Ubenedictus:
Hope you didnt miss the amount of sexual deviants in the general population? there are bad people everywhere that doesnt invalidate religion or anything for that matter.

my question still remains, do u believe in God? do u believe he is knowable?

I was hoping to ask him these questions when he replies my mention. I will just stay back and watch.

I really want to know if the God he believes in is knowable.

frosbel2:


The Spirit of God is with ALL those who are for righteousness and has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

God is not a Christian, you cannot pigeon hole him according to your man made religions.

Get out of your delusion.

Really? How do one attain this righteousness, if not through Christ? Have you not had that your righteousness is like a menstrual pad before God?

Maybe is you who need to awake from self deception.

Ubenedictus:
Hope you didnt miss the amount of sexual deviants in the general population? there are bad people everywhere that doesnt invalidate religion or anything for that matter.

my question still remains, do u believe in God? do u believe he is knowable?

But according to your fairytale book know the truth and it will make you free so how is it that those teaching the supposed truth have a significant population of deviants.

frank317:


OMG!!!! Wtf is this?

What has homosexuality got to do with the discussion at hand. Guy u are sick and u need help

Do you want to see someone sick and in need of help? Then, stand before the mirror.

Keep deluding yourself.

LordReed:


But according to your fairytale book know the truth and it will make you free so how is it that those teaching the supposed truth have a significant population of deviants.

Seem you didnt finish the tales, it also has parables like wheat and tares, a sower with different soil etc.

the truth can set you free or make you culpable...it all depends on how it is received.
even within the church my tale book says there will be many who fall short in serious way as well as many whose lives have been transformed by d truth.

Akin1212:


I was hoping to ask him these questions when he replies my mention. I will just stay back and watch.

I really want to know if the God he believes in is knowable.

I am waiting to see his response too.

Ubenedictus:
Seem you didnt finish the tales, it also has parables like wheat and tares, a sower with different soil etc.

the truth can set you free or make you culpable...it all depends on how it is received.
even within the church my tale book says there will be many who fall short in serious way as well as many whose lives have been transformed by d truth.

So what's difference? There those who dont believe in god live enviable lives moral wise, what benefit does your fairytale confer if I can be good without it. In fact I am much better off without it.

Akin1212,

You haven't used you logic to explain this:


A man wakes up in the morning, looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

elated177:
Akin1212,

You haven't used you logic to explain this:


A man wakes up in the morning, looks at a tree about 100ft away and says in his heart he wants the branches of the tree to move. He raises his hand, sways to left and the branches of the tree sway to the left. He sways to the right and the branches do the same. He stops and brings down his hand and the tree branches stop swaying.

Dude, you are really funny.

You want me to use logic to describe something that didn't happen?

Is that how you think logic works?

963AvatarSpirit:


frobel2,

Sorry to bother you dude. Do people actually go through those stanzas in Life, I have not been religious for decades, so it seems I am at a disconnect with your thought spectrum.

Why would anyone believe in Hell or Monotheism, it is so silly to even think there is a guy in the sky capable of watching all CCTV cameras from all alternate dimensions specific to each node of the construct. Entity can either be all and see all and experience as a Conscious Solid State Entity larger than planets or Galaxies, but even then, to experience all and remain a fractal of a unit within a system such as this universe then there should be multitudes of unsupervised nodes, the fractals one has to become at and on any local dimension entity to supervise all the impossible Illusion of the spectrum. And this analogy is not on course with any religions, but that is not to say that religions are bad. Bad people are in religions almost always, but it helps all maintain the desired control, so we all can sleep peacefully at night.

If you take away the veil of ignorance, the game will be over. Entropy will be escalated. So, I support the notion that Ignorance of them, is a bliss to me.

The more people are in religions, the better for me. The religious are totally in a reality prison and it is perfectly okay to be ignorant, it is the reason I love them with a passion. Religious controls make minds control the ultimate tool to maintain world peace.

Please stop waking people up.

It could know all by telekinetic sensitivity aka Telekinetic Godhood.

Akin1212:


Dude, you are really funny.

