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The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 9:12pm On Feb 01, 2020
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Narrated Anas:
That a man who had drunk wine was brought to the Prophet ( ﷺ ), so he beat him about forty times with two stalks of a palm tree. So Abu Bakr did similarly, and by the time 'Umar became Khalifah he sought council from the people. And 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf said: 'I see that the lightest penalty is eighty lashes,' so 'Umar ordered that.
Jami at-Tirmidhi 3:15:1443



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Narrated By Anas bin Malik
The Prophet beat a drunk with palm-leaf stalks and shoes. And Abu Bakr gave (such a sinner) forty lashes.
Sahih Bukhari 8:81:764

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Sahih Muslim Book 004, Hadith Number 2127.
Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a Hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'Aisha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain,...
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 10:15pm On Feb 10, 2020
The drunk man was being delt with according to the law of Allah. The messenger of Allah didn't flog him because had any issues with him or just for fun. The one who narrated that hadith is the same person you are quoting here to justify your misunderstanding infact that last hadith is not complete.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 11:39pm On Feb 10, 2020
najib632:

The drunk man was being delt with according to the law of Allah. The messenger of Allah didn't flog him because had any issues with him or just for fun. The one who narrated that hadith is the same person you are quoting here to justify your misunderstanding infact that last hadith is not complete.

The law of Allah was given in the Quran, the book of Allah.

Can you point to the place in the Quran where Allah said any one drunk should be beaten?

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 7:48am On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:


The law of Allah was given in the Quran, the book of Allah.

Can you point to the place in the Quran where Allah said any one drunk should be beaten?
Not everything is in the Qur'an especially matters of jurisprudence. Like, ablution and prayer, they were only mentioned in the Qur'an but not explained in detail, that's where hadith comes in. Any instruction in the Qur'an is the highest and unarguable one, while the hadith is scrutinised and the most authentic ones are chosen.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 11:18am On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
Not everything is in the Qur'an especially matters of jurisprudence. Like, ablution and prayer, they were only mentioned in the Qur'an but not explained in detail, that's where hadith comes in. Any instruction in the Qur'an is the highest and unarguable one, while the hadith is scrutinised and the most authentic ones are chosen.
You claim the law was given that anyone who drinks wine should be punished. I'm not asking you to give me the details of the beating. Just show me where in the Quran where the law was given that wine drinkers should be beaten. There's no law like that, Muhammad just beat the man with no law to back it up. Allah never gave him that command.

Muhammad innovated a lot of things that Allah never commanded. Muhammad refused to follow the commandment of Allah that asked Muhammad to pray 3 times daily but Muhammad chose to copy Zoroastrianism 5 times daily prayers and he copied how they performed ablution and the timing of their prayers.

So the conclusion is, Allah never asked Muhammad to flog those who drink wine, Allah only said you shouldn't pray when you're intoxicated/drunk, that you should hold on till after the wine has cleared off your eyes.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 12:33pm On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:
You claim the law was given that anyone who drinks wine should be punished. I'm not asking you to give me the details of the beating. Just show me where in the Quran where the law was given that wine drinkers should be beaten. There's no law like that, Muhammad just beat the man with no law to back it up. Allah never gave him that command.

Muhammad innovated a lot of things that Allah never commanded. Muhammad refused to follow the commandment of Allah that asked Muhammad to pray 3 times daily but Muhammad chose to copy Zoroastrianism 5 times daily prayers and he copied how they performed ablution and the timing of their prayers.

So the conclusion is, Allah never asked Muhammad to flog those who drink wine, Allah only said you shouldn't pray when you're intoxicated/drunk, that you should hold on till after the wine has cleared off your eyes.
I don't have your time any more.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 12:44pm On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
I don't have your time any more.
It's expected, your likes always run away when dazed with facts.
Ask Empiree, Crayfish09, Antichristian and the rest.

They ran away with their tails between their legs

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by AntiChristian: 12:46pm On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:
It's expected, your likes always run away when dazed with facts.
Ask Empiree, Crayfish09, Antichristian and the rest.

