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Re: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by DeepSight(m): 10:14pm On Jan 29, 2011
thehomer:

Like mazaje has said, lots of them are frauds.
Here are a couple of links to demonstrate what I mean. Besides, the fact that some police forces use them does not mean that they are accurate.

police_and_psychics
police_reject_psychic_advice
psychic_failures
history_of_failures_of_sylvia_browne

Then on YouTube:
Anderson_Cooper_Sylvia_Browne
Larry_King_Rosemary_Altea

This is on dowsing another famous psychic phenomenon.

Like I said, I maintain a degree of skepticism. If there was good enough evidence for such phenomenon, I would change my mind.
And, you need to keep in mind that you are making a positive claim here so the burden of proof is more on you to demonstrate the veracity of these claims.

^^^ There are frauds in every profession. That does not take away the fact that there are proper originals as well. If the Intelligence Agencies and Police departments had found ALL the psychics to be frauds, doubtless they would not still bother with any psychic, would they?

Those channels i mentioned are very scientific channels that churn out stuff researched by science professors in the best universities in the world. I do not know if you are able to boast of the level of education and research of some of the scientists studying these phenomena. But you know how silly sheep are. They glean an interesting endeavour such as science and ignorantly become more catholic than the Pope. Some of the things you deny here would not be denied by the most knowledgeble professors in the world. Simply because they are exposed to all sides of the facts. Both frauds and genuine instances. But then again, i spoke about peeps wanting to be more catholic than the pope. Just cos they know a little psuedo science. Ha, psuedo catholic.

If you believe they are all frauds, please write a memo to the CIA, KGB and M16 reprimanding them for their obstinate stupidity in continuing to employ and pay such frauds.

Frankly i believe you are ill-educated in this matter. A little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all. That is your problem. You look to the frauds and pointedly ignore the many legitimate cases abundantly available.Like I said, there are frauds in every vocation. If you are not aware of the application of psychic powers in criminal investigations and espionage, then you are simply pointedly ignorant.

I have nothing else to add.
Re: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by thehomer: 11:40pm On Jan 29, 2011
Deep Sight:

^^^ There are frauds in every profession. That does not take away the fact that there are proper originals as well. If the Intelligence Agencies and Police departments had found ALL the psychics to be frauds, doubtless they would not still bother with any psychic, would they?

Those channels i mentioned are very scientific channels that churn out stuff researched by science professors in the best universities in the world. I do not know if you are able to boast of the level of education and research of some of the scientists studying these phenomena. But you know how silly sheep are. They glean an interesting endeavour such as science and ignorantly become more catholic than the Pope. Some of the things you deny here would not be denied by the most knowledgeble professors in the world. Simply because they are exposed to all sides of the facts. Both frauds and genuine instances. But then again, i spoke about peeps wanting to be more catholic than the pope. Just cos they know a little psuedo science. Ha, psuedo catholic.

The appeal to mysterious authority you're making here does not reflect well. You would do well to name names and compare these to other experts in the relevant fields.


Deep Sight:

If you believe they are all frauds, please write a memo to the CIA, KGB and M16 reprimanding them for their obstinate stupidity in continuing to employ and pay such frauds.

Frankly i believe you are ill-educated in this matter. A little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all. That is your problem. You look to the frauds and pointedly ignore the many legitimate cases abundantly available.Like I said, there are frauds in every vocation. If you are not aware of the application of psychic powers in criminal investigations and espionage, then you are simply pointedly ignorant.

I have nothing else to add.

