rainmaker12:


Oga bye!!! I don't have your time! Make you dey there dey beef people wey no even know say you exist.

Next time don't try to deceive people about blood transfusion. It's a modern medical procedure and God never said anything about it.

FYI nobody has ever lived forever. So your living forever on earth it's only inside your head and your watchtower magazine.

Next time do not make a statement like this:

Save Life"
Anybody that take blood transfusion will live forever? or they will still DIE eventually?



Every human being will die one. Nobody has ever lived forever on earth.
Blood transfusion is a medical procedure that gives a human being a chance at survival. Life on earth matters as it's the real life not the imaginary life in your paradise earth which is fake as it doesn't exist.

*IN WHO'S BLOOD DID ALL ANCIENT SERVANTS OF GOD BELIEVE?
*IS IT POSSIBLE TO GOD'S ANCIENT SERVANTS THAT PEOPLE CAN PRESERVE OR SAVE LIFE THROUGH ANYBODY'S BLOOD?
*SOMEBODY SAID "ONLY JESUS' BLOOD CAN SAVE" IS THAT TRUE?
*WHAT HAPPENS IF I DOUBT THE ASSURANCE OR DISBELIEVE IN JESUS' BLOOD?

TATIME:
*IN WHO'S BLOOD DID ALL ANCIENT SERVANTS OF GOD BELIEVE?
*IS IT POSSIBLE TO GOD'S ANCIENT SERVANTS THAT PEOPLE CAN PRESERVE OR SAVE LIFE THROUGH ANYBODY'S BLOOD?
*SOMEBODY SAID "ONLY JESUS' BLOOD CAN SAVE" IS THAT TRUE?
*WHAT HAPPENS IF I DOUBT THE ASSURANCE OR DISBELIEVE IN JESUS' BLOOD?

If blood transfusion is meant for SAVING life,then there is no need to exercise any unwarranted faith in the blood of Jesus. Afterall the life of any human could be saved through the blood of any other human provided their is compatibility in the blood of the two intelligent creatures!
According to an ancient servant of God called Paul, 'FAITH is the assured expectation of what we're hoping for,the evident demonstration of realities though not seen'. Now If he is correct and those claiming they BELIEVE in Jesus are expected to exercise faith in the power of his blood,then there is no sense in putting faith in the blood that people can't SEE, EXPERIMENT or SAMPLE when there are billions of blood samples that is readily available for screening in various laboratories across the globe to preserve them alife!
This would have been a debate between believers [Christians] and none believers [atheists, muslims, buddists and so on]. All these other groups are supposed to be regarded as nonbelievers since their confidence is not in the BLOOD of Jesus. But surprisingly it's just one single organization[JWs] that's keeping the faith in ONLY the blood of Jesus for salvation! All other so called belivers are also opting for any kind of BLOOD so far such is PROBABLY going to save them from dying.
Hmmm Satan is truly a genius in deception!

Maximus69:
If blood transfusion is meant for SAVING life,then there is no need to exercise any unwarranted faith in the blood of Jesus. Afterall the life of any human could be saved through the blood of any other human provided their is compatibility in the blood of the two intelligent creatures!
According to an ancient servant of God called Paul, 'FAITH is the assured expectation of what we're hoping for,the evident demonstration of realities though not seen'. Now If he is correct and those claiming they BELIEVE in Jesus are expected to exercise faith in the power of his blood,then there is no sense in putting faith in the blood that people can't SEE, EXPERIMENT or SAMPLE when there are billions of blood samples that is readily available for screening in various laboratories across the globe to preserve them alife!
This would have been a debate between believers [Christians] and none believers [atheists, muslims, buddists and so on]. All these other groups are supposed to be regarded as nonbelievers since their confidence is not in the BLOOD of Jesus. But surprisingly it's just one single organization[JWs] that's keeping the faith in ONLY the blood of Jesus for salvation! All other so called belivers are also opting for any kind of BLOOD so far such is PROBABLY going to save them from dying.
Hmmm Satan is truly a genius in deception!

I learnt so many things from JWs,but i must admit that this enlightenment came from your post Maximus!
So i owe you a lot on this one my brother, God bless you!

TATIME:
I learnt so many things from JWs,but i must admit that this enlightenment came from your post Maximus!
So i owe you a lot on this one my brother, God bless you!

