Daejoyoung:

Do you keep all 613 laws of God today? Are the laws of Moses perfect?

Moses gave laws as YAH commanded. You don't scream 613 laws! ...so that you will not keep any.

The 10 commandments on the other hand are for all. All creation is governed by these laws. And they did not begin with Moses. They began right from the foundation of the world with blessings for obeying and curses for breaking them.

Christianity has perfected the art of breaking YAH's commandments. It is payment time now.

donnie:


Grace and truth is to make us more like YAH, not to make us lawless.

Lawless in what way? Today we don't need the law to tell us not to kill, or sleep with our neighbours wife, if we do unto others what we want them to do unto us, we fulfill the law and make room to produce even better laws in the context of our time.

Daejoyoung:

Exactly, the law contains the everlasting principles of God, but some of it were for a particular place and time, some of it were limited, this is why the law alone though great, does not excite God as much as works of faith. You need the spirit of christ- the spirit of action in love and active faith to truly please God.

I laugh when Christians quote Paul. They neither know him, nor his writings.

Pauline Epistles VS False Christian doctrine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIGuWXWeyzQ

donnie:


Moses gave laws as YAH commanded. You don't scream 613 laws! ...so that you will not keep any.

The 10 commandments on the other hand are for all. All creation is governed by these laws. And they did not begin with Moses. They began right from the foundation of the world with blessings for obeying and curses for breaking them.

Christianity has perfected the art of breaking YAH's commandments. It is payment time now.

How is christianity breaking Yah's commandment?

Daejoyoung:

How is christianity breaking Yah's commandment?

Do you keep the Shabbat?

donnie:


I laugh when Christians quite Paul. They neither know him, nor his writings.

Pauline Epistles VS False Christian doctrine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIGuWXWeyzQ

Paul may have had his shortcomings but he was spot on here on his teachings about the law. Imagine Christians today stoning adulterers, killing gays, giving raped daughters to their rapists, etc. What a cruel world we would have been living in.
Face it man, the law is good( and even paul admits this), but the laws of Moses are not perfect.

Daejoyoung:

Paul may have had his shortcomings but he was spot on here. imagine Christians today stoning adulterers, killing gays, giving raped daughters to their rapists, etc. What a cruel world we would have been living in.
Face it man, the law is good( and even paul admits this), but the laws of Moses are not perfect.

Please engage me with scripture, not sentiments. I advice you watch that short video.

donnie:


Do you keep the Shabbat?

I still await your answer.

donnie:


Do you keep the Shabbat?

Yes of course, what was the purpose of the sabbath? lt isn't about the particular day( Saturday or Sunday)but about resting from your hard labour.

donnie:
WHAT DID THE SAVIOR SAY ABOUT THE COMMANDMENTS?
DID HE (YAHUSHA HAMASHIACH) CONTRADICT MOSES? DID HE DO AWAY WITH THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS...
EG. KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY?

Deuteronomy 4:5-10
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS...
SHALOM.

MuttleyLaff:
"Then Jesus declared,
“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
(i.e. The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people,
and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath)"
- Mark 2:27

Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness. The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act. Leave to us we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol

"Let no man disturb you about food or about drink or in the distinctions of feasts and beginnings of months and Sabbaths,
(i.e. Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days)"
- Colossians 2:16

"And after the sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."
- Matthew 28:1

Now, my two beloved, lovingly dear loggerhead with each other brothers shadeyinka and blueAgent, locking horns on the matter of when is Sabbath in regards to being Saturday, Sunday or whatever day, let me draw an image to conjure up a picture in your minds to illustrate, whats going on here. I remember, when young and growing up as a child or kid, lights out was 9pm or 21:00 hours. This means, whether, I feel like it or not, whether I want to or not, it meant it was bedtime. It was not open to discussion, no debates, no arguments, it just was not negotiable other than I have to be in bed by 9pm or 21:00 hours, BUT, lol, when I finally came of age, when I transitioned from childhood to adulthood, when I have developed completely and reached maturity, I didnt necessarily have to stick to that 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime seemingly unarbitrary order, lol.

The 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order, lol, was made for me and my siblings, not my siblings and I for the 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order. It was a laid down rule, set there for our needs, not us for its needs. Our needs, like for example, to refreshen our tired bodies, you of course, know when we were kids, how full of beans and/or energy we are, growing up, jumping up here and there, rolling and runnning up all over the place, tumbling down the hill etcetera.