You want me to use logic to describe something that didn't happen?

Is that how you think logic works?

Just say that your logic has failed in that regard. Nothing in your atheist dictionary prepared you for such. No one will oblige you with the idea of proof you chase.

Mtcheww...the path in which you are and the one that I am traversing are like two parallel lines that will never meet. Enjoy your journey... arrivederci.

By the way: the Creator whom I worship is YaHVeH and his Son's name is Yahushua the Messiah. He exists because he exists and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it.

I don't fight for him; he fights for me. I stand my ground, always, to defend me believe and faith in him, with his Scriptures in me and his sword of judgment by my side. Don't misconstrue that as me fighting for him.

Turn away from this path of atheistism, turn to YaHVeH, accept his plan of salvation and be saved. You still have time. The path on which you are now can only lead to pain and regret at the end of the age.

Each of us must stand before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where everyone will give account of what they did while in this body.

No single individual is free from the influence of one spirit or the other ...good spirit bad spirit. By their fruits you will recognise them.

Again, turn away from this wrong path. Turn to the Author of life. Study the Scriptures for yourself. You will find the answers you seek.

I have done my part.

I dust my feet.

elated177:


Just say that your logic has failed in that regard. Nothing in your atheist dictionary prepared you for such. No one will oblige you with the idea of proof you chase.

Mtcheww...the path in which you are and the one that I am traversing are like two parallel lines that will never meet. Enjoy your journey... arrivederci.

By the way: the Creator whom I worship is YaHVeH and his Son's name is Yahushua the Messiah. He exists because he exists and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it.

I don't fight for him; he fights for me. I stand my ground, always, to defend me believe and faith in him, with his Scriptures in me and his sword of judgment by my side. Don't misconstrue that as me fighting for him.

Turn away from this path of atheistism, turn to YaHVeH, accept his plan of salvation and be saved. You still have time. The path on which you are now can only lead to pain and regret at the end of the age.

Each of us must stand before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where everyone will give account of what they did while in this body.

No single individual is free from the influence of one spirit or the other ...good spirit bad spirit. By their fruits you will recognise them.

Again, turn away from this wrong path. Turn to the Author of life. Study the Scriptures for yourself. You will find the answers you seek.

I have done my part.

I dust my feet.

You are not intelligent at all.

You just made a claim that someone was controlling the movement of branches with his hands and you want ME to explain it. Was I there? How do I know you didn't just imagine it? Can you post a video evidence of your claim? Can you come and practise it in my presence?

How do you exactly want me to explain a claim that never happened ? I expected more from you. This is very disappointing. And all you have to say is that logic has failed in that regards. Lol

You have an erroneous understanding of what logic is and how it works. To apply logic, there must be observation. Have I observed what you claimed happened? NO.
How can my logic now fail in that regards?

Please, I don't have time to waste on less intelligent folks like you. Go and increase your IQ, then we will have an intelligent discussion.

You're the same person who thought homosexuality has everything to do with atheism. I am so done with discussing with you. You have proven to have a very low IQ.

You can continue worshipping whosoever father you want and his son, it's not my business. You worship them doesn't bring them to existence. You're the one deceiving yourself.

It's a good thing that you dusted your feet, please don't bring those feet here again.

How many minutes does it take you to think deeply? You're not thinking sir.

luvmijeje:
As I said it's alright not to believe in God
It doesn't make you an evil nor a bad person neither does it make you a fool.
During our last argument, I saw you agreeing with me on somethings and I'm like finally, Frank is not sticking to his ground.

Being on the opposite doesn't mean we shouldn't agree on something.
Now, if you keep up on not arguing blindly, I may consider you.

Abeg, leave me o jare.

1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?

Although you didn't ask me, but you didnt need to ask me before I could answer.

1. Because up till date no single evidence has been provided for the existence of this God. All we have are just claims. Claims asking us to believe and have faith. If there's evidence, there's no need for faith or belief.

2. A fool is not someone who is curious, critical and ask questions. A fool is someone who just accepts whatever he is told without investigation. The simplest definition from the Encarta dictionary is - an unintelligent person.