If I am indeed ignorant, then please educate me. You are simply asserting that these agencies do use psychics and what not yet Osama bin Laden is still at large, numerous cases are still unsolved?
Please. You should know that you need to do more than simply assert that these agencies use psychics. And, even if they did use psychics, this does not mean that these psychics are indeed right. This is an appeal to an improper authority or in this case, authorities. Those government agencies are not the best to evaluate those claims besides, I hope you do know the effect of ranks in such organizations.
Here's another example of the effect. Do you believe in astrology? Would the fact that a U.S. president consulted an astrologer make astrological predictions more accurate?
Come on.
Re: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by Nobody: 1:10am On Jan 30, 2011
Deep Sight:

^^^ There are frauds in every profession. That does not take away the fact that there are proper originals as well. If the Intelligence Agencies and Police departments had found ALL the psychics to be frauds, doubtless they would not still bother with any psychic, would they?

Those channels i mentioned are very scientific channels that churn out stuff researched by science professors in the best universities in the world. I do not know if you are able to boast of the level of education and research of some of the scientists studying these phenomena. But you know how silly sheep are. They glean an interesting endeavour such as science and ignorantly become more catholic than the Pope. Some of the things you deny here would not be denied by the most knowledgeble professors in the world. Simply because they are exposed to all sides of the facts. Both frauds and genuine instances. But then again, i spoke about peeps wanting to be more catholic than the pope. Just cos they know a little psuedo science. Ha, psuedo catholic.

If you believe they are all frauds, please write a memo to the CIA, KGB and M16 reprimanding them for their obstinate stupidity in continuing to employ and pay such frauds.

Frankly i believe you are ill-educated in this matter. A little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all. That is your problem. You look to the frauds and pointedly ignore the many legitimate cases abundantly available.Like I said, there are frauds in every vocation. If you are not aware of the application of psychic powers in criminal investigations and espionage, then you are simply pointedly ignorant.

I have nothing else to add.

The CIA abandoned that quackery in the nineties because it never worked and it doesn't make sense, just because you're just seeing it on TV doesn't  mean it's still practiced.

Any public official doing something that silly will be ridiculed. Most Americans are dumb, BUT they are smart enough to know Psychics are jokes.
Hell, cops know that a psychic's testimony would be hearsay, so it won't be admissible in the courts so why would they waste their time?

TV stations are all in it for the ratings and money so they'll show almost anything as long as the advertisement dollars roll in. An example is the History channel, they'll put on good shows about world war two or American history, then they'll show ridiculous alien shows or some dumb biblical apocalypse stuff. So they'll put on someone like Neil Degrasse Tyson then follow it up with some psycho like David Icke, that doesn't make Icke any more legit than what he is.

grin Reputable professors do not believe in psychics!!

Maybe you ought to go on YouTube and search "the first 48hrs" so you can see police detectives at work, it sure doesn't involve psychics.
Re: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by daylae(m): 11:12am On Jan 30, 2011
Well,i see all have taken another dimension. . . But talking about psychics practicing strange mental powers deviod of natural laws;the practice of spiritism,divination,crystal gazing,astrology,pamistry,necronancy- the calling of the dead. All these things can not be examined through natural laws and through scientific scrutiny. Ironically,we also have science pundits whose convictions align with these strange practices too.

One might say all these things are just some bogus practices,but i think people still patronise them because they are very much conviced about them.

We may not be able to prove by logic that the supernatural exist or not,untill one experience a personal encounter,cus there is no such thing as an impartial observer of the supernatural. To investigate it is to be part of it,just as sure as you cannot investigate life  without being a part of it.

There will be no end in our quest for answers,being the insatiably curious species that we are,exploring,looking around and trying to understand things. We're not ever going to get it solved. I can't imagine any terminal point where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say,"now we understand the who thing." It's going to remain beyond us. But,i know that all things are more that its physical attributes. Unfortunately,that is what we lay our emphasis on.
Re: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by chefremy(m): 3:18pm On May 25, 2013
religion is untouchable from scrutiny while science is vindictive through continous improvement.
Re: Science And Religion: The Unending Conflict. by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:11pm On May 25, 2013
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130523180318.htm


Dear Religion,


This week while you hacked a man to death on the streets of London, I discovered advanced biological computing.


Your truly, Science

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