Hmmm No Tatime! You and your folks are my teachers Sir. I've always admired your power of reasoning during comments and responses to different posts. I remembered you saying anyone can be better than you if such a person humbles himself to learn! Now i know what you meant back then.
Though i'm still learning but at least for now i can explain so many things that i've learnt from the Bible without any feeling of intimidation before the so called religious title chiefs!
Yes Tatime! Jesus' word is becoming real to me. 'you will know the truth and the truth will set [your mind] free!' from all the common religious beliefs and traditions of men!
Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you!

TATIME:
*IN WHO'S BLOOD DID ALL ANCIENT SERVANTS OF GOD BELIEVE?
*IS IT POSSIBLE TO GOD'S ANCIENT SERVANTS THAT PEOPLE CAN PRESERVE OR SAVE LIFE THROUGH ANYBODY'S BLOOD?
*SOMEBODY SAID "ONLY JESUS' BLOOD CAN SAVE" IS THAT TRUE?
*WHAT HAPPENS IF I DOUBT THE ASSURANCE OR DISBELIEVE IN JESUS' BLOOD?

Bible didn't mention blood transfusion. Blood transfusion is a medical procedure whether you like it or not. It gives you a chance at survival.
Receiving blood transfusion doesn't mean you doubt the assurance or disbelieve in Jesus blood.

If you are so sure of this your deceitful explanation you for give Bible verse. You believe in mere speculation/assumptions. No proof or biblical verse to back up your claim. Shame on your religion and it's illiterate leaders.

Bible never mentioned the 20th century medical procedure called blood transfusion. You want to lie to us abi? We read our bibles o and we don't wait for some illiterates to interpret it for us.

Hairyrapunzel:


Bible didn't mention blood transfusion. Blood transfusion is a medical procedure whether you like it or not. It gives you a chance at survival.
Receiving blood transfusion doesn't mean you doubt the assurance or disbelieve in Jesus blood.

If you are so sure of this your deceitful explanation you for give Bible verse. You believe in mere speculation/assumptions. No proof or biblical verse to back up your claim. Shame on your religion and it's illiterate leaders.

Bible never mentioned the 20th century medical procedure called blood transfusion. You want to lie to us abi? We read our bibles o and we don't wait for some illiterates to interpret it for us.

I only asked four questions and what is expected of any commentator is response to address those questions. Jesus' followers only believe in the blood of Jesus for salvation and they clearly admonished one another to ABSTAIN from BLOOD. Act 15:28,29
So if modern day technology has now discovered that under certain conditions, the blood of any other person could also preserve the life of a Christian temporarily. Surely some Christians will agree and some will disagree,and whatever any group leaders conclude upon is what they'll tell their followers.
Jehovah's Witnesses are just being loyal to their own teachers that's all,they're not forcing you to accept or reject blood transfusion, neither can you also force them to accept or reject it.
So just as Maximus always responds to you,i'll also say PEACE! Mr Hairyrapunzel, may you have peace!

TATIME:

I only asked four questions and what is expected of any commentator is response to address those questions. Jesus' followers only believe in the blood of Jesus for salvation and they clearly admonished one another to ABSTAIN from BLOOD. Act 15:28,29
So if modern day technology has now discovered that under certain conditions, the blood of any other person could also preserve the life of a Christian temporarily. Surely some Christians will agree and some will disagree,and whatever any group leaders conclude upon is what they'll tell their followers.
Jehovah's Witnesses are just being loyal to their own teachers that's all,they're not forcing you to accept or reject blood transfusion, neither can you also force them to accept or reject it.
So just as Maximus always responds to you,i'll also say PEACE! Mr Hairyrapunzel, may you have peace!

You asked 4 questions yet you can't use Bible to give answer to those questions as it relates to blood transfusion a 20th century medical procedure.
Lol. Assumer/speculator

Hairyrapunzel:


You asked 4 questions yet you can't use Bible to give answer to those questions as it relates to blood transfusion a 20th century medical procedure.
Lol. Assumer/speculator

I think those questions aren't meant to be answered by the same person asking, or why asking in the first instance?
Any intelligent individual that's unbiased should know that these are thought provoking questions that is good as food for thoughts.
This is why i always appease you since you often respond with aggression towards everything that comes from a supposed JW. Imagine hm saying 'JWs aren't forcing you to accept or reject blood transfusion,neither can you force your opinion on them'
Sir that's the truth,everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion!

