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| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by bashydemy(m): 3:42pm On Nov 29, 2010 |
we all know that the founder of xtainity is Paul not Jesus definately the religion is not from God and some people said xtainity is not a religion is just the way we live our daily life |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by seyibrown(f): 4:51pm On Nov 29, 2010 |
Ever heard of 'PAULIANITY'? I heard Paul is their SAVIOUR and they ask God in the name of 'PAUL'!  Now, that doesn't sound like CHRISTIANITY where CHRIST is Saviour and they ask God in the name of JESUS CHRIST! |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by bashydemy(m): 6:00pm On Nov 29, 2010 |
and have you ever heard of Muhamadlam? its Islam and do you believe or know that Christianity begin after the death of Jesus and that was by paul or maybe you can tell me the origin of Xtainity pls |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by DevotedOne(m): 7:28pm On Nov 29, 2010 |
[Quote]silami (m) 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God « on: Yesterday at 11:10:24 PM » 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God[/Quote] Reason #1: Islam cannot be from God because the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, did not pass God's first test for a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 tells us that God will authenticate those He sends as a prophet by having them perform signs. Muhammad gave no sign as required by God. Make up your mind pharisee. Is truth, Truth? A wicked and adulterous generetion seeketh after a sign, but, , sign of Prophet Jonah. Matthew 16: What if the thing comes about centuries later, like in our present times? Many of the facts (signs if you want to call them so), spoken of in Al-Qur'an are only now being realized, in science, for example. Al hamdulillah. The One GOD of Islam, Is The Praiseworthy, The Unconquerable, The Most Merciful of those who give mercy, and is the same GOD, of previous Scriptures. The fact that you do not recognize the language that is spoken is no proof that it concerns other gods. You have spoken an untruth. Reason #2: Islam cannot be from God because Muhammad's teaching does not pass the second test God gave for a prophet. Deuteronomy 13:1-4 tells us that no prophet will bring a revelation that is in conflict with previous revelation. His revelation must agree with the previous revelation of God. Deuteronomy 13:1-4 That's easy. Just stop changing previous religious books, trying to make them better! [Quote]What a contrast. Jesus says to love, forgive, and pray for your enemies. The Qur’an says to kill them. If that isn’t a different doctrine than what was revealed, nothing is.[/Quote] Is this not christians killing [B]peaceful Muslims?[/B] Where, is the love? Seems like the "Crusades" starting over again! Caution: these pictures are [U]very graphic[/U]! Reason #3: Islam cannot be from God because it denies the Godhood of Jesus. In the Qur’an, Muhammad takes great pains to deny the deity of Jesus. It demeans Jesus and makes him just a man. In Philippians, Paul asserts that Jesus existed in the form of God. Let's stop being foolish! It is one thing to have The All-Knowing, The Almighty, The Only GOD, overshadow one of HIS, servants and speak through Him, Jesus, PBUH and quite another thing to do the impossible, and beat, and execute, The Eternal GOD. I'm not so silly as to believe such non-sense. Reason #4: Islam cannot be from God because Muhammad frequently changed his revelations to suit circumstances. The classic example is Muhammad’s teaching on drinking. When he was just beginning to teach, before Muhammad gained a significant following he said that it was alright to drink. All that I can find in the verses you've posted is the handiwork of The All Merciful, Most Compassionate GOD, whom raises HIS, servants in stages; Blessed Is HE, Forevermore. Reason #5: Islam cannot be from God because its appeal is to man's lower nature rather than his higher nature. Compare the Biblical appeal of heaven to the Quranic appeal of heaven. I get the distinct impression that you don't know even your own religious books. You need to stop this foolishness. But believe me, this flesh of ours shall be so purified that it shall not possess a single property of those which now it has; seeing that it shall be purged of every evil desire, and God shall reduce it to such a condition as was Adam's before he sinned. Two men serve one master in one and the same work. The one alone sees the work, and gives orders to the second, and the second performs all that the first commands. Seems it just to you, I say, that the master should reward only him who sees and commands, and should cast out of his house him who wearied himself in the work? Surely not. How then shall the justice of God bear