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Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 12:44pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
@djon78 You can only hear something interesting or exiting on social media about life and true faith. But the TEACHINGS must be learnt by seeing,talking and walking with people of Faith. Even Jesus with all His love for humans, came down to lay His life on the line,while preaching and teaching many of those following Him turned back NEVER TO FOLLOW HIM AGAIN! John 6:66 But He later prayed ONLY for those who continued to follow Him EVERYWHERE He goes. John 17:8,9 This He NEVER did with people who just listened and walk away without persistent scrutiny to know the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what He was saying. Matthew 13:10,11 Today most people will say Jehovah's Witnesses *love ONLY their members. John 13:35 *used to cram the Bible. John 14:26 *are No1 in preaching and teaching. Matthew 24:14 *marry only their members. 1Corinthians 7:39 These and many more are the results of PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS exhibited by those teaching us as illuminators of light. Matthew 5:14-16 |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 2:28pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
TATIME: First of all salvation is an experience of the inner man done by the Holy Spirit. Then Jesus told us in John 6 vs 63; it is the spirit that quickens the flesh profits nothing. The word that I speak unto you are Spirit and life. Discussing, sharing of God's word releases the life of God, just like discussing filth and lusts empowers and enforces evil. Coming to the terms of Jehovah's witness preaching one on one. We are in the modern times. Social media is part of modern times and it is a very potent use of evangelism. I don't need to start giving you countless testimonies of how millions of lives have been touched by the aid of social media. In fact more People interact via the social media than real life. On this forum we communicate with each other from different parts of the globe. On the experience. One unique thing about following Jesus is that whatever you are going through someone has gone through that. And in sharing on this kind of topic, the person sees solution to his problems and challenges. Which is one of the workings of the Holy Spirit!!!! And like I said before you will be shocked at the number of lives this thread has greatly affected for good and souls saved for the kingdom. Thanks |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by djon78(m): 2:42pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
TATIME: Social media is a means of communication and dissemination of information. That I am on social media does not mean that I don't have my own company or brethren. Most of the sharing you saw here was gotten from teachings learnt over a lifetime in local congregations. It was from people who interact in real life and thereby share on this topic. So there is no case of hearing and walking away. It is more an issue of Mans innermost hunger and desire for God as Jesus told us Matthew 5 that Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled. Most of all heavenly race is more about our one on one personal encounters with God which strengthens us to stand tall against challenges we encounter along the race |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 4:45pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
djon78:Well the FRUITS will revealed what type of seed is planted and the adequacy of those watering it. God bless you! |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 5:21pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
djon78: Please don't waste your precious time with that Jehovah's false witness. He's hopeless. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 6:41pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Evidence of the type of SEED sown! Matthew 5:22,7:17,18,Luke 6:45 |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Ubenedictus(m): 7:28pm On Jan 01, 2019 |
Syncan:amen |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by pee777(m): 10:28pm On Jan 02, 2019 |
Good explanation. We must understand that eternal life, salvation is a gift from God. You did nothing to be saved, the bible says "while we are yet sinners Christ died for us." This death on the cross and the resurrection is what gave credence to the Christian Faith. Mind you as much as Christ died for all, you must by Faith believe and accept this fact and confess it for you to receive this free gift we talk about including the holy spirit. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believe shall not perish but have eternal life. The question is what then is eternal Life, John 17:3 clearly defines what exactly it is, not a futuristic experience but an immediate gift and experience. John 17:3 And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. Mind youy we have not in any way chose God but God has chosen us, and he that He has chosen he will by no means cast away. This now explains the fact of philipians 2:12, try read in other bible translations to get the understanding of the true meaning, Php 2:12 My dear friends, you always obeyed what you were taught. Just as you obeyed when I was with you, it is even more important for you to obey now that I am not there. So you must continue to live in a way that gives meaning to your salvation. Do this with fear and respect for God. The summary of it is that as a true child of God who geniunely receive Christ, you have been given a gift that you cannot lose and it will be difficult for you to remain in sin if the holy spirit is in you because you also have it as a gift. The tendency that you are not really in faith is why you can be so much comfortable in sin and shift your focus from Christ to sin. I agree wholeheartedly that sin inot a condition to go to hell for a believer but sin will deny a believer from Gods blessings. alBHAGDADI: |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Newerakings(m): 8:12am On Jan 03, 2019 |