The long and short of the nolstagic story, is that, now that we are grown, now that we've matured in sense, wisdom and become disciplined. sometimes we go to bed before 9pm or 21:00 hours, after 9pm or 21:00 hours, at 9pm or 21:00 hours and surprisingly, maybe with lights on, lol. The reality now, is that the hard and fast rule is no more there. At my age, it is now flexible, is what Colossians 2:16 above is saying, and no man can judge me for when and how I choose to have my rest (i.e. sabbath)

By the way, the plural sabbath in Colossians 2:16 and Matthew 28:1 above, this particularly serving as a fao of another brother, going by the moniker name donnie, is not talking about the seventh day rest but all days of rest which includes the seventh day (i.e. Saturday). There are sabbaths that dont fall on the Saturday, but actually do fall during the week and/or in mid week, lol.

What are we saying here, what is the point made here, lol brethren blueAgent, shadeyinka and my dear pleasing and warm-hearted donnie, lol , it is that the time is coming, indeed it’s here now, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship Him that way, lol (i.e. John 4:23) For God has qualified us and made us competent as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, lol (i.e. 2 Corinthians 3:6)

Another quick one, before I close on this. I confidently am sure, each one of you knows about the implication of double solid white lines on our roads, lol. You know about obeying the letter of the double solid white lines law behind it, lol. What of, when to obey the spirit of the double solid white lines law, lol?

As a rule of thumb, I simply don't tell people what to think, I let and/or leave them to think and/or see things out for themselves, lol. I beam a high powered torchlight out for them to see things, the subject, its shape, the intricate body outlines etcetera, what's under the bonnet, whats in the boot, what in the engine, lol by themselves. The time is now, if ever there is a time, to rightly divided the Word of truth. There is no better time than right now for the truth to prevail. It's just heart breaking to watch and see that the light of the truth, can be harsh to those that have been far too long in the dark. Smh, brings mist to my eyes, all this. There are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates, sheds light upon something for people to clearly see and the glare that obscures because people squint and shut their eyes, as the truth is too harsh for their eyes to see with, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Noah, Abraham, Jacob and the ancient World all knew God's law. About commandments that have been existing since the beginning of the World, that Apostle John confirms has been existing from the beginning.

The law of aerodynamics has been existing since the beginning of the world. When the Wright brothers took advantage of this law, it defied, nullified, made inoperative and made it look useless, another law that says, what goes up, must come crashily down.

Without proof-texting with 2 John 1:6, like you've attempted to do, let it be known that, if you know love, if you understand what love is, if you love yourself. You would rest and not work to the full, all out and flat out until drop dead.

Maximus69, is coaxing and corralling you, but despite all that, you're headstrong and obstinate to the extent of digging in your heels to not bulge.

Let me ask you these questions:
1/ Do you flick on the electric switches in your home providing electricity coming from the national grid and managed or supplied by the local Electricity Distribution Company (DISCO), hmm?
2/ Have you considered that if you believe Saturday is Sabbath, and so is a sin to work on that day, then you're complicit in breaking the Sabbath through your making use of electricity generated by another working on Saturday, erhn?

PS: donnie, my profoundest apologies, please forgive me if you had thought I had abandoned the dinning table, we both, were breaking and sharing bread on. The truth of the matter is I havent but it got caught left on the back burner along with two to threads other threads linked with you and subjects that you are passionate about. I am frantically doing catching with those your 2-3 threads in addition to around another other 2-3 threads of other interlocutors. I kept seeing your rear lights ahead of in the distant, I just smh thinking to myself, I need push foot on the pedal and try to catch up with you. I couldnt take the lagging behind anymore, especially seeing you firing on full cylinders, I just had to pull myself away, to come to interject the above, lol

I promise it would be worth your patience and waiting while, when I do get back to you on the unfinished 2-3 threads. I have quite a few startling and/or remarkable info in each 2-3 of the threads, I'll be advancing and/or sharing, lol

Please, donnie carefully and thoughfully go over two reproduced posts of mine brought here from another thread, as the content are relevant to the subject matter here, and also may I have your answer to the two above easy, simple, striaghtforward and direct questions. Thank you

Daejoyoung:

Yes of course, what was the purpose of the sabbath? lt isn't about the day, but about resting from your hard labour.