3. Those verses are not accurate references to go to for the definition of a fool.

Thanks, I just had the urge to answer these questions. Pardon my interference.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?

MuttleyLaff, life is a journey. There are times to crawl. There are times to walk and there are times to fly. I've had many moment that I've doubted the existence of God.

David who wrote the Book of Psalm also had a moment of doubt. What do I mean?

Psalm 18:9

He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.

In other version of the Bible, it was written God teared heavens also. But in Psalm 8:3

When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,

When you read Psalm 8 and Psalm 18, you will see a writer who's going through different phases of his life. In Psalm 8, there was no opposition so his praises to God was sweet. But in Psalm 18 when he saw opposition, his praises suddenly grew a kwashiokor legs.

Do you know Christ also doubted God in the midst of opposition. Matthew 26 :46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Do you also know that Abraham doubted God in the midst of opposition in Genesis 17:17

17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

If these 3 men could doubt God in their moment of weakness, won't I be an hypocrite like you to call them names for not believing in God.

Akin1212:


You are not intelligent at all.

You just made a claim that someone was controlling the movement of branches with his hands and you want ME to explain it. Was I there? How do I know you didn't just imagine it? Can you post a video evidence of your claim? Can you come and practise it in my presence?

How do you exactly want me to explain a claim that never happened ? I expected more from you. This is very disappointing. And all you have to say is that logic has failed in that regards. Lol

You have an erroneous understanding of what logic is and how it works. To apply logic, there must be observation. Have I observed what you claimed happened? NO.
How can my logic now fail in that regards?

Please, I don't have time to waste on less intelligent folks like you. Go and increase your IQ, then we will have an intelligent discussion.

You're the same person who thought homosexuality has everything to do with atheism. I am so done with discussing with you. You have proven to have a very low IQ.

You can continue worshipping whosoever father you want and his son, it's not my business. You worship them doesn't bring them to existence. You're the one deceiving yourself.

It's a good thing that you dusted your feet, please don't bring those feet here again.

How many minutes does it take you to think deeply? You're not thinking sir.

Isaiah 5:20-21 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

You are gravely mistaken if you, for a microsecond, think that hammering on intelligence will ever have any bearing on the intelligence of this servant of the Most High, YaHVeH Elohim Almighty.

Job 28:28 And he said to the human race, 'The fear of YHVH - that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.'

Psalm 111:10 The fear of YHVH is wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.

Jeremiah 9:23-24 This is what YHVH declares: let not the wise boast of their wisdom or the strong boast of their strength or the rich boast of their riches, but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am YHVH, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in this I delight,' declares YHVH.

You see, my Father in heaven, YaHVeH Almighty, has made me, elated 177, a billion times more intelligent than you and anyone in your lineage. In fact, in the next 500 years, your entire lineage will never have anyone with half the intelligence YaHVeH Almighty has bestowed on me, elated177.

Like I said earlier, you don't have much to stand on, the reason you resort to insult.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, 'There is no Elohim.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Romans 3:13-18 Their throats are open graves; their tongues practise deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.

Romans 1:19-23 since WHAT may be KNOWN about YHVH is PLAIN to them, because YHVH MADE it plain to them. For since the CREATION of the world, YHVH's invisible qualities - HIS ETERNAL POWER and DIVINE NATURE - have been clearly SEEN, being UNDERSTOOD from WHAT HAS BEEN MADE, so that people are without EXCUSE. For although they knew YHVH, they neither glorified him as Elohim nor gave thanks to him, but their THINKING became FUTILE and their FOOLISH HEARTS were DARKENED. Although they CLAIMED to be WISE, they became FOOLS and exchanged the glory of the immortal Elohim for images made to look like mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Let me reiterate; homosexual agenda is at the root of atheism. Atheism is just one of the forms of satanism. Atheism is just one of the illusions/delusions Satan sells to those who believe they are too exposed, too educated, too enlightened and too learned to worship him directly and consciously...satanism. So, atheism is just one of the numerous ways Satan draws people away from the Truth.


