I've seen different Nigerians saying Africans would have been better without Christianity and white people inventions.

I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but a barbarians and some people would have been killing twins and sacrificing children without Christianity.

Millions of Africans would have been dead due to preventable sickness, if Christians didn't donate to Africa which they do daily, most of us would have been dead.

Internet, democracy, freedom, etc are things inspired by Christianity made by Christians.

I think these atheists that hate Christianity after studying some few books(made by Christians white people) now claim they are the smartest there is. It's written in the Bible how these generations of idiots will behave

We would have advanced at our own pace.

Nemesis909:
We would have advanced at our own pace.

advance? You are kidding right?

If Christianity hadn't come to Africa we would have been backward. Ignore those disgruntled atheist that got tired because they couldn't face the reality of the Christian faith. The Christian race isn't built on bed of roses that is why challenges, obstacles and deviations set in to separate the sheep from the goat.

asuustrike1:
If Christianity hadn't come to Africa we would have been backward. Ignore those disgruntled atheist that got tired because they couldn't face the reality of the Christian faith. The Christian race isn't built on bed of roses that is why challenges, obstacles and deviations set in to separate the sheep from the goat.

10 million likes.

90% of Nigerian atheists are perfectly fine with Islam and other religions but Christianity always get them angry. I think we know the reasons they are like that

The truth is, if Christians hadn't come, Islam would have. And we all know how catastrophic that would have been.

Imagine me shouting those their nonsense! God forbid!

The truth of the matter is if christian missionaries hadn't come Muslims would have come or Buddhist or whatever in the name of religion the white imperialist needed to mask their continued stay and dominance in Africa with something....if they really cared so much about spreading the "gospel" how come slave trade found its way to Africa before religion....try to study your history understand how certain African countries stood and the level of civilization some African countries/cities already attained before the so called 'saviors' came.

Herdsmenson:
I've seen different Nigerians saying Africans would have been better without Christianity and white people inventions.

I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but a barbarians and some people would have been killing twins and sacrificing children without Christianity.

Millions of Africans would have been dead due to preventable sickness, if Christians didn't donate to Africa which they do daily, most of us would have been dead.

Internet, democracy, freedom, etc are things inspired by Christianity made by Christians.

I think these atheists that hate Christianity after studying some few books(made by Christians white people) now claim they are the smartest there is. It's written in the Bible how these generations of idiots will behave

You are ignorant and brainwashed to the point of lunacy.

For your information, Africa is the birthplace of civilization.

Here are the words of your own colonial 'masters'. They know YOUR history far better than you do. Read and learn:


THE WORDS OF LADY LUGARD, Historian wife of Lord Lugard, Ist British Governor-General of Nigeria:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Africans) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt.

For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favourites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, (1900)

http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

This is the same Africa that this moro.n is insulting:


Let's just start from slightly to our north:


Sudan was a major centre of African civilization in antiquity.

When Europe was a wasteland of barbarism and cave-dwelling illiteracy, Sudan (ancient Nubia) was giving the world mighty temples and pyramids built according to the highest mathematical and geometric principles and standards.

Incidentally I was watching an American TV news show the other day in which the host, Joe Scarborough, was telling his viewers that ''Muslims invented mathematics''.

A claim profoundly false and misleading, since the pyramids of Sudan - all 223 of them, were built thousands of years before the birth of Muhammed, the founder of Islam.

(Egypt's pyramids and temples of course are another example of ancient black African mathematics that preceded by thousands of years all European and Arab civilizations, but this post is about Sudan)

Excerpt:

''Nubian pyramids are pyramids that were built by the rulers of the ancient Kushite kingdoms. The area of the Nile valley known as Nubia, which lies [in] present day Sudan, was home to three Kushite kingdoms during antiquity. The first had its capital at Kerma (2500–1500 BC). The second was centered on Napata (1000–300 BC). Finally, the last kingdom was centered on Meroë (300 BC–AD 300). They are built of granite and sandstone. The pyramids were partially demolished by [surprise surprise] Italian combat medic turned explorer and treasure hunter Giuseppe Ferlini in the 1830s''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids













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Queen Tiye, Nubian mother of Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaton. 1398 BC – 1338 BC







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.................Taharqa, Pharaoh of Nubia and Egypt - 690–664 BC

Benin City BEFORE The Whites Came.