Maximus69:
I think those questions aren't meant to be answered by the same person asking, or why asking in the first instance?
Any intelligent individual that's unbiased should know that these are thought provoking questions that is good as food for thoughts.
This is why i always appease you since you often respond with aggression towards everything that comes from a supposed JW. Imagine hm saying 'JWs aren't forcing you to accept or reject blood transfusion,neither can you force your opinion on them'
Sir that's the truth,everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion!

When asking people questions have answers to those questions. Be asking question on Jesus Christ blood saving life so as to discredit blood transfusion is cunning and deceptive. Deal with it.


Blood transfusion is a physical 20th century medical procedure that increases chances of survival and used in treatment in life on earth.

Jesus Christ blood isn't a medical procedure. You don't even see it according to the Bible it leads to everlasting life. Aka spiritual thing


No be every body be mugu. You want to assume/speculate.

Your leaders told you blood transfusion is bad yet they accept blood components from blood donated by worldly, evil, unrighteous people. Your jehovah ought to be ashamed of itself or rather your leaders ought to be ashamed of themselves cause they formulate rubbish.

Maximus69:
I think those questions aren't meant to be answered by the same person asking, or why asking in the first instance?
Any intelligent individual that's unbiased should know that these are thought provoking questions that is good as food for thoughts.
This is why i always appease you since you often respond with aggression towards everything that comes from a supposed JW. Imagine hm saying 'JWs aren't forcing you to accept or reject blood transfusion,neither can you force your opinion on them'
Sir that's the truth,everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion!

I am an intelligent person that's why I can spot the difference between a physical 20th century medical procedure and the writings in a holy book which is not physical.

I ain't a dunce like you.

Hairyrapunzel:


I am an intelligent person that's why I can spot the difference between a physical 20th century medical procedure and the writings in a holy book which is not physical.

I ain't a dunce like you.

Double responses towards just one single post? Please calm your mind Sir,because your burning fury can't do NOTHING
So PEACE! Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have Peace!

Maximus69:
Double responses towards just one single post? Please calm your mind Sir,because your burning fury can't do NOTHING
So PEACE! Mr Hairyrapunzel,may you have Peace!

E don dey pain you say I get sense pass you abi? Lol. No be every body una fit deceive. Kpele and don't cry too much

Hairyrapunzel:


E don dey pain you say I get sense pass you abi? Lol. No be every body una fit deceive. Kpele and don't cry too much

Yes it's like he is shedding tears due to your comments that's hitting his body like koboko!
So you should be happy now that a JW is crying because you're able to prove their organization can't deceive everybody!
Everyone can notice that Mr Maximus is pained to his marrow hence he is begging,pleading and saying "PEACE, may you have Peace" Surely he don cry tire!
Abeg laugh am wellawella!

Good afternoon Seun,

Sorry i don't know how to reach you privately, Please I have been trying to log into my account but all to no avail. Even =
after changing my password i still get a wrong Username/Password message.

I will be most grateful if this can be resolved.

The username is rossyc

Thank you.

this is religion

Seun:
Dear Jehovah's Witnesses,

When I heard that Serena Williams almost died during the birth of her child, I couldn’t understand why a strong and rich lady like her in a first world country would face such difficulties. When I learned that she is a Jehovah's Witness I immediately understood what the problem was.

Please help me to understand why blood transfusions are so bad. What makes you think that God is against life-saving blood transfusions? Why would God give doctors the wisdom to perform life-saving blood transfusions and then forbid his followers from accepting them?

Please don’t just copy and paste content from apologetics websites. Use your own words and reasons to explain what you personally believe.