Dude, only YHVH can take away the pain and bitterness in your heart. It is only in him you can find fulfilment. As far you are concerned, this path you are traversing now is only a dead-end. It does not lead to anywhere meaningful for you. There is still time. Turn back, turn to Yahushua the Messiah, obey him, study the Scriptures for yourself and you will be free.

Praise YaHVeH Elohim Almighty.

elated177:


Isaiah 5:20-21 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

You are gravely mistaken if you, for a microsecond, think that hammering on intelligence will ever have any bearing on the intelligence of this servant of the Most High, YaHVeH Elohim Almighty.

Job 28:28 And he said to the human race, 'The fear of YHVH - that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.'

Psalm 111:10 The fear of YHVH is wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise.

Jeremiah 9:23-24 This is what YHVH declares: let not the wise boast of their wisdom or the strong boast of their strength or the rich boast of their riches, but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am YHVH, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in this I delight,' declares YHVH.

You see, my Father in heaven, YaHVeH Almighty, has made me, elated 177, a billion times more intelligent than you and anyone in your lineage. In fact, in the next 500 years, your entire lineage will never have anyone with half the intelligence YaHVeH Almighty has bestowed on me, elated177.

Like I said earlier, you don't have much to stand on, the reason you resort to insult.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, 'There is no Elohim.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Romans 3:13-18 Their throats are open graves; their tongues practise deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.

Romans 1:19-23 since WHAT may be KNOWN about YHVH is PLAIN to them, because YHVH MADE it plain to them. For since the CREATION of the world, YHVH's invisible qualities - HIS ETERNAL POWER and DIVINE NATURE - have been clearly SEEN, being UNDERSTOOD from WHAT HAS BEEN MADE, so that people are without EXCUSE. For although they knew YHVH, they neither glorified him as Elohim nor gave thanks to him, but their THINKING became FUTILE and their FOOLISH HEARTS were DARKENED. Although they CLAIMED to be WISE, they became FOOLS and exchanged the glory of the immortal Elohim for images made to look like mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Let me reiterate; homosexual agenda is at the root of atheism. Atheism is just one of the forms of satanism. Atheism is just one of the illusions/delusions Satan sells to those who believe they are too exposed, too educated, too enlightened and too learned to worship him directly and consciously...satanism. So, atheism is just one of the numerous ways Satan draws people away from the Truth.


Dude, only YHVH can take away the pain and bitterness in your heart. It is only in him you can find fulfilment. As far you are concerned, this path you are traversing now is only a dead-end. It does not lead to anywhere meaningful for you. There is still time. Turn back, turn to Yahushua the Messiah, obey him, study the Scriptures for yourself and you will be free.

Praise YaHVeH Elohim Almighty.

Throw this shit out the window once again.

Unintelligent people usually regurgitate lies and quote nonsense as facts. Attend Budaatum logic school and come back to debate.

Some persons don't even know the meaning of atheism. They think it means doubting God when you are weak.

Akin1212:


Throw this shit out the window once again.

Unintelligent people usually regurgitate lies and quote nonsense as facts. Attend Budaatum logic school and come back to debate.

Tell Satan your father that he failed big time. He cannot use you to steer my reasoning towards the blasphemous things he reels out trough the mouth of his servant Budaatum.

I had to give you that advice a second time. And for the second time, you have rejected it. You have thrown it away because you do not see yourself worthy. Well, my job is to share the Word. The Father in heaven draws to himself those he wants and hardens the hearts of those he wants to harden.

John 6:65 He went on to say, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.

I wash my hands.

It is not an easy task to rescue a drowning man who has a death wish from drowning.

I won't be discussing with you again, akin1212, anymore on this issue.


However be sure of this; at the end of the age, every individual will appear before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where they will give account of what they did while still on this mortal body.


Sayonara.

elated177:


Tell Satan your father that he failed big time. He cannot use you to steer my reasoning towards the blasphemous things he reels out trough the mouth of his servant Budaatum.