They ran away with their tails between their legs

Yeah we run from liars, perverts and filthy repetitive Christians like you!
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 12:49pm On Feb 11, 2020
AntiChristian:


Yeah we run from liars, perverts and filthy repetitive Christians like you!
grin

Truth is bitter.
Muhammad was the pervert that slept with a 9 year old Aisha

Muhammad was the liar that claimed that angel Gabriel appeared to him.

Muhammad was the filthy man that died on the top of a woman during sex.

Have you noticed that I quote from your Quran and authentic Hadiths cheesy

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 3:22pm On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:
It's expected, your likes always run away when dazed with facts.
Ask Empiree, Crayfish09, Antichristian and the rest.

They ran away with their tails between their legs
Hahaha. It's unfortunate that I no longer have a smart phone. You would have been either humbled or increased in confusion.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 3:36pm On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
Hahaha. It's unfortunate that I no longer have a smart phone. You would have been either humbled or increased in confusion.
So because you don't have smart phone means your brain is no longer smart?

Only a liar and a lazy person gives excuses. The fact that you have a phone that can access the internet means you're not limited to access any information you need. You're just looking for excuses.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 3:40pm On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:
So because you don't have smart phone means your brain is no longer smart?

Only a liar and a lazy person gives excuses. The fact that you have a phone that can access the internet means you're not limited to access any information you need. You're just looking for excuses.
Hahahaha, there are more important things to do with my time than to argue with a bias person.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by true2god: 3:55pm On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
Not everything is in the Qur'an especially matters of jurisprudence. Like, ablution and prayer, they were only mentioned in the Qur'an but not explained in detail, that's where hadith comes in. Any instruction in the Qur'an is the highest and unarguable one, while the hadith is scrutinised and the most authentic ones are chosen.
Can we then conclude that the quran is not detailed enough on religious matter.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 4:07pm On Feb 11, 2020
true2god:
Can we then conclude that the quran is not detailed enough on religious matter.
What's clear is and what isn't is not. That's why you have tafsir and that's why you must seek for knowledge so you wouldn't be misguided by extremism and lack of understanding.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 4:14pm On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
Hahahaha, there are more important things to do with my time than to argue with a bias person.
Then you shouldn't have started in the first place, you started before you realized that you picked the wrong person to argue with.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 4:17pm On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
What's clear is and what isn't is not. That's why you have tafsir and that's why you must seek for knowledge so you wouldn't be misguided by extremism and lack of understanding.
Tafsir that was written by those not present when the jinn was revealing the Quran to Muhammad, why did Allah need humans to help him explain his revelations.

Are you saying that Allah lied in the Quran when he said the Quran is a clear book, if Allah didn't lie, why do you need the Tafsir and Hadiths to understand the Quran

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 4:34pm On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:
Then you shouldn't have started in the first place, you started before you realized that you picked the wrong person to argue with.
yeah

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 4:36pm On Feb 11, 2020
advocatejare:

Tafsir that was written by those not present when the jinn was revealing the Quran to Muhammad, why did Allah need humans to help him explain his revelations.

Are you saying that Allah lied in the Quran when he said the Quran is a clear book, if Allah didn't lie, why do you need the Tafsir and Hadiths to understand the Quran
you really do lack a sound mind.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 9:22pm On Feb 11, 2020
najib632:
you really do lack a sound mind.
A pained follower of a pedophile, sex addict, demon possessed, filthy false prophet that died shamelessly on the top of a woman during sex.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 8:06am On Feb 12, 2020
advocatejare:
A pained follower of a pedophile, sex addict, demon possessed, filthy false prophet that died shamelessly on the top of a woman during sex.
This is a new one you guys are very creative.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by soohib(m): 11:53am On Feb 13, 2020
najib632:
you really do lack a sound mind.
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Surah An-Nahl, Verse 44

With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Quran), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought.


The above verses is what warrant tafseer (i.e. sayings and explanations of the Prophet SAW ) of Quran

May the Almighty God guide us to the right path.

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by najib632(m): 12:02pm On Feb 13, 2020
soohib:
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Surah An-Nahl, Verse 44

With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Quran), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought.