1st John 3 v 5-9 5 KJV:And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 KJV:Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 KJV:Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 KJV:He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 KJV:Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I believe this bible verse will convince the person who posted this false doctrine about salvation. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by viaco(m): 3:50pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
I admonish we read these articles and I hope it clears all doubts. Please endeavour to read each scripture as well. God bless. Perseverance of the Saints - is it biblical? Excerpt: One of the misconceptions about the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints is that it will lead to “carnal Christians” who believe that since they are eternally secure they can live whatever licentious lifestyle they wish and still be saved. But that is a misunderstanding of the doctrine and what the Bible teaches. A person who believes he can live any way he wants because he has professed Christ is not demonstrating true saving faith (1 John 2:3-4). Our eternal security rests on the biblical teaching that those whom God justifies, He will also glorify (Romans 8:29-30). Those who are saved will indeed be conformed to the image of Christ through the process of sanctification (1 Corinthians 6:11). When a person is saved, the Holy Spirit breaks the bondage of sin and gives the believer a new heart and a desire to seek holiness. Therefore a true Christian will desire to be obedient to God and will be convicted by the Holy Spirit when he sins. True Christians will never “live any way they want” because such behavior is impossible for someone who has been given a new nature (2 Corinthians 5:17). Can a Christian lose salvation? Excerpt: Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4). I pray the Holy Spirit gives you understanding in Jesus name. 1 Like |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by UncletC: 9:15pm On Jan 05, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Mr over sabi...Christianity is not a fun fare, asking this childish question means you are still deep in sin....repent first then I will give you scriptural verses. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by pee777(m): 7:29pm On Jun 13, 2019 |
Well the major difference between Islam and Christianity is: 1) Islam believes you earn salvation by works. But in Christianity, its by faith and a gift from God. 2) Christianity believe is founded on Jesus Christ as the only way to God. Everything in the bible pointed to Jesus Christ from Genesis to Revelation. Islam see Jesus as one of the prophets. The big question then is: does the Christians and Moslems pray to the same God? Lirqur: |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Godssword1(m): 9:06pm On Jun 13, 2019 |
Another OSAS Gospel? Kindly read this: https://www.ibloggospel.com/2018/03/grace-for-overcoming-world.html ... |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by crunchyg: 11:40am On Jul 04, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Oga I will advice you to at least do thorough research before coming here to lead a lot of people wrongly, how can be on say that the bible wasn't referring to a believer in that passage as you said in the bolded. Now look at the passage again carefully Hebrews 6:4-7 King James Version (KJV) 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and [b]have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [/b] . check out the bolded in verse 4. Once enlightened- this means they have already known about the ways of the Lord. Have tasted the heaven gift- Like we know Righteousness is a gift given to the believer without him doing any work to get it. Were made partaker of the Holy Ghost - Oga how can you say that some one that the bible says was made a partaker of the Holy Ghost was on his way to believing or what? Please don't deceive yourself all this attributes bolded here are attributes of a believer and not attributes of someone who is on his way to becoming a child of God. So this your acertion is wrong. 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come. In verse 5 it says the person has already tasted the good word of God and even experienced the power of the world t come, bros how can you still say that someone with these experiences is not an already believer?. Bros just know that what you said is wrong because this passage was referring to believers who fell away. Tanx 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 2:14pm On Jul 04, 2019 |
