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| Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 3:51pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
I choose and accept Islam because I see it as the most rational world view out of many world views that exist today. Let me start explaining my points. We have atheism, hinduism, buddhism etc on one part. Then we have Judaism, Christianity and Islam on another part. Let consider the atheism: Atheists are those who reject the existence of God. They only affirm the existence of nature. However, they agree that ; nature is not aware of itself, nature cannot think, nature cannot see, nature cannot hear, nature cannot speak. Yet they believe that human beings with full self awareness that are capable of thinking, capable of seeing, capable of hearing and capable of speaking over 6000 different languages evolved from the same very nature. That is a logical contradiction! Therefore, Atheism can never be true Again Hinduism, Buddhism and the likes believe that god exist but this god is impersonal. How could impersonal god ( that lack free will) create personal human beings which consist of male and female? What of Judaism; one of the obvious problem of Judaism is that it is too restricted to some certain places. If it is truly the world view that God want us to adopt, then at this present time, it should be within our reach. We should have free access to it like Christianity and Islam. But this is not so. Besides, there is no any verse in their scriptures commanding the believers to persuade the general people to embrace Judaism. Now we are left with Christianity and Islam. The major reason why I believe Islam to be far more rational than Christianity is the fact that Qur'an is consistent in establishing that God is God and Jesus is not God but a mighty prophet of God who was born miraculously by virgin Mary. However, unlike Qur'an, Bible is not consistent with the identity of God. If it says Jesus is God in one place, then it will say Jesus is not God in another place. Since knowing " WHO THE GOD IS " is the foundational doctrine of any true religious faith, there should be no any iota of confusion regarding the identity of God. Unfortunately, this is not so in Christianity. John1:1 declare:" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Here we see that THE WORD = GOD In John 1:14, it states "The Word became flesh, and made His dwelling among us." Here we see again that JESUS = THE WORD. Simple logic declares that if A=B and B=C then A=C. Therefore, since JESUS = THE WORD and THE WORD = GOD, then JESUS = GOD Now that we have seen how the book of John established that Jesus is God, let us investigate whether the remaining part of the Bible support this claim or not. 1. Jesus was praying to the Father and he said; And this is eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent (John 17:3). If the Father is the "only true God" according to Jesus Christ, then how could Jesus be God ? 2. Similarly in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”. If Jesus is God , then can God have another God? 3. Also Luke 6:12 recorded that Jesus went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself ? 4. Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “My Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is God, why is he having someone greater than him? Can anybody be greater than God? 5. Again in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man who called him good teacher as follows: “why do you call me good? No one is good, but one, that is God”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and submit that all goodness belongs only to God? 6. Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me”. If Jesus is God, why did he clearly distinguish himself from God? 7. Finally in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”. If Jesus is God, why did he confess his ignorance about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to God? Can God be ignorant of anything? As you can see, there is no way we can reconcile John 1:1,14 (which teaches that Jesus is God ) with other verses of the Bible that dispute this claim. This is the reason why Jehovah witnesses were forced to translate John 1:1 as " In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god" . They change the term "and the word was God" in all other versions of the Bible to "and the word was a god" in their NWT Bible. Therefore, by refering to Jesus as a lesser "god", they managed to run away from the problem of calling Jesus God. However, as they managed to run away from the problem of accepting Jesus as God , they were unable to run away from the problem of accepting him as " master worker of all creation" . In other words , like other Christian denominations, the Jehovah witnesses believe that God created everything THROUGH Jesus Christ . They believe that God did not create anything EXCEPT Jesus. i:e God created Jesus, then it was Jesus that created all other things including the heavens and the earth. So according to their claim, Jesus is the immediate creator of all things. That God created everything through ( or by )Jesus Christ is no where to be found in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke. It is only found in the books written by Paul and John; Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.( 1st Corinthians 8:6). For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH him and for him ( Colossians 1:16). THROUGH him ALL THINGS WERE MADE ; without him nothing was made that has been made (John 1:3) 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 3:53pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