I had to give you that advice a second time. And for the second time, you have rejected it. You have thrown it away because you do not see yourself worthy. Well, my job is to share the Word. The Father in heaven draws to himself those he wants and hardens the hearts of those he wants to harden.

John 6:65 He went on to say, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.

I wash my hands.

It is not an easy task to rescue a drowning man who has a death wish from drowning.

I won't be discussing with you again, akin1212, anymore on this issue.


However be sure of this; at the end of the age, every individual will appear before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where they will give account of what they did while still on this mortal body.


Sayonara.

Is it your mother that gave birth to me for Satan?

I know you are very stupid and that was why I said goodbye earlier.

When you get sense, come back here to prove that Satan, God and Jesus exist. Until then, shove every other nonsense you have up your asshol.e

Is it your God that does not exist that will judge everyone? Lol

For us to know that he is capable of judgment, tell him to appear first.

Akin1212:
Although you didn't ask me, but you didnt need to ask me before I could answer.

Relax Akin1212
because it is providence that made our path cross.
This is a public discourse and it is a beautiful thing that anyone, can latch on to it, even without invite.

You're welcome to the "luvmijeje and MuttleyLaff" face off, another series that's about to unfold
Please respond to you cojoined with luvmijeje, so please brace yourself as you follow along

Akin1212:
1. Because up till date no single evidence has been provided for the existence of this God.
All we have are just claims. Claims asking us to believe and have faith.
If there's evidence, there's no need for faith or belief.

As the whole world is a painting on a canvas literally,
and hung up, just as like you'll do an oil painting, what more evidence of an Artist than this, about the existence of this God, do you want?

Akin1212:
2. A fool is not someone who is curious, critical and ask questions.
A fool is someone who just accepts whatever he is told without investigation.

This is a jejune opinion

Akin1212:
The simplest definition from the Encarta dictionary is - an unintelligent person.

Since I disconcur with your cherised Encarta dictionary's simplest definition that a fool is unintelligent person
why not you, in your own words, give an exhaustive definition of a fool and possibly with example(s).

Akin1212:
3. Those verses are not accurate references to go to for the definition of a fool.

I am sorry to be the one telling you this, but they're exact references to go to for the definition of a fool.

Akin1212:
Thanks, I just had the urge to answer these questions.
Pardon my interference.

"Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"
- 1 Corinthians 1:20

"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom,
and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength."
- 1 Corinthians 1:25

"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God.
For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
- 1 Corinthians 2:14

I understand, and I am quite sure it was an irresistible strong urge
Your answers are feeble, lacked depth & aplomb though

This is the tip of the iceberg, we havent started yet, we havent even scratched any surface yet.
Put some oomph Akin1212 in your next post, so we can blast this wide open and apart

luvmijeje:
MuttleyLaff, life is a journey.
There are times to crawl.
There are times to walk and there are times to fly.
I've had many moment that I've doubted the existence of God

I don't decry you for this,
I dont decry you for ever doubting the existence of God

I am not judging you or any other atheists for their religion of not believing in the existence of God
but when they curse the darkness, I light candles
My work is to light up candle to illuminate a darkness

luvmijeje:
David who wrote the Book of Psalm also had a moment of doubt.
What do I mean?

Psalm 18:9
"He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet."

In other version of the Bible, it was written God teared heavens also. But in Psalm 8:3
"When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars"

When you read Psalm 8 and Psalm 18, you will see a writer who's going through different phases of his life.
In Psalm 8, there was no opposition so his praises to God was sweet.
But in Psalm 18 when he saw opposition, his praises suddenly grew a kwashiokor legs.

Do you know Christ also doubted God in the midst of opposition. Matthew 26 :46
" And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Do you also know that Abraham doubted God in the midst of opposition in Genesis 17:17
"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart,
Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?"


If these 3 men could doubt God in their moment of weakness, won't I be an hypocrite like you to call them names for not believing in God.