See also:

1. If the JWGB changed their stance on blood transfusion and a child close to you needed one, what would you do?

2. Jesus declared all foods to be clean, according to the gospels. This would include blood.

Check out this decision of the court on blood transfusions in Jehovah witnesses' minors. In ESABUNOR & ANOR. vs. FAWEYA & ORS.(2019)LPELR-46961(SC)
FACTS OF THE CASE
The 2nd appellant is the mother of the 1st appellant. She gave birth to him on April 19, 1997 at the Chevron Clinic, Lekki Peninsula in Lagos. Within a month of his birth (i.e. on 11 May, 1997) he fell gravely ill. His mother, the 2nd appellant, took him back to the Chevron Clinic on 11 May, 1997 for urgent treatment. It was the 1st respondent who treated the 1st appellant. He found that the 1st appellant urgently needed blood transfusion.
The 2nd respondent and her husband made it abundantly clear to the 1st respondent that on no account should their child (the 1st appellant) be given blood transfusion. Their reason being that there were several hazards that follows blood transfusion such as contracting Aids, Hepatitis etc and that as members of the Jehovah witness sect, blood transfusion was forbidden by their Religion. Dr Tunde Faweya (the 1st respondent) remained unyielding.
The next day, the learned counsel for the Commissioner of Police, Lagos State moved an Originating Motion Exparte before the 5th respondent.
The motion was brought under Section 27 (1) and (30) of the Children and Young Person’s Law Cap 25 of Lagos State. The relief sought was: “that the medical authorities of the Clinic of Chevron Nigeria Limited Lekki Peninsula Lagos be allowed and are hereby permitted to do all and anything necessary for the protection of the life and health of the child TEGA ESABUNOR and for such further order or orders as the Court may deem fit to make in the circumstances.”
After hearing counsel, the Chief Magistrate granted the application under its inherent jurisdiction. On receipt of the Order of the Chief Magistrate, the 1st respondent administered blood transfusion on the 1st appellant on the same day. (i.e. May 12, 1997).
The 1st appellant got well and was discharged. His mother took him home. On May 15, 1997 the 2nd appellant filed an application on notice wherein she sought for the setting aside of the order made on 12 May, 1997. The application was unsuccessful. It was dismissed on May 21, 1997.
The appellants’ were dissatisfied with the proceedings before the Chief Magistrate, so they approached the High Court for an order of Certiorari and damages of N10 million. In a considered ruling delivered on May 28, 2001 the learned trial Judge refused their prayers and claims.
The appellants’ were not satisfied with the ruling of the High Court. They filed an appeal. The Court of Appeal, Lagos Division, heard it and the decision of the High Court was affirmed. Further dissatisfied, the Appellants appealed to the Supreme Court.
ISSUE:
(4) Whether the Court of Appeal was correct in holding that the 2nd Appellants’ refusal to give consent to blood transfusion amounted to an attempt to commit a crime or to allow the 1st Appellant to die.
RESOLUTION OF ISSUE NUMBER 4/PRINCIPLE:
Resolving issue 4, the Supreme Court stated that an adult who is conscious and in full control of his mental capacity, and of sound mind has the right to either accept or refuse blood (medical treatment). The hospital has no choice but to respect their patient's wishes.
When it involves a child, the Supreme Court stated that different considerations apply and this is so because a child is incapable of making decisions for himself and the law is duty bound to protect such a person from abuse of his rights as he may grow up and disregard those religious beliefs. It makes no difference if the decision to deny him blood transfusion is made by his parents. See M.D.P.D.T. v.Okonkwo (2001) 7NWLR (Pt.711) P.206.
The Supreme Court held that when a competent parent or one in loco parentis refuses blood transfusion or medical treatment for her child on religious grounds, the Court should step in, consider the baby’s welfare, i.e. saving the life and the best interest of the child, before a decision is taken. These considerations outweigh religious beliefs of the Jehovah Witness Sect. The decision should be to allow the administration of blood transfusion especially in life threatening situations.

Seun:


Well said! Still waiting for the Jehovah's Witnesses to show up.

Lol, many have shown up but put disclaimers in their posts

The verse mentioned 'abstaining from things being strangled'which literally means not having anything to do with things that are not properly slaughtered. Properly slaughtering an animal according to the bible is 'burying the blood of whatever animal it is youre trying to eat after slaughtering' you'll never see a JW killing an animal and just letting the blood flow in the streets or pouring its blood down the sink. They kury the blood of the anumalebeeing slaughtered before eating the animal.

alBHAGDADI:



Acts 15:20

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and
from blood.

Jehovah's witnesses are refusing blood transfusion simply because of the verses above. It's funny because the verse doesn't say anything about blood transfusion, it just says abstain from blood.

If JW say we should abstain from blood transfusion because of the verse, then how come they don't also say people should not even touch blood of animals they slaughter?

