Jesus asked US to TREAT UNREPENTANT SINNERS as Jews does to tax collectors(Matthew 18:15-17) Jehovah's witnesses will always shun those who have gone out from our midst just to criticize everything we're doing!(2John 10,11) Let them organize themselves for a BETTER form of worship since they're castigating a orderly and well organized group or are they just to keep agitating without having anything to do as in worship before their creator Let those who have brains use their God's given power of discernment to distinguish between those who are sane and those who's obstinate stubbornness have transformed them into mentally unstable persons!

Rotflol. You people cannot lie to people again after all this your epistle. You even tell sane people to distinguish using their brains. Have you informed them that using your God given brain to think for yourself is considered apostasy in your cult? Lol.

Sane or normal people see you as sick and mentally unstable. How will people believe you After lying that Jesus shunned people in the Bible? This is hilarious.
People commit grave crimes like you guys do all in the name of religion. Jesus talked and ate with tax collectors you can't change that. Watchtower that used to say disfellowshipping was evil and committed by only pagan religions are now the champions of disfellowshipping.

Do you know if the religion your parents left to join watchtower used to disfellowship them your parents would never have joined watchtower?
You become a psychopath just because you want to justify your doctrine.
Your obstinate stubbornness has turned you into a mentally unstable person.

Today you will still wish for your God to come slaughter 8 billion, today you will still wish for paradise earth to come, today you will still have that insane thought that you will take over the beautiful houses of those who don't listen to you in your new system, today you will still walk under hot sun trying to recruit people, today you will still shun people you have been shunning before because of empty promises made by your leaders and still nothing will happen. At the end of the day it's just wishes all in your head that will never come true.

"Who are Jehovah's witnesses?" Many have passed their comments, some positive and some negative but we have those who have been excommunicated from our midst because they disregarded our spiritual heritage. So they also passed their comments, however we really appreciate everyone who contributed during the discussion.Thanks to everyone of you,we love you all but it's just not possible from our scriptural viewpoint to engage in sacred services together without agreement! So if anyone still have any question,they're free to approach my brothers and sisters in their respective localities.The social media is not our field for entertaining thought provoking questions from the Bible therefore to everyone that's been following this thread i'm using this opportunity to say farewell!!!... Riofidelio

Riofidelio:
"Who are Jehovah's witnesses?" Many have passed their comments, some positive and some negative but we have those who have been excommunicated from our midst because they disregarded our spiritual heritage. So they also passed their comments, however we really appreciate everyone who contributed during the discussion.Thanks to everyone of you,we love you all but it's just not possible from our scriptural viewpoint to engage in sacred services together without agreement! So if anyone still have any question,they're free to approach my brothers and sisters in their respective localities.The social media is not our field for entertaining thought provoking questions from the Bible therefore to everyone that's been following this thread i'm using this opportunity to say farewell!!!... Riofidelio

So the crime you accused the catholics of committing has become the thing you have become proud of? Lol
You said Catholics are bad because they excommunicate now you do the same thing. True religion indeed. I wonder which of the crimes you accuse Christendom of committing now will become your doctrine and belief tomorrow. Interesting

Riofidelio:
"Who are Jehovah's witnesses?" Many have passed their comments, some positive and some negative but we have those who have been excommunicated from our midst because they disregarded our spiritual heritage. So they also passed their comments, however we really appreciate everyone who contributed during the discussion.Thanks to everyone of you,we love you all but it's just not possible from our scriptural viewpoint to engage in sacred services together without agreement! So if anyone still have any question,they're free to approach my brothers and sisters in their respective localities.The social media is not our field for entertaining thought provoking questions from the Bible therefore to everyone that's been following this thread i'm using this opportunity to say farewell!!!... Riofidelio

It will be better if you take time out to seek out Hairyrapunzel perspective on all of these. Why it seems his comment seems like one attacking the JWs. It might seem so in some cases yet he is picking out issues that should be addressed or you try and convince him on some of his disagreement concerning the things he believed about the JWs.


You are still young in the organization, that I can say by the way you address and respond to issues raised so far. Take your time to ground yourself more spiritually.

'there's more to this than meets the eye' it is a situation not as simple as it seems to be.


In fulfilling the law of the christ as you might have learnt recently, I believe there will be constant conflict between an individual who is under a religious denomination to fulfill the law of the christ.