According to the UK Guardian Newspaper (https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace)

''With its mathematical layout and earthworks longer than the Great Wall of China, Benin City was one of the best planned cities in the world when London was a place of ‘thievery and murder'.

The Benin empire was one of the oldest and most highly developed states in west Africa, dating back to the 11th century.

The Guinness Book of Records (1974 edition) described the walls of Benin City and its surrounding kingdom as the world’s largest earthworks carried out prior to the mechanical era. According to estimates by the New Scientist’s Fred Pearce, Benin City’s walls were at one point “four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops [in Egypt]”.

Benin City, 1500s



Situated on a plain, Benin City was enclosed by massive walls in the south and deep ditches in the north. Beyond the city walls, numerous further walls were erected that separated the surroundings of the capital into around 500 distinct villages.

Pearce writes that these walls “extended for some 16,000 km in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They covered 6,500 sq km and were all dug by the Edo people … They took an estimated 150 million hours to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet”.

Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.


When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”, at a time when there were hardly any other places in Africa the Europeans acknowledged as a city. Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.


African fractals

Benin City’s planning and design was done according to careful rules of symmetry, proportionality and repetition now known as fractal design. The mathematician Ron Eglash, author of African Fractals – which examines the patterns underpinning architecture, art and design in many parts of Africa – notes that the city and its surrounding villages were purposely laid out to form perfect fractals, with similar shapes repeated in the rooms of each house, and the house itself, and the clusters of houses in the village in mathematically predictable patterns.

As he puts it: “When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet.”


At the centre of the city stood the king’s court, from which extended 30 very straight, broad streets, each about 120-ft wide. These main streets, which ran at right angles to each other, had underground drainage made of a sunken impluvium with an outlet to carry away storm water. Many narrower side and intersecting streets extended off them. In the middle of the streets were turf on which animals fed.

“Houses are built alongside the streets in good order, the one close to the other,” writes the 17th-century Dutch visitor Olfert Dapper. “Adorned with gables and steps … they are usually broad with long galleries inside, especially so in the case of the houses of the nobility, and divided into many rooms which are separated by walls made of red clay, very well erected.”

Dapper adds that wealthy residents kept these walls “as shiny and smooth by washing and rubbing as any wall in Holland can be made with chalk, and they are like mirrors. The upper storeys are made of the same sort of clay. Moreover, every house is provided with a well for the supply of fresh water''.

Family houses were divided into three sections: the central part was the husband’s quarters, looking towards the road; to the left the wives’ quarters (oderie), and to the right the young men’s quarters (yekogbe).

Daily street life in Benin City might have consisted of large crowds going though even larger streets, with people colourfully dressed – some in white, others in yellow, blue or green – and the city captains acting as judges to resolve lawsuits, moderating debates in the numerous galleries, and arbitrating petty conflicts in the markets.

The early foreign explorers’ descriptions of Benin City portrayed it as a place free of crime and hunger, with large streets and houses kept clean; a city filled with courteous, honest people, and run by a centralised and highly sophisticated bureaucracy.

The exterior walls of the courts and compounds were decorated with horizontal ridge designs (agben) and clay carvings portraying animals, warriors and other symbols of power – the carvings would create contrasting patterns in the strong sunlight. Natural objects (pebbles or pieces of mica) were also pressed into the wet clay, while in the palaces, pillars were covered with bronze plaques illustrating the victories and deeds of former kings and nobles.

At the height of its greatness in the 12th century – well before the start of the European Renaissance – the kings and nobles of Benin City patronised craftsmen and lavished them with gifts and wealth, in return for their depiction of the kings’ and dignitaries’ great exploits in intricate bronze sculptures.