Kindly explain. So YAH was stupid when he rested on the 7th day after creation and hallowed it?

MuttleyLaff:







PS: donnie, my profoundest apologies, please forgive me if you had thought I had abandoned the dinning table we were breaking and sharing bread on. The truth of the matter is I havent but it got caught left on the back burner along with two to threads other threads linked with you and subjects that you are passionate about. I am frantically doing catching with those your 2-3 threads in addition to around another other 2-3 threads of other interlocutors. I kept seeing your rear lights ahead of in the distant, I just smh thinking to myself, I need push foot on the pedal and try to catch up with you. I couldnt take the lagging behind anymore, especially seeing you firing on full cylinders, I just had to pull myself away, to come to interject the above, lol

I promise it would be worth your patience and waiting while, when I do get back to you on the unfinished 2-3 threads.

Please, donnie carefully and thoughfully go over two reproduced posts of mine brought here from another thread, as the content are relevant to the subject matter here, and also may I have your answer to the two above easy, simple, striaghtforward and direct questions. Thank you

I sincerely wish it wasn't that lengthy. But just in case it has anything to do with trivializing the 7th day rest, it's wrong brother.

donnie:
Kindly explain. So YAH was stupid when he rested on the 7th day after creation and hallowed it?

Read above, the answer and/or explanation is covered in there, lol

It's just a simple commandment. The only reason we fight it is because of what the BEAST (Rome) did changing YAH's laws. And they agree they changed it. They say it is their sign/ mark of Authority on the Earth.

But YAH says,
Exodus 31:13
"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am YAHUAH that doth sanctify you."

Our forefathers suffered and were killed by the Roman church and several other authorities for insisting on Keeping the Shabbat. Let their blood no more be in vein.

#AwakeOIsrael

donnie:
I sincerely wish it wasn't that lengthy. But just in case it has anything to do with trivializing the 7th day rest, it's wrong brother.

donnie, forgive me, sorry, but we all know that, lies gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on, so said Winston Churchill. It's just a matter of, extraordinary lies, require extraordinary garrulous write-ups to counter the extraordinary lies

Mind you, no offence intended, just that, a lie, up there is to be taking to mean, it is an assertion that is believed to be false

MuttleyLaff:
Read above, the answer and/or explanation is covered in there, lol

you

donnie:


Please engage me with scripture, not sentiments. I advice you watch that short video.

ok so.l watched a bit of it, and yes Paul was not anti law, but he believed the law was not the ultimate, for paul the law is good and holy, but there is something bigger than the law which is christ, l believe l'm interpreting paul correctly here, if you think l am not, then you can summarise the message of the video here.

donnie:


Kindly explain. So YAH was stupid when he rested on the 7th day after creation and hallowed it?

My man, 7th day is whatever you decide it to be. lf in my culture, we decide that in our calendar, Monday is the first day and Sunday the 7th day, do you sincerely think God would make a fuss about that? like really? Oh come on.
l think you occupy yourself too much with petty things.

donnie:
It's just a simple commandment. The only reason we fight it is because of what the BEAST (Rome) did changing YAH's laws. And they agree they changed it. They say it is their sign/ mark of Authority on the Earth.

donnie, please let's not resort to obfuscation.
1/ What is it, really do you mean by "Authority"?
2/ What biblical references are you basing "sign/ mark of Authority on the Earth" on, hmm?

Also, if you want to advance that Rome is the beast, which I havent much of a qualms about, then who and/or what is the second beast donnie, hmm?

donnie:
But YAH says,
Exodus 31:13, "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you."

Our forefathers suffered and we're killed by the Roman church and several other authorities for insisting on Keeping the Shabbat. Let their blood no more be in vein.

#AwakeOIsrael

donnie, with all due respects, you keep banding about and waving Exodus 31:13 in peoples' faces. I have the following question, I asked you in one of the 2-3 unfinished threads, I have posted yet, so I think good to jump the queue and definitely ask the question here, which is:
1/ How many sabbaths do you to your understanding know of?
2/ Please are you able to list these sabbaths' name? If yes what are they?
3/ Did Jesus partake of any Passover meal, just before He was arrested?
4/ How many sabbaths were there, between the the run up to Jesus' arrest and up to the day He resurrected?