But is it really true that God created all things through Jesus christ ? Let see what God Almighty say about this matter ; "This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF -(WHO WAS WITH ME AT THAT TIME?) (Isaiah 44:24 KJV, ISV)". "MY OWN HAND laid the foundations of the earth, and MY RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. (Isaiah 48:13)". It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. MY OWN HANDS stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts (Isaiah 45:12) "For My HAND made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD( Isaiah 66:2) As you can see from above, Paul and John proclaimed that God created all things THROUGH Jesus Christ. But God Almighty Himself declare that He created all things ALL ALONE, BY HIMSELF , BY HIS OWN HANDS AND NOBODY WAS WITH HIM. What better words do we expect God to use before we can believe that He created the heavens and the earth without the assistance of anybody. But unfortunately for the Christians they prefer the words of men ( that can commit error) to those infallible words that came DIRECTLY from God's mouth. Here we can see how Paul and John contradict God Almighty on the issue of creation. The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that Jesus is God. But as we have already established above, there are many verses of Bible that will never support this assumption. Consequently, if Jehovah witnesses manage to escape the problem of accepting Jesus as God, there is no way they can escape the problem of accepting him as master worker of all creation. Have you now agreed with me that the problem of "Who is God ?" and "who is the creator ?" is yet to be resolved in world of Christianity as a whole. This is a FOUNDATIONAL problem that can never be overlooked. As we all know, any beautiful mansion that is erected on a very weak foundation is bound to collapse! This fact alone, if properly understood, is enough for any sincere seeker of truth to have preference for Islam over Christianity. Unlike Bible, Qur'an is consistently establishing that Allah is God and creator of all things. There are some Christians who want to argue that Allah is not God. I will only advice these Christians to get a Bible translated in Arabic language. They will discover that there is no other name the authors used for God except Allah ( the same spelling with that of Qur'an). Since God is the originator and creator of all languages, there is nothing wrong if God use Allah for himself in Quran because Qur'an was revealed in Arabic language and there is no any other name that Arabs used for God other than Allah. What these Christians suppose to do is to investigate whether the description and identity given to Allah in Qur'an actually tallies with that of God Almighty. Reading those verses of Qur'an quoted below are enough to convince you that description and identity of the speaker (Allah) tallies perfectly with that of God Almighty, the God of Israel. “O children of Israel! Remember My special favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I have sent down ( i:e this Qur’an) confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to reject it, nor sell My verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone (Qur’an 2:40-41)”. I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth and not (even) their own creation, nor was I to take the misleaders as helpers (Qur'an 18:51) And that was Our proof which We gave to Abraham against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing. And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided. And before him We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. And Zachariah, and John and Jesus and Elias, all in the ranks of the righteous. And Ishmael and Elisha, and Jonah and Lot; each one of them We preferred above the nations. And also some of their fathers, and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to a straight path. This is the guidance of God with which He guides whomsoever He wills of His servants. But if they had joined in worship others with God, all their deeds would have been of no benefit to them. They are whom We gave the book, and authority and prophet hood…They are those whom God had guided. So follow their guidance (Qur’an6:84-90). O My servants who believe! Certainly, My earth is spacious. Therefore worship Me and Me alone. Every soul shall have a taste of death. Then to Us you shall be brought back (Qur’an 29:56-57). When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he called on Me. Therefore, let them also obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be walked in the right way (Qur’an2:186). We did not send before you (O Muhammad-pbuh) any messenger but We inspired him that there is no God beside Me; therefore worship Me (Qur’an 21:25) As you can see, all the personal pronouns in all the verses of Qur'an cited above can never be referred CONTEXTUALLY to any other person except God. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Maamin(m): 6:07am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Yet you can't worship this God in any other language except Arabic, you can't call his name in any other language to worship except the Arabic name Allah. Trust me this your Allah is different from the one that sent the Jewish prophets and patriarchs. Gal.1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." 2 Cor. 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which spel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has no covenant with the Arabians. 11 Likes |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by MrPRevailer(m): 8:02am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22 To answer your 2nd post which I only read but a few things, 1) There is no contradiction about Jesus being God. You simply lack knowledge of what is. 2) Read John 1:1. "The WORD was with God and The WORD was God. Let it sink deep into your Mendula Oblagata 3) Genesis 1:28. "So God created man in his own image and likeness. In his image created he them, male and female" Human: The Body, The Soul and The Spirit. God: The Father, The Word and The Holyghost 3 in 1. 7 Likes |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by MrPRevailer(m): 8:42am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22 You will embrace Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour. 1 Like |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by enilove(m): 8:47am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Your most "rational world view " is going to take you to hell. There was a time when about 99% of the world populations believed the EARTH WAS FLAT , but they were RATIONALLY WRONG. What is rational about Islam to you , is it the killings & shedding of innocent blood by its followers or the promise of hell that awaits you after death ? Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770: Sahih Bukhari : Narrated Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.' There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, oill."............ 2 Likes |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 9:02am On Jun 23, 2018 |