“These works from Benin are equal to the very finest examples of European casting technique,” wrote Professor Felix von Luschan, formerly of the Berlin Ethnological Museum. “Benvenuto Celini could not have cast them better, nor could anyone else before or after him. Technically, these bronzes represent the very highest possible achievement.”

What impressed the first visiting Europeans most was the wealth, artistic beauty and magnificence of the city. Immediately European nations saw the opportunity to develop trade with the wealthy kingdom, importing ivory, palm oil and pepper – and exporting guns. At the beginning of the 16th century, word quickly spread around Europe about the beautiful African city, and new visitors flocked in from all parts of Europe, with ever glowing testimonies, recorded in numerous voyage notes and illustrations.

Now, however, the great Benin City is lost to history. Its decline began in the 15th century, sparked by internal conflicts linked to the increasing European intrusion and slavery trade at the borders of the Benin empire.

Then in 1897, the city was destroyed by British soldiers – looted, blown up and burnt to the ground.''

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

I guess the British burnt it down so that our people a hundred years down the line, would write - colonised to the hilt like the demented OP - that:

''I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but barbarians without the white man and Christianity.''

TRAGIC.

Rossikk:
I guess the British burnt it down so that our people a hundred years down the line, would write - colonised to the hilt like the demented OP - that:

''I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but barbarians without the white man and Christianity.''

TRAGIC.

thanks bro,the Europeans niggas robbed and created divide and rule among us, pls bro go through this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=droXDWFdWAg

compton11:
thanks bro,the Europeans niggas robbed and created divide and rule among us, pls bro go through this video..

Excellent video and highly revealing.

It would have been something else unimaginable! Whatever we have learnt today to advance ourselves technically and intellectually is via western education. If we have not encountered the missionaries we could have been century time backward. That’s the reality!

If the Christian missionaries didnt come to Africa the world would be a much better place.

Herdsmenson:
I've seen different Nigerians saying Africans would have been better without Christianity and white people inventions.

I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but a barbarians and some people would have been killing twins and sacrificing children without Christianity.

Millions of Africans would have been dead due to preventable sickness, if Christians didn't donate to Africa which they do daily, most of us would have been dead.

Internet, democracy, freedom, etc are things inspired by Christianity made by Christians.

I think these atheists that hate Christianity after studying some few books(made by Christians white people) now claim they are the smartest there is. It's written in the Bible how these generations of idiots will behave

Sir,
While not disputing what you wrote in your OP,I find it hard to understand why the omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe needed white Christian missionaries or any mortal to spread his word to all the people of the world?

Dantedasz:


Sir,
While not disputing what you wrote in your OP,I find it hard to understand why the omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe needed white Christian missionaries or any mortal to spread his word to all the people of the world?

your own definition or the God you want doesn't matter.

God is God, God do whatever God wants without explanation

Herdsmenson:
your own definition or the God you want doesn't matter.

God is God, God do whatever God wants without explanation

The question once again is why will an omnipotent and omniscient creator God need a mere puny human to spread his word to all the world.
Funny enough up till now there are still people in the world who haven't heard the message that will save them from the everlasting incinerator.

Dantedasz:


The question once again is why will an omnipotent and omniscient creator God need a mere puny human to spread his word to all the world.
Funny enough up till now there are still people in the world who haven't heard the message that will save them from the everlasting incinerator.

the same reason he made the world

Herdsmenson:
the same reason he made the world

A God that created the world through magic under seven days was/is powerless to magically will his message of everlasting life to his creations so that they can avoid burning in the everlasting incinerator.
This omniscient and omnipotent creator God now relies on ordinary humans to write his message in books?

No wonder xtian dominated sub-saharan africa is the most advanced region in Africa,even more than the Muslim north africa,and all the places xtian missionaries couldn't penetrate to like Japan and China and co are so backward.

Rossikk:


You are ignorant and brainwashed to the point of lunacy.

For your information, Africa is the birthplace of civilization.

Here are the words of your own colonial 'masters'. They know YOUR history far better than you do. Read and learn:


THE WORDS OF LADY LUGARD, Historian wife of Lord Lugard, Ist British Governor-General of Nigeria:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Africans) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt.

