Barristter07:

Through is not source , Source is FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ARE .

Jesus is not the source , did all things came from Jesus or the Father ?

Liarrrrrrrrrrr

How can a created being give life?.....can you give what u dnt have?

" Through him all things were made, and APART FROM HIM nothing was made that has been made. " ISV

freshboi88:


NLT: "The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone."

How can the Word give life...if he is not doesn't have life in him?...

U guys should be wise for ones nah

Go and PREACH what you know in your neighbourhood face to face!

That's the order from the initiator of this preaching and teaching work himself!

freshboi88:


NLT: "The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone."

How can the Word give life... if he is not doesn't have life in him?...

U guys should be wise for ones nah

You read where it says " through him "

A source was using him. And you still ask this nonsensical question ?? Through means someone gave him that power , Where is sense ?

freshboi88:


How can a created being give life?.....can you give what u dnt have?

Pay attention " through him " . meaning he can't do nothing by his own initiative . Someone from whom all things came ( Jesus included) was using him.

Barristter07:

" Through him all things were made, and APART FROM HIM nothing was made that has been made. " ISV

No nah!

Na him restore life to himself after three days! Act 3:15;5:30

" Jesus is the beginning OF creation " by God - freshboi88


Finished.

freshboi88:


1).
You have proven that u lack ability to understand.

In essence beginning can mean source of life, ruler of God creation and there are other verses that support this.

2).
You need to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal saviour

1)

Mark 13:19 debunks your fictitious claims.
Mark 13:19 and Revelation 3:14 uses the same expression: " The BEGINNING of the creation...."

The same expression,the same meaning.
The Bible writers were Jews, in their language, "the BEGINNING" means the first, firstborn , NOT the the FRAUD you're putting up here.

2).
No.
Jesus Christ says it's more than that.....

John 17:3. John 14:1. John 7:16.

These are the important things which makes you guys dumbfounded when JWs points it out from your Bible..

freshboi88:



Your case is like that of a muslim that says he can prove that Jesus is dead. Then he opens the scripture and turns to the portion that says "And Jesus died on the cross".

The his arguement goes like....He died abi e no die?...

Jesus died, Jesus died...he is dead. There is nothing u can tell me....look at it in the bible. It says Jesus died.

When someone now says oga read further....he says I don't care, he died that's my own. That's exactly what u r doing

Omo, which kan weed you they smoke na?
Kai, You are just too dumb and unintelligent. I wonder why those guys here are wasting their time with someone like you.
Respect those guys hundred times bcs you can never ever be in their league.
Get it into your empty skull, Jesus is never a God..he never at anytime during his earthly ministry claim equality with the Almighty God. Rather he prays to his father who is greater than him. If he was a God like you want to force everyone here to accept what is the meaning of John7:16?

Barristter07:


They do, its you and your types that didn't reason well, Revelation 3:14 is clear enough that Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation. For a certainty he was created .

At John 1:3 the Greek word charis is defined by Strong's

5565. chóris ►
Strong's Concordance
chóris: separately, separate from
Original Word: χωρίς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: chóris
Phonetic Spelling: (kho-rece')
Definition: separately, separate from
Usage: apart from, separately from; without.


https://biblehub.com/greek/5565.htm


The same Greek word also means Apart from him , which means John 1:3 isn't excluding Jesus from Creation but saying Apart from him ( who was directly created by God ) nothing else exist without Jesus.

Emphasis on " Apart from him " ( e.g NASB uses this )


A translator that chooses without at John 1:3 has already contradicted Rev 3:14 . that's satanic manipulation and desperate attempt to cover the loopholes of trinity teaching .

Good morning

Always cherish picking as usual...

That's how they will be rushing to Strong Greek or commentaries as if they wholly agree with it.

The same strong uses "BY ITSELF, BESIDE"

The scripture is so clear if God created Jesus then it means Jesus is the one who created Himself according to John 1:3 because the verse stated it clearly that "...apart from Him WAS NOT anything made that was made"

The center point is NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT CHRIST that's why the gospel of John 1 started with the same phrase of Genesis 1 "In the beginning God created heavens and earth" but Jehovah witness called GOD a liar by saying "in the beginning Jesus was first created before heavens and earth were created."

Antijw virus spotted!
Be careful!

Emusan:


Always cherish picking as usual...

That's how they will be rushing to Strong Greek or commentaries as if they wholly agree with it.

The same strong uses "BY ITSELF, BESIDE"

The scripture is so clear if God created Jesus then it means Jesus is the one who created Himself according to John 1:3 because the verse stated it clearly that "...apart from Him WAS NOT anything made that was made"

The center point is NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT CHRIST that's why the gospel of John 1 started with the same phrase of Genesis 1 "In the beginning God created heavens and earth" but Jehovah witness called GOD a liar by saying "in the beginning Jesus was first created before heavens and earth were created."