The above verses is what warrant tafseer (i.e. sayings and explanations of the Prophet SAW ) of Quran

May the Almighty God guide us to the right path.
Ameen, Jazaaka Allahu khairan. You shouldn't have bothered yourself. His likes will hold on to darkness no mater the amount of light surrounding them.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by soohib(m): 12:51pm On Feb 13, 2020
najib632:

Ameen, Jazaaka Allahu khairan. You shouldn't have bothered yourself. His likes will hold on to darkness no mater the amount of light surrounding them.
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Aameen Wa antum Fajazaakumullohu khoiran.

He may embrace Islam who knows, but I advice Advocatejare to stop using derogatory remarks if possible, try to reason deeply and read from the particular sources(i.e. Real Quran and Authentic Hadith) you do quote from extensively, rather than just quoting some selected and misquoted verses and Hadith.
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by TheApologist: 8:53am On Feb 17, 2020
but he killed aplenty

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by ChristianNorth: 8:22pm On Feb 27, 2020
So the Koran is not even complete. No wonder they are relying on hadiths

Antichristian there is nothing glorious about an incomplete manual compiled by a blood thirsty jihadist.

Don't forget that zayd personally begged Mohammed to permit him to join the jihadi army in order to avenge his dead parents
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by AntiChristian: 8:16am On Feb 28, 2020
ChristianNorth:
So the Koran is not even complete. No wonder they are relying on hadiths

Antichristian there is nothing glorious about an incomplete manual compiled by a blood thirsty jihadist.

Don't forget that zayd personally begged Mohammed to permit him to join the jihadi army in order to avenge his dead parents

If the Qur'an is not complete then I guess you can say your brain is not complete too!

All these falsehood you are peddling about will only project Islam bikudratillah!

Zayd is being prayed for by Millions of Muslims unlike any of your generations!
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by ChristianNorth: 8:27pm On Feb 28, 2020
AntiChristian:


If the Qur'an is not complete then I guess you can say your brain is not complete too!

All these falsehood you are peddling about will only project Islam bikudratillah!

Zayd is being prayed for by Millions of Muslims unlike any of your generations!
if Koran is complete there would have been no need for hadith. There are more hadith than total number of Moslems world wide

Zayd is the founder of modern Islam so we expect his ummah to pray for his lost soul

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by AntiChristian: 8:25am On Feb 29, 2020
ChristianNorth:
if Koran is complete there would have been no need for hadith. There are more hadith than total number of Moslems world wide

Zayd is the founder of modern Islam so we expect his ummah to pray for his lost soul

Not only Zayd and the other companions as well as the Prophets and other Muslims!

Qur'an is the word of Allah!

Hadith is the traditions of the Prophet!

One of the reason why Christianity can never be united is the lose of the founding tradition!
Anyone up there can tell you to fast for 100 days and the congregation follows!
Anyone up there can tell you to put on black robe on certain days and the congregation follows!
Apart from the various interpretation and misinterpretation of the Bible! There are Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians!

The text of the Bible can not be authenticated from the time of Moses till it was compiled as the Bible!

Jehovah witness is regarded as a cult. Likewise Cherubim & Celestial. Each Church having it's own doctrine which can/cannot be traced to the Bible.


[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Paul said:
I appeal to you . . . that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.(1 Corinthians 1:10)

That’s a nice thought, but has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Christianity is more than just Roman Catholics and Baptists and Methodists, Presbyterian, 7days Adventists, Anglican, Redeem and maybe a few more—there are now 45,000 denominations, and Christianity is fragmenting at a rate of two new denominations per day.

Has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Jesus said ask and you shall be given Mathew 7:7 but he asked but no answer!

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Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by ChristianNorth: 10:23am On Feb 29, 2020
AntiChristian:


Not only Zayd and the other companions as well as the Prophets and other Muslims!

Qur'an is the word of Allah!

Hadith is the traditions of the Prophet!

One of the reason why Christianity can never be united is the lose of the founding tradition!
Anyone up there can tell you to fast for 100 days and the congregation follows!
Anyone up there can tell you to put on black robe on certain days and the congregation follows!
Apart from the various interpretation and misinterpretation of the Bible! There are Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians!