this? The soul and the body with sense of man serve God: the soul only sees and commands the service, because the soul, eating no bread, fasts not, [the soul] walks not, feels not cold and heat, falls not sick, and is not slain, because the soul is immortal: it suffers not any of those corporal pains which the body suffers at the instance of the elements. Is it, then, just, I say, that the soul alone should go into [B]paradise[/B], and not the body, which has wearied itself so much in serving God?" Peter answered: "O master, the body, having caused the soul to sin, ought not to be placed in paradise. Jesus answered: "Now how shall the body sin without the soul? Assuredly it is impossible. Therefore, in taking away God's mercy from the body, you condemns the soul to hell." Chapter 173 Gospel of Barnabas |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by vedaxcool(m): 9:19am On Nov 30, 2010 |
firebrand: It is very bad making an Ignoramus feel wise in any little way, With all the Miracles Jesus performed, the jews did not accept and are still rejecting him, the Jews were his primary constituent, not you gentiles that he reffered to as dogs, more importantly you seem to have a knack for re4peating yourself, This are simply what I said: 1. Jesus calls those who seek after Miracles as Evil and adultrous Generation, meaning people like you that signs to believe in Mircle in order to accept God. What a pity! 2. For the mere fact that in other religions there are all sort of tales of people performing Miracles puts this criteria at risk , the Question is would you accept say a hindu Priest who performs miracles or a witch doctor who performs miracles. I only hope you will be honest enough to call them Prophets by your standards 3. In my fisrt response I quoted an instance where the Prophet Performed Miracle, yet you were too blind to to see it due to your desperate bid to tarnish Islam: vedaxcool: |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by bashydemy(m): 11:08am On Nov 30, 2010 |
^^ well you should have know the like of them bro where is Almuhandis,Kola Oloye, Olaadegu tonye-T and co they all run away from the truth cos they cannot face the truth so am giving them a week ultimatum you wont see them on this thread again shior |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by firebrand: 11:45am On Nov 30, 2010 |
@vedaxcool It is disgusting when the so called religious people resorts to name calling. Pls we can avoid abusive and derogatory language here as I see no reason for that. Words like fools. blind, idiot etc can be done away with on a platform like this. Thanks. For the sake of enlightenment, miracles received can not take the receipient to to heaven, it is the salvation of your soul that guarantees your place with God. The miracles performed by prophets of old were not demanded for like people of christ time demanded from him. They were moved by the spirit of God to act at that appropriate time and God confirm himself in their midst. Jesus once said "without signs and wonders people would not belief", and for this purpose he performed miracles on his own accord and not under compulsion to do it. I personally dont need to seek signs and wonders again for me to belief God. There are abundant miracles recorded in the scripture that affirms the existence of God which is sufficient for my faith. There can not be a counterfeit without the existence of the original. The fact that some magicians are doing something that look like miracles does not make it miracle. That is why we are forewarned to try every spirit whether they are fom God, and every spirit that does not confess christ as Lord is not from God. An event recorced in the hadith, I presume is not superior to the the one recorded in the quran. Why the ommission in the quran, and miracles of a prophet of Muhammed's magnitude shouldnt be scanty to locate. Just my own feelings anyway. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by cadanre(m): 1:56pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
I will read and reply to this when I go for my annual leave. That is only when I will have time to read such a long story. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by vedaxcool(m): 2:49pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