MrPRevailer: Mr. Mendula Oblagata, why jump to his 2nd post without addressing the points he raised in his 1st post?  Or are you also suffering from selective amnesia like your pastors & G.Os do in cherry picking questions that only suit their selfish interests while leaving out the ones beyond their dead-brains? Hey, I am neither a christian nor a muslim by the way. I'm just a refree observing & supervising this debate. Hahahahahaaaaaa!  5 Likes 2 Shares
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| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 11:04am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Islam is a very good religion just like every other religion and it's beautiful seeing people coming together to worship one single God amoniously with orderliness. However there are questions that Islam left unanswered,(1) Why is it that there has never risen a (known) prophet from other nationalities except Israel and why only Muhammad from Saudi Arabia? (2) Why is it that Quran often contradicts the book that's from the first set of prophets (Bible) yet they both claimed being inspired by the same God? (3) What are the criteria for Muhammad to be accepted as a prophet from the same God and can any other person claim to be a prophet too? (4) Who are the witnesses that God inspired to write the Quran like the Bible that has 40 different writers(witnesses) all from the same race? (5) Other prophets were sent to those who already had a covenant with the law giver so how come Muhammad was sent first to those who knew nothing about God's word? (6) What new information has Muhammad brought that's of significant? (7) Let's agree that Muhammad didn't fabricate the whole thing out of Catholicism but why so much similarities as that was the ONLY popular religion of his time?(  What is the name of the God who sent Muhammad because Allah simply means God whereas every nation has a unique name of their God apart from the title "God"? (9) The Christians believe in redemption (through Jesus' ransom sacrifice)since Adam and Eve lost their perfect abode,so according to Muhammad what should believers do to regain salvation or that perfect abode? (10) Why must worshippers be called each time for sacred services that they supposed to have mastered for over a millennium?4 Likes |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 5:10pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
In response to question 1; God promised Abraham that a nation will be formed through the lineage of Ishmael- Genesis 17:20, 21:13. It is a well known fact that Ishmael is the father of Arab nation- Galatians 4:22-25. Jesus also informed the Jews that kingdom of God will be taken away from them and be given to another nation-Matthew 21:43. In response to your question 2 ;where is it stated that the WHOLE of the Bible is inspired by God? In fact, the author of the book of Luke wrote as follows: “IT SEEMED GOOD TO ME ALSO, having had perfect understanding of all things from the beginning, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:3)”. You can see that St Luke wrote his Gospel not because he was inspired by God but because it seemed good to him to write such an account due to his thought of having a sound knowledge on the matter. In fact, he wrote his Gospel not to the general humanity (like you and I) but to one specific influential person he addressed as "most excellent Theophilus" as clearly seen in the verse cited above. In response to your question 3: Qur'an is the greatest evidence for his heavenly mission. God Almighty says as follows in the book of Deuteronomy ;"And if you say in your heart; How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is the word the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)". Base on these very verses, what then can we say about the Qur’an whose author spoke in the name of the Lord of Israel as shown in the verses quoted at the end of my 2nd post? Are we going to accept it as the word of the Lord of Israel or reject it as the word of a great impersonator? In the verses of the Deuteronomy quoted just above, the only acid test put forward by God to distinguish His actual word from the word of His impersonator is that the word of such impersonator would not come to pass or come true. But Qur’an contains many words of prophecy which have come to pass and come true. For example, one of the great prophecies is that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be victorious over his enemies (Qur’an 58:20-21). Another prophecy is that Islam will be established and continue to spread, and the number of Muslims will continue to grow (Qur’an 24:55, 110:1-2, 48:28). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be protected from destruction and corruption (Qur’an 15:9). Another prophecy is that Qur’an will be made easy for memorization (Qur’an 54:17, 22, 40). Another prophecy is that people will continue to pay visitation to the house of God in Mecca (Qur’an 22:26-28, 2:125). All these prophecies are known to be true. If they were not true, we would not have a religion known as Islam and we would not have a book known as Qur’an at this present time. In response to question 4: God only inspired the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he would then dictate the inspirations to his companions for documentation. Everything was written down before the death of the prophet; unlike the New Testament that was only written after Jesus departure. In response to question 5: Is God not the God of the Jews and the Gentiles? Since all the prophets of God were sent to the Jews including Jesus (for he said I was not sent except to the lost sheep of Israel-Matt 15:24) in fulfillment of the promise made to Abraham on the lineage of Isaac. Then God make the last prophet to be sent to the gentiles in fulfilment of the promise made to Abraham on the lineage of Ishmael - Genesis 17:20, 21:13. In response to question 6, Prophet of Islam bring many new information including how Jesus escape death on the cross in a miraculous way, It also explain in details the events on the day of Judgement . In response to Question 7, in what way does Islam resemble catholicism. If the prophet of Islam follow the catholics, why did Qur'an rejects many of their doctrines like trinity, atonement through Jesus crucifixion, only begotten son of God and so on? Is it because of rosary used by the muslims? Infact you can never find this practice in the Quran or the hadith. Majority of the scholars regard the use of rosary as innovation into the religion of islam. In response to question 8: what do you think is going to happen if the prophet inform the Arabs that the name of their God whom they believe to be their creator is not Allah but Jehovah ? Have you forgotten that God is the originator of all languages? Are you saying each ethnic group do not have their respective name for God? The point you are trying to raise is irrelavant. The most important thing is for the people to understand that their God is one and He is the creator of the heaven and the earth and they should be worshipping this one and only God, the Lord of the universe. It is this Lord of universe they called Allah in their own language. What if some people are worshipping the sun and call it Jehovah? Are they on the right path? What people understand or have in their mind to be their God is the most important thing, not the name of that God. In response to question 9; The redemption through Jesus' ransom sacrifice on the cross cannot be true because of the following reasons 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 5:15pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
1. Condemnation of an innocent and righteous soul for the sins he has never committed is illogical and act of injustice that is clearly forbidden in the Bible (Matthew 12:7, Proverb 17:15, Exodus 23:7, Psalm 34:22). Besides, Bible make it clear that any one that is crucified is accursed by God ( Galatians 3:13). How then are we to conceive a merciful God putting His beloved prophet under His curse when God of course knew that Jesus never did anything wrong? A beloved prophet of God under the curse of God? What a contradiction ! God must have chosen a more rational way to earn our salvation ( other than cursing and condemning His beloved prophet) if truly He is All-powerful and All-knowing creator that planned everything from begining to end. Yes, the rational way which God has chosen to earn our salvation is sincere repentance: “Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we arewasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then turn from their sins and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live(Ezekiel 33:10-16)" . You can see that God did not ask the wicked sinners to believe in Jesus crucifixion before their sins can be forgiven (or before they can live) in all these verses. What He actually wants from them is sincere repentance from their sinful ways. Qur'an also pass the same message: O you who believe! Turn to Allah with sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will remit from you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow (Qur'an 66: 2. It seems to give the believers a freedom to commit sin without any consequence. Telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their sins since one innocent man had already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins as long as they believe in this atonement sacrifice. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus make this sin atonement doctrine to be even more illogical because if the punishment which Jesus received in place of the sinners is a continuous one and not temporary, then this can make the sinful believers to feel sorry for Jesus and become more remorseful. This may discourage them from committing more sin. But since according to the Christians, Jesus had been resurrected and the punishment received by Jesus in place of the sinners had already ended, then there is no any cause for alarm if the sinful believers in this doctrine seized this opportunity to commit more sins. In fact, one would expect the sinful believers to utilize and maximize this opportunity by committing more sins since the punishment for those sins had already been accomplished by Jesus on the cross in the time past. Have you now seen that atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion is the most illogical concept you can ever think of! 3. It leaves no room for God's forgiveness. If God needs someone to “pay the price” for sin, does God ever really forgive anyone? Think about it. If you owe me a thousand naira and I hold you to it unless someone pays me the owed sum, did I really forgive your debt? It seems not, especially since the very concept of forgiveness is about releasing a debt — not collecting it from someone else. 4. Atonement of sins through animal sacrifice in the Old Testament is sufficient and perfect enough to make the doctrine of sin atonement through Jesus crucifixion to be meaningless and unnecessary. Leviticus 16:21-30 says as follow: "the GOAT will carry on itself all the sins of Israelites to a remote place and the man shall release the goat in the wilderness…..Then beforethe LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS”. ". If God can truly atone for our sins through animal sacrifice as the verse just quoted above suggest, there is no need for God to shed the blood of innocent human being for sin atonement sacrifice Therefore, using the blood of innocent human being for sacrifice is paganism and barbarism in nature ; In fact, it does not portray the character of all All-merciful and omnipotent God. 5. Repeatedly, the scriptures make it clear that one person can not die for the sin of another (Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, 2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6, Jeremiah 31:30, Exodus 32:30-34, Psalm 49:7). Therefore, Jesus cannot die for our sins on the cross at Calvary. 