I thought I've seen it all but this one really takes the biscuit
I have never read nor come across a discombobulated post such as this before
I've always said that you are more confused than a chameleon that slipped into a bag of skittles

What the f word are you on? Huh?
Three simple and straightforward question but oh no, would she answer them.
No, she totally ignored the questions

luvmijeje, instead of ducking the questions, doing your usual strawman mining
and now this deflecting or going on a tangent, why not now attempt the 3 questions, now turned 4.
1/ Why is it alright not to believe in God or the existence of God?
2/ Why doesnt believing in God or the existence of God not make one a fool?
3/ What in the context of Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 is a fool?
4/ Did any out of these your 3 favourite men doubt the existence of God?

I will tell you why David was dispirited, if you were in David's shoes, you will be too
will tell you why Jesus Christ never in Matthew 26 :46 doubted God
and also will tell you why Abraham, in Genesis 17:17,
doubted God about the reality of him and his wife Sarah to still have the promised child together

I will only tell after you answer the original three questions, that's now become four

Africans lack originality. I find it very odd that the only evidence one can provide in support of his/her myths is from portions of the bible that are fallacious, fabricated and misleading.

Your ancestors did not need the bible to tell them that God existed or that our lives are interwoven in his existence. You do not need the bible to tell you this either , especially as it is interpolated with errors and political ideology.

The whole Jesus story is simply Roman Pagan myth and fable , which has been forced down the 'throats' of the black man. As we all know, the black man will drop his culture and tradition at the drop of a hat in acceptance of the myths and fables of the white man or Arab mans religion.

Christianity is not indigenous to Africa. Stop making a fool of yourself trying to justify something which even the Jews reject until this day , and which has no truthful backing or evidence outside the bible. You cannot use a book which clearly has a load of lies to support what is supposedly truth.

elated177:


However be sure of this; at the end of the age, every individual will appear before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where they will give account of what they did while still on this mortal body.

And you shall be standing by yelling with glee, "Burn them! Burn them! They are of the seed of satan", I suppose.

Smh!

MuttleyLaff:
Relax Akin1212
because it is providence that made our path cross.
This is a public discourse and it is a beautiful thing that anyone, can latch on to it, even without invite.

No qualms.

MuttleyLaff:


As the whole world is a painting on a canvas literally,
and hung up, just as like you'll do an oil painting, what more evidence of an Artist than this, about the existence of this God, do you want?

Only that in this inadequate analogy of yours, the painter can be investigated and found to exist literally.

However, for the sake of this dialogue, I'll agree that the world can be likened to a painting on a canvas, not forgetting that they are both material objects that can be perceived and interacted with physically by all our physical senses. The analogy is thus insufficient because it does not stipulate a physical creator for the universe as it does for the painting. Simple enough

Probably you'll look for a more apt analogy. I'll be waiting.

MuttleyLaff:


This is a jejune opinion

Yet you did not drop a mature or interesting one!

MuttleyLaff:


Since I disconcur with your cherised Encarta dictionary's simplest definition that a fool is unintelligent person
why not you, in your own words, give an exhaustive definition of a fool and possibly with example(s).

I wouldn't stress myself to define in depth what you would still disconcur with. Let's just go with the simplest definition, "an unintelligent person."

Obviously a fool it its simplest form cannot be intelligent.

MuttleyLaff:


I am sorry to be the one telling you this, but they're exact references to go to for the definition of a fool.

I am also sorry. The Bible is not a language book, it is not a dictionary either. Since it is a subjective book, it can say a fool is someone who does not cherish it's most treasured character. That doesn't make it correct.

MuttleyLaff:


"Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"
- 1 Corinthians 1:20

"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom,
and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength."
- 1 Corinthians 1:25

"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God.
For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
- 1 Corinthians 2:14

I am sure the people who wrote down these verses had a testable and empirical proof of that which they called God, or were they also operating on faith - the ability to believe that anything you don't know or can't see exists?

Quoting words that suit your narrative from a book written to promote your narrative is a sign of weakness. Why don't we just use logic? If God exists at all, logic and critical reasoning will pick it up somehow.

MuttleyLaff:


I understand, and I am quite sure it was an irresistible strong urge
Your answers are feeble, lacked depth & aplomb though

Says someone who quoted a primitive and medieval book to back up his claims. Like I said, simplicity is the best. I don't need to go to the depth when the questions are shallow.