Like I said never make an Ignoramous feel wise least he think he is the most Knowledgeable. More on Miracles of prophet Muhammad Pbuh God Is Doing Everything* [8:17] It was not you who slay them; GOD is the One who slay them. It was not you who threw(Dust) when you threw; GOD is the One who threw. But He thus gives the believers a chance to earn a lot of credit. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient. [8:18] Additionally, GOD thus nullifies the schemes of the disbelievers. [8:19] You sought victory (O disbelievers), and victory did come; it belonged to the believers. If you refrain (from aggression) it would be better for you, but if you return, so will we. Your armies will never help you, no matter how great. For GOD is on the side of the believers. [8:20] O you who believe, obey GOD and His messenger, and do not disregard him while you hear. The Bolded part refers to battle of badr, when the Prophet Pbuh threw dust and God made it Miracluosly reach the Pagans of Mecca. Again Jesus said: An evil and adultrous generation seeketh after a sign, and the Qur'an say they are the Dumb, deaf and Blind, they can never return to the part, let me leave the evil and adultrous ones, since they are blind. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by seyibrown(f): 3:16pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
DevotedOne: This Wikileaks footage shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Elden and her driver Saeed Chmagh being shot at by the Apache. The attack occurred in a public square in Baghdad and they were assumed to be militants. After the initial shooting, a minivan full of adults and children drove into the square and were fired upon as well. The US military listed the adults as militants and claimed they did not know how the deaths occurred. Caption of video: This Wikileaks footage shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Elden and her driver Saeed Chmagh being shot at by the Apache. The attack occurred in a public square in Baghdad and they were assumed to be militants. After the initial shooting, a minivan full of adults and children drove into the square and were fired upon as well. The US military listed the adults as militants and claimed they did not know how the deaths occurred. DevotedOne, I am not sure if you did not read the caption below the video you posted or could not understand or interpret what you read! Since when did the US Military carry out their operations in IN THE NAME OF CHRIST? I thought you were gonna show a video of CHRISTIANS killing PEACEFUL MUSLIMS! That was the US MILITARY shooting at 'alleged' MILITANTS! Please, watch this video and interpret in your own words: http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2025 Thnaks in advance. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by vedaxcool(m): 3:56pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
^^^^ "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it(Reminds one of suicide bombers, who are willing to lose their life for their cause)." (Matthew 10:34-39) " 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51[size=18pt] Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.[/size] (Luke 12:49-53) f anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26) Why all this threats? Waiting for the Double- speaking Clowns to rush and Parabulize it,Lol! |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by seyibrown(f): 4:55pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it(Reminds one of suicide bombers, who are willing to lose their life for their cause)." (Matthew 10:34-39) . . . . and please, show me where Jesus taught his disciples/ followers to: (a) go blow people up for Christ (b) go out in droves and slaughter non-christians (c) cut the heads of Christians who have converted to another religion (d) hate non-christians (e) preach and incite hatred of non- christians! I have already posted a response correctly interpreting your misinterpretation of the scripture 'do not think I have come to grant peace on earth' in the right context . Please go back and read it. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by vedaxcool(m): 6:16pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
Reason #3: Islam cannot be from God because it denies the Godhood of Jesus. In the Qur’an, Muhammad takes great pains to deny the deity of Jesus. It demeans Jesus and makes him just a man. In Philippians, Paul asserts that Jesus existed in the form of God. Very Funny, you remind me of basket mouth in Night of a 1000 laugh. On a serious note, Muhammad did not take great pains to deny the deity of Jesus as he is not the author of the qur'an, neither is refuting the godship of Jesus important in the Qur'an, as ALLAH took Great pains to assert the singularity of his devineness. Even the old testament does not even support the godship or sonship or even trinityship of Jesus, there is no basis in the Old testament, that means this doctrine is in contradition to the old testament. who is Paul self, no be the same Paul that hated Jesus so much? That you are now quoting, did Paul ever reconciled with Jesus? N o instead Paul contradicted Jesus at every Junction: Paul says: Rom.3 [24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, [28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. Rom.5 [9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Jesus says: Matt.12 [37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. seyibrown: HehHEHEHEHHEHEh, Did you read with your eyes closed? All the threat that he did not come to bring peace but a sword is what to you? Again he said he came to create dishormony between son and father, daughter and mother, etc eluded your sight? Your hypocrisy is suffering your credibility. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by Ismail0071(m): 6:39pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