6. Redemption through Jesus death on the cross cannot be actualised in the life of the Old Testament saints (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because this redemption work was yet to happen as at that time.Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God before they die (unless you can show me a biblical verse to prove that these old testament saints were in a state of damnation until Jesus crucifixion ). So if these old testament saints, who happened to be among the children of Adam, can gain eternal life without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for other children of Adam to gain eternal life other than Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, there is no need for God to curse and condemn his beloved prophet almost Unclad on the cross before we can earn our salvation. 7. Jesus himself seek forgiveness of sins for people even though he was yet to be supposedly crucified (Matthew 9:2 ). This again prove to us that God is not in need of Jesus death on the cross before He can forgive our sins. SINCERE REPENTANCE FROM OUR SINFUL WAYS IS THE WAY THAT ISLAM HAS PROVIDED TO REGAIN OUR SALVATION AND RECONCILATION BACK TO GOD; COMPARE QUR'AN 66:8 WITH EZEKIEL 33:10-16 QUOTED ABOVE IN THE FIRST REASON 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 8:25pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Well i'll prefer to settle it one by one.You quoted Genesis 17 but please let us meditate on verses 20&21 where God clearly stated "I have heard your words concerning Ishmael (because he was Abraham's first born) but my covenant i will establish with Isaac which Sarah your (legal) wife will born for you" Moreover at Genesis chapter 16:11,12 God's angel clearly said "Ismael's hand will be against all people and all people's hands will be against him" please explain this verse to me for enlightenment because that sounds like saying Ishmael and his descendants will become terrorists to me "killing people and people killing them" and obviously something like that is happening to all those Nations propagating Islam today as most of them are sponsoring terrorists and their nations is vandalised by world powers. Moreover you mentioned the verse where Jesus said the kingdom shall be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation PRODUCING IT'S FRUIT, please what specifically is that fruit and explain how has Saudi Arabia being producing it? You also said based on your understanding of the scriptures "someone shouldn't be suffering for the error he/she didn't commit" If so please why are we hear? and why must people suffer from injustice,depression, sickness and death? What is the role of Muhammad in this case? |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by plainbibletruth: 9:39pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22: 1. The quran NEVER denied that there was a crucifixion. 2. In the narrative of the quran Allah SUBSTITUTED another person in place of Jesus. 3. So, the quran shows that there can be a SUBSTITUTIONARY death - one person can die in the place of another person. 4. Moslems therefore have NO REASON to argue that one person cannot be a SUBSTITUTE for another since the quran clearly claims that such a thing happened. 5. If another person PAYS a debtor's debt, can it be ILLOGICAL to say that the debt has been paid? Obviously not! Except to a person with a warped reasoning. If a debt has been paid then it has been paid! No law court will rule otherwise unless Islam's judicial system operates on an upside down logic. 6. So, Abdulgaffar22, is Islam's claim of SUBSTITUTIONARY death on the cross logical or illogical and an act of injustice? 3 Likes |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Right from the garden of Eden God promised obedient children that comes from Adam a redemption from that curse upon their biological father (Adam). Genesis 3:15 Since then all righteous ones have been expecting the arrival of a SEED(offspring) that will redeem US from the consequence of Adam's rebellion. Genesis 22:18,49:10 God always declared the lineage through which we should be expecting the promised child by always calling HIMSELF The God of Abraham the God of Isaac the God of Jacob(Israel) There is none of those who lived before Jesus that's worthy of everlasting life until they are resurrected to come back and learn what the Messiah taught people.Revelation 20:11-13 If they failed to comply then they're as good as their biological father Adam who is now dead forever! Revelation 20:15 That is why Jesus said no man before John the Baptist is greater than John because none of them had the opportunity of seeing the promised Messiah. Matthew 11:11 compared to Luke 2:25-38 So ACCORDING to the Bible the Israelites have been expecting the Messiah who will become our redeemer that's greater than all those prior to his arrival. John 4:25,26 The Bible needs NO presumptuous declaration of God saying it's authentic because all the nations under the heavens knew how the true God dealt with these people and inspired them a lot.So it's the Quran that needs recommendation since God has at no time in the past had anything to do with the race of Ismael from whom the writers of the Quran came! Genesis 17:20,21 |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 2:38am On Jun 24, 2018 |
If it is true that God has nothing to do with the race of Ishmael, then Islam is fake and Christianity is the truth. Now address the points raised in my original post- the first and the second post. Using those biblical verses, explain to us how the problem of " who is God? and who is the creator?" can be resolved in the world of Christianity. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Edu3Again: 4:15am On Jun 24, 2018 |