The laws, creed, decrees, judicial decisions,
condemnation of that religious denomination you subscribe too will not allow you to fulfill the law of the christ.

One of such law all religious denomination subscribing to be christians are struggling to fulfil is Galatians 6:10.


One only need to read Galatians 6 to see the inadequacies of the religious denominations.

But dont forget Gal 6:5 we are to carry our own load. No religious denomination or organization will do that for us.

Galatians 6:5 was never written or addressed to religious organization. It was to all christians as individuals.

GOD'S WARNING TO JEHOVAH WITNESSES- Rachael Mushala

"They have gone out into the world and call themselves my witnesses. They witness nothing about me. They teach anti-Christ doctrines like, that there is no hell. This way the make people relax in their sins. Their teachings are against everything I taught. I said their is hell, they say there is no hell. I said the grave is not the end of a persons life, they say the grave is the end. I said I will come again, they say I will not come. I said in My Word that I will pour out My Spirit in the last days, but they say that Spiritual gifts do not exist anymore. They also deny My Holy Spirit and say that He is just a force. They are clearly against me. How they love to use human knowledge to explain My Word instead of being led by the Holy Spirit! They are Spiritually sleeping. Tell them that not one member of that Church will enter my Holy Kingdom. Not even one! They had better amend their ways and give up their doctrines"

achorladey:

It will be better if you take time out to seek out Hairyrapunzel perspective on all of these. Why it seems his comment seems like one attacking the JWs. It might seem so in some cases yet he is picking out issues that should be addressed or you try and convince him on some of his disagreement concerning the things he believed about the JWs.


You are still young in the organization, that I can say by the way you address and respond to issues raised so far. Take your time to ground yourself more spiritually.

'there's more to this than meets the eye' it is a situation not as simple as it seems to be.


In fulfilling the law of the christ as you might have learnt recently, I believe there will be constant conflict between an individual who is under a religious denomination to fulfill the law of the christ.


The laws, creed, decrees, judicial decisions,
condemnation of that religious denomination you subscribe too will not allow you to fulfill the law of the christ.

One of such law all religious denomination subscribing to be christians are struggling to fulfil is Galatians 6:10.


One only need to read Galatians 6 to see the inadequacies of the religious denominations.

But dont forget Gal 6:5 we are to carry our own load. No religious denomination or organization will do that for us.

Galatians 6:5 was never written or addressed to religious organization. It was to all christians as individuals.

You need to wake up from your slumber sir, looking at the precedents in the Bible, you will discover our great God does not deliver or save in isolation. You need to examine the case of Noah and his family. Can you honestly tell me everyone was bad or wicked during the period Noah lived?? Being in that ark was the only means of salvation. doesn't count whether you are good or bad!

let's examine the event also at the Red sea..Did God deliver the Israelites individually or as a group? Some Egyptians even joined them and they were granted salvation.

Before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E, you remember Jesus Christ passed a warning to the Christians living back then..how did Jesus pass the warning? individual or group basis?

God has been organizing His people from time immemorial. it is impossible to serve God in isolation and be expecting salvation. You must serve Him along with His people. Heb. 10:24,25

haywizzy007:
You need to wake up from your slumber sir, looking at the precedents in the Bible, you will discover our great God does not deliver or save in isolation. You need to examine the case of Noah and his family. Can you honestly tell me everyone was bad or wicked during the period Noah lived?? Being in that ark was the only means of salvation. doesn't count whether you are good or bad!

let's examine the event also at the Red sea..Did God deliver the Israelites individually or as a group? Some Egyptians even joined them and they were granted salvation.

Before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E, you remember Jesus Christ passed a warning to the Christians living back then..how did Jesus pass the warning? individual or group basis?

God has been organizing His people from time immemorial. it is impossible to serve God in isolation and be expecting salvation. You must serve Him along with His people. Heb. 10:24,25

Your reasoning is flawed. God saved by using family units or a particular ethnic group in the old testament. And non of them ever led to everlasting or eternal life in the Bible. Never in the Bible did Jesus or the apostles give any hint that salvation will be granted unless you join a group or belong to the group. Moreover you guys are found of taking verses out of Context. It's like you have never read the preceding and follow up verses in that chapter.

haywizzy007:
You need to wake up from your slumber sir, looking at the precedents in the Bible, you will discover our great God does not deliver or save in isolation. You need to examine the case of Noah and his family. Can you honestly tell me everyone was bad or wicked during the period Noah lived?? Being in that ark was the only means of salvation. doesn't count whether you are good or bad!

let's examine the event also at the Red sea..Did God deliver the Israelites individually or as a group? Some Egyptians even joined them and they were granted salvation.