crunchyg: Take note of these words: Enlightened and Taste. Being enlightenes doesn't mean they accepted Jesus Christ. It simply means they were fully aware of the gospel, understood everything about it. That's why the verse went on to say they tasted it. None of these means they accepted it. They only had a feel of it. Now, concerning the Holy Ghost, they were partakers of it, but it doesn't mean they accepted the spirit. The High Priest Caiaphas was an unbeliever but was still used by the Holy Spirit in making a prophetic statement about Jesus. Such people had the Holy Spirit working in them and the same spirit made them understand the Gospel. Sadly, they rejected it. The Bible went on to say that it would be difficult to save them because they rejected the gospel. That's what the passage is saying. The passage in no way talked about believers. Because if you clearly understand the passage to mean someone who went away from Christianity, then you are saying such a person can never be saved again. How come you people Immediately beg for forgiveness and return to Christianity if you hold such believe? |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jul 04, 2019 |
@op please I beg you in the name of God to stop deceiving people with this doctrine from the Church of Satan. I know you're just spreading your ignorance, but I can authoritatively tell you that this doctrine is from the devil himself. This isn't of God at all, so please don't mislead any new convert of Christ with your false doctrine. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 5:32pm On Jul 04, 2019 |
EnthronedbyGod: Prove it wrong or remain silent. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by Nobody: 10:05pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Trying to prove your topic wrong will be a waste of time, the only solution to your problem is prayers. You have consciously chosen the path to destruction. My concern was never about you, but about people who you're trying to mislead. It's people like you that become pastors and start sleeping with their members deceiving themselves that grace covers them to do whatever they like. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by alBHAGDADI: 10:09pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
EnthronedbyGod: This post would have been enough to prove the op wrong. Perhaps, you can't give what you don't have. |
Re: If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation, Then You Have Called God A Liar by oaroloye(m): 6:17am On Aug 03, 2021 |
MISHIGAS! THE GREATEST MYSTERY TO ME IN CHRISTIANITY, IS HOW CHRISTIANS ACCEPT LEADERSHIP FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER DEFINED THEIR OWN ALLEGIANCES, BELIEFS, GOALS, AND QUALIFICATIONS! So, if someone were a member of the actual CHURCH OF SATAN, (and there is literally such a thing: they actually call themselves that!) they can come and preach total bullshit, with the intention of destroying Christian Faith- but so-called Christians will still follow him, listen to him, and consider his advice. I AM A BORN AGAIN, FULL-GOSPEL, PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIANITY OF ADVANCED WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, WHICH I HAVE EARNED OVER THE COURSE OF SOME FORTY YEARS: I HAVE USED MY ADVANCED ATTAINMENT STATUS TO EXAMINE AND ANALIZE (sic) OTHER BELIEF SYSTEMS, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE THAT IS GOOD, RIGHT, AND TRUE, AND WHAT THEY HAVE THAT IS EVIL, WRONG, AND FALSE. This includes NATIVE AMERICAN MYSTICISM, called NAGUALISM, and the first of the NEW AGE Religions, called SCIENTOLOGY. My Knowledge of these is based upon MY OWN PERSONAL EXAMINATION of what they profess- NOT WHAT SOME IDIOT HAS HEARD OR THOUGHT THAT THEY PROFESS. . EXODUS 20:16. 16. "Thou shalt not bear False Witness against thy Neighbour." BEING A FOLLOWER OF LORD YESHUA MEANS TO ME, BY DEFAULT, THAT I WILL NEVER LIE ABOUT MY FINDINGS NOR FALSELY ACCUSE ANYONE. . DEUTERONOMY 18:15-22. 5. The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy Brethren, like unto Me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16. According to all that thou desiredst of The LORD thy God in Horeb in the Day of the Assembly, saying, "LET ME NOT HEAR AGAIN THE VOICE OF THE LORD MY GOD, NEITHER LET ME SEE THIS GREAT FIRE ANY MORE, THAT I DIE NOT." 17. And The LORD Said unto me, "THEY HAVE WELL SPOKEN THAT WHICH THEY HAVE SPOKEN. 18. "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN, LIKE UNTO THEE, AND WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH; AND HE SHALL SPEAK UNTO THEM ALL THAT I SHALL COMMAND HIM. 19. "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT WHOSOEVER WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO MY WORDS WHICH HE SHALL SPEAK IN MY NAME, I WILL REQUIRE IT OF HIM.” 20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My Name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21. "And if thou say in thine heart, 'HOW SHALL WE KNOW THE WORD WHICH THE LORD HATH NOT SPOKEN?' 22. When a prophet speaketh in The Name of The LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which The LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. I BELIEVE THAT SIN OR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS DETERMINED BY THE HEBREW Y'SRAELITE PROPHET MOSES OF LEVI ALONE, AND THAT LORD YESHUA IS THE PERFECT FOLLOWER OF HIS TEACHINGS, WHICH HE RECEIVED FROM GOD DURING THE EXODUS EVENT OF 1300BC. . MATTHEW 7:12-29. 12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is The Law and The Prophets. 13. "Enter ye in at the strait Gate: for wide is the Gate, and broad is the Way, that leadeth to Destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14. "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the Way, which leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find It. 15. Beware of False Prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17. "Even so every Good Tree bringeth forth Good Fruit; but a Corrupt Tree bringeth forth Evil Fruit. 