Milnes:
The verse mentioned 'abstaining from things being strangled'which literally means not having anything to do with things that are not properly slaughtered. Properly slaughtering an animal according to the bible is 'burying the blood of whatever animal it is youre trying to eat after slaughtering' you'll never see a JW killing an animal and just letting the blood flow in the streets or pouring its blood down the sink. They kury the blood of the anumalebeeing slaughtered before eating the animal.

Since jw eat animals they should also eat human beings too. At least since acts did not differentiate the blood they should start eating humans. In fact since jw love burying blood. I think worldly people should start burying their blood too instead of donating it for jw to get components/fractions.

Your jehovah aka governing body aka leaders said donating blood and receiving blood from human being is bad but receiving components/fractions of blood gotten from worldly blood donors and also receiving polyheme from cow blood are good.

I don't know if it's your jehovah or your leaders that are lying.
Well I believe since bible did not state all these let's just say your leaders have been lying to you guys.

fratermathy:


1. The emboldened first point above is the reason why many argue that Jehovah Witness operates like a cult where freewill does not exist. Regardless of overarching rules, members should be ultimately free to do what they want and even though the church may frown at what members choose to do, it has no right to make every member shun those who break its laws for their own wellbeing. At worst, it can bar members from membership in the church but it should end there. They shouldn't dictate how other members relate with barred members who break their rules. Christianity in general is regarded by many as the most liberal religion whose doctrines are open to positive interpretation as long as certain constants are in place. Jehovah Witness doesn't follow the liberality of Christianity and I am forced to opine that it should be classified as a religion of its own or at the very least, a sect (not a denomination).

2. Ditto.

3. Many countries, including Japan, China, Canada, USA, etc, have empowered medical personnel to override certain patient's wishes in cases of emergency. This discretion accorded to medics is mainly applicable in situations involving juveniles, teenagers, etc, and in instances where a spouse connives with the doctor/nurse to override the patient's wish. In extreme cases, doctors can get a court order overriding a patient's choice in the matter. Unfortunately, Nigeria doesn't have such policies and if, as a doctor, you force transfusion on a patient, you may be sued for it. The best we can do for Jehovah Witness members in this instance is to advocate for laws that can empower medical personnel, spouses, guardians, etc, to override the patient's wish in cases of medical emergencies where the patient has a clear chance of survival.

The Cult calls itself a religion or simply refers to itself as "The Truth".

Haha!
The only problem is that this "Truth" is continuously flip-flopping.

Today, it is the "Truth". Tomorrow, it is "Old Truth" and next tomorrow, it becomes "Current Progressive New light truth".

alBHAGDADI:


What JW are indirectly telling us is that if they were the good Samaritan that met that injured man in the parable told by Jesus, they won't help him because it will mean they will have to touch his blood while carrying him.

Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Most of your posts are usually so deep in the Bible. You have got a good knowledge of it.

You a Theologian?

Hairyrapunzel:

Not Eating pork is not the same thing as refusing blood transfusion.
The Jews were also told not to eat blood but they don't reject blood transfusion. Life preservation comes first amongst the Jews. Refusing pork has never killed anyone while refusing blood transfusion has killed a lot of people even more than Jim Jones people's temple mass murder.

Haha!

They refuse blood transfusion but eat Pork and Fats which is not Kosher in the Old Testament.

Hairyrapunzel:


Blood is sacred to your God. Whether animal or human. Yet life of animal and humans are not sacred to your jehovah. Very funny. Your jehovah is very very funny. He can allow humans take the lives of animals for food while he also prefers humans taking their own lives because of blood transfusion ban since 1945 by watchtower organization.
He has made a symbol more important than what it represents.
Your jehovah no dey joke with blood of animal or humans yet he loves playing kalo kalo with human and animal life. Very interesting.





At least you have come here to open up to us that your religion has been assuming since 1945.




You guys love using this rubbish analogy.
Let's analyse.
Your physician will not allow you to use nicotine because it's of no health importance neither is it feasible putting nicotine in needle. Nicotine doesn't save life. On the other hand blood transfusion can be prescribed by physicians. It saves live its a medical procedure. Doctors don't joke with blood transfusion because it's real.