Before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E, you remember Jesus Christ passed a warning to the Christians living back then..how did Jesus pass the warning? individual or group basis?

God has been organizing His people from time immemorial. it is impossible to serve God in isolation and be expecting salvation. You must serve Him along with His people. Heb. 10:24,25

Organizing people doesn't mean the people joined an organization/a corporation/a publishing company. All the destruction in the Bible never lead to eternal life. So many verses in the Bible point to faith in Jesus and grace of God being the means by which we would get salvation. I don't know where you guys picked up being organized or serving God in an organized way will guarantee you salvation.

Hairyrapunzel:


Organizing people doesn't mean the people joined an organization/a corporation/a publishing company. All the destruction in the Bible never lead to eternal life. So many verses in the Bible point to faith in Jesus and grace of God being the means by which we would get salvation. I don't know where you guys picked up being organized or serving God in an organized way will guarantee you salvation.

Lool...just listen to yourself, organizing people doesn't mean God has an organization, you are on a long thing bro...God has not changed, he doesn't cherry pick people for salvation. He has always been organizing and teaching His people to do His will.

haywizzy007:
Lool...just listen to yourself, organizing people doesn't mean God has an organization, you are on a long thing bro...God has not changed, he doesn't cherry pick people for salvation. He has always been organizing and teaching His people to do His will.

Where in the Bible did God say he has an organization? Mention a passage. I am waiting.

haywizzy007:
You need to wake up from your slumber sir, looking at the precedents in the Bible, you will discover our great God does not deliver or save in isolation. You need to examine the case of Noah and his family. Can you honestly tell me everyone was bad or wicked during the period Noah lived?? Being in that ark was the only means of salvation. doesn't count whether you are good or bad!

let's examine the event also at the Red sea..Did God deliver the Israelites individually or as a group? Some Egyptians even joined them and they were granted salvation.

Before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E, you remember Jesus Christ passed a warning to the Christians living back then..how did Jesus pass the warning? individual or group basis?

God has been organizing His people from time immemorial. it is impossible to serve God in isolation and be expecting salvation. You must serve Him along with His people. Heb. 10:24,25

haywizzy007: You need to wake up from your slumber sir,

Achorladey: I believe you can do so with convincing evidence backed up by the scriptures.
haywizzy007: looking at the precedents in the Bible, you will discover our great God does not deliver or save in isolation.

Achorladey: That is if you know what Isolation really means.

haywizzy007: You need to examine the case of Noah and his family. Can you honestly tell me everyone was bad or wicked during the period Noah lived??

Achorladey: I am not a reader of heart to decide that. But from the Bible account I can say Genesis 7:1 After that Jehovah said to Noah "Go into the ark you and all your household, because you are the one I have found to be righteous before me among this generation.

haywizzy007:Being in that ark was the only means of salvation. doesn't count whether you are good or bad!

Achorladey: Agreed!!! The ark was indeed the means God used to save Noah and his family but do not forget easily the recent study of the Watchtower article March 2018. The ark is not an organisation, Noah is not the head of God's organisation on earth back then. The ark symbolises the fact that Noah individually ''did all what Jehovah commanded him to do". 1 Peter 3:20,21 which corresponds to our own baptism today. We must be ready to do what the law of christ he ask us to do individually no one will carry our load for us. No organisation can legislate on that.
Genesis 7:1God called Noah "righteous". This your good or bad palaver it is left for you to decide I can't say anything categorical on that.

haywizzy007: let's examine the event also at the Red sea..Did God deliver the Israelites individually or as a group? Some Egyptians even joined them and they were granted salvation.

Achorladey: All of them got delivered individually because they heed the instructions given to them via Moses individually if they fail to heed such instructions as individuals thinking "they are "Isrealites" in their mind and that God will understand" they will of course suffer the many calamities that befell the Egyptian despite being Israelites. The Egyptian that got saved did so individually as well.


haywizzy007: Before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E, you remember Jesus Christ passed a warning to the Christians living back then..how did Jesus pass the warning? individual or group basis?