NyenwePHC:


Omo, which kan weed you they smoke na?
Kai, You are just too dumb and unintelligent. I wonder why those guys here are wasting their time with someone like you.
Respect those guys hundred times bcs you can never ever be in their league.
Get it into your empty skull, Jesus is never a God..he never at anytime during his earthly ministry claim equality with the Almighty God. Rather he prays to his father who is greater than him. If he was a God like you want to force everyone here to accept what is the meaning of John7:16?

All these things they will just walk away on a normal day even when their Church member disagree with them, saying "i don't like arguing the word of God".

But against Jehovah's Witnesses they will become emergency preachers and teachers, and start arguing profusely even when they're not making practical sense!

Maximus69:
Antijw virus spotted!
Be careful!

I didn't even know that there's Antijw I only know Antichrists which is what you and your brothers are doing here.....denying Jesus Christ!

Genesis 1 that says "In the BEGINNING God created heavens and earth" Isn't this evident that Jehovah witnesses are calling God a liar by saying "In the BEGINNING God created Jesus"?


I know as usual you'll shy away from my question

If you see revelation 3:14 now , you will start suffocating .

Emusan:


Always cherish picking as usual...

That's how they will be rushing to Strong Greek or commentaries as if they wholly agree with it.

The same strong uses "BY ITSELF, BESIDE"

The scripture is so clear if God created Jesus then it means Jesus is the one who created Himself according to John 1:3 because the verse stated it clearly that "... apart from Him WAS NOT anything made that was made"

The center point is NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT CHRIST that's why the gospel of John 1 started with the same phrase of Genesis 1 "In the beginning God created heavens and earth" but Jehovah witness called GOD a liar by saying "in the beginning Jesus was first created before heavens and earth were created."

Collins dictionary " You use apart from when you are making an exception to a general statement. "

Christ is an exception ... He was directly created by His Father ( Rev 3:14 )

Janosky:


1)

Mark 13:19 debunks your fictitious claims.
Mark 13:19 and Revelation 3:14 uses the same expression: " The BEGINNING of the creation...."

The same expression,the same meaning.
The Bible writers were Jews, in their language, "the BEGINNING" means the first, firstborn , NOT the the FRAUD you're putting up here.

2).
No.
Jesus Christ says it's more than that.....

John 17:3. John 14:1. John 7:16.

These are the important things which makes you guys dumbfounded when JWs points it out from your Bible..

Barristter07:
If you see revelation 3:14 now , you will start suffocating .

Collins dictionary " You use apart from when you are making an exception to a general statement. "

Christ is an exception ... He was directly created by His Father ( Rev 3:14 )

You know I know how to deal with people like you...

Before we continue, can you give us Collins Dictionary of that Rev 3:14 so that we can compare with your statement here!

If Rev 3:14 actually means Jesus is the BEGINNING OF GOD CREATION as you people claimed, didn't that contradict Genesis 1:1 that says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"?

Barristter07:
..yes the deluded freshboi88 said it , That source is synonymous with BEGINNING , since he accepted that, He should just come forward and tell us Jesus has a beginning already

The guy knows nothing about the topic . its obvious

Emusan:


You know I know how to deal with people like you...

Before we continue, can you give us Collins Dictionary of that Rev 3:14 so that we can compare with your statement here!

Yeah just like you end up saying Good people will raised two times , and that There are two judgement . Dundee

If Rev 3:14 actually means Jesus is the BEGINNING OF GOD CREATION as you people claimed, didn't that contradict Genesis 1:1 that says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"?

Where is your sense
Do heavens include the heavenly beings ?

NyenwePHC:


Omo, which kan weed you they smoke na?
Kai, You are just too dumb and unintelligent. I wonder why those guys here are wasting their time with someone like you.
Respect those guys hundred times bcs you can never ever be in their league.
Get it into your empty skull, Jesus is never a God..he never at anytime during his earthly ministry claim equality with the Almighty God. Rather he prays to his father who is greater than him. If he was a God like you want to force everyone here to accept what is the meaning of John7:16?

The funny thing is u guys just make noise and insult yet u have not made any sense. You say Jesus is created yet u cannot prove it.

3God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4[b]The Word gave life[/b] to everything that was created,

How can a created being give life?

freshboi88:



The funny thing is u guys just make noise and insult yet u have not made any sense. You say Jesus is created yet u cannot prove it.

3God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4[b]The Word gave life[/b] to everything that was created,

How can a created being give life?

I saw you saying Jesus is the beginning of creation and you are still blabbing . your case get comma o . someone even define beginning for you as first part of something. Na wa for una

Jozzy4:


The guy knows nothing about the topic . its obvious

Just look at someone who says he belongs to the only true religion. Insulting people up and down. Cannot make a point without insulting the other person by so doing trying to push his lies down the Persons throat.