d guy is surely a daftie. a nincompoop. pretty stupid. d idiot fail to produce evidence. just cooked up some trash. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by Nobody: 7:26pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
And keep thy soul content with those who call on their Lord morning and evening, seeking His Face; and let not thine eyes pass beyond them, seeking the pomp and glitter of this Life; nor obey any whose heart We have permitted to neglect the remembrance of Us, one who follows his own desires, whose case has gone beyond all bounds. (QURA'AN18:28)  |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by DevotedOne(m): 8:29pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
[Center]Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. In The Name of GOD, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaikum, The peace be upon you, everyone.[/Center] [Quote]Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God « #41 on: Today at 03:16:18 PM » DevotedOne: Caption of video: Quote This Wikileaks footage shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Elden and her driver Saeed Chmagh being shot at by the Apache. The attack occurred in a public square in Baghdad and they were assumed to be militants. After the initial shooting, a minivan full of adults and children drove into the square and were fired upon as well. The US military listed the adults as militants and claimed they did not know how the deaths occurred.[/Quote] [Quote]DevotedOne, I am not sure if you did not read the caption below the video you posted or could not understand or interpret what you read! Since when did the US Military carry out their operations in IN THE NAME OF CHRIST? I thought you were gonna show a video of CHRISTIANS killing PEACEFUL MUSLIMS! That was the US MILITARY shooting at 'alleged' MILITANTS! Please, watch this video and interpret in your own words: http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2025 Thnaks in advance.[/Quote] seyibrown In the link that you have provided, I did not learn of the charge against the one executed, so it is difficult to discern whether justice is being served, or, if the executioners are truly Muslim. It is even difficult to tell if the event is real, or, a deception. What is the name of the one executed? Regarding the link that I provided: You possibly, saw what I saw. But, in what way were they militants? I saw one or two people in the background (they were not attacked, according to what I saw) carrying what appeared to be rifles. The others were not armed with weapons. Two of the men carried cameras, on shoulder harnesses. They are clearly identified in the pictures. The cameras were falsely identified as RPG's or, rocket propelled grenades. These people are innocents. Not only that, they are peaceful Muslims too. Regarding the question of whether or not they were killed by Christians, I searched for a little information concerning the religious composition of America and I was not surprised to find that 76% of Americans refer to themselves as Christian. So whom shall I blame? Are you saying that there was Iraqi's, shooting from the two Apache helicopter's? I didn't detect any foreign accents in those video's (the shooting at the Van, in the other video). The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians, mostly within Protestant and Catholic denominations, accounting for 51% and 25% of the population respectively.[3] Non-Christian religions (including Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism), collectively make up about 3.9% to 5.5% of the adult population.[3][4][5] Another 15% of the adult population identifies as having no religious belief or no religious affiliation.[3] When asked, about 5.2% said they did not know, or refused to reply.[3] According to the American Religious Identification Survey, religious belief varies considerably across the country: 59% of Americans living in Western states (the "Unchurched Belt"  report a belief in God, yet in the South (the "Bible Belt" the figure is as high as 86%.[3][6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States Religion in the United States http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/AmericanReligionSurvey-ARIS/reports/p1b_belief.html |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by Sweetnecta: 9:31pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