18. "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit, neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fruit. 19. "Every Tree that bringeth not forth Good Fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20. "Wherefore by their Fruits ye shall know them. 21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven. 22. "Many will say to me in That Day, 'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?' 23. "And then will I profess unto them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.' 24. "Therefore whosoever heareth these Sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a Wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26. "And every one that heareth these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a Foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." 28. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these Sayings, the people were astonished at his Doctrine: 29. For he Taught them as (one) having Authority, and not as the Scribes. I BELIEVE THAT LORD YESHUA'S INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW OF MOSED ARE THE PRIMARY CORRECT ONES- ANYONE CONTRADICTING THEM IS WRONG, AND WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO DESTRUCTION. The term "JESUS" did not exist until about 500 years ago, which was when the Europeans invented the letter "J." This was when they began claiming that the HEBREW PEOPLE were OYINBO CAUCASIANS- whose skin LITERALLY BURNS when exposed to the Sunshine of that region, causing serious injury, to the extent of FATAL SKIN CANCER. They used a wicked man named CESARE BORGIA as the MODEL for their "JESUS CHRIST." He was the illegitimate son of RODRIGO BORGIA, who went on to become the infamous POPE ALEXANDER VI. This Evil man is responsible for the popularity of the concept that DISEASES CAN BE CURED BY POISONING PEOPLE. [See: THE MEDICAL CONSPIRACY, by William Schnoebelen.] The ISRAELI ZIONIST JEWS are not related to the ISRAELITES of The Bible, but are descendants of 9th EUROPEAN CONVERTS TO JUDAISM, called KHAZARS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulan_(Khazar) THESE IMPERSONATORS OF THE PRIMARY PEOPLE OF GOD HAVE AN EVIL PLAN TO RULE THE WORLD BY SINFUL, IMMORAL, AND WICKED MEANS- WHICH PLAN IS NOT EVEN A SECRET ANY MORE. [See: THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION (1897?). THE INTERNATIONAL JEW: The World's Most Foremost Problem, by Henry Ford (1927). THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, by Arthur Koestler (1970). THE INVENTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, by Shlomo Sand (2006).] Some of them have been horrified to learn the legacy of lies that they have been born into, and have actively tried to expose their own people. Such as BENJAMIN FREEDMAN- who tried to expose the fact that the WORLD WAR II HOLOCAUST, which was the basis of the land of Palestine being given to the FALSE JEWS- is a BIG LIE. In "THE HOLOCAUST:" Adolf Hitler merely tried to prevent the Jews from destroying his country, while he fought in the AXIS ROMAN CATHOLIC CRUSADE to DESTROY PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY in EUROPE, RUSSIA, ETHIOPIA, ENGLAND, and AMERICA. The attempt failed, and the true motivation was covered up. [See: THE GODFATHERS, by Jack T. Chick.] (1) The major achievement of WORLD WAR II was the REMOVAL OF THE POPE from THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS- allowing him PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY, in their manipulation of Nations. (2) The installation of a branch of OYINBO PEOPLE in The Promised Land. If the BLACK people who should have been ruling ISRAEL had been allowed to do so, THE OYINBOS WOULD NOT BE RUNNING HAYWIRE, LIKE THEY ARE, NOW. Maximus69: WHAT SORT OF A GOD WOULD YAHWEH GOD BE. IF HIS MESSAGE OF RIGHT VERSUS WRONG WERE NOT SO SIMPLE, EVEN CHILDREN COULD UNDERSTAND IT? It is only when you try to replace The Truth with LIES that The Message becomes COMPLICATED. Everything comes down to PROPHET MOSES and LORD YESHUA. Everyone who contradicts THEM is just WRONG. . MARK 14:50. 50. And they all forsook him, and fled. ALL OF THE DISCIPLES ABANDONED THE TRUTH, AND NEVER RETURNED TO IT. Lord Yeshua TRIED to Return to them, but THEY ALL REJECTED HIM. He GAVE UP ON THEM, after he had EXPLAINED THE GOSPEL FOR FORTY DAYS- then they DENIED that he had accomplished anything significant. THE KINGDOM OF GOD DOES NOT DEPEND ON THOSE DISCIPLES- BUT ON THOSE WHO LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES, AND SUCCESSFULLY CLEAN UP THEIR MESS! They ALL lost their SALVATION, and ALL lost their SOULS. alBHAGDADI: NOT EVERYONE SPEAKING FOR GOD IS REALLY GOD SPEAKING. alBHAGDADI: BELIEVING WRONGLY IN LORD YESHUA WILL SAVE NOBODY. alBHAGDADI: FLATTERY LEADS TO RUIN. alBHAGDADI: ALL THE DISCIPLES BELIEVED IN YESHUA WRONGLY! alBHAGDADI: CEPHAS WAS THE ONLY ONE LORD YESHUA CALLED "SATAN!" alBHAGDADI: alBHAGDADI: BOTH CEPHAS AND YOCHANNAN LIED- THEY WERE BIGGER "DEVILS" THAN YUDAH OF ISCARIOT! alBHAGDADI: YOCHANNAN'S PROMISES ARE DECEPTIONS. alBHAGDADI: THE CONDITIONS FOR SALVATION ARE NOT FULFILLED! alBHAGDADI: THIS IS THE VERY EPITOME OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE! How are you even aware of what you are saying? SINNERS ARE DEFYING GOD, REBELLING AGAINST HIS WILL- BUT YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE ACCEPTED WITH GOD? alBHAGDADI: THIS IS CALLED THE NICOLAITAN HERESY. Paul was NEVER Saved. alBHAGDADI: ALL OF THESE PAULINE THEORIES ARE INVALID!
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