MuttleyLaff:


This is the tip of the iceberg, we havent started yet, we havent even scratched any surface yet.
Put some oomph Akin1212 in your next post, so we can blast this wide open and apart

I will like to believe so,

LordReed:


So what's difference? There those who dont believe in god live enviable lives moral wise, what benefit does your fairytale confer if I can be good without it. In fact I am much better off without it.

I guess the difference is that those decent people who don't believe would make even more peaceful, happy, loving persons were they to believe.

God always Increases the good in us

elated177:


Tell Satan your father that he failed big time. He cannot use you to steer my reasoning towards the blasphemous things he reels out trough the mouth of his servant Budaatum.

I had to give you that advice a second time. And for the second time, you have rejected it. You have thrown it away because you do not see yourself worthy. Well, my job is to share the Word. The Father in heaven draws to himself those he wants and hardens the hearts of those he wants to harden.

John 6:65 He went on to say, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.

I wash my hands.

It is not an easy task to rescue a drowning man who has a death wish from drowning.

I won't be discussing with you again, akin1212, anymore on this issue.


However be sure of this; at the end of the age, every individual will appear before the judgment seat of Yahushua the Messiah where they will give account of what they did while still on this mortal body.


Sayonara.

What if you've been worshipping the wrong god all this time? What if islam has always been the right religion and all the years worshhpping yahweh, you have just been provoking allah?

@elated177 Even if God and heaven did exist, Akin1212 would be more likely to go to heaven because he is doing good things for the sake of doing the right thing, whether he believes in a god or not. Whereas you're just being motivated, consciously or otherwise, by the threat of eternal damnation in hell and/or the promise of eternal joy in heaven. If you thought there was no god, you'd probably be swimming in sin

You christians love to label atheists as fools just because it says so in the bible - a completely flawed, contradictory book by the way, but in truth, you are the real fools. At least Atheists have the intelligence to scrutinize their beliefs and search for evidence. Christians are just brainwashed to do whatsoever they are told without applying any iota of logic. @elated177 stop trying to infect people wit ur delusions of grandeur

Ubenedictus:
I guess the difference is that those decent people who don't believe would make even more peaceful, happy, loving persons were they to believe.

God always Increases the good in us

Nope they'll just become carriers of hatred and division. I much prefer to be at peace with the man who thinks other men are sexually attractive than to look for ways to suppress or kill him. I would much rather be friends with a bastard than with a priest who would call him unworthy of the god's blessings. All religion does is fuel division instead of recognising humanity.

MhizAngel99:
@elated177 Even if God and heaven did exist, Akin1212 would be more likely to go to heaven because he is doing good things for the sake of doing the right thing, whether he believes in a god or not. Whereas you're just being motivated, consciously or otherwise, by the threat of eternal damnation in hell and/or the promise of eternal joy in heaven. If you thought there was no god, you'd probably be swimming in sin

You christians love to label atheists as fools just because it says so in the bible - a completely flawed, contradictory book by the way, but in truth, you are the real fools. At least Atheists have the intelligence to scrutinize their beliefs and search for evidence. Christians are just brainwashed to do whatsoever they are told without applying any iota of logic. @elated177 stop trying to infect people wit ur delusions of grandeur

Such as them crucify Christ and think they worship him. The delusion they work under amazes me.

I think atheists should stop expressing their disbelief in Gods.They should just make it obvious that they don't have any reason to accept certain things by making certain things expressly unacceptable. This might not be easy but they can start with asking certain questions which will certainly leave all theists lost/perplexed/puzzled..

HellVictorinho:
I think atheists should stop expressing their disbelief in Gods.They should just make it obvious that they don't have any reason to accept certain things by making certain things expressly unacceptable. This might not be easy but they can start with asking certain questions which will certainly leave all theists lost/perplexed/puzzled..

We do that a lot already but most theist when they come up against such incisive questions immediately want to shutdown the conversation with their theistic assertions or with bible thumping.