SO TEY YOUR LEADERS USE UNREAL SITUATIONS TO TRY TO JUSTIFY WHY REAL SITUATIONS ARE BAD. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF PROPAGANDA AND IT'S DECEITFUL.

JUST KNOW THAT NO PHYSICIAN WILL PRESCRIBE NICOTINE TO TREAT ANY AILMENT WHEREAS BLOOD TRANSFUSION IS CALLED A MEDICAL PROCEDURE.



Why then do we have to commit suicide obeying your leaders when Jesus has already paid the ransom sacrifice for man's salvation. If Jesus has done the work why do you feel you have to kill yourself or children because you are obeying jehovah?




Did Jesus give you internet to browse nairaland and jw.org?



But Jesus didn't say humans should refuse blood transfusion. Nathan knorr made the law in 1945 for his followers.



Jehovah or Jesus didn't ban blood transfusion after all in the Bible. Nathan knorr banned it in watchtower magazines in 1945.


Jesus didn't make any law on blood transfusion ban. Nathan knorr made the law in watchtower magazines in 1945. You are obeying Nathan knorr the illiterate.



Jesus or jehovah never banned blood transfusion so it's your man made non biblical law. You decided to obey your leaders law since 1945 because he made it compulsory.



At least we are not Jesus Christ. You said Jesus paid the ransom sacrifice for man yet you want to pay your own ransom for yourself. Jesus didn't refuse blood transfusion. Stop imagining what's not in the Bible and making it your law.



At least God didn't say we should abstain from the medical procedure called blood transfusion. It's Nathan knorr that made the law in 1945.


Since jehovah is the only source of life and has the right to determine how man should treat blood, why would an illiterate ban the medical procedure blood transfusion amongst his followers in 1945. It's obvious jehovah didn't decide on that a man called Nathan knorr did.


It's a kind of medical procedure. Whether it's holy grail or not isn't your concern



You want to lie about a situation to paint a bad picture of the procedure abi? Normal watchtower way. Always saying bad things about blood transfusion. It's not new.
Let me give you a shocker. I have transfused over 200 children and no one died. They are all doing fine till today.



Last last blood transfusion ban isn't in the Bible after all. You can take components of blood from blood donated by worldly people whereas you say blood transfusion is bad. Soon your gb will allow whole blood since they have allowed all the fractions. Lol

Solid points you put out here.

This would mean that Jehovah Witnesses who did blood transfusion say in 1943 and 1944 ALLL wasted their time and won't be "resurrected"...

The 8-member false&non-discreet slave needs to be tried at ICC for the crimes against humanity that they have committed.

Humchi:



jw and islam.

These two groups can twist any bible verse to suit their claims even where it is clearly conveying a different meaning.

You no lie.

Seun:

I see what you did there. You used the facts that Serena shared about her case to lend credibility to your claim that her complications had nothing to do with transfusions. Random fact, baseless claim, random fact, baseless claim, rinse and repeat. It almost worked on me too. The fact is that you can't conclude that Serena Williams never needed a blood transfusion just because her publicists didn't explicitly say so. As an outspoken Jehovah's Witness, Serena Williams would never share any details of her story that would make the her beloved religion look bad.


You can't conclude that she didn't need a blood transfusion just because her publicists didn't explicitly say she did. She had multiple surgeries, each of which may have caused her to lose a lot of blood. And if she refused blood, this would have made things much more difficult for her. Also, as you mentioned, she was on blood thinners which means she probably lost a lot of blood when, as you said, her wound broke down.


It's difficult to believe that you're not a Jehovah's Witness claiming not to be a Jehovah's Witness in order to make us feel that you're unbiased.

Their religion also indirectly forbids them from the type of Sport, fame and wealth that Serena has. Blood Transfusion is not the only problem here.

achorladey:


The latest ruling on blood fractions is that made in the Watchtower, June 15, 2000, pp. 29-31 and June 15, 2004, pp. 14-23, 29-31. This ruling deals with a new definition of what can be allowed as far as blood components are concerned. It is now claimed that four “primary components”—red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma - are forbidden but that “fractions” derived from all four “primary components” are tolerated.

I seek your indulgence on how does the above promote the keyword in your post........THE WORD ABSTINENCE IS ABSOLUTE. Before every other person can proceed to the website provided for more info.

You have to understand that they are masters of flip-flopping. It's always some "New Light"