Daejoyoung:

My man 7th day is whatever you decide it to be. lf in my culture, we decide that in our calendar, Monday is the first day and Sunday the 7th day, do you sincerely think God would make a fuss about that? like really? Oh come on.

What he wrote on a tablets of stone and people died for, He does not give a fuss about? And you wonder how we arrived where we are today, to the point that it's hard to believe we are actually the people of the book? The law is our identity, what separates us from the world. There remains a curse for breaking the laws of YAH.

Little things like this are what overturn kingdoms. Simple obedience. Is it not just a little virus that has put the whole world on lockdown?

I have borne witness, and you have made your choice.

Ezekiel 22:26
The priests of Israel ignore my Law! Not only do they refuse to respect any of my sacred things, but they don't even teach the difference between what is sacred and what is ordinary or between what is clean and what is unclean. They treat my Sabbath like any other day, and so my own people no longer honor me.

MuttleyLaff:
donnie, please lets not resort to obfuscation. What is it, really do you mean by "Authority"? . What biblical references are you basing "sign/ mark of Authority on the Earth"?

If you want to advance that Rome is the beast, which I havent much of a qualms about, then who and/or what is the second beast donnie, hmm?

donnie, with all due respects, you keep banding about and waving Exodus 31:13 in peoples' faces. I have the following question, I asked you in one of the 2-3 unfinished threads, I have posted yet, so I think good to jump the queue and definitely ask the question here, which is:
1/ How many sabbaths do you to your understanding know of?
2/ Please are you able to list these sabbaths' name? If yes what are they?
3/ Did Jesus partake of any Passover meal, just before He was arrested?
4/ How many sabbaths were there, between the the run up to Jesus' arrest and up to the day He resurrected?

YAHUSHA kept the shabbat -Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21.

YAHUSHA kept the Feast of Passover -John 2:23.

YAHUSHA kept the Feast of tabernacles John 7:2-10.

YAHUSHA Kept the Passover with his disciples Luke 22:7-19 and so on.

And his disciples continued after he left because they were the people of YAH and feared YAHUAH.

donnie:


What he wrote on a tablets of stone and people died for, He does not give a fuss about? And you wonder how we arrived where we are today, to the point that it's hard to believe we are actually the people of the book? The law is our identity, what separates us from the world. There remains a curse for breaking the laws of YAH.

Little things like this are what overturn kingdoms. Simple obedience. Is it not just a little virus that has put the whole world on lockdown?

I have borne witness, and you have made your choice.

Ezekiel 22:26
The priests of Israel ignore my Law! Not only do they refuse to respect any of my sacred things, but they don't even teach the difference between what is sacred and what is ordinary or between what is clean and what is unclean. They treat my Sabbath like any other day, and so my own people no longer honor me.

lf in my society or village, our own 7th day in our calendar is sunday and we decide to dedicate sunday to the lord, are we thereby profaning the sabbath? is that what you believe?

donnie:
you

Donnie, wait nah. Wait for me getting to your 2-3 threads I left on the back burners, lol.

donnie:
YAHUSHA kept the shabbat -Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21.

YAHUSHA kept the Feast of Passover -John 2:23.

YAHUSHA kept the Feast of tabernacles John 7:2-10.

YAHUSHA Kept the Passover with his disciples Luke 22:7-19 and so on.

And his disciples continued after he left because they were the people of YAH and feared YAHUAH

donnie, is it too much to do and/or difficult for you ni, to give your answers back, in the same format and same numbered order, the questions were asked no?

It is way people are evasive or trying to dodge that they employ that tactic. We are all on this to learn from each other, so let's pack in playing funny and unhelpful games, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
donnie, please lets not resort to obfuscation. What is it, really do you mean by "Authority"? . What biblical references are you basing "sign/ mark of Authority on the Earth"?

I am telling you what the RCC says. I'm not quoting scripture. It's even in thier catechism.

Christianity is all about Sun worship.

donnie:
I am telling you what the RCC says. I'm not quoting scripture. It's even in thier catechism.

Christianity is all about Sun worship.

You are preaching to the choir. Let's stick to the scripture and leave RCC and their catechism for now with LAWMA.

