barapistis:


Any christian not hearing from God in this age is not matured enough to be called a christian

The entire world is in deep deception,you cannot know the truth by listening to what you see and hear from people,its completely impossible

I say this as I have read a lot about wars,world wars

CIA operations,mossad,including such books as by the way of deception,wage thy war and many more

Aside this,I was in battle for many years and still in battles with demons like Osun,just in case you don't know ,she is thsame as ezewane in Igbo and the Greek goddess Diana
She appears with different names in different dispensations but her characters are still the same

This has mad me understand that there is nothing like been smart in the kingdom of God

You cannot be smart(you can only be wise) if you looking for a smart guy,checkout Lucifer
The guy smart die

There was a certain time I was told by God the he Lucifer dosnt just lie

He is lie( for he does not have the ability to say the truth)

But if you do hear the voice of the spirit of God

You are made

Remember, its not the action the spirit considers ,but the intent of a man,

The Spirit does not considers your works ,but your very intention regarding the work

So bro,I do hear from Him ,not as frequent as I want as I do get so engaged in daily activities


Another one was a yahoo boy that had wanted to use me for rituals

I was so determined to followed untill I was stopped by God

Me still lacking understanding told God I was going to get a job

Then He simply told me I would die(I have this deep faith then that I can't just die not by the hands of men,not by demons or Lucifer ,but here was I been told I was going to die)

If you do Talk with with God you will notice that the spirit of God can be both gentle in speaking and mean at other times

I just followed ,3 months later I saw same guy who had wanted to lure me into death by telling me he's mum has a poultry farm in Abeokuta where I can get a job driving a Toyota

I was feeding the same guy some few months back

Immediately I saw him...God spoke again about his real intentions

To buttress my point ,I Had preach just a little to this guy I knew from no where but was leaving with me

I had to do the preaching as I was probed by God when he showed me the spirit of the guy

It was complete darkness... Untill then,I have never seen the spirit of an unsaved man
Pastors have preached ,heard different sermons but none ever discribed it

I saw a kind something as dark as charcoal mixed in engine oil

An unsaved man is in complete darkness(that was my first sight of it) and I have not seen it again

Bros, sorry for the long delay of my response.

I'm really feeling your comments.

What's going on here with respect to all the denials of the those of the world concerning the Holy Spirit is not far-fetched for Jesus Himself said to His disciples:

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:16-17 (KJV)

So it shouldn't be surprising when those of the world as the atheists who do not believe God exists, do not accept the truth concerning His Spirit, for it's just those of God who know Him that would be able to do so.

And that's why you know Him, that's also why I know Him, for He's my Partner, and He the one behind whatever I do or say here that appears to be extraordinary, for it's not me but He that's in me.

So bro it really feels good to hear about your walk with God, and also your encounters with demons etc., for in my own case it has been mostly Satan the chief devil himself that I have been encountering on several occasions, and I don't know if the osun you talked about is the same as the queen of the coast, for I don find am tire but she seems to be hiding from me.

So bro we definitely have a lot to talk about for i can really connect with some of your comments here.

Thanks you bigly for sharing it with us, God bless you.

jesusjnr:
Bros, sorry for the long delay of my response.

I'm really feeling your comments.

What's going on here with respect to all the denials of the those of the world concerning the Holy Spirit is not far-fetched for Jesus Himself said to His disciples:

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:16-17 (KJV)

So it shouldn't be surprising when those of the world as the atheists who do not believe God exists, do not accept the truth concerning His Spirit, for it's just those of God who know Him that would be able to do so.

And that's why you know Him, that's also why I know Him, for He's my Partner, and He the one behind whatever I do or say here that appears to be extraordinary, for it's not me but He that's in me.

So bro it really feels good to hear about your walk with God, and also your encounters with demons etc., for in my own case it has been mostly Satan the chief devil himself that I have been encountering on several occasions, and I don't know if the osun you talked about is the same as the queen of the coast, for I don find am tire but she seems to be hiding from me.

So bro we definitely have a lot to talk about for i can really connect with some of your comments here.

Thanks you bigly for sharing it with us, God bless you.

Bro,

I never thought anybody could be dealing with belzabub to know just like you mentioned above

You should have noticed I use Lucifer instead of Satan

Lucifer is the main name(lot of battles with that guy...not been easy

And yes....Osun is the queen of the coast...I done study her tired to make me conclude that
Where as the devil was the main guy driven out of heaven

There where other more powerful angels (demons driven out with him(I suspect the queen of the coast may be one of this(she seems to be at the for front like say she be Lucifer wife)
She is full of tricks ,all manner of tricks

You should know reveren men Paul obieke and his ordeal with the lady born without a father..she was born without her mother meeting a man

The above story gave me insight into some spiritual principles

That what ever God has done can be replicated by his creation ..this include humans and fallen angels


Will be contacting you later too

Didn't know you have experienced the same

I just dey happy say I don see another soja

IAmSabrina:


He might say that, but if he adopts classical theism, it is specifically in its tenets that faith and divine revelation is the only method to reach the "truth". To accept classical theism is to accept faith and divine revelation.