It's obvious u do not have the Holy Spirit in you. If u r truly led by God Spirit u will not throw insults up and down. I pity pple who allow u enter their houses in d name of evangelism

Emusan:


You know I know how to deal with people like you...

Before we continue, can you give us Collins Dictionary of that Rev 3:14 so that we can compare with your statement here!

Is English this hard for you ? I show you the usage of Apart from .

If Rev 3:14 actually means Jesus is the BEGINNING OF GOD CREATION as you people claimed,

You people Claimed or as the Bible claimed ?

didn't that contradict Genesis 1:1 that says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"?

No contradiction.

freshboi88:


Just look at someone who says he belongs to the only true religion. Insulting people up and down. Cannot make a point without insulting the other person by so doing trying to push his lies down the Persons throat.

It's obvious u do not have the Holy Spirit in you. If u r truly led by God Spirit u will not throw insults up and down. I pity pple who allow u enter their houses in d name of evangelism

Calm down... At least you admit Jesus is the beginning of creation , that's enough point already.

Jozzy4:
[s]Yeah just like you end up saying Good people will raised two times , and that There are two judgement . Dundee [s]

I know you want to derail this thread but I won't give you that chance!

Where is your sense
Do heavens include the heavenly beings ?

So you mean heavens and earth were created before Jesus Christ.....


Waooooo let's see where this will end first!

Emusan:


I know you want to derail this thread but I won't give you that chance!

Only showing you ridiculous you can be.

So you mean heavens and earth were created before Jesus Christ.....


Waooooo let's see where this will end first!

Is Jesus Christ in the heavens ?

Barristter07:
Is English this hard for you ? I show you the usage of Apart from.

If you're not an hypocrite, then show us the usage of the word ARCHE translated as BEGINNING in Rev 3:14 according to COLLINS DICTIONARY...

Let's see your stand.

You people Claimed or as the Bible claimed ?

You people claimed because that's not what Bible claims.

No contradiction.

Then both heavens and earth and Jesus can't be created at the BEGINNING....

Which one was first created at the beginning?

Genesis 1 answered that, it was HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, it means you misinterpreted Rev 3:14

freshboi88:



The funny thing is u guys just make noise and insult yet u have not made any sense. You say Jesus is created yet u cannot prove it.

3God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4[b]The Word gave life[/b] to everything that was created,

How can a created being give life?

Omo just let them be! believe whatever you want to believe in afterall, they have given you a sound witness with relevant supporting references from Bible, rather than approaching it with open mindedness, you still keep going round without making COMMON sense. No doubt you are staunch CATHOLIC known for their Trinity doctrine in contrast to the truth about the Bible

Emusan:


I didn't even know that there's Antijw I only know Antichrists which is what you and your brothers are doing here.....denying Jesus Christ!

Genesis 1 that says "In the BEGINNING God created heavens and earth" Isn't this evident that Jehovah witnesses are calling God a liar by saying "In the BEGINNING God created Jesus"?


I know as usual you'll shy away from my question

Proverbs 8:22-30 compare to John 1:1-18

Jozzy4:
Only showing you ridiculous you can be.

Cry me a river....like I said I won't give you the avenue to derail this thread.

Is Jesus Christ in the heavens ?

The questions are:

1. Which one was created at the BEGINNING, heavens and earth or Jesus?

2. Is God lying for saying He created Heavens and the earth IN BEGINNING? according to Genesis 1:1

Lastly, you asked "is Jesus Christ in the heavens?"
A created being needs a SPACE TO OCCUPY

So where was Jesus after he was created?

Jozzy4:


I saw you saying Jesus is the beginning of creation and you are still blabbing . your case get comma o . someone even define beginning for you as first part of something. Na wa for una

U keep trying to win the argument and not learn. It is a shame u not open minded.

Beginning has more than 1 meaning, u think I can be easily fooled... Hahahaha.......I laugh at u.

According to the dictionary incase u cannot understand things:

Can u see that beginning also means


the background or origins of a person or organization. Which has a synonym of source and origin

At the end nobody can decide to give his or her own interpretation. But to know which interpretation is correct, that interpretation must be consistent across scripture.

Jehovah's witness interpretation contradicts John 1:3-4.

Maximus69:
Proverbs 8:22-30 compare to John 1:1-18

Genesis 1:1 says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

How can Jesus still be the first created BEING IN THE BEGINNING when the Bible tells us what God first created IN THE BEGINNING WERE heavens and the earth?

That's the question

NyenwePHC:


Omo just let them be! believe whatever you want to believe in afterall, they have given you a sound witness with relevant supporting references from Bible, rather than approaching it with open mindedness, you still keep going round without making COMMON sense. No doubt you are staunch CATHOLIC known for their Trinity doctrine in contrast to the truth about the Bible

Which supporting reference...can u name the references, contradictory references.

I have answers to your questions yet u guys cannot answer mine

John 1:4 4The Word gave life to everything that was created.

How can Jesus give life if he was created?..