For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favourites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, (1900)

http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

You will always be a light to your generation. If only they know history.

Herdsmenson:
I've seen different Nigerians saying Africans would have been better without Christianity and white people inventions.

I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but a barbarians and some people would have been killing twins and sacrificing children without Christianity.

Millions of Africans would have been dead due to preventable sickness, if Christians didn't donate to Africa which they do daily, most of us would have been dead.

Internet, democracy, freedom, etc are things inspired by Christianity made by Christians.

I think these atheists that hate Christianity after studying some few books(made by Christians white people) now claim they are the smartest there is. It's written in the Bible how these generations of idiots will behave

Nonsense

BeLookingIDIOT:
No wonder xtian dominated sub-saharan africa is the most advanced region in Africa,even more than the Muslim north africa,and all the places xtian missionaries couldn't penetrate to like Japan and China and co are so backward.

I see what you did there

BeLookingIDIOT:
No wonder xtian dominated sub-saharan africa is the most advanced region in Africa,even more than the Muslim north africa,and all the places xtian missionaries couldn't penetrate to like Japan and China and co are so backward.

are you trying to be funny?

Dantedasz:


A God that created the world through magic under seven days was/is powerless to magically will his message of everlasting life to his creations so that they can avoid burning in the everlasting incinerator.
This omniscient and omnipotent creator God now relies on ordinary humans to write his message in books?

god works in mysterious ways

Rossikk:


You are ignorant and brainwashed to the point of lunacy.

For your information, Africa is the birthplace of civilization.

Here are the words of your own colonial 'masters'. They know YOUR history far better than you do. Read and learn:


THE WORDS OF LADY LUGARD, Historian wife of Lord Lugard, Ist British Governor-General of Nigeria:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Africans) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt.

For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favourites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, (1900)

http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

Africa isnt only tge birth place of civilization, it is also the death bed of civilization.
You think the fact Africa is relatively safe from natural disasters which helped us retain our mushroom civilization is now a viable launch pad for your delusional historical account? Keep daydreaming.

BeLookingIDIOT:
No wonder xtian dominated sub-saharan africa is the most advanced region in Africa,even more than the Muslim north africa,and all the places xtian missionaries couldn't penetrate to like Japan and China and co are so backward.

Japan and China copied what has been advanced by Christians. Subtract electricity alone from those nations and what you have left is voodoo.

Rossikk:
I guess the British burnt it down so that our people a hundred years down the line, would write - colonised to the hilt like the demented OP - that:

''I think we are ungrateful and stupid, we would have been nothing but barbarians without the white man and Christianity.''

TRAGIC.

Truth is we never advanced before the whites came and have remained stagnant ever since.

CodeTemplar:
Truth is we never advanced before the whites came and have remained stagnant ever since.

Apart from the "Wheel" and "Gunpowder", there isnt another invention of great global significance that originates outside of Africa.

Civilisation began in Africa before it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.

CodeTemplar:
Japan and China copied what has been advanced by Christians. Subtract electricity alone from those nations and what you have left is voodoo.

So just 200 years ago only "voodoo" existed .
They were advanced by Europeans,western Europeans exactly whose civilisation predates Christainity and was founded by pagans and includes a lot of things that are against christainity.There is no point affixing the xtian tag as if they got the formula from the bible.The same people also got what was advanced by other races.

CodeTemplar:
Japan and China copied what has been advanced by Christians.

That is proper nonsense.

China and Japan retained their technology because they held onto to their cultural identity.

They held onto to their language and all of their cultural identities.

As a matter of fact, the Europeans stole from the Eastern Asians on technology relating to gunpowder and war mongery.

Its from China that they came accross the ancient military Chinese documents written by "Sun Tzu"

It has nothing to does with Christianity.

The only thing the early Christians missionaries were good at was lying, spying, stealing, looting, and murder of the innocent.

All Abrahamic religions are fake, false and counterintuitive.