The text of the Bible can not be authenticated from the time of Moses till it was compiled as the Bible!

Jehovah witness is regarded as a cult. Likewise Cherubim & Celestial. Each Church having it's own doctrine which can/cannot be traced to the Bible.


[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Paul said:
I appeal to you . . . that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.(1 Corinthians 1:10)

That’s a nice thought, but has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Christianity is more than just Roman Catholics and Baptists and Methodists, Presbyterian, 7days Adventists, Anglican, Redeem and maybe a few more—there are now 45,000 denominations, and Christianity is fragmenting at a rate of two new denominations per day.

Has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Jesus said ask and you shall be given Mathew 7:7 but he asked but no answer!

In Islam, allahu said his ummah will be divided into sects but only 1 sect will go to heaven.

The probability of you going to Islamic heaven as a Moslem is 0.013.

Like I said before, Koran is not complete if not there will be no need for a hadith.

We don't need a sunnah of Jesus or his companion because everything we need are in the scriptures
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 5:26pm On Feb 29, 2020
AntiChristian:


Not only Zayd and the other companions as well as the Prophets and other Muslims!

Qur'an is the word of Allah!

Hadith is the traditions of the Prophet!

One of the reason why Christianity can never be united is the lose of the founding tradition!
Anyone up there can tell you to fast for 100 days and the congregation follows!
Anyone up there can tell you to put on black robe on certain days and the congregation follows!
Apart from the various interpretation and misinterpretation of the Bible! There are Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians!

The text of the Bible can not be authenticated from the time of Moses till it was compiled as the Bible!

Jehovah witness is regarded as a cult. Likewise Cherubim & Celestial. Each Church having it's own doctrine which can/cannot be traced to the Bible.


[Jesus said,] I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one. . . . I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—I in them and you in me— so that they may be brought to complete unity. (John 17:20–23)

Paul said:
I appeal to you . . . that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.(1 Corinthians 1:10)

That’s a nice thought, but has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Christianity is more than just Roman Catholics and Baptists and Methodists, Presbyterian, 7days Adventists, Anglican, Redeem and maybe a few more—there are now 45,000 denominations, and Christianity is fragmenting at a rate of two new denominations per day.

Has any prayer failed more spectacularly? Jesus said ask and you shall be given Mathew 7:7 but he asked but no answer!

The the good thing is that various Christian denominations are not killing one another like Shia and Sunni are killing one another, like Iran and Saudi are sworn enemies.

Christians weren't assassinating one another for leadership role like your caliphas Umar, Uthman and Ali were eliminated.

In fact, immediately after Muhammad died, even before his burial kasala had busted among the Muslims, the trouble was so much that Muhammad was buried days after his death as against the tradition of burying the dead on the day they died.

Now back to Muhammad's words, Muhammad was reported to have said that Black cumin heal all sickness, please get black cumin to heal people with Corona virus.

Narrated By Abu Huraira
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death."
Sahih Bukhari 7:71:592
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by AntiChristian: 6:49am On Mar 01, 2020
advocatejare:

The the good thing is that various Christian denominations are not killing one another like Shia and Sunni are killing one another, like Iran and Saudi are sworn enemies.

Christians weren't assassinating one another for leadership role like your caliphas Umar, Uthman and Ali were eliminated.

In fact, immediately after Muhammad died, even before his burial kasala had busted among the Muslims, the trouble was so much that Muhammad was buried days after his death as against the tradition of burying the dead on the day they died.

Now back to Muhammad's words, Muhammad was reported to have said that Black cumin heal all sickness, please get black cumin to heal people with Corona virus.

Narrated By Abu Huraira
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death."
Sahih Bukhari 7:71:592

Foolish as usual!
Re: The Narration That Allah's Apostle Never Beat Anyone Is False by advocatejare(m): 8:24am On Mar 01, 2020
AntiChristian:


Foolish as usual!
grin you know how I get to know if I've strucked the right cord in you? It's when you start insulting rather than giving a logical response like you just did now.

I know you're very pained because of how we've been exposing your lies. It's prophecy being fulfilled.

Go and use Black cumin to cure all sicknesses like Muhammad instructed you na grin

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