This is not quite true. One can adopt philosophical theism and it might have nothing to do with faith (though, I wouldn't argue it wasn't 'divinely revealed', since not everyone sees it even while observing what seems like the same thing).

I doubt there's a thing called "classical theism" in Christianity, in fact, too.

barapistis:




Bro,

I never thought anybody could be dealing with belzabub to know just like you mentioned above

You should have noticed I use Lucifer instead of Satan

Lucifer is the main name(lot of battles with that guy...not been easy

And yes....Osun is the queen of the coast...I done study her tired to make me conclude that
Where as the devil was the main guy driven out of heaven

There where other more powerful angels (demons driven out with him(I suspect the queen of the coast may be one of this(she seems to be at the for front like say she be Lucifer wife)
She is full of tricks ,all manner of tricks

You should know reveren men Paul obieke and his ordeal with the lady born without a father..she was born without her mother meeting a man

The above story gave me insight into some spiritual principles

That what ever God has done can be replicated by his creation ..this include humans and fallen angels


Will be contacting you later too

Didn't know you have experienced the same

I just dey happy say I don see another soja

The feeling is mutual my broda.

It's actually my encounters with Satan himself that made me understand why Jesus depicted him as the strong man, for that guy is strong no be today.

For every other demon na sweeping things, easy breezy, but when it comes to Satan Lol, the guy requires extra effort.

So I also get to understand why Jesus was so insistent on the building His church upon the rock, for if otherwise Satan go overrun am as he's successfully doing today.

So when I hear certain spiritually mediocre Christians here challenging him, I go just dey laugh, because if satan himself follow them their own go be sorry, for it's not by mouth but you've got to have that spiritual capacity to be able to do that.

Though to be honest with you I didn't understand when God was preparing me for this, as I was complaining and murmuring out of my ignorance.

But when I started to see the extent of my spiritual prowess afterwards, and how satan began to take me seriously that he had confronted me on several occasions himself, and even once deceptively made me a multi million dollar offer to stop me from spreading the Word of God that I had in me, even when I hadn't come out yet, etc., I began to thank God for everything He put me through to make me become so spiritually powerful that satan has no answer to my question.

That's why I would do everything for God to remain with me even if it leads to every one being against me, for all the human beings on earth put together can never do for me what God has done for me.

But of course it's a very lonely place to be in because of what it requires to gain this extent of spiritual trust, so in spite of there being Christians lall over the place, it's very hard to find one to reason withthis level of the Spirit.

But when i saw some of your comments here, such as the one with respect to Lucifer, queen of the coast etc., it seemed like i'd gotten someone that I could reason with at my level of the spirit here in nairaland, which is a very rare occasion indeed.

So thank you for refusing to settle for spiritual mediocrity, for God certainly deserves better than that.

Really looking forward to linking up with you on this platform and elsewhere to devastating effect on the works of satan.

IAmSabrina:

I'm saying that you did not start like that. You started with citing what you think most theologians say about the subject but then quickly renege on that. If you think it does not, then why start with that?


No, it is because I bring up a point as a refutation of part of an argument you present and go straight to offering an opinion that directly counters my argument. You also seem to conveniently disagree with a number of theologians and, of course, the bible on the existence and details of angels. Which, again, seems to be very convenient, considering the point I raised.


I never said anyone has to commit to anything. I'm saying that, using the same arguments and principals you agree with, I've argued for the existence of angels and that is all it needs to do. Once it has done that, we can start looking at information from theologians or the bible to gain more information about angels.

And as I said earlier, you're welcome to present inductively, arguments that refute such evidence for angels. I've presented my argument using your methods.


And again, no one is saying it IS necessarily angels. It could be God or it could be angels. The bible details that there are more than 1 angel and these sorts of experiences have been recorded by thousands of people before, so using all those arguments and principals, which I've laid out earlier, it IS evidence for angels. And I am not interested in disputing God at the moment, I'm interested in angels.


No, but we can turn to theologians, whose speciality and training is to ascertain such knowledge, correct? But for some reason, you deny even the most prominent theologian's conclusions about angels, strange. Conclusion that support my argument, so it does seem very convenient and uncanny that you'd deny it.


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@bolded. Uncanny indeed

Of course, you're free to choose whatever conclusion you make. But it is certainly not because of scientific, philosophical and historical evidence. The mainstay to your belief (classical theism) is prided upon divine revelation and faith. Human reason is only but the handmaiden to theology and thus no amount of scientific, philosophical or historical evidence against that, can thwart what knowledge is attained by faith and divine revelation. But of course, I cannot know what underlying factors play in your being convinced, although I certainly know for many, fear of death + life after death, solace in the thought of a magical being that looks out for you and the by-proxy community support and acceptance are often key factors in their decision


Wow, really?