Achorladey: Jesus gave that warning to his disciples back then Matthew 24:1-3. They weren't known as Christians yet. It will seems the instructions go to them as a group yet it must be acted upon by all of them as individuals. In fact it must be received individually.


God has been organizing His people from time immemorial. it is impossible to serve God in isolation and be expecting salvation. You must serve Him along with His people. Heb. 10:24,25

God is indeed God of order not of disorderliness right from everlasting to everlasting all of these can be felt in the things created. Our salvation is not based in any organisation or denominations. It is based on John 3:16, John 14:6. We are all encouraged to work it out on our own Phillipians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
You cannot obey the law of the christ in Isolation.
JWs want to see themselves as being isolated from others yet we are to do good to all those related to us in faith. Those related to us in faith is it restricted to Jws alone?

Hairyrapunzel:


Where in the Bible did God say he has an organization? Mention a passage. I am waiting.

Stop being ridiculous, it is like you asking me to show you the word 'bible' in the holy scriptures..
Did God organize people in the past? YES OR NO? Has God changed? YES OR NO?

Rev. 18:4.. And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, MY PEOPLE, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues

what is the meaning of 'my people' in the verse above? disorganization?...lol

achorladey:

haywizzy007: You need to wake up from your slumber sir,

Achorladey: I believe you can do so with convincing evidence backed up by the scriptures.
haywizzy007: looking at the precedents in the Bible, you will discover our great God does not deliver or save in isolation.

Achorladey: That is if you know what Isolation really means.

haywizzy007: You need to examine the case of Noah and his family. Can you honestly tell me everyone was bad or wicked during the period Noah lived??

Achorladey: I am not a reader of heart to decide that. But from the Bible account I can say Genesis 7:1 After that Jehovah said to Noah "Go into the ark you and all your household, because you are the one I have found to be righteous before me among this generation.

haywizzy007:Being in that ark was the only means of salvation. doesn't count whether you are good or bad!

Achorladey: Agreed!!! The ark was indeed the means God used to save Noah and his family but do not forget easily the recent study of the Watchtower article March 2018. The ark is not an organisation, Noah is not the head of God's organisation on earth back then. The ark symbolises the fact that Noah individually ''did all what Jehovah commanded him to do". 1 Peter 3:20,21 which corresponds to our own baptism today. We must be ready to do what the law of christ he ask us to do individually no one will carry our load for us. No organisation can legislate on that.
Genesis 7:1God called Noah "righteous". This your good or bad palaver it is left for you to decide I can't say anything categorical on that.

haywizzy007: let's examine the event also at the Red sea..Did God deliver the Israelites individually or as a group? Some Egyptians even joined them and they were granted salvation.

Achorladey: All of them got delivered individually because they heed the instructions given to them via Moses individually if they fail to heed such instructions as individuals thinking "they are "Isrealites" in their mind and that God will understand" they will of course suffer the many calamities that befell the Egyptian despite being Israelites. The Egyptian that got saved did so individually as well.


haywizzy007: Before Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 C.E, you remember Jesus Christ passed a warning to the Christians living back then..how did Jesus pass the warning? individual or group basis?

Achorladey: Jesus gave that warning to his disciples back then Matthew 24:1-3. They weren't known as Christians yet. It will seems the instructions go to them as a group yet it must be acted upon by all of them as individuals. In fact it must be received individually.


God has been organizing His people from time immemorial. it is impossible to serve God in isolation and be expecting salvation. You must serve Him along with His people. Heb. 10:24,25

God is indeed God of order not of disorderliness right from everlasting to everlasting all of these can be felt in the things created. Our salvation is not based in any organisation or denominations. It is based on John 3:16, John 14:6. We are all encouraged to work it out on our own Phillipians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
You cannot obey the law of the christ in Isolation.
JWs want to see themselves as being isolated from others yet we are to do good to all those related to us in faith. Those related to us in faith is it restricted to Jws alone?

Don't get me wrong, being in Jehovah's organization is not an automatic ticket for salvation, there was even a Judas among Jesus' apostles. it is not automatic, buh very crucial

imagine a faithful Israelite back then heard moses instruction and then decided to go through a different route not wanting to join the thousands crossing the Red sea...what do you think would happen?

The race for life is personal, buh all over the world millions of brothers and sisters are united in this race..it is either you are in or out, you can't sit on the fence..