THE GOD IN THE BIBLE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ONE IN ISLAM SOME DIFFERENCES ******************************************** MUSLIMS ARE NOT PROMISED HEAVEN EVEN MOHAMMED HAS NO PROMISE OF HEAVEN Sura 46:9 "I am not something original among the messengers, NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS). I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner." CHRISTIAN ARE PROMISED HEAVEN John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. ********************************************** IN ISLAM THE BLIND, DEAF & DUMB ARE HATED SURA 8:22 Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, SURA 2:17-18 Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind. THE CHRISTIAN GOD HEALS THE BLIND, DEAF & DUMB Matthew 15: 29] And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there. 30] And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and HE HEALED THEM *********************************************** THE ISLAM COMMANDS TO BEAT YOUR WIFE Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch AND BEAT HER WITH IT, Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to ....... BEAT THEM; THE CHRISTIAN GOD COMMANDS TO LOVE YOUR WIFE Ephesians 5:25 (KJV) Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Colossians 3:19 Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES, and BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM. ********************************************* What miracle has mohammed performed? Prophets perform miracles. JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE DEAD John 11 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that HE HAD LAIN IN THE GRAVE FOUR DAYS ALREADY. 43 And when he thus had spoken, HE CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, LAZARUS, COME FORTH. 44 And HE THAT WAS DEAD CAME FORTH, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. 45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. Now share with me why you believe mohammed, which miracle has he done? 3 Likes |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by enilove(m): 7:49am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22: YOUR QUESTIONS ARE WHO IS GOD AND WHO IS A CREATOR ? GOD IS A CREATOR WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH PLUS THE UNIVERSE. Note also that God is a title or a common noun and not a name or proper noun. This means that God has a name which is different from the word "God". Genesis 1:1,26-27 KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Exodus 6:2-3 KJV And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord : [3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Psalm 83:18 KJV That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah , art the most high over all the earth. YOUR 2 QUESTIONS ARE ONE AND THE SAME. Who is a Creator ? God. Who is God ? A Creator. |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 8:10am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22:YES there are children born to so many reputable faithful men of old that God didn't include in HIS sacred secrets and services, so the idea that Ishmael became a beneficiary of God's arrangement simply because he was Abraham's first born is out of it! Because God chooses those that will become part of the arrangement, others can only benefit if they come under that arrangement! Jehovah is the name of the Almighty God (Exodus 6:2.3 Psalm 83:18) Jesus was the first creature directly made by Jehovah and so HE taught Him so many things and made Him a craftsman who participated in creating all other things (Proverbs 8:22-30) That's why Jesus agreed to come and replace Adam to redeem US from our dying condition because out of all the creatures God used Jesus to make man is Jesus' Best choice(Proverbs 8:30,31) God made Jesus God for that purpose until He is able to redeem US back to His father and God just like Moses also served as God for a period (Exodus 7:1 John 1:1,14,18) So after His resurrection,many people(Christians) became born again meaning God is once again having a direct dealing with humans due to the ransom paid by Jesus so He stopped serving as God and returned to heaven to sit at God's right hand side (1Corinthians 15:20-29) Right from the time of Adam and Eve till Noah's time God became irritated due to man's evil deeds that's how Jesus became God and acted until He came down to pay the price for our sins that has made Jehovah to disown US. Whoever ignores what those Born again Christians wrote down will perish that's why every person must be obedient to the Bible. Satan only wanted to complicate issues by creating many false religions claiming Christians. There is just one Christian organization that can explain everything to you plainly to make you understand who is God and who is our creator.Thanks God bless you! |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 9:51am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Please explain to us how the foundational problem of " who is God? and who is the creator" can be resolved USING THE BIBLICAL VERSES I QUOTED IN MY ORIGINAL POST 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by enilove(m): 11:18am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22: You mentioned so many Biblical verses , but I will take the Book of John : John 1:1-3 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. FROM VERSE ONE , we have 2 important personalities which are THE WORD AND GOD. It tells us that the WORD is also God. VERSE TWO also emphasised that the word that the word started with God. VERSE THREE NOW MAKES US TO KNOW THAT THE WORD CREATED ALL THINGS. For us to proceed further , ask a simple question and one or two references, if you like , which you feel contradicts the above . |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 11:39am On Jun 24, 2018 |