The question about the other beast, is still unanswered, lol, by you. It was hotting, like being on fire, when I was just watching and reading in the back, but could get in on your threads, then I saw you open another thread that I thought to myself, look man, just jump before everything get swamped and buried under, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
The question about the other beast, is still unanswered, lol, by you. It was hotting, like being on fire, when I was just watching and reading in the back, but could get in on your threads, then I saw you open another thread that I thought to myself, look man, just jump before everything get swamped and buried under, lol.

What question is that... From you?

Daejoyoung:

lf in my society or village, our own 7th day in our calendar is sunday and we decide to dedicate sunday to the lord, are we thereby profaning the sabbath? is that what you believe?

What village? That's why I insist that what we have is an identity crisis, we don't even know who we are. Did your forefathers pop out of the ground or they migrated down there. From where did they come? Answer me?

And 7th day is 7th day. It cannot be Sunday. The world knows what day it is, whichever calendar you are using. YAH sees the heart. He can differentiate between pride and humility.

You did not argue against Sunday, Christmas or Easter or try to change the dates even though they are pagan feats. You quietly and joyfully observe them. But you argue and play smart when it comes to YAH's laws. At least you can see why we cry judgement in YAH's name. He has graciously shown me his thoughts.

YAH is merciful but also a fearful ELOHIYM.

donnie:
What question is that... From you?

donnie, please, like I at first advised, go back to my first two reproduced mentioned pasted above. Carefully read and thoughtfully follow them through. Dont be put off by long posts

You mentioned that Rome was the beast. Fair enough, I then asked you, who and what is the second beast. I also advised against obfuscation s, meaning what did you mean by Authority and what biblical references were you basing it on, lol. Scroll up nah, you couldn't have missed them, lol

Even the separate other #1 &#2 questions about electricity, you didn't answer, lol

PS: Are you conversant with the law of liberty, hmm donnie, lol?

MuttleyLaff:
donnie, please, like I at first advised, go back to my first two reproduced mentioned pasted above. Carefully read and thoughtfully follow them through. Dont be put off by long posts

You mentioned that Rome was the beast. Fair enough, I then asked you, who and what is the second beast. I also advised against obfuscation s, meaning what did you mean by Authority and what biblical references were you basing it on, lol. Scroll up nah, you couldn't have missed them, lol

PS: Are you conversant with the law of liberty, hmm donnie, lol?

Did I mention what Beast Rome was? Well I was referring to the 4th Beast. While some posit that Rome is the forth Beast of Daniel 7, others say it's the US.

Well I'd say both are currect 'cos the US is modern Rome/ Egypt/ Babylon.

And yes I know the law of liberty.

donnie:
Did I mention what Beast Rome was? Well I was referring to the 4th Beast. While some posit that Rome is the forth Beast of Revelation, others say it's the US.


Well I'd say both are currect 'cos the US is modern Rome/ Egypt/ Babylon.

And yes I know the law of liberty.

Never mind as I said, Let's leave all that for LAWMA, lol.

OK, what about the electricity questions asked you.

Of course, I expect you'll know of the law of liberty nah, lol, but what of its application donnie, lol, how is it applied? How strong is this law? When was it instituted? Has it always being there, just as the law of aerodynamics had been, before taken advantage of, by the Wright brothers, lol, hmm?

donnie, oh donnie, I have an arsenal of questions, I have a thousand and one questions to roll out and ask you, but at this rate of you dodging, ducking and diving questions, I dont think you can keep up mehn, lol, especially when those on the ground arent properly and in order answered yet, lol. Smh. Too many questions mehn, lol, and thinking of them right now, just makes me lol, to myself.

MuttleyLaff:
Never mind as I said, Let's leave all that for LAWMA, lol.

OK, what about the electricity questions asked you.

Of course, I expect you'll know of the law of liberty nah, lol, but what of its application donnie, lol, how is it applied? How strong is this law? When was it instituted? Has it always being there, just as the law of aerodynamics had been, before taken advantage of, by the Wright brothers, lol, hmm?

Perhaps you should try proving how your law of liberty faults my position using scriptures. I live by that same law of liberty if you must know. But I uphold the law and commandments of YAH.

I'm waiting for the questions. Endeavour to put forth your arguments for or against clearly.