@OP: Surah Qamar (The Moon); Verse 1; The hour has come and the moon has been split. Who split the Moon? Muhammad (AS). Why? The Makkans asked him for it as a sign. Even this event was seen as far as a region of india. The Indian king who saw it, soon became Muslim. The Split had remain on the surface of the moon, though was brough together after it. Maybe the West or some christian space traveler[s] (Astronaut[s]), should land and core into the moon as deep as it can to proof to the present day, whether or not the crack was not more than a surface deep. This miracle is still present today. Unlike many if not all that other prophets performed, including your god, Jesus son of Mary. Tell me if his miracle survived till now? We have seen the picture of the crack on the moon surface. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by seyibrown(f): 9:51pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
bashy_demy: and have you ever heard of Muhamadlam? its Islam and do you believe or know that Christianity begin after the death of Jesus and that was by paul or maybe you can tell me the origin of Xtainity pls Exactly . . . . but when I point out that I am a CHRISTIAN (follower of Christ), most opposers of christianity insist that I should practice and be bound by JUDAISM and not CHRISTIANITY! Why should I want to go back to the 'Law of sin and death' when the path has been cleared to the 'Law of Spirit of Life' in Christ! CHRISTIANITY originated from CHRIST, not PAUL! Paul was a follower of Jesus Christ who passed on instructions, guidance and encouragement as given by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus said would come when he had gone; PAUL IS NOT THE CHRIST, JESUS IS! |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by Sweetnecta: 11:32pm On Nov 30, 2010 |
@Seyibrown: Borrowing somebody's name as your own, or someone called you the name of somebody else, or mislabeled you as someone else, is not a ground for claiming the name for yourself. If Jesus was the founder of a religion, he would have so named the religion while on earth. Neither Jesus nor Moses was a Jew by religion and Jesus was not a christian by religion either. Neither of them practiced a religion other than what Abraham practiced. And Abraham practiced the same religion as Noah, who practiced the same religion as Enoch, who practiced the same religion as Adam and Eve, which allowed personal seeking of forgiveness and repentance from sin, directly fro God, without intermediary, or killing of a human being, definitely not even the one forced to hang. Fake hanging I say. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by bashydemy(m): 12:48am On Dec 01, 2010 |
seyibrown:Hey wait are you talking of the same Paul that hate Jesus during his life time? is Jesus Christ a christian during his life time with proof pls |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by seyibrown(f): 2:32am On Dec 01, 2010 |
Na wa o! JESUS is CHRIST; his FOLLOWERS are called CHRISTIANS because they believe in him and follow his teachings!Jesus showed his followers how to have a relationship with the father and his followers live by his teachings! |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by silami(m): 5:46am On Dec 01, 2010 |
You guys believe falsehood and i mange to bring up 7 of them. But these claims are not true even though all these claims are Orthodox Islam. These 7 claims are listed here: 1 The Koran is Allah’s infallible word replacing the Bible, which is now corrupted and is unreliable. 2 Allah is the only god there is: there is no Trinity (God the Father, The Holy Spirit and The Son). 3 Muhammad is Allah’s final and perfect Prophet. 4 Jesus is a Muslim Prophet. He is not God and not “The Savior” 5 The Temple Mount and Jerusalem is the property of Allah, not the Jews. 6 Islam is a religion of love and perfection. 7 Islam is a religion of peace and justice.  Islam, also, has the hope of a messiah returning to this world to set up a worldwide Islamic Empire. This Muslim Messiah (The Mahdi) will cause all humans to worship Allah, and will rule the world in justice and equity. Their “Jesus” will be lower then the Mahdi and will help the Mahdi setup the Islamic Empire. The Mahdi will come to the earth during a major war; this is why the present Iran leadership wants to start a nuclear exchange: it will bring in the Muslim Messiah. So, for Iran, it’s a win/win situation: whoever starts the nuclear exchange, their Messiah will come in the thick of it to defend Iran and destroy Iran’s enemies. This is why Iran (Ahmadinejad) doesn’t give a fig about how the rest of the world looks on their nuclear goals. |
| Re: 10 Reasons Islam Is Not From God by Almuhandis: 1:16am On Dec 07, 2010 |
| hmn I suspect this topic is a hard pill to swallow-I am curious as to why there was a deliberate attempt to strangulate this thread? |
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