I decided to look him up, and have you read his book which outlines the reason he converted? And also, something he says which supports the paragraph just above this one . Quoted from an interview with him:

Nobody gets argued all the way into becoming a believer on the sheer basis of logic and reason. That requires a leap of faith. And that leap of faith seemed very scary to me. After I had struggled with this for a couple of years, I was hiking in the Cascade Mountains on a beautiful fall afternoon. I turned the corner and saw in front of me this frozen waterfall, a couple of hundred feet high. Actually, a waterfall that had three parts to it — also the symbolic three in one. At that moment, I felt my resistance leave me. And it was a great sense of relief. The next morning, in the dewy grass in the shadow of the Cascades, I fell on my knees and accepted this truth — that God is God, that Christ is his son and that I am giving my life to that belief.


LOL. The man who argued from personal incredulity? I.E "The universe is just too complex, couldn't have been chance, must be God". I'm crying

Cc. Martinez39


I do not know of him. But if he turned to Aquinas' theology then again, reason is not most important.


Ah yes, but that is accounted for by selection bias. However, philosophers of religion make up a small amount of philosophers overall. The selection bias comes from the vested interest people who are already believers going into it, there is little to no movement within philosophers of religion either way. However, many who were theist going into other areas of philosophy are often philosophised out of it. There is a survey somewhere that highlights that.

But sure, crank out those "arguments"

HalleluYAH!!! That's why HE gave us brain, for Faith to be birthed in us by knowing and acknowledging from what we see, that HE is real. It's a fair deal and price to prove that we deserve the eternal Life that HE is about rewarding us with. Satan and the demons cannot be killed with guns, they earned it without this test that we humans are undergoing and they messed up. Most of us have physically seen demons before, I have. But I've not physically seen Angels before, yet I know whenever Angels are in my room. "The Just shall Live by Faith (not by seeing; the world and the carnally minded live by sight). Romans 1:17,Galatians 2:18-20, Habakkuk 2:4b, Hebrews 10:38; 11:1. You shall fulfill the Glorious Purpose for which HE created you in JESUS YAHSHA HaMashiach's Name.

barapistis:


Any christian not hearing from God in this age is not matured enough to be called a christian

The entire world is in deep deception,you cannot know the truth by listening to what you see and hear from people,its completely impossible

I say this as I have read a lot about wars,world wars

CIA operations,mossad,including such books as by the way of deception,wage thy war and many more

Aside this,I was in battle for many years and still in battles with demons like Osun,just in case you don't know ,she is thsame as ezewane in Igbo and the Greek goddess Diana
She appears with different names in different dispensations but her characters are still the same

This has mad me understand that there is nothing like been smart in the kingdom of God

You cannot be smart(you can only be wise) if you looking for a smart guy,checkout Lucifer
The guy smart die

There was a certain time I was told by God the he Lucifer dosnt just lie

He is lie( for he does not have the ability to say the truth)

But if you do hear the voice of the spirit of God

You are made

Remember, its not the action the spirit considers ,but the intent of a man,

The Spirit does not considers your works ,but your very intention regarding the work

So bro,I do hear from Him ,not as frequent as I want as I do get so engaged in daily activities


Another one was a yahoo boy that had wanted to use me for rituals

I was so determined to followed untill I was stopped by God

Me still lacking understanding told God I was going to get a job

Then He simply told me I would die(I have this deep faith then that I can't just die not by the hands of men,not by demons or Lucifer ,but here was I been told I was going to die)

If you do Talk with with God you will notice that the spirit of God can be both gentle in speaking and mean at other times

I just followed ,3 months later I saw same guy who had wanted to lure me into death by telling me he's mum has a poultry farm in Abeokuta where I can get a job driving a Toyota

I was feeding the same guy some few months back

Immediately I saw him...God spoke again about his real intentions

To buttress my point ,I Had preach just a little to this guy I knew from no where but was leaving with me

I had to do the preaching as I was probed by God when he showed me the spirit of the guy

It was complete darkness... Untill then,I have never seen the spirit of an unsaved man
Pastors have preached ,heard different sermons but none ever discribed it

I saw a kind something as dark as charcoal mixed in engine oil

An unsaved man is in complete darkness(that was my first sight of it) and I have not seen it again

Thanks for this eye-opening comment. I once fought and destroyed 2 humanlike spirit beings that felt like black oily charcoal as I destroyed them, to the Glory of JESUS YAHSHA HaMashiach. I thought they were demons, now I know they were actually hamans' spirits that have been overtaken by evil.