John1:1 declare:" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Here we see that THE WORD = GOD In John 1:14, it states "The Word became flesh, and made His dwelling among us." Here we see again that JESUS = THE WORD. Simple logic declares that if A=B and B=C then A=C. Therefore, since JESUS = THE WORD and THE WORD = GOD, then JESUS = GOD Now that we have seen how the book of John established that Jesus is God, let us investigate whether the remaining part of the Bible support this claim 1. Jesus was praying to the Father and he said; And this is eternal life, that they may know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent (John 17:3). If the Father is the "only true God" according to Jesus Christ, then how could Jesus be God ? 2. Similarly in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”. If Jesus is God , then can God have another God? 3. Also Luke 6:12 recorded that Jesus went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself ? 4. Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “My Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is God, why is he having someone greater than him? Can anybody be greater than God? 5. Again in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man who called him good teacher as follows: “why do you call me good? No one is good, but one, that is God”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and submit that all goodness belongs only to God? 6. Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me”. If Jesus is God, why did he clearly distinguish himself from God? 7. Finally in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”. If Jesus is God, why did he confess his ignorance about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to God? Can God be ignorant of anything? PLEASE ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS CITED ABOVE 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by DonKuty419(m): 11:43am On Jun 24, 2018 |
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| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by DonKuty419(m): 11:44am On Jun 24, 2018 |
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| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by enilove(m): 11:52am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22: THE SON OF GOD IS GOD , JUST LIKE A LION WOULD GIVE BIRTH TO A LION AND NOT A GOAT. Did Jesus not create a bird using mud , according to your Quran ? How did he do that and who can give breath to a non living thing and it will bcom a living thing if not God. I asked you before and I am asking you again, HOW MANY PRESIDENT DO WE HAVE ,THAT IS RULING , IN NIGERIA PRESENTLY? |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by CAPSLOCKED: 12:27pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22: AFTER READING ALL YOUR NONSENSE I'M GIVING YOU FULL SUPPORT. LET EVERY OTHER RELIGION CONVERT TO ISLAM BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE TRUE RELIGION. |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 2:07pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Whoever refuses to follow or support God's arrangement is doomed since we're all Adam's offspring and Adam (our biological father) is dead never to live again! Whoever wants to live forever must decide now whether to IDENTIFY the worship that's having God's backing and approval or remain lost and confused in Satan's manipulations! |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 2:43pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22:As i've told you earlier, there is just one SINGLE religion that's practicing Christianity. But Satan has initiated so many counterfeits to complicate issues before someone who is hasty in decision making and who is not mildtempered. Jesus served as God for a period of time but He is not the Almighty God. Another thing that confuses Bible readers is the rendering of the translators who were trying to add meaning to what the inspired writers pened down, for example the word "God" is a title for deities and the inspired writers wrote all the same in the same form,so whether it's Jupiter (of Rome) or Zeus (of Greece) or Jehovah (of Israel) the inspired writers ONLY differentiate by NAMES but the translators in a bid to distinguish between the God of Israel (whom they acknowledged as the only true God) and the Gods of other nations yet not wanting to agree with a personal NAME for the Supreme Being started using capital and small letters to make the difference! Another problem is that these translators were following the tradition of the TRINITY doctrine (which has no place in the Bible) so they find it difficult to perceive that the word "Jesus" WAS God simply means the word IS no more serving in that office! John 1:1 He only serve for period like Moses also served as God at a point in time (Exodus 7:1) Moreover the title God is used for so many deities, it's the names that distinguish between the deities not writing down the title in capital or small letters. For example a doctor is a doctor so you can't distinguish by writing Doctor or DOCTOR or doctor, what calls undue attention is the name of the doctor in question! So whether you refer to Jehovah as god or God or GOD,the only thing that brings fear into the minds of the opposed is the NAME or simply saying the god of Israel! Then you'll see how those who have heard of HIS invincibility will start to shake in great fear. Joshua 2:9,10 Notice how the translators blurred the sense of the readers by replacing Jehovah (God's name) with Lord! Or read Psalms 110:1 and see how they've rendered the inspired writings meaningless. Instead of writing "Jehovah said to my Lord" because they don't want to use God's personal name the translated "The LORD said to my Lord"  |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 2:46pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Where is that portion of the Koran that says no muslim must die without becoming a Christian? Cos on the basis of this a guy gave his life to Christ two weeks ago. And he sure aint playing. In his words 'I was a muslim but as of today I am becoming a Christian, no pastor or believer preached to me but im following the instruction in the Koran which says i must not die without becoming a Christian. If this is true then i wonder why the religion is shadowy of christianity. |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 3:14pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22:If you want anything to be resolved regarding the Bible,then you must welcome those who Jesus sent out to preach and teach people God's word. They're the Jehovah's witnesses in your neighborhood and they're the ONE and ONLY TRUE Christians! Please calmly present your questions to them and listen good not hastily or arrogantly,almost everyone on earth have heard one thing or another about Jesus from those claiming Christians and those claiming Muslims but what He stands for is very important so don't argue based on what people say about Jesus, just concentrate on what the Bible says and try not to get confused because of the mistakes of uninspired translators because Jehovah's witnesses (True Christians) are only looking for people who want to know what Christianity truly means,they're not sent to come and argue with you in your house! God bless you. |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by ZKOSOSO(m): 3:55pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Wish I could get just one reason to embrace Islam. But after my fruitless search in all of Quran and Hadiths I became more convinced that I need to be really really INSANE enough to embrace Islam. Na so I come waka de go with my Jesus Style...!! 1 Like |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Abdulgaffar22: 11:16pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Mr Riofidelio please shed more light on this: Jehovah witnesses believe that God created everything THROUGH Jesus Christ . That God created everything through ( or by )Jesus Christ is no where to be found in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke. It is only found in the books written by Paul and John; Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.( 1st Corinthians 8:6). For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH him and for him ( Colossians 1:16). THROUGH him ALL THINGS WERE MADE ; without him nothing was made that has been made (John 1:3) But is it really true that God created all things through Jesus christ ? Let see what God Almighty say about this matter ; "This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth— Who was with me at that time? (Isaiah 44:24)". As you can see from above, Paul and John proclaimed that God created all things THROUGH Jesus Christ. But God Almighty Himself declare that He created all things ALL ALONE. This is an obvious contradiction. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 3:43am On Jun 25, 2018 |
Abdulgaffar22:Of course Jehovah created all things ALONE! For example a landlord owns a house not because he does the of bricklayers, carpenters, plumbers, aluminum workers, welders etc but he hires them and after the house is complete he will claim he did everything all alone. Note that Jesus was like a hired workman that Jehovah was sending on errands to do everything on Jehovah's behalf and instructions ,so when Jehovah said "let us make man in our own image" HE was actually talking to this first creature! Genesis 1:26 compared to Proverbs 8:22-30 The gospel writers all wrote different points that has benefits but if brought together you'll grasp the whole thing.They were not copying one another,God's Holy Spirit granted each of them the wisdom to pen down what is missing in other person's account.For example it's only John who later included in his account a correction of the misconception going on in the first century, Jesus said something but most Christians got it wrong until about 98 ce after John has written the last Bible book called Revelations that he decided to write his own account of the life and ministry of Jesus. And at the conclusion God's Holy Spirit reminded him so he made it clear that Jesus never said what most of the Christians back then were broadcasting! John 21:21-23 |
| Re: Yes! This Is The Right Time For Millions Of Christians To Embrace Islam by Nobody: 4:07am On Jun 25, 2018 |
So there's no reason to be biased about what the gospel writers pened down back then. They did the work of witnesses to the fact that Jesus was the promised Messiah that Israelites have been expecting for long. Each of them wrote something unique based on what they saw and heard from other witnesses of the events. God is not interested in witnesses all saying exactly the same thing but they should all arrive at the same point, if you're asked to investigate a case and you started questioning different eye witnesses,surely you won't expect all of them to use the same words or see exactly the same thing but as an unbiased investigator you'll discern from their different points and arrive at a reasonable conclusion! The wisdom in the Bible was made like a sacred secret that can't be unraveled by people who have ulterior motives or materialistic goals, you must be selfless and willing to learn what the Bible has to say by digging for it as silver, humbly listening to other honesthearted researchers, thorough meditation and prayer to God before you can understand the Bible. Proverbs 2:1-5 That is why most people who aren't humble are saying contradicting things yet none of them is ready to ask "which one amongst US is correct?" and take note that Jesus commanded His true followers to go and meet people in their homes but none of them can do this because they're not truly interested in Jesus,just like the days of Noah. Of course Noah wasn't the only innocent victim of wickedness back then,but why did most people died in the deluge? They failed to identify God's arrangement for safety and judgement! Simply reasoning together and meditating on what each victim is thinking would have saved them but they ignored Noah and continue with their day to day activities thinking in their hearts that God won't destroy them along with those wicked generation but not ready to inquire about how God will resolve the issue! Matthew 